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Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #135 on: May 17, 2024, 11:59:19 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on May 17, 2024, 11:54:15 AM
August 26: Morris allegedly sexually assaulted a woman at the JayHawk Cafe by grabbing her vagina. Later the same day, he allegedly raped the same victim.

Morris was charged Sept 9, but the case was dismissed w/o prejudice Apr 9, 2024

Sept 8: Shannon allegedly digitally raped a woman from behind while she was standing against a wall at JayHawk Cafe. The accuser apparently assumed the perp was the man standing to her her left. She later used the Internet to identify him as Shannon.
 
Morris was present in the  JayHawk Cafe that night.

Certainly sounds like an avenue to investigate under these circumstances. Especially since she allegedly had unidentifiable male DNA in her undies, per the report.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #136 on: May 17, 2024, 12:01:57 PM »
Quote from: Custard on May 17, 2024, 11:56:48 AM
But that lady on Loyalty who is married to a black man says they don’t look anything alike.

Doesn't wonky have that avatar of the generic dude that people always claim to see in their dreams or some stuff like that?
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #137 on: May 17, 2024, 12:03:31 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on May 17, 2024, 11:57:53 AM
She doesn’t even know who did it. Yeah, I’d say that’s a pretty big deal when she blames someone…

You called her a slut and a crack whore and were convinced she made the whole thing up like one week ago.  You've said multiple times that this woman, who you now seem to think was actually the victim of a sexual assault, should go to jail and be sued for making it all up.  Really gross, awful behavior (and obviously you are not alone).

I wish that someday you'd self-reflect on that, maybe try to be better next time.  But I think we both know that is not going to happen.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #138 on: May 17, 2024, 12:04:47 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on May 17, 2024, 11:59:04 AM
Blame anybody even if they did it or not and ruin their life! Just not her or hers! 😂 get the fuck outta here!

You've so thoroughly shown your ass about this.  You look like an absolute abject moron, and an awful person.  Nothing anybody who'd interacted with you before didn't already know, obviously, but man have your wild narrative shifts made you look like a total jackass here.

You called her a crack whore.  You said she should be put in jail and sued.  Now you think she was the victim of a sexual assault, but see no need for self reflection.

An awful, awful person.  I sincerely hope no one you ever love is sexually assaulted and then attacked personally.  No one deserves that.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #139 on: May 17, 2024, 12:06:24 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 17, 2024, 11:34:43 AM
Have we shifted from "she's a slut and a liar who made it all up and they should throw her in jail" to "she's a victim of a sexual assault but she accused the wrong guy"?

Either / or both.

It's also possible Shannon ignored her advances and she is out for revenge.

It slso sounds like her identification is weak.

There seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt from where I sit.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #140 on: May 17, 2024, 12:16:14 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 17, 2024, 12:03:31 PM
You called her a slut and a crack whore and were convinced she made the whole thing up like one week ago.  You've said multiple times that this woman, who you now seem to think was actually the victim of a sexual assault, should go to jail and be sued for making it all up.  Really gross, awful behavior (and obviously you are not alone).

I wish that someday you'd self-reflect on that, maybe try to be better next time.  But I think we both know that is not going to happen.

I do not read it as Judge Judy believing she is a victim of sexual assault. I read it as his saying she cannot identify the person who she claims assaulted her.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #141 on: May 17, 2024, 12:18:09 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on May 17, 2024, 12:06:24 PM
Either / or both.

It's also possible Shannon ignored her advances and she is out for revenge.

It slso sounds like her identification is weak.

There seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt from where I sit.

Looks like they will all get their day in court. Cross examination and the defense case looks like it can have a lot to work with.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #142 on: May 17, 2024, 12:19:23 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 17, 2024, 12:04:47 PM
You've so thoroughly shown your ass about this.  You look like an absolute abject moron, and an awful person.  Nothing anybody who'd interacted with you before didn't already know, obviously, but man have your wild narrative shifts made you look like a total jackass here.

