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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #270 on: December 17, 2023, 05:07:04 PM »
I’m not sure he cracks the top 8
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #271 on: December 17, 2023, 05:07:56 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 05:03:30 PM
On the list of why the Bears lost today, Justin Fields doesn’t crack the top 5.

Lolwut? He quarterbacked an offense that produced eight three-and-outs. He absolutely is in the top 5. Shit, top 3 even.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #272 on: December 17, 2023, 05:08:03 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 05:03:30 PM
On the list of why the Bears lost today, Justin Fields doesn’t crack the top 5.

If the Bears had gotten good quarterback play today, they almost certainly win the game.
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« Reply #273 on: December 17, 2023, 05:09:06 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 05:07:04 PM
I’m not sure he cracks the top 8

Well yeah, I don't think anyone is surprised by this dude.

You find him to be completely above all criticism in every situation.  I've literally never seen a guy so consistently immune from criticism and accountability for his own play.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #274 on: December 17, 2023, 05:10:22 PM »
Toughest defensive line (and best defensive player) in the league vs an overmatched line on the road. Bad play-calling (which you admitted) multiple critical drops. Cant run effectively at all. Poor clock management. But yeah, the quarterbacks numbers weren’t pretty and that’s why we lost. SMH
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #275 on: December 17, 2023, 05:12:46 PM »
You're obviously never going to find any criticism of the guy valid, ever.  That just couldn't possibly be more clear.

It's really fucking weird.  Legitimately cannot think of a single analogous situation, where every mistake and bad game someone plays is blamed on something - ANYTHING - else for multiple full seasons.  Other than, as I've already mentioned, Weber.

The guy is absolute teflon.
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« Reply #276 on: December 17, 2023, 05:12:49 PM »
Tonyan and Mooney drops both win the game if caught. Bears maybe have a better chance to tie if Scott catches the 1st ball last drive. A ball even ThePAMan agreed needs to be caught. Sure, he made up for it the next catch, but critical time was lost on the drop.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #277 on: December 17, 2023, 05:14:01 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 17, 2023, 05:12:46 PM
You're obviously never going to find any criticism of the guy valid, ever.  That just couldn't possibly be more clear.

It's really fucking weird.  Legitimately cannot think of a single analogous situation, where every mistake and bad game someone plays is blamed on something - ANYTHING - else for multiple full seasons.  Other than, as I've already mentioned, Weber.

The guy is absolute teflon.

He wasn’t perfect. Or even HOF level today. He didn’t need to be. His teammates and coaches let him down. Again.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #278 on: December 17, 2023, 05:14:44 PM »
I hope Tonyan was quoted after the game as saying “we win with better quarterback play.”
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« Reply #279 on: December 17, 2023, 05:14:52 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 05:12:49 PM
Tonyan and Mooney drops both win the game if caught. Bears maybe have a better chance to tie if Scott catches the 1st ball last drive. A ball even ThePAMan agreed needs to be caught. Sure, he made up for it the next catch, but critical time was lost on the drop.

If we're going to count the WR drops (ignoring that one was literally a tipped hail mary with a WR falling onto his back), do we also count the two pick sixes the defense dropped?

Or do we only do the "hypothetical" thing if it confirms our biases?  My guess is if I came here ranting about that sort of stuff you would make fun of me.  Unfortunately, I don't need to do the hypothetical to show he hasn't been very good.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #280 on: December 17, 2023, 05:15:41 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 05:14:01 PM
He wasn’t perfect. Or even HOF level today. He didn’t need to be. His teammates and coaches let him down. Again.

Or replacement level.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #281 on: December 17, 2023, 05:16:33 PM »
You are so fucking right though, Justin Fields isn’t at an All-Pro level. Launch him.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #282 on: December 17, 2023, 05:17:04 PM »
I love how when I point out that he's completely immune to all criticism in your eyes you tried to prove me wrong by saying "he wasn't perfect, or even HOF level today".

No fucking shit?
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #283 on: December 17, 2023, 05:17:12 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 17, 2023, 05:15:41 PM
Or replacement level.

That’s absurd. A replacement level QB loses that game by 14 no problem.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #284 on: December 17, 2023, 05:17:30 PM »
Tell me Derek Carr wins that game. Lol
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