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TSJ suspended charged with rape

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #615 on: January 24, 2024, 07:49:31 AM »
Apparently a DA in Kansas still has the ability to indict via a grand jury notwithstanding the filing of the complaint and scheduling of a preliminary hearing.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #616 on: January 24, 2024, 08:14:06 AM »
I would be curious to see how the Illini fandom reacts if Shannon plays for us the rest of the year and then pleads down to a misdemeanor sexual battery (which would result in him being dismissed from the team if he took it right now) after the season’s over.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #617 on: January 24, 2024, 08:26:01 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 24, 2024, 08:14:06 AM
I would be curious to see how the Illini fandom reacts if Shannon plays for us the rest of the year and then pleads down to a misdemeanor sexual battery (which would result in him being dismissed from the team if he took it right now) after the season’s over.

I think you know the answer and are already fantasizing about lambasting people online for their bad takes.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #618 on: January 24, 2024, 08:31:09 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 24, 2024, 08:26:01 AM
I think you know the answer and are already fantasizing about lambasting people online for their bad takes.

I sense it’s much like Tempo is gonna be if the Bears draft Caleb Williams and he struggles some…

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #619 on: January 24, 2024, 08:39:15 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 24, 2024, 08:26:01 AM
I think you know the answer and are already fantasizing about lambasting people online for their bad takes.

Despite your predictable handwringing about human decency - from what I can tell, the worst offense there is on this board - I don’t look forward to our fans showing their ass like that at all.  It’s embarrassing.  Mostly I hope the charges are just dropped because he’s innocent and it never comes to that at all.

Couldn’t let a post go by without bein’ a dipshit though, I get it.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #620 on: January 24, 2024, 09:14:14 AM »
To me, the self-righteous people trying to manage how the rest of the fanbase thinks and feels about this are almost as annoying as the ones who only care about the basketball eligibility aspect of TSJ’s situation. If that makes me an enemy of human decency, so be it.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #621 on: January 24, 2024, 09:20:22 AM »
I wonder how often innocent people accept a misdemeanor plea deal when mounting a felony defense may not be financially, or otherwise, feasible ?
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #622 on: January 24, 2024, 09:22:42 AM »
Quote from: Mn on January 24, 2024, 09:20:22 AM
I wonder how often innocent people accept a misdemeanor plea deal when mounting a felony defense may not be financially, or otherwise, feasible ?

It’d be interesting if Spark got accused of some bullshit charges and lost everything. See how he acts then and get back to us…
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #623 on: January 24, 2024, 09:24:51 AM »
“To me, the decent people upset that their fellow fans are being so shameless and gross are almost as bad as the shameless people themselves” is a pretty ugly take, but to be expected, obviously.  It’s how you react to similar arguments about politics as well.  Being an outspoken person wanting others to do the right thing is just as bad as being an outspoken person wanting others to do the wrong thing for personal gain.

It’s far more acceptable here to call someone a fucking retard faggot  and say you’ll physically hurt a trans person than to say hey maybe we should be decent people and not toss our values out the window for basketball, and you personally built that culture.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #624 on: January 24, 2024, 09:26:12 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 24, 2024, 09:22:42 AM
It’d be interesting if Spark got accused of some bullshit charges and lost everything. See how he acts then and get back to us…

I certainly wouldn’t expect any of the people here to defend me - after all, I don’t play for Illinois basketball so you don’t personally gain anything from it.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #625 on: January 24, 2024, 09:35:09 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 24, 2024, 09:26:12 AM
I certainly wouldn’t expect any of the people here to defend me - after all, I don’t play for Illinois basketball so you don’t personally gain anything from it.

Oh you wouldn’t go parading around preaching your innocence?! That poor victim! How dare you plead your innocence to people. I mean there’d be no reason to doubt her until trial, right?!
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #626 on: January 24, 2024, 09:39:20 AM »
Off to a good start today, I see.
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« Reply #627 on: January 24, 2024, 09:39:45 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 24, 2024, 09:35:09 AM
Oh you wouldn’t go parading around preaching your innocence?! That poor victim! How dare you plead your innocence to people. I mean there’d be no reason to doubt her until trial, right?!

Huh?  Of course I’d tell you I was innocent.  People profess to be innocent most times they’re charged with a crime (even often when they are guilty of it, believe it or not!)

You have nothing to personally gain from that though, so you wouldn’t give a shit.  Just like you didn’t give a shit about any of the previous times a team suspended a player before the legal process was complete.

I have never one time said or implied that he is guilty of the crime.  I have no idea if he is guilty - the evidence that his guilt or innocence hinges on simply isn’t available to me.  There could be no reason to doubt her, or there could be a ton of reason to doubt her.  Neither you nor I have any possible way to know that, but despite that one of us is completely sure about the facts of the case.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #628 on: January 24, 2024, 09:41:46 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 24, 2024, 08:14:06 AM
I would be curious to see how the Illini fandom reacts if Shannon plays for us the rest of the year and then pleads down to a misdemeanor sexual battery (which would result in him being dismissed from the team if he took it right now) after the season’s over.

If that happens maybe they will blame the university for not taking its own policies, processes, and procedures seriously enough to actually follow them?
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #629 on: January 24, 2024, 09:45:54 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 24, 2024, 09:39:45 AM
Huh?  Of course I’d tell you I was innocent.  People profess to be innocent most times they’re charged with a crime (even often when they are guilty of it, believe it or not!)

You have nothing to personally gain from that though, so you wouldn’t give a shit.  Just like you didn’t give a shit about any of the previous times a team suspended a player before the legal process was complete.

I have never one time said or implied that he is guilty of the crime.  I have no idea if he is guilty - the evidence that his guilt or innocence hinges on simply isn’t available to me.  There could be no reason to doubt her, or there could be a ton of reason to doubt her.  Neither you nor I have any possible way to know that, but despite that one of us is completely sure about the facts of the case.

Despite this, you do not believe he should be allowed to play. This despite the evidence that the university failed to undertake an investigation of the allegations, allow him access to any such evidence, and allow him the ability to defend himself.  Glad to see you are comfortable being the jury and executioner here despite your lack of knowledge of the underlying facts.
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