Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

illiniray

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #315 on: June 14, 2024, 06:06:44 PM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on June 14, 2024, 06:19:29 AM

Coleman Hawkins doxxing her after the trial (and her blaiming a guy based on the fact he was a basketball player) is Judge Judy's fault?

Something that always bothered me. She was out bar hopping after the KU football game. She knew they had played Illinois. So in an effort to identify her assailant, she goes on line and checks the Illini basketball roster?

Some of our fans were displeased, but Sutter destroyed her credibility.

She hated drinking, but had a fake ID and been at that JayHawk bar dozens of times? She refused a blood test for alcohol and drugs.

Another thing that stood out. The detective, Leitner(?) said he didn't bother to investigate because M. N. seemed sincere.

If the girls had been there a lot, perhaps they knew some bouncers and knew where the blind spots in security cameras were? Yes, that is a big reach.

Here story fit what is expected. She said she thought her assailant was motivated by power. She told a friend immediately afterwards.

The DA's close -- convict him because he is a star athlete -- was bizarre.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #316 on: June 14, 2024, 06:08:05 PM »

Quote from: illiniray on June 14, 2024, 04:12:26 PM

This case was very difficult for liberal / progressive Illini fans.

Women never lie about sexual assault.

But, black men age 18-25 don't get a fair shake

But, high profile athletes often aren't held accessible

The misidentification theory is perfect for them.

Why does that make anything "very difficult" or any of those things inconsistent? Misidentification by an eyewitness is probably the top reason people are wrongfully convicted and was literally something the defense argued, and it seems to make sense. It's not some conspiracy. It also implies that Arterio Morris or someone else SHOULD be investigated, so the midentification theory means the state's choice has absolved an actually guilty 18-25 year old black male.

Like, yeah, we have a theory that explains multiple things at once. That's...how fact finding works.

One can concede women occasionally lie about sexual assault for whatever reason, but if she did here, she's a poor liar so to get there requires misogyny at two levels: (a) that a woman you know nothing about would lie about something like that to many people including her friends immediately, and (b) that she's so epically bad at scheming she couldn't get a male college athlete to get his DNA on her anywhere. That's a really narrow Venn diagram of hypothetical Jezebels you've wishcast into existence.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #317 on: June 14, 2024, 06:47:51 PM »

I'm not sure it's all that complicated.

Why do I get the feeling that she said 'it was him.'
And they went on 'That's good enough for us. Do you have any questions ?'

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #318 on: June 14, 2024, 08:21:31 PM »

My sense of humor is on the dry side.

N.M. was so traumatized she and her best friend went bar hopping and returned to the JayHawk the very next night.

My initial thought was she tried to approach Shannon, he blew her off, and this might have been about rejection revenge.

Could have escalated into a shake down. Friend or friends could have been in on it or not.

I still the see the misidentification theory as perfect for those whose preconceptions made this an ethical dilemma. Or trilemma.

During the discussion at Loyalty, some insisted we had to defend Terrence without any hint of attacking the young woman. They were displeased parts of Sutter's closing.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #319 on: June 14, 2024, 08:28:26 PM »

Quote from: No one is above the law on June 14, 2024, 06:47:51 PM

I'm not sure it's all that complicated.

Why do I get the feeling that she said 'it was him.'
And they went on 'That's good enough for us. Do you have any questions ?'

The cops? They admitted it.

The DA? A little more subtle I think. They thought they could take down a high profile athlete with an eye witness and innuendo. They were out of their league against Shannon's defense team.

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Beach Bum

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #320 on: June 15, 2024, 06:29:15 AM »

Definitely not sending my daughters to KU. Not that I would. But this just opened up the ability for star athletes to do what they want with the ladies wherever, whenever. Or not.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #321 on: June 15, 2024, 01:55:22 PM »

If he takes the plea deal the DA's office can flaunt their efforts to bring justice for sexual assault survivors by charging an innocent man, but would that open TSJ to a civil suit ?

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #322 on: June 17, 2024, 01:09:17 PM »

LeBron voicing his praise for TSJ now after the trial is over....

Where was the "King's" voice before and by King I mean sarcastically.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/lebron-james-terrence-shannon-jr-comments-lakers-nba-draft/b0d45ae863d16508443a0018

If you are going to use your voice, think your voice should be heard, or think your voice is relevant, use it at all times, not just the best of times!!

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