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The “Debate” 6/27/2024

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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #135 on: June 30, 2024, 10:41:16 AM »
Quote from: No one is above the law on June 30, 2024, 07:30:26 AM

Now do Biden's spin on Charlottesville.


I could mock you back. It appears you have bought the right wing spin on Charlottesville. No amount of facts will change your mind.

You can muck it up all you want. The Unite the Right rally was organized by white nationalists. There was no moral equivalency between the 2 sides.

Who were these very fine people who joined a rally side by side with neo-nazis and the KKK? 

“Again, he didn't refer to Nazis as very fine people. He referred to the people protesting with the Nazis,” Tapper said. “And I don't know who are the good people there. Friday night was 'the Jews will not replace us.' Saturday, somebody was killed. At what point were there good people there?” -- Jake Tapper

"It is true, as the Snopes headline indicates, that Trump said that he was not talking about the white nationalists when offering praise for some of the participants in Unite the Right." -- WaPo article

Who were these good people on the right wing side? Did anyone except Trump see them?

"For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, and that therefore Trump's characterization was wrong." -- snopes

There weren't good people on both sides.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #136 on: June 30, 2024, 10:56:51 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on June 30, 2024, 10:26:51 AM
But the left says Trump lies about the exact # of illegals coming into our country. Does it really matter the #? Trump used a thing called hyperbole. Biden let them ALL walk right in. That’s what Trump meant and he was right, so how’s it a lie?! You just opened a can of worms being able to use your own interpretation of what the demented President “meant.” Now do that for Trump or let his supporters. Instead you only want it one way. Typical liberal, do as I say, not as I do…

I don't have that kind of influence. I am saying Biden was clearly out of it. He was trying to explain that the border patrol endorsed his bipartisan plan, and it came out wrong because he has a serious problem.

Now, Trump grossly exaggerates the number of undocumented immigrants, he is saying 18 million. He also claims without evidence that lots of them are mentally ill or criminals and they are committing lots and lots of violent and heinous crimes.

If you claim he really meant there 10 to 12 million, that most are seeking jobs and / or asylum, that the violent crimes are isolated cases, but Trump is mentally deranged and needs to consider stepping aside, I'll go along with that.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #137 on: June 30, 2024, 11:13:39 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 30, 2024, 10:56:51 AM
I don't have that kind of influence. I am saying Biden was clearly out of it. He was trying to explain that the border patrol endorsed his bipartisan plan, and it came out wrong because he has a serious problem.

Now, Trump grossly exaggerates the number of undocumented immigrants, he is saying 18 million. He also claims without evidence that lots of them are mentally ill or criminals and they are committing lots and lots of violent and heinous crimes.

If you claim he really meant there 10 to 12 million, that most are seeking jobs and / or asylum, that the violent crimes are isolated cases, but Trump is mentally deranged and needs to consider stepping aside, I'll go along with that.
Biden said they endorsed him, then Biden added that they supported his plan.
The 2 statements are separate issues.

In response, the Border Patrol said they have not and would not endorse him.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #138 on: June 30, 2024, 11:33:14 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 30, 2024, 10:41:16 AM
I could mock you back. It appears you have bought the right wing spin on Charlottesville. No amount of facts will change your mind.

You can muck it up all you want. The United the Right rally was organized by white nationalists. There was no moral equivalency between the 2 sides.

Who were these very fine people who joined a rally side by side with neo-nazis and the KKK? 

“Again, he didn't refer to Nazis as very fine people. He referred to the people protesting with the Nazis,” Tapper said. “And I don't know who are the good people there. Friday night was 'the Jews will not replace us.' Saturday, somebody was killed. At what point were there good people there?” -- Jake Tapper

"It is true, as the Snopes headline indicates, that Trump said that he was not talking about the white nationalists when offering praise for some of the participants in Unite the Right." -- WaPo article

Who were these good people on the right wing side? Did anyone except Trump see them?

"For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, and that therefore Trump's characterization was wrong." -- snopes

There weren't good people on both sides.
As I said, you may want to direct your concerns at the media if they lead you to believe that there were no individuals present to simply protest the taking down of the statue.
Fast forward a few years and you were told that protests involving burning down city blocks and deaths of people were "mostly peaceful" protests.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #139 on: June 30, 2024, 12:50:30 PM »
Quote from: No one is above the law on June 30, 2024, 11:33:14 AM
As I said, you may want to direct your concerns at the media if they lead you to believe that there were no individuals present to simply protest the taking down of the statue.
Fast forward a few years and you were told that protests involving burning down city blocks and deaths of people were "mostly peaceful" protests.

Ouch!

“Mostly Republican Ray” has been convinced by left leaning MSM that “White Nationalists” and Donald Trump are at fault for everything they don’t like about America; that legalizing drugs and being soft on crime gets rid of the crime problem, that hordes of illegals streaming across our “borders” is fine and dandy, and that Joe Biden just had a little trouble communicating.

