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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1560 on: December 10, 2023, 08:41:57 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 08:38:50 PM
There are probably people saying that Justin Fields just sucks.

I don't think it's me though



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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1561 on: December 10, 2023, 08:42:26 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 10, 2023, 08:05:51 PM
But what about his passurs rayting?

I mean, is that what you want to say really?

Who cares whether he can throw the ball?

He's an NFL QB man.  Is it really asking a lot that he can efficiently and consistently move the ball with his arm?  You consistently act like that's just a crazy thing to expect.
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« Reply #1562 on: December 10, 2023, 08:43:56 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 10, 2023, 08:41:57 PM


I mean, sorry - you're going to argue over some shit you make up no matter what I say, I don't know why I even bother offering my own opinion.

I've never said Fields sucks.  I've been talking all day about how electric he is with his legs.  I've said over and over I see some improvement, but that that's a low bar.  I've ALWAYS discussed the opportunity cost of using the first pick when talking about whether to keep Fields.  Always.

If you're going to claim I've been saying Fields sucks, you're going to have to find the post where I said that.

He's a great runner, and a middling passer.  He will be expensive after next year.  I do not think spending money on a middling passer is a smart decision.  This is what I've been saying consistently the entire time, please don't pretend it isn't.
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« Reply #1563 on: December 10, 2023, 08:46:46 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 08:40:23 PM
Is this not exactly what people said last year though Tempo?


So with 30 new players, a bottom 7 OC, probably bottom 10 skill talent, and early season injuries; because they didn’t hit the ground running the excuses tour is over? I never thought id see the day where you were as demandingly (a word?) unreasonable as ThePAMan. This team has finally played 2-3 games mostly healthy and we see the direction it’s going.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1564 on: December 10, 2023, 08:48:53 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 10, 2023, 08:38:57 PM
Are passer ratings important? Yes, I’d say so. Do they tell the entire story, especially on a dual threat young quarterback who is still improving? Fuck no.

I think they pretty accurately show how a guy is doing as a passer.  You're obviously happy enough to use them when Fields has good ones.  QBR tries to include everything including rushing - which should be a huge win for Fields - but it also penalizes guys for fumbles and sacks, so he's pretty average in that stat too.

Honest question here, and I think this is central to the whole thing.

Do you think a shifty running QB like Fields, who has been only an average passer (if that), is a sustainable model for a successful QB long term in the modern NFL?

I do not.  I like that he can run, but every "running QB" eventually has to become a pocket passer and he still hasn't shown the ability to do that with any consistency.  I think a guy's rushing ability is a great asset as a complement to being a pocket passer, but I can't think of any QB who ended up actually being good in the long term whose primary weapon was his legs.
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« Reply #1565 on: December 10, 2023, 08:49:12 PM »
Not to mention a lot of 1st and 2nd year players being integrated.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1566 on: December 10, 2023, 08:49:30 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 10, 2023, 08:46:46 PM
So with 30 new players, a bottom 7 OC, probably bottom 10 skill talent, and early season injuries; because they didn’t hit the ground running the excuses tour is over? I never thought id see the day where you were as demandingly (a word?) unreasonable as ThePAMan. This team has finally played 2-3 games mostly healthy and we see the direction it’s going.

So no?  You and others didn't spend all last year talking about how the Bears had a ton of cap space and draft assets and had an amazing opportunity to build around Fields, so he could have a huge breakout year in 2023?

I'm pretty sure you did man.
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« Reply #1567 on: December 10, 2023, 08:50:18 PM »
The goal posts just keep moving.
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« Reply #1568 on: December 10, 2023, 08:51:51 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 08:49:30 PM
So no?  You and others didn't spend all last year talking about how the Bears had a ton of cap space and draft assets and had an amazing opportunity to build around Fields, so he could have a huge breakout year in 2023?

I'm pretty sure you did man.

He said playoffs. Then, well, the goalposts moved when we saw the start of the season…
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« Reply #1569 on: December 10, 2023, 08:52:13 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 08:49:30 PM
So no?  You and others didn't spend all last year talking about how the Bears had a ton of cap space and draft assets and had an amazing opportunity to build around Fields, so he could have a huge breakout year in 2023?

I'm pretty sure you did man.

So despite 30 new players, many of them inexperienced, a bottom 7 OC, bottom 10 skill positions, and early season injuries that hindered their ability to build cohesion; because they didn’t hit the ground running it’s Fields’ fault, obviously.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1570 on: December 10, 2023, 08:52:53 PM »
This is like explaining “the tank” to Mn, Jobu, and ThePAMan. They’ve never been able to wrap their heads around it.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1571 on: December 10, 2023, 08:53:29 PM »
Where is Mn, anyway?
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« Reply #1572 on: December 10, 2023, 08:54:37 PM »
This is worse than Jobu mockingly preaching “patience.”
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« Reply #1573 on: December 10, 2023, 08:56:01 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 10, 2023, 08:53:29 PM
Where is Mn, anyway?

Probably celebrating the Viking