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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1785 on: December 11, 2023, 08:53:14 PM »
The comparisons to David Carr are hilarious. What Bear fan is clamoring for David Carr?

That Tempo says yesterday was closer to Fields' floor, and then Spark noting that he has had untold numerous worse games, is one of the funniest things I have read in a while.

Well done, chaps
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« Reply #1786 on: December 11, 2023, 08:54:01 PM »
It’s no one specific post. It’s your “no excuses” tangent. It’s laughable you think he’s supposed to overcome pedestrian talent (and that’s when it’s at its best), worse coaching, injuries, and being left for dead in his 2nd year and still play like an unquestioned franchise quarterback.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1787 on: December 11, 2023, 08:55:47 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 08:54:01 PM
It’s no one specific post. It’s your “no excuses” tangent. It’s laughable you think he’s supposed to overcome pedestrian talent (and that’s when it’s at its best), worse coaching, injuries, and being left for dead in his 2nd year and still play like an unquestioned franchise quarterback.

#noexcuses PAMan approves

Mahomes would be in heaven with the Bear receiving corps at this point
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« Reply #1788 on: December 11, 2023, 08:56:10 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 08:54:01 PM
It’s no one specific post. It’s your “no excuses” tangent. It’s laughable you think he’s supposed to overcome pedestrian talent (and that’s when it’s at its best), worse coaching, injuries, and being left for dead in his 2nd year and still play like an unquestioned franchise quarterback.

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At what point in Justin Fields' career will it be fair to evaluate his performance?
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« Reply #1789 on: December 11, 2023, 08:58:19 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 11, 2023, 08:53:14 PM
The comparisons to David Carr are hilarious. What Bear fan is clamoring for David Carr?

That Tempo says yesterday was closer to Fields' floor, and then Spark noting that he has had untold numerous worse games, is one of the funniest things I have read in a while.

Well done, chaps

We were talking about Derek Carr.
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« Reply #1790 on: December 11, 2023, 08:58:28 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 11, 2023, 08:55:47 PM
Mahomes would be in heaven with the Bear receiving corps at this point

Hahaha see, at least he’s playing a bit.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1791 on: December 11, 2023, 08:59:14 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 11, 2023, 08:53:14 PM
The comparisons to David Carr are hilarious. What Bear fan is clamoring for David Carr?

That Tempo says yesterday was closer to Fields' floor, and then Spark noting that he has had untold numerous worse games, is one of the funniest things I have read in a while.

Well done, chaps

This post gets the subject wrong, and the point. Well done!
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1792 on: December 11, 2023, 08:59:51 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 08:56:10 PM
At what point in Justin Fields' career will it be fair to evaluate his performance?

Next year for sure. Give him a 4th year, like Mitch had.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1793 on: December 11, 2023, 09:01:50 PM »
So next year if he doesn't perform in the passing game, you won't be like "well they had x new players" or "there's a new OC, you can't expect him to perform right away" and then later "well <new OC> isn't playing to Fields' strengths" or "he had these injuries on his offense" or "MHJ is a rookie, you can't expect him to dominate right away" or anything along those lines?

These.. reasons you say this year has gone the way it has for Fields as a passer?

Next year it's put up - turn the corner and be consistently productive in the passing game - or shut up - we're moving on?
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« Reply #1794 on: December 11, 2023, 09:08:46 PM »
I think by year 4, with time to integrate all the new players and needed upgrades and one would think time to build more cohesion, sure. You have to make a decision next year anyway, because after that he gets expensive. Do you think I’ll be making excuses for him year 5 and 6?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1795 on: December 11, 2023, 09:10:10 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 08:58:19 PM
We were talking about Derek Carr.

David, Derek, Vicki, no one is clamoring for a Carr or someone with Carr-like numbers.
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« Reply #1796 on: December 11, 2023, 09:10:17 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 08:59:51 PM
Next year for sure. Give him a 4th year, like Mitch had.

Just since you brought up "like Mitch".  I was wrong about Mitch, and obviously higher than you were after those solid years when the Bears were winning.  I'm sure I was still defending him after year 3 in Chicago, when his play had fallen off a lot from the year before, and in retrospect I was wrong about that.  I stuck with him too long.

I could be totally wrong about this, but I like to think that IF, that year, the Bears somehow had the #1 pick in the draft and could've drafted Burrow I would've thought that was probably the right move.  That is something that absolutely plays into this conversation more than probably either of us acknowledge.

A few times you've said I thought Fields just sucks.  I don't, really.  I obviously see his appeal, especially in the run game where he's undoubtedly super fun to watch and exciting.  The fact that the Bears not only have the #1 pick this year, but in a year that supposedly has two really, really good quarterback prospects that will almost certainly go #1 and #2, meant I probably needed to see more out of Fields than I would've in a regular old "3rd year QB" situation.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if the Bears had only their own pick, I would be right there with you saying I thought Fields needed another year.  Or like, if the Panthers pick were at 3rd instead of 1st, I probably think differently about the whole thing.
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« Reply #1797 on: December 11, 2023, 09:10:50 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 09:08:46 PM
I think by year 4, with time to integrate all the new players and needed upgrades and one would think time to build more cohesion, sure. You have to make a decision next year anyway, because after that he gets expensive. Do you think I’ll be making excuses for him year 5 and 6?

I have no idea - I'm kind of shocked you still make so many excuses for him now, obviously.

But I see just from this post that that probably isn't going to happen next year, LOL.
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« Reply #1798 on: December 11, 2023, 09:10:54 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 08:58:28 PM
Hahaha see, at least he’s playing a bit.

He would kill for them at this point
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« Reply #1799 on: December 11, 2023, 09:11:31 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 11, 2023, 09:10:10 PM
David, Derek, Vicki, no one is clamoring for a Carr or someone with Carr-like numbers.

To be clear, his brother David was also a #1 overall pick QB, he was just a huge bust.  Derek's had a solid if unspectacular career.
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