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TSJ suspended charged with rape

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #135 on: December 29, 2023, 11:03:54 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 29, 2023, 10:54:13 PM
Didn't he say he read the police report?
I didn't hear the whole press conference, but Whitman has no way of knowing with any level of confidence at this point the entirety of the evidence against TSJ.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #136 on: December 29, 2023, 11:05:32 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on December 29, 2023, 11:03:54 PM
I didn't hear the whole press conference, but Whitman has no way of knowing with any level of confidence at this point the entirety of the evidence against TSJ.

No, but if he read the report and TSJ confirmed to him the finger banging in the bar part....
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #137 on: December 29, 2023, 11:07:30 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 29, 2023, 11:02:56 PM
I would have to listen to the video again to be certain. My recollection is the Lawrence police contacted the UI police and the UI police spoke with him.
That's nearly worthless. Neither of those agencies have any obligation to be truthful or exhaustive with him.

Absent knowing what the actual witnesses are telling the prosecutors, he doesn't really know anything.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #138 on: December 29, 2023, 11:08:39 PM »
Inappropriate touching in a bar?! Give me a fucking break. This is ridiculous. So he fingered a girl in a bar, so what?! What the fuck can you do against somebody’s will in a public setting?! Sounds like she was pissed he wouldn’t date or be with her or some shit and said I’ll show you bullshit. You don’t just walk up to someone and start fingering them. What the fuck?! Then they have a nerve to charge a guy with rape and shit?! Totally fucking this guy’s reputation and character if nothing comes of it with the rape charge. Seriously?!
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #139 on: December 29, 2023, 11:09:31 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 29, 2023, 11:05:32 PM
No, but if he read the report and TSJ confirmed to him the finger banging in the bar part....
And if the woman tells a jury it was actually intercourse in the bar bathroom, what then?
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #140 on: December 29, 2023, 11:11:01 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on December 29, 2023, 11:03:54 PM
I didn't hear the whole press conference, but Whitman has no way of knowing with any level of confidence at this point the entirety of the evidence against TSJ.

Whitman did at one point say or imply they had reached out to LPD a couple of times asking for more information without hearing much back.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #141 on: December 29, 2023, 11:11:42 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on December 29, 2023, 11:09:31 PM
And if the woman tells a jury it was actually intercourse in the bar bathroom, what then?

There cameras in this establishment??
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #142 on: December 29, 2023, 11:12:28 PM »
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #143 on: December 29, 2023, 11:14:24 PM »
calvin’s a real one
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #144 on: December 29, 2023, 11:18:23 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on December 29, 2023, 11:09:31 PM
And if the woman tells a jury it was actually intercourse in the bar bathroom, what then?

I would guess the cops on the witness list would then be asked, if that is not in the report, if she had mentioned that in their interviews with her. No?

One question: if Guenther Jr. actually mentioned his discussions with TSJ, where he allegedly  admitted finger banging her, did Guenther, Jr. make himself a possible witness? Not that the prosecutor could subpoena him.

I admit to flying blind here as I have only read message board reports are the press conference.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #145 on: December 29, 2023, 11:29:29 PM »
'Whitman said the UIPD learned the allegations stemmed from a public incident that took place at a bar in Lawrence where Shannon interacted with a young woman and engaged in "inappropriate touching." Whitman added that none of the information they received early on was substantiated or indicated any specific charges that would be brought against Shannon."
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/shannon-illini-whitman/
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #146 on: December 29, 2023, 11:33:56 PM »

Next up:
"The Student-Athlete Conduct Panel shall convene within 48 hours of DIA providing notice to the student-athlete of the interim action.'

"The Panel will not act as an investigative body but will exercise good faith and reasonable judgment to draw needed conclusions based on the information available to it at the time it convenes. The Panel will undertake an individualized analysis to determine whether the available information justifies withholding the student-athlete from some or all athletic activities pending resolution ..."
https://fightingillini.com/sports/2022/7/21/student-conduct-policies-sa-handbook
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #147 on: December 29, 2023, 11:42:44 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 29, 2023, 11:08:39 PM
This is ridiculous. So he fingered a girl in a bar, so what?!

Dude really?  It’s not legal to just go grab any girl by her pussy if she doesn’t want you to do it.  On what planet do you live?

I assume this girl created a big enough scene at the bar to know that was not ok, given she went to the police immediately after, and the police reviewed all the evidence and determined there was enough to charge him.

Some of you guys are nuts.





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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #148 on: December 29, 2023, 11:42:59 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 29, 2023, 11:18:23 PM
I would guess the cops on the witness list would then be asked, if that is not in the report, if she had mentioned that in their interviews with her. No?

One question: if Guenther Jr. actually mentioned his discussions with TSJ, where he allegedly  admitted finger banging her, did Guenther, Jr. make himself a possible witness? Not that the prosecutor could subpoena him.

I admit to flying blind here as I have only read message board reports are the press conference.
Police reports are generally inadmissible, unless KS is weird. Cops may use them to refresh their recollection but the best you'll get is likely "I don't recall that" if a witness claims they said something and it's not in the cop's report.

If you relay what TSJ said verbatim, it's a statement the prosecutor could try to admit against TSJ. Yes, they could subpoena Whitman or Underwood or any other non-attorney.

None of this means the case has merit. I just caution people to take what an AD says about what a cop told him as anything dispositive as to what will actually show up at trial.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #149 on: December 29, 2023, 11:44:32 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 29, 2023, 11:18:23 PM
I would guess the cops on the witness list would then be asked, if that is not in the report, if she had mentioned that in their interviews with her. No?

One question: if Guenther Jr. actually mentioned his discussions with TSJ, where he allegedly  admitted finger banging her, did Guenther, Jr. make himself a possible witness? Not that the prosecutor could subpoena him.

I admit to flying blind here as I have only read message board reports are the press conference.

If you listen to Whitman, he claims he asked TSJ about the incident and TSJ lawyered up and didn’t tell Illinois officials anything
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