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Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

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Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #105 on: May 03, 2024, 11:49:28 PM »
I never defended anybody in the Brian Carwell incident.

Did you accept the approved Internet version that Jamar left Carlwell for dead at the scene of the accident and drove to Chester's apartment?

Some are struggling with with the Shannon case. They have to reconcile beliefs that Shannon is innocent and the 18 year old accuser didn't lie.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #106 on: May 04, 2024, 06:45:54 AM »
If he has/had to lose schooling or his job through the process, she should too (barring she even has one).

If she can destroy his character with accusations (whether true or not) he should be able to do the same to her through the process.
She isn't the one who did anything to him. It's the State of Kansas, if anyone.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #107 on: May 04, 2024, 06:54:11 AM »
Judge Judy, you have to understand that Due Process means zilch to people like Tempo and Spark.
This literally is due process playing itself out.

I don't like that prosecutors can ruin your life on whims and crap evidence, but it's the reality.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #108 on: May 04, 2024, 07:39:34 AM »
This Motion is not necessarily good for TSJ in that it tells me the state has an expert who intends on testifying that there was male DNA on her underwear that they couldn't rule out as being TSJ, although the motion should be granted if what his attorneys say is true about the thresholds.

I hate to tell you this about the "five other guys" part but it's presumably inadmissible even if it means what you think (it doesn't - see below). It's a thorny issue in evidence law because it's baseline legally relevant but of minimal weight to a rational person. So most states passed statutes to exclude the evidence for exactly the reasons we've seen in this thread. That includes Kansas (which says you're not supposed to file it publicly although this is with a Daubert motion rather than an in limine motion):

https://kslegislature.org/li_2012/b2011_12/statute/021_000_0000_chapter/021_055_0000_article/021_055_0002_section/021_055_0002_k/

And fuck Ked Prince for posting those excerpts only. You can access the whole motion here:

https://www.wcia.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/44/2024/05/DG-2023-CR-300181-Terrance-Shannons-Motion-for-Daubert-Hearing-and-to-Exclude-Expert-Testimony.pdf

As to the "five other guys" part the report itself debunks that idea rather clearly:

"The level of DNA detected could be from virtually anything - including but not limited to the
gloves of the SANE nurse, the swabs themselves, the swab boxes, the gloves of the analyst at
the KBI, the cutting tool used by the analyst, any tweezers or forceps used by the analyst, or
any of the tubes/wells used during the extraction process. This level of DNA could also be
from several different forms of transfer - primary, secondary and tertiary transfer events could
all explain a transfer of these levels of DNA...

Primary, secondary and tertiary transfer are all possibilities given that the complaining witness
was in a crowded bar and in close contact with several individuals throughout the night. DNA
could have been inadvertently transferred to her body through her own hands, from a male(s)
coughing, sneezing, or even talking around her depending upon which parts of her body were
exposed."

Let us not be so droolingly eager to slut-shame that we don't read the fine print.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #109 on: May 04, 2024, 11:51:18 AM »
This literally is due process playing itself out.

I don't like that prosecutors can ruin your life on whims and crap evidence, but it's the reality.

Due Process certainly played out after he sued Illinois
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

Tempo: "PAMan is a pot stirrer and agent provocateur"

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #110 on: May 04, 2024, 11:54:47 AM »
This Motion is not necessarily good for TSJ in that it tells me the state has an expert who intends on testifying that there was male DNA on her underwear that they couldn't rule out as being TSJ, although the motion should be granted if what his attorneys say is true about the thresholds.

I hate to tell you this about the "five other guys" part but it's presumably inadmissible even if it means what you think (it doesn't - see below). It's a thorny issue in evidence law because it's baseline legally relevant but of minimal weight to a rational person. So most states passed statutes to exclude the evidence for exactly the reasons we've seen in this thread. That includes Kansas (which says you're not supposed to file it publicly although this is with a Daubert motion rather than an in limine motion):

https://kslegislature.org/li_2012/b2011_12/statute/021_000_0000_chapter/021_055_0000_article/021_055_0002_section/021_055_0002_k/

And fuck Ked Prince for posting those excerpts only. You can access the whole motion here:

https://www.wcia.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/44/2024/05/DG-2023-CR-300181-Terrance-Shannons-Motion-for-Daubert-Hearing-and-to-Exclude-Expert-Testimony.pdf

As to the "five other guys" part the report itself debunks that idea rather clearly:

"The level of DNA detected could be from virtually anything - including but not limited to the
gloves of the SANE nurse, the swabs themselves, the swab boxes, the gloves of the analyst at
the KBI, the cutting tool used by the analyst, any tweezers or forceps used by the analyst, or
any of the tubes/wells used during the extraction process. This level of DNA could also be
from several different forms of transfer - primary, secondary and tertiary transfer events could
all explain a transfer of these levels of DNA...

Primary, secondary and tertiary transfer are all possibilities given that the complaining witness
was in a crowded bar and in close contact with several individuals throughout the night. DNA
could have been inadvertently transferred to her body through her own hands, from a male(s)
coughing, sneezing, or even talking around her depending upon which parts of her body were
exposed."

Let us not be so droolingly eager to slut-shame that we don't read the fine print.

We shall see if the judge deems it relevant for purposes of the motion at hand.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #111 on: May 10, 2024, 11:52:08 AM »
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #112 on: May 10, 2024, 01:37:51 PM »
It's going to trial. Damn it.

https://twitter.com/JakeBedellTV/status/1788967348390539629

Her word versus his. Will see what other witnesses there are.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #113 on: May 10, 2024, 03:39:19 PM »
Of course it's still going to trial? The only hope was and remains the prosecution voluntarily dismissing.

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Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #115 on: May 16, 2024, 04:32:09 PM »
The prosecution admits to having exculpatory evidence, but refuses to share it with the defense?
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #116 on: May 16, 2024, 05:28:28 PM »
It was Arterio Morris.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #117 on: May 16, 2024, 05:35:10 PM »
It was Arterio Morris.

Now that would be something.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #118 on: May 16, 2024, 05:35:45 PM »
The prosecution admits to having exculpatory evidence, but refuses to share it with the defense?

Possibly exculpatory.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #119 on: May 16, 2024, 06:55:44 PM »
This is certainly interesting....

https://twitter.com/mitchgilfillan/status/1791206240942522792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Illini homerism but with legal analysis.

If she really was looking straight ahead, should have a directed verdict granted. But hearsay about the speculated acts of a third party in the same room ain't going to do much. Not a person on that reply thread would find that exculpatory if the victim were an Illinois fan and the defendant was a Michigan football player.