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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3255 on: December 29, 2023, 04:46:17 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 29, 2023, 04:44:46 PM
Yeah pro football reference has a calculator.

Cool, did not know that.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3256 on: December 29, 2023, 04:48:47 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 04:45:51 PM
The Texans’ schedule has been as bad as the Bears. And they lost to Carolina.

What does that have to do with the Bear D continuing to suck ass against every QB with a pulse?
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3257 on: December 29, 2023, 04:49:05 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 29, 2023, 04:44:00 PM
That they were in the same game doesn’t really matter.  The point is that other guys - every other guy ever - who has thrown an INT on a Hail Mary has had it count on their numbers, so it’s pretty nice for Fields to remove them from his numbers and no one else’s.

But it doesn’t matter, I removed them and his numbers were slightly less (but still very) mediocre.

Well it’s still going to hurt your “last 5” rating a fair bit.

No one here has ever made the case that Justin Fields is without flaws and is a fully developed franchise quarterback. But with better talent and better coaching, I’m pretty convinced you can win at a high level with him. He’s never been in anything close to an optimal situation and he’s still standing, and you could still get a 2nd and a 3rd for him today according to many people. That means there’s still no shortage of people who believe in him.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3258 on: December 29, 2023, 04:49:41 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 04:49:05 PM
Well it’s still going to hurt your “last 5” rating a fair bit.

No one here has ever made the case that Justin Fields is without flaws and is a fully developed franchise quarterback. But with better talent and better coaching, I’m pretty convinced you can win at a high level with him. He’s never been in anything close to an optimal situation and he’s still standing, and you could still get a 2nd and a 3rd for him today according to many people.

Like I said, his rating in the last five games was 82 with the INTs removed.
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« Reply #3259 on: December 29, 2023, 04:50:32 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 29, 2023, 04:48:47 PM
What does that have to do with the Bear D continuing to suck ass against every QB with a pulse?

Jared Goff was a leading MVP candidate until he ran into the Bears twice.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3260 on: December 29, 2023, 04:54:51 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 04:50:32 PM
Jared Goff was a leading MVP candidate until he ran into the Bears twice.
So we are omitting the 4th quarters at Detroit and Cleveland, like we omit Hail Mary INTs, in claiming the Bear D is on the "verge of being elite"?
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« Reply #3261 on: December 29, 2023, 05:06:33 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 03:50:10 PM
“The interior of that offensive line has just been a dumpster fire all season, just shockingly incompetent.” JT O’Sullivan

Really????

https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1740822585666085067?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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« Reply #3262 on: December 29, 2023, 05:22:14 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 29, 2023, 05:06:33 PM
Really????

https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1740822585666085067?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ

They do seem to give Fields time on more than a few occasions to just tap the ball while missing wide open receivers and not throw it.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3263 on: December 29, 2023, 05:22:40 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 04:50:32 PM
Jared Goff was a leading MVP candidate until he ran into the Bears twice.

Uh, he was?
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« Reply #3264 on: December 29, 2023, 05:24:09 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 29, 2023, 05:22:40 PM
Uh, he was?

According to the Eberlose defenders and FFFs, who seem to have merged these days.
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« Reply #3265 on: December 29, 2023, 05:27:14 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 29, 2023, 05:22:14 PM
They do seem to give Fields time on more than a few occasions to just tap the ball while missing wide open receivers and not throw it.

Yeah, a lot of sacks are Fields’ fault for hanging on to the ball too long and not throwing the damn thing 😂
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3266 on: December 29, 2023, 05:36:34 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 29, 2023, 05:24:09 PM
According to the Eberlose defenders and FFFs, who seem to have merged these days.

I mean it’s possible, he’s had a good year and the Lions are obviously pretty solid.  I just hadn’t heard anyone mention him as an MVP candidate at all until that post.
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« Reply #3267 on: December 29, 2023, 05:46:46 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 29, 2023, 05:06:33 PM
Really????

https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1740822585666085067?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ

The FFF's would have you believe that Fields is on his back immediately after the snap of the ball.

The Bears offensive line is far from elite but Fields has had more than adequate time on dropbacks to scan the field. He just doesn't do that very well and often times it leads to a sack because no offensive lineman alive can hold a block forever.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3268 on: December 29, 2023, 07:05:19 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 29, 2023, 05:06:33 PM
Really????

https://x.com/polesplseat/status/1740822585666085067?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ

Something doesn’t add up there. That’s only 10 sacks. The rest of the OL can’t be responsible for that many. I think pressures would probably be a much better stat.
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« Reply #3269 on: December 29, 2023, 07:07:05 PM »
Quote from: Miles Leonard on December 29, 2023, 05:46:46 PM
The FFF's would have you believe that Fields is on his back immediately after the snap of the ball.

The Bears offensive line is far from elite but Fields has had more than adequate time on dropbacks to scan the field. He just doesn't do that very well and often times it leads to a sack because no offensive lineman alive can hold a block forever.

He’d be on his back a lot more if it weren’t for his elusiveness. Kirk Cousins or a similar quarterback wouldn’t want to play behind this line I wouldn’t think.

I’ve watched a lot of the All22 this year. Way too many missed assignments and weird blocking schemes. Lucas Patrick has been abysmal all year.
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