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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #150 on: December 29, 2023, 11:48:59 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on December 29, 2023, 11:42:44 PM
Dude really?  It’s not legal to just go grab any girl by her pussy if she doesn’t want you to do it.  On what planet do you live?

I assume this girl created a big enough scene at the bar to know that was not ok, given she went to the police immediately after, and the police reviewed all the evidence and determined there was enough to charge him.

Some of you guys are nuts.

You don’t just walk up to a girl and finger her without her consent in a fucking bar. This whole thing is dumb as fuck. Rape?! Gtfooh
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #151 on: December 29, 2023, 11:57:38 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 29, 2023, 11:48:59 PM
You don’t just walk up to a girl and finger her without her consent in a fucking bar. This whole thing is dumb as fuck. Rape?! Gtfooh

Actually I could envision that scenario easily happening. Not at a bar like a Muphys where there’s just people standing around, but if it’s a dancing club type bar and guy gets too handsy while dancing and grabs her.  Plus given how big Shannon hands are perhaps there was enough of a squeeze to cause physical damage.

I think the videotape is the key.  If she doesn’t react much at all to what she claims happened, then no case.  But if she turns around and abruptly confronts him and creates a scene, and that’s again on a bar camera, then it looks bad for Shannon and I think is really the only way you could bring a charge like this and get a conviction. 

And I think the two charges on him are trying to distinguish touching vs penetration.

Sucks for him but he really should just pay her off if they have that type of video evidence to get it to go away and not ruin his career.   Given it’s been 3 months, maybe those things were considered but never hammered out so she went forward with the case.

DA would only prosecute this case if the victim wanted it prosecuted and was willing to testify
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #152 on: December 29, 2023, 11:59:06 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 29, 2023, 11:14:24 PM
calvin’s a real one
I'm not even trying to be a pessimist but you can't conclude anything based on what a defendant says and how some random cops summarize things. Neither of those are what the state is looking at to get to a jury.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #153 on: December 30, 2023, 12:01:13 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on December 29, 2023, 11:44:32 PM
If you listen to Whitman, he claims he asked TSJ about the incident and TSJ lawyered up and didn’t tell Illinois officials anything
Good.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #154 on: December 30, 2023, 12:03:11 AM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on December 29, 2023, 11:42:59 PM
Police reports are generally inadmissible, unless KS is weird. Cops may use them to refresh their recollection but the best you'll get is likely "I don't recall that" if a witness claims they said something and it's not in the cop's report.

The police report is inadmissible hearsay (I believe). However, if something is not in the report, the attorney will then ask the cops about the missing part, did she say it? If she had said it, you would have included it in the report, etc. etc.

Perry Mason won many a preliminary hearing taking on Detective Tragg and his men about what was not in the police report, much to DA Hamilton Burger's chagrin.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #155 on: December 30, 2023, 12:05:52 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on December 29, 2023, 11:44:32 PM
If you listen to Whitman, he claims he asked TSJ about the incident and TSJ lawyered up and didn’t tell Illinois officials anything

That sounds like he got good advice. You wonder why Guenther Jr would even ask him about it under these circumstances, but ok...
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #156 on: December 30, 2023, 12:07:53 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on December 29, 2023, 11:57:38 PM
given how big Shannon hands are perhaps there was enough of a squeeze to cause physical damage.

touching vs penetration.

Sounds like your girlfriend’s Christmas list.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #157 on: December 30, 2023, 12:15:13 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 30, 2023, 12:05:52 AM
That sounds like he got good advice. You wonder why Guenther Jr would even ask him about it under these circumstances, but ok...

I assume to provide cover for the DIA that they did enough due diligence in looking into it but ultimately decided to keep playing him.

I think if this had happened on Illinois campus with another Illinois student, he’d have been suspended immediately.  I think that’s what got Baylor in trouble (not following up on complaints vs their athletes).

But Whitman probably thinking “we know nothing, TSJ won’t talk, he hadn’t been charged, business as normal”.  It was obvious business as normal for the advertising dept. Shannon was in everything
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #158 on: December 30, 2023, 12:17:25 AM »
Quote from: Custard on December 30, 2023, 12:07:53 AM
Sounds like your girlfriend’s Christmas list.

BBH…big black hands..😂
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #159 on: December 30, 2023, 12:18:56 AM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on December 29, 2023, 11:59:06 PM
I'm not even trying to be a pessimist but you can't conclude anything based on what a defendant says and how some random cops summarize things. Neither of those are what the state is looking at to get to a jury.

Totally agree with you.  And some of the shit I’m reading from Illini fans on this are really horrible.

I’m certainly amenable to the idea that Shannon is totally innocent or it isn’t as bad as it seems or whatever but we have like basically no evidence at all supporting that.  Basically the extent of the information we have here is: it happened in a bar
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #160 on: December 30, 2023, 12:43:14 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on December 29, 2023, 11:57:38 PM
Actually I could envision that scenario easily happening. Not at a bar like a Muphys where there’s just people standing around, but if it’s a dancing club type bar and guy gets too handsy while dancing and grabs her.  Plus given how big Shannon hands are perhaps there was enough of a squeeze to cause physical damage.

I think the videotape is the key.  If she doesn’t react much at all to what she claims happened, then no case.  But if she turns around and abruptly confronts him and creates a scene, and that’s again on a bar camera, then it looks bad for Shannon and I think is really the only way you could bring a charge like this and get a conviction. 

And I think the two charges on him are trying to distinguish touching vs penetration.

Sucks for him but he really should just pay her off if they have that type of video evidence to get it to go away and not ruin his career.   Given it’s been 3 months, maybe those things were considered but never hammered out so she went forward with the case.

DA would only prosecute this case if the victim wanted it prosecuted and was willing to testify

Where do you even get this shit?! How do you know?!
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #161 on: December 30, 2023, 12:57:11 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 30, 2023, 12:43:14 AM
Where do you even get this shit?! How do you know?!

What else could it be? 

*bar or club (public place)
*some kind of touching with severity/extent in question
*a rape with force charge

I mean I think it’d be hard to charge someone with fingerbanging if they were in a public place and there wasn’t multiple witnesses or video tape to corraborrate what happened

And to get a rape with force charge the rape kit had to show something - physical damage etc.  Shannon has huge hands. 

I really doubt any figure, much less a public one, gets charged with no evidence other than “he fingered me”. “No I didn’t”
 



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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #162 on: December 30, 2023, 08:07:16 AM »
Truth coming back with a (finger) bang.

Fortunately for TSJ, Dom is usually wrong. So he has that going for him.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #163 on: December 30, 2023, 08:41:33 AM »
https://sports.yahoo.com/illinois-blindsided-by-rape-charge-against-star-guard-terrence-shannon-jr-132037184.html

Pretty much sums up all questions to date as far as timeline, university actions, TSJ level of actions/relaying to university etc. No lets see what plays out, if in fact all were blindsided, misdemeanor, pled down/dismissed entirely?
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #164 on: December 30, 2023, 02:03:28 PM »
Well, well, well.....who better to try and pontificate on IlliniHq2 on sexual assault than Dominic the Pedophile?

I am surprised Custard is allowing him to stay.

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