The Democrat party doesn’t need apologists right now, it needs people who are willing to hold their leaders accountable.

It appears Ray isn’t willing to hold anyone accountable unless their surname is Trump.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #140 on: June 30, 2024, 12:54:57 PM »
Yeah liberals wanna scream and shout about January 6th, but don’t wanna mention ANYTHING about all the riots, looting, and destruction caused for liberals in big cities like Portland, Milwaukee, etc… that was WAY worse than anything caused in January 6th. Where the fuck you at Ray?!
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #141 on: June 30, 2024, 01:20:06 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on June 30, 2024, 12:54:57 PM
Yeah liberals wanna scream and shout about January 6th, but don’t wanna mention ANYTHING about all the riots, looting, and destruction caused for liberals in big cities like Portland, Milwaukee, etc… that was WAY worse than anything caused in January 6th. Where the fuck you at Ray?!

Way worse than a violent attempted coup at the U.S. Capitol?
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #142 on: June 30, 2024, 01:35:09 PM »
Quote from: Hawk Tuah on June 30, 2024, 01:20:06 PM
Way worse than a violent attempted coup at the U.S. Capitol?

Yeah, sure, you can call it that 😂🙄
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #143 on: June 30, 2024, 02:22:33 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on June 30, 2024, 12:54:57 PM
Yeah liberals wanna scream and shout about January 6th, but don’t wanna mention ANYTHING about all the riots, looting, and destruction caused for liberals in big cities like Portland, Milwaukee, etc… that was WAY worse than anything caused in January 6th. Where the fuck you at Ray?!

Do you know anyone from Portland? Do you actually know what happened from all sides?

https://www.portland.gov/ipr/news/2022/4/12/lessons-learned-citys-response-protests-exposed-vulnerabilities-portlands-police

https://www.koin.com/news/protests/portland-protests-what-happened-in-2020-whats-next-in-2021/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/portland-protesters-bivens-rcna128596 

How would the right wing have reacted if the peaceful Trump supporters on Jan 6 had been attacked with heavy duty crowd control munitions?
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #144 on: June 30, 2024, 02:28:14 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 30, 2024, 02:22:33 PM
Do you know anyone from Portland? Do you actually know what happened from all sides?

https://www.portland.gov/ipr/news/2022/4/12/lessons-learned-citys-response-protests-exposed-vulnerabilities-portlands-police

https://www.koin.com/news/protests/portland-protests-what-happened-in-2020-whats-next-in-2021/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/portland-protesters-bivens-rcna128596 

How would the right wing have reacted if the peaceful Trump supporters on Jan 6 had been attacked with heavy duty crowd control munitions?

You literally will defend them no matter what, won’t you?! It’s mind blowing 🤯

Now do Milwaukee and all the other major cities that were being destroyed…
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #145 on: June 30, 2024, 02:36:09 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 30, 2024, 12:50:30 PM
Ouch!

“Mostly Republican Ray” has been convinced by left leaning MSM ... that Joe Biden just had a little trouble communicating.

Biden reminded me of a friend that went down hill with dementia really fast. He insisted he was fine and tried to drive ... 

That said, for most of the debate, Biden made no sense at all. I hope it was just a bad night.
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #146 on: June 30, 2024, 02:38:38 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on June 30, 2024, 02:28:14 PM
You literally will defend them no matter what, won’t you?! It’s mind blowing 🤯

Now do Milwaukee and all the other major cities that were being destroyed…

you need to get news from more than those alt right sources.

Who is them?
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #147 on: June 30, 2024, 02:43:44 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 28, 2024, 11:16:19 PM

Mollycoddling poor blacks, abortion fanatics, and the relatively insignificant LGBTQIA+ community with infirm or deeply unpopular candidates isn’t getting the job done in the suburbs and exurbs. Might be time for a little more nuanced strategy than “Trump is a mean tweeting fascist”

Mollycoddling poor whites, anti-abortion fanatics, and homophobes is a marginally better strategy?
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #148 on: June 30, 2024, 02:54:10 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 30, 2024, 12:50:30 PM
that legalizing drugs and being soft on crime gets rid of the crime problem

So you're against legalizing pot? Now I *know* you're an idiot
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Re: The “Debate” 6/27/2024
« Reply #149 on: June 30, 2024, 02:55:25 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on June 30, 2024, 12:54:57 PM
Yeah liberals wanna scream and shout about January 6th, but don’t wanna mention ANYTHING about all the riots, looting, and destruction caused for liberals in big cities like Portland, Milwaukee, etc… that was WAY worse than anything caused in January 6th. Where the fuck you at Ray?!

Did Biden offer to pardon any of those people? Say that anyone arrested for breaking the window of a Starbucks was a patriot being abused by the system?

Of course not. Biden can't pronounce the word "abused"!
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