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TSJ suspended charged with rape

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #360 on: January 12, 2024, 03:12:34 PM »
There's nothing in the university's response that wouldn't be expected.
I don't fault TSJ for requesting a TRO nor is there anything in the response that is not expected.
It's a legal matter that will get sorted out. Unfortunately, TSJ has most likely seen the last of his time on the floor in an Illini uniform and the issues won't be resolved until after the draft.

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #361 on: January 12, 2024, 08:05:11 PM »
To rehash the title 9 issue, spark eloquently argued against its application.

in this case, TSJ is, of course, the accused offender, not the alleged victim.

Now why would his lawyers bring it up? Because:

"Had Illinois applied Title IX, it could not suspend TJ from the Team unless and until Illinois’ Title IX coordinator “undertakes an individualized safety and risk analysis, [and] determines that an immediate threat to the physical health or safety of any student or other individual arising from the allegations of sexual harassment justifies removal, and provides the respondent with notice and an opportunity to challenge the decision immediately following the removal” (“Title IX Risk Analysis”). 34 CFR §106.44(c)"

Next, upon what basis would Title IX even apply? It was off campus, and the alleged victim is not a UI student.

TSJ's lawyers are using the substantial control test and cited precedents.

"The alleged conduct took place in an “education program or activity” of Illinois’ because Illinois exercised substantial control over both TJ and the alleged context in which the alleged incident occurred. See, 34 CFR §106.44(a)"
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #362 on: January 14, 2024, 07:47:25 PM »
Ked talked with Loren et al on that saturday morning dws radio show.

It was Ked, but he had 3 interesting comments.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5rB3t9AdQnUXeRRbhj6egJ

He said TJ doesn't know who the accuser is. No idea at all. Denies having any sort of interaction with any such woman.

TJ voluntarily gave a DNA swab before charges were filed. The way Ked worded it implied there may have been trace DNA from the accuser, but not TJ's. He said something like "negative for TJ's DNA."  If there's no DNA, the charges must go away?

He said TJ has a number of witnesses on his behalf who were there that still have not been interviewed.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2024, 07:49:23 PM by illiniray »
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« Reply #363 on: January 14, 2024, 07:53:56 PM »
Oh boy, Spark’s righteous ass is gonna flip out on here! How dare you!
Because FOX News told me so…

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #364 on: January 14, 2024, 08:15:35 PM »
"Kansas Senate Bill 180 goes into effect on July 1, 2023.....
....Let me be clear, my office’s prosecutorial resources will not be used to prosecute anyone under SB 180."
https://www.douglascountyks.org/district-attorney/news/2023/06/09/district-attorney-suzanne-valdezs-statement-kansas-senate-bill

This is always encouraging.

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #365 on: January 14, 2024, 09:50:57 PM »
Ked talked with Loren et al on that saturday morning dws radio show.

It was Ked, but he had 3 interesting comments.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5rB3t9AdQnUXeRRbhj6egJ

He said TJ doesn't know who the accuser is. No idea at all. Denies having any sort of interaction with any such woman.

TJ voluntarily gave a DNA swab before charges were filed. The way Ked worded it implied there may have been trace DNA from the accuser, but not TJ's. He said something like "negative for TJ's DNA."  If there's no DNA, the charges must go away?

He said TJ has a number of witnesses on his behalf who were there that still have not been interviewed.


Glad that is all cleared up.


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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #366 on: January 14, 2024, 10:00:40 PM »

Glad that is all cleared up.

Very funny. Nothing is cleared up. It was Kedrick Prince talking with Loren Tate.

Still, the dna part was especially interesting. If what Ked implied is true, men have been cleared based on that kind of evidence.

oh, and Tate is actually sharp for 92.

He kept harping on the there's no right to play basketball concept.

My take: If the courts were still ruling that way, the transfer eligibility rules would be upheld.

I can't really wrap my head around it. The main argument relating to title
9 blew right past Tate. The issue is whether it even applies. That is a gray area

The rest is above my pay grade.

Maybe there is no right to play ball, but TJ has earned the privilege to play at a high level. If the rest of this season and all that implies is taken away, it can't be restored. If he plays, the worst that happens to UIUC is some transient embarrassment.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #367 on: January 14, 2024, 10:21:15 PM »
Very funny. Nothing is cleared up. It was Kedrick Prince talking with Loren Tate.

Still, the dna part was especially interesting. If what Ked implied is true, men have been cleared based on that kind of evidence.


Soooooo basically here is what Ked is claiming:

He was in a bar.
She was in a bar.
Hundreds of people were in the bar.

She claimed the next day to police he sexually assaulted her.
(She had allegedly told her friend that night).

Nothing on camera showing them together.
No witnesses of the allegations.
No evidence of the allegations.
He never actually saw her or talked to her in his life per TSj.

After three months of review of absolutely zero evidence, or anyone that indicated he did what was claimed; and based solely on her word after she later allegedly looked at some pictures of athletes online - the DA says let's charge him with criminal felony sexual assault.

I wish the best for TSj. I hope this all turns out OK for him in the long run.
I don't think anyone knows at this point exactly the specifics of why he was charged and whether those charges will hold up in court.
Whatever they have has to ultimately meet the legal standards of the state law for a conviction. They apparently think it does for whatever reasons.
According to some armchair analysts her accusation alone can be viable. I have no idea what that entails to alone be seen as credible.

As for the separate lawsuit, that is an entirely different process.

On both matters I really don't know what might happen. It is all really hard to believe it is happening and I am sure TSj is devastated.

I have been impressed as to how the staff and team has responded and today aside, they have stepped up beyond anyone's expecatations.




 


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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #368 on: January 15, 2024, 09:24:46 PM »
Ked talked with Loren et al on that saturday morning dws radio show.

It was Ked, but he had 3 interesting comments.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5rB3t9AdQnUXeRRbhj6egJ

He said TJ doesn't know who the accuser is. No idea at all. Denies having any sort of interaction with any such woman.

TJ voluntarily gave a DNA swab before charges were filed. The way Ked worded it implied there may have been trace DNA from the accuser, but not TJ's. He said something like "negative for TJ's DNA."  If there's no DNA, the charges must go away?

He said TJ has a number of witnesses on his behalf who were there that still have not been interviewed.

If it's not Shannon's DNA, then why the hell are we even at this point?

The more info that's released, the more it doesn't add up for me.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #369 on: January 15, 2024, 09:31:20 PM »
According to the filing in Springfield, TJ first learned the identity of the accuser from the UI, but he apparently still doesn't know who that is.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #370 on: January 15, 2024, 09:35:25 PM »
If it's not Shannon's DNA, then why the hell are we even at this point?

The more info that's released, the more it doesn't add up for me.

Is there going to be DNA left from finger in such a scenario?
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« Reply #371 on: January 15, 2024, 09:36:02 PM »
Is there going to be DNA left from finger in such a scenario?

My thoughts exactly…
Because FOX News told me so…

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #372 on: January 15, 2024, 09:36:24 PM »
According to the filing in Springfield, TJ first learned the identity of the accuser from the UI, but he apparently still doesn't know who that is.

You would think they would have exchanged business cards.
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« Reply #373 on: January 15, 2024, 09:36:36 PM »
According to the filing in Springfield, TJ first learned the identity of the accuser from the UI, but he apparently still doesn't know who that is.

I don’t believe he doesn’t know who it is though…
Because FOX News told me so…

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #374 on: January 15, 2024, 09:48:54 PM »
Is there going to be DNA left from finger in such a scenario?
My thoughts exactly…
There may have been DNA from the accuser.
I wonder how that might happen.