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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1380 on: September 18, 2024, 09:51:17 AM »
I think scheme and coaching are a big part of the problem for the Bears. I’m not an expert, but it’s not hard to see these guys aren’t really on the same
page a lot of plays. If it looked like this in camp (probably didn’t because no one plays hard anymore until the regular season) they should have been playing in preseason games.

I’m struggling to understand why Shelton is so bad. I can’t imagine he’d start two years for McVay if he was always this bad. I believe they (the Rams) even re-signed him.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1381 on: September 18, 2024, 09:52:06 AM »
Quote from: Jack T. Ripper on September 18, 2024, 09:48:25 AM
Coaching absolutely matters, I can tell you that. Going from college to NFL is like having your bachelors and going straight to doctorate.

The speed of the game is what is different. There are only so many offenses you can run, only so many guys that need to be blocked. Sure, defenses are more complex and disguised, and coaching helps with that. But at the end of the day, Lucas Patrick didn't go from a piece of shit to the best center in the league from being coached in training camp.

I don't know what went on with those guys last year. Maybe they weren't coached particularly well, but they also would tell you that they have always known how to block, and how to process a defense.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1382 on: September 18, 2024, 09:53:21 AM »
Quote from: Jack T. Ripper on September 18, 2024, 09:51:17 AM
I think scheme and coaching are a big part of the problem for the Bears. I’m not an expert, but it’s not hard to see these guys aren’t really on the same
page a lot of plays. If it looked like this in camp (probably didn’t because no one plays hard anymore until the regular season) they should have been playing in preseason games.

I’m struggling to understand why Shelton is so bad. I can’t imagine he’d start two years for McVay if he was always this bad. I believe they (the Rams) even re-signed him.

Shelton is absolutely terrible. I don't understand it either, but he needs to get his shit together.
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« Reply #1383 on: September 18, 2024, 09:56:25 AM »
One thing Shelton did have with the Rams. Matt Stafford. He's seen some shit, and can identify pretty much every defense at this point. Caleb Williams isn't there. Justin Fields, obviously, wasn't there. Still isn't.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1384 on: September 18, 2024, 09:57:10 AM »
With that being said, that doesn't excuse how he is a turnstile in the middle.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1385 on: September 18, 2024, 10:09:43 AM »
Quote from: John Wayne Gacy on September 18, 2024, 09:52:06 AM
The speed of the game is what is different. There are only so many offenses you can run, only so many guys that need to be blocked. Sure, defenses are more complex and disguised, and coaching helps with that. But at the end of the day, Lucas Patrick didn't go from a piece of shit to the best center in the league from being coached in training camp.

I don't know what went on with those guys last year. Maybe they weren't coached particularly well, but they also would tell you that they have always known how to block, and how to process a defense.

He’s not playing center, he was switched to guard (maybe a reason for his good play). But I wouldn’t call him the best anything in the league at this time.

Yes, the speed of the game is a huge hurdle, but I think you overestimate how much some of these kids are being taught and absorb. Mitch didn’t even know what a hardcount was coming out of college and he was the 2nd player drafted.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1386 on: September 18, 2024, 10:11:14 AM »
Quote from: Jack T. Ripper on September 18, 2024, 10:09:43 AM
He’s not playing center, he was switched to guard (maybe a reason for his good play). But I wouldn’t call him the best anything in the league at this time.

Yes, the speed of the game is a huge hurdle, but I think you overestimate how much some of these kids are being taught and absorb. Mitch didn’t even know what a hardcount was coming out of college and he was the 2nd player drafted.

Well, Mitch was, and still is, a dumbass. Ryan Pace is even dumber for trading up for him.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1387 on: September 18, 2024, 10:13:54 AM »
Brett Favre admitted to not knowing what a nickel defense was until his 2nd year as a pro.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1388 on: September 18, 2024, 10:15:12 AM »
Not sure you are using the best examples here, Tempo.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1389 on: September 18, 2024, 10:20:53 AM »
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Not sure you are using the best examples here, Tempo.

No? First ballot HOF quarterback and 1st overall QB drafted are bad examples?
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1390 on: September 18, 2024, 10:30:55 AM »
Quote from: Jack T. Ripper on September 18, 2024, 10:20:53 AM
No? First ballot HOF quarterback and 1st overall QB drafted are bad examples?

Have either of them proven to be remotely intelligent?
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1391 on: September 18, 2024, 10:31:34 AM »
Quote from: Jack T. Ripper on September 18, 2024, 10:20:53 AM
No? First ballot HOF quarterback and 1st overall QB drafted are bad examples?

And your guy drafted that idiot Mitch.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1392 on: September 18, 2024, 10:40:37 AM »
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Have either of them proven to be remotely intelligent?

Do you think the NFL is loaded with future doctorate candidates? Ever heard Tyreek Hill speak?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1393 on: September 18, 2024, 10:42:04 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 18, 2024, 10:31:34 AM
And your guy drafted that idiot Mitch.

Pace? Pace was never “my guy.” I had serious doubts about that guy when he tried to bring in Ray MacDonald his first two months on the job.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1394 on: September 18, 2024, 10:51:49 AM »
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Do you think the NFL is loaded with future doctorate candidates? Ever heard Tyreek Hill speak?

I heard him eloquently complain about the local police.
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