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TSJ suspended charged with rape

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #555 on: January 22, 2024, 10:43:47 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on January 21, 2024, 10:46:22 PM
He was dismissed by Florida after the arrest. Then got the felony charges dropped in a plea deal. Then enrolled at another school.

UAB was the landing spot.





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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #556 on: January 22, 2024, 12:21:54 PM »
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #557 on: January 22, 2024, 01:00:09 PM »
I obviously have made clear that I personally don’t feel super good about Shannon playing right now.

That said, I don’t buy Parrish’s argument at all.  He says “no federal judge is in charge of a college program’s rotation” - but until last week, no federal judge was in charge of our program’s roster either, and here we are.  Could Underwood have sat him and risked another lawsuit or being held in contempt of court?  Sure, I suppose so, but I get why we didn’t.

I found the judge’s ruling to be pretty shaky, but it doesn’t matter what I think about it - the judge says that holding him out from competition is illegally hurting his value.  To continue holding him out would almost certainly lead to a situation where the judge IS dictating the rotation.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #558 on: January 22, 2024, 01:15:27 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 22, 2024, 01:00:09 PM
I obviously have made clear that I personally don’t feel super good about Shannon playing right now.

That said, I don’t buy Parrish’s argument at all.  He says “no federal judge is in charge of a college program’s rotation” - but until last week, no federal judge was in charge of our program’s roster either, and here we are.  Could Underwood have sat him and risked another lawsuit or being held in contempt of court?  Sure, I suppose so, but I get why we didn’t.

I found the judge’s ruling to be pretty shaky, but it doesn’t matter what I think about it - the judge says that holding him out from competition is illegally hurting his value.  To continue holding him out would almost certainly lead to a situation where the judge IS dictating the rotation.

The only thing that is shaky here is that Illinois failed to follow the OSCR process that was supposed to run "parallel" with the DIA process (per Guenther Jr.'s reps in the presser, which were cited by the judge).

Custard and Mn may say Illinois was playing 4 D chess so TSJ would have an avenue to sue and the decision about him playing taken out of its hands.

If the OSCR process was followed, odds are he never would have suspended given the logistical difficulties in investigating a claim that happened in Kansas with a non-student.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #559 on: January 22, 2024, 01:35:52 PM »
"The KU players who were with Plaintiff that night were not interviewed until after criminal
charges were filed. (Id. at 5)."

From the TRO, which would appear to indicate that the grand jury was not given information from a person who was said to be standing next to, if I read the detective's affidavit correctly, TSJ.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #560 on: January 22, 2024, 01:58:51 PM »
Quote from: Mn on January 22, 2024, 01:35:52 PM
"The KU players who were with Plaintiff that night were not interviewed until after criminal
charges were filed. (Id. at 5)."

From the TRO, which would appear to indicate that the grand jury was not given information from a person who was said to be standing next to, if I read the detective's affidavit correctly, TSJ.

I did not think the Lawrence DA went before the grand jury, which is why there was a complaint filed and a preliminary hearing set to determine if there was sufficient evidence to proceed in the criminal matter.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #561 on: January 22, 2024, 03:06:40 PM »
There was no grand jury, there won't be, and no charges have even been filed. That would potentially happen at the preliminary hearing on the 23rd of Feb.

So far, a complaint was filed, an arrest warrant was issued, and TJ surrendered.

Despite not being a threat to anyone and not being a flight  risk, Shannon was required to post bail.

I would guess suspects with lesser means at their disposal rot in jail, giving the police and DA leverage to extract false confessions / make deals.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #562 on: January 22, 2024, 03:32:38 PM »
My mistake then, .......
but one would think the DA's office could find time to travel 1 1/2 miles to KU sometime within a period of 2+ months to interview the guy who is alleged to be standing next to TSJ.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #563 on: January 22, 2024, 03:50:28 PM »
Quote from: Mn on January 22, 2024, 03:32:38 PM
My mistake then, .......
but one would think the DA's office could find time to travel 1 1/2 miles to KU sometime within a period of 2+ months to interview the guy who is alleged to be standing next to TSJ.

The DA in Lawrence interviewed at least one KU basketball player on or about Jan 3. I believe it was the transfer from TT?
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #564 on: January 22, 2024, 03:52:45 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 22, 2024, 03:50:28 PM
The DA in Lawrence interviewed at least one KU basketball player on or about Jan 3. I believe it was the transfer from TT?
My mistake again. Lol
Close to 4 months to interview a guy 1 1/2 miles down the road.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #565 on: January 22, 2024, 04:05:37 PM »
Nm.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #566 on: January 22, 2024, 06:29:48 PM »
https://twitter.com/mitchgilfillan/status/1749574589582032933

The dude from the IlliniBoard podcast has the rundown on Kansas law on grand juries and preliminary hearings....
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #567 on: January 22, 2024, 09:05:07 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 22, 2024, 01:15:27 PM

If the OSCR process was followed, odds are he never would have suspended given the logistical difficulties in investigating a claim that happened in Kansas with a non-student.

No chance they put him on the floor after being arrested for rape before the OSCR process ended. And no chance they’d put him out there after it ended unless the case had been resolved. They couldn’t risk it in the court of public opinion without that TRO/injunction in place. No wonder you’re so mad at the university and the process if you believe it was all this simple.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #568 on: January 22, 2024, 09:33:17 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 22, 2024, 09:05:07 PM
No chance they put him on the floor after being arrested for rape before the OSCR process ended. And no chance they’d put him out there after it ended unless the case had been resolved. They couldn’t risk it in the court of public opinion without that TRO/injunction in place. No wonder you’re so mad at the university and the process if you believe it was all this simple.

Then they would have the same result as now.

I am not sure they would punish him without an actual finding.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #569 on: January 22, 2024, 11:30:43 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 22, 2024, 09:05:07 PM
No chance they put him on the floor after being arrested for rape before the OSCR process ended. And no chance they’d put him out there after it ended unless the case had been resolved. They couldn’t risk it in the court of public opinion without that TRO/injunction in place. No wonder you’re so mad at the university and the process if you believe it was all this simple.

If the OSCR process was proceeding, it would have been mentioned in the opinion. The opinion stated that TSJ was only notified on 1/5 that an OSCR investigation had started.  Not quite running parallel with the DIA process as Guenther Jr. falsely represented in his press conference you and others were so enamored with. So they waited to even start it,  violated this kid's rights,  made him retain additional counsel, got sued, and got their asses kicked.

I'm not mad. It really doesn't matter to me if he plays or not. I'm just noting how incompetent these idiots are, and how Guenther Jr.
flat out lied in that press conference (about a ton of things) and you saps ate it up.

You think these idiots are playing 4 D Chess. They aren't.
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