You called her a crack whore.  You said she should be put in jail and sued.  Now you think she was the victim of a sexual assault, but see no need for self reflection.

An awful, awful person.  I sincerely hope no one you ever love is sexually assaulted and then attacked personally.  No one deserves that.

On the flip side, hopefully no one you ever lose is falsely accused of sexual assault and then attacked personally. It works both ways, Spark.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #143 on: May 17, 2024, 12:19:38 PM »
I certainly haven’t seen any evidence that would lead me to vote to convict.  Of course like everyone else here I’ve seen extremely little of the evidence.  That evidence might exist, or it very very well might not.

Thats obviously an extremely different discussion.  I’ve never proclaimed that TSJ was guilty, that’s for sure - but others here have proclaimed that he’s definitely innocent, and that she’s definitely a lying crack whore who made it up to extort him.  Those people obviously have not come off very well.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #144 on: May 17, 2024, 12:21:27 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 17, 2024, 12:19:38 PM
I certainly haven’t seen any evidence that would lead me to vote to convict.  Of course like everyone else here I’ve seen extremely little of the evidence.  That evidence might exist, or it very very well might not.

Thats obviously an extremely different discussion.  I’ve never proclaimed that TSJ was guilty, that’s for sure - but others here have proclaimed that he’s definitely innocent, and that she’s definitely a lying crack whore who made it up to extort him.  Those people obviously have not come off very well.

True, but you did say he should not play because he was accused of a crime.

We shall see who comes over well and who does not. Odds are, everyone loses here.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #145 on: May 17, 2024, 12:22:25 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 17, 2024, 12:19:23 PM
On the flip side, hopefully no one you ever lose is falsely accused of sexual assault and then attacked personally. It works both ways, Spark.

I have never attacked TSJ or proclaimed that he’s guilty.  I have no idea and no way to know.  Obviously I hope he is innocent.

On the other hand, the accuser has been called all kinds of names, attacked personally, people have said she should go to jail.

So no, this one only goes one way.  I did not make an ass out of myself insisting he was guilty, changing my story weekly, attacking him personally, etc.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #146 on: May 17, 2024, 12:26:33 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 17, 2024, 12:21:27 PM
True, but you did say he should not play because he was accused of a crime.

We shall see who comes over well and who does not. Odds are, everyone loses here.

Yes, I think the athletic department - not a judge - should be able to choose who represents their program.  That was literally never even remotely controversial, not even a little, until it affected our best basketball player.  If a guy on our team is arrested for murder I think the AD should be able to suspend him from the team.


As we’ve seen here, the people who have consistently insisted they know the truth despite objectively having no way to know are the ones who are going to (and already do) look terrible.

Theres not really a way the people who have been saying “we don’t have nearly enough information to know, the evidence is totally opaque to us, don’t rush to judgment because of the basketball team he plays for, don’t attack the accuser who you know nothing about” are going to come out of this looking bad.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #147 on: May 17, 2024, 12:26:56 PM »
Quote from: Custard on May 17, 2024, 11:56:48 AM
But that lady on Loyalty who is married to a black man says they don’t look anything alike.

It sounds like she was not actually looking at the perp when she was allegedly digitally raped. She figured it was the man standing to her left. Ponder that.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #148 on: May 17, 2024, 12:28:09 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 17, 2024, 12:19:23 PM
On the flip side, hopefully no one you ever lose is falsely accused of sexual assault and then attacked personally. It works both ways, Spark.

How dare you tell Righteous Spark this!
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #149 on: May 17, 2024, 12:29:38 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 17, 2024, 12:22:25 PM
I have never attacked TSJ or proclaimed that he’s guilty.  I have no idea and no way to know.  Obviously I hope he is innocent.

On the other hand, the accuser has been called all kinds of names, attacked personally, people have said she should go to jail.

So no, this one only goes one way.  I did not make an ass out of myself insisting he was innocent, changing my story weekly, attacking him personally, etc.

She’s calling him a rapist! He’s been called all kinds of names, etc… and she doesn’t even know if it’s him! Yes, I’d say that’s a problem!
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