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What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?

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What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« on: March 20, 2024, 01:33:24 PM »
What does it look like?
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2024, 01:50:57 PM »
8 wins+ would be pretty good

staying healthy all year too (impossible probably)
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2024, 01:53:29 PM »
I’d like to see him reign in some of the big play hunter / mistake compounding tendencies that have the potential to make things rough for him in the NFL.
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2024, 01:55:13 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 20, 2024, 01:50:57 PM
8 wins+ would be pretty good

staying healthy all year too (impossible probably)

The Bears were a couple of dropped passes away from winning 9 games this year. The roster is better.

Does 8 wins get Flus fired? What happens if Flus is fired?

Honestly, if they were changing quarterbacks, they should have changed head coaches.
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2024, 02:00:11 PM »
I think playing steady football and not being a turnover machine would be a “successful” rookie year.

I’m not saying they have to make the playoffs, but anything less than 9 wins is not at all successful IMO. Barring significant injuries. Nine wins and you have to be competitive in games against the division leaders.

If Caleb can look competent and make a couple plays when they are there to be made, I’d call that a good rookie year. I do expect the Bears to make or be on the cusp of the playoffs.
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2024, 02:02:40 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 20, 2024, 01:55:13 PM
The Bears were a couple of dropped passes away from winning 9 games this year. The roster is better.

Does 8 wins get Flus fired? What happens if Flus is fired?

Honestly, if they were changing quarterbacks, they should have changed head coaches.

I think 8 wins is reasonable with a rookie QB, not like the team is loaded

rookie QB's always struggle even great ones

"Peyton Manning had a passer rating of 71.2 with 3,739 yards, 26 touchdowns and 28 interceptions in 16 games in his rookie season in 1998."
"Patrick Mahomes had a passer rating of 76.4 with 284 yards and 1 interception in 1 game in his rookie season in 2017."
"John Elway had a passer rating of 54.9 with 1,663 yards, 7 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in 11 games in his rookie season in 1983."
"Tom Brady had a passer rating of 42.4 with 6 yards in 1 game in his rookie season in 2000."
"Steve Young had a passer rating of 56.9 with 935 yards, 3 touchdowns and 8 interceptions in 5 games in his rookie season in 1985."
"Joe Montana had a passer rating of 81.1 with 96 yards and 1 touchdown in 16 games in his rookie season in 1979."
"Aaron Rodgers had a passer rating of 39.8 with 65 yards and 1 interception in 3 games in his rookie season in 2005."
"Brett Favre had a passer rating of 0.0 with 2 interceptions in 2 games in his rookie season in 1991"

pretty much the only all pro QBs that had great rookie seasons were Dan Marino and Andrew Luck
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2024, 02:11:17 PM »
8 wins would be a poor season with this roster.

No one is saying he has to put up huge numbers.

I like how you’ve set the bar super low. Lol
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2024, 02:20:18 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 20, 2024, 01:55:13 PM
The Bears were a couple of dropped passes away from winning 9 games this year. The roster is better.

Does 8 wins get Flus fired? What happens if Flus is fired?

Honestly, if they were changing quarterbacks, they should have changed head coaches.

Honestly, now that I think about it, it’s kind of irritating Flus got another year and Justin didn’t. Their fares should have been tied together. Flus had a similar year to Justin.
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2024, 02:22:34 PM »
Coming off of a record setting season the Bears were rewarded with an easy schedule last year. Fields got 5 wins. Does he get 2 more wins if Bagent doesn't get them ? Nobody will ever know.
If I'm not mistaken, the projected win total was 7-8 with one of the league's easier schedules.
Fields got 5. If he doesn't suck in the 4th quarter, maybe he gets more.
Hang a banner.

The eye test will tell with respect to Williams but the schedule should be more difficult than this past season.
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2024, 02:50:13 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 20, 2024, 02:11:17 PM
8 wins would be a poor season with this roster.

No one is saying he has to put up huge numbers.

I like how you’ve set the bar super low. Lol

I'm not setting any bars low, I just think its a realistic expectation for the bears next year.  Don't forget the division is much better than it used to be top to bottom.
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2024, 03:04:35 PM »
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2024, 03:11:23 PM »
Quote from: No one on March 20, 2024, 02:22:34 PM
Coming off of a record setting season the Bears were rewarded with an easy schedule last year. Fields got 5 wins. Does he get 2 more wins if Bagent doesn't get them ? Nobody will ever know.
If I'm not mistaken, the projected win total was 7-8 with one of the league's easier schedules.
Fields got 5. If he doesn't suck in the 4th quarter, maybe he gets more.
Hang a banner.

The eye test will tell with respect to Williams but the schedule should be more difficult than this past season.

There’s no reason to think Field doesn’t go 2-2 during his missed games at a minimum. Bagent beat a Raiders team that fired their coach the next week and was playing a washed up never that good anyway veteran who hadn’t played in like 3 years. He beat the worst team in the league by 3 points in a home game.
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2024, 03:13:17 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 20, 2024, 02:50:13 PM
I'm not setting any bars low, I just think its a realistic expectation for the bears next year.  Don't forget the division is much better than it used to be top to bottom.

It’s going to be very similar to the division they were in this year. The Bears could easily be the most improved team.
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2024, 03:15:59 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on March 20, 2024, 03:04:35 PM
Doing this…

https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1770521389461635360?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ

I saw Fields do that in a cold weather game with actual defenders (really good ones). Unfortunately, Robert Tonyan dropped it and they lost by 3.
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Re: What is a “successful” rookie season for Caleb Williams?
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2024, 03:23:31 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 20, 2024, 03:15:59 PM
I saw Fields do that in a cold weather game with actual defenders (really good ones). Unfortunately, Robert Tonyan dropped it and they lost by 3.

Well damn. I’m sure that’s why he’s a backup now that nobody wanted to pursue…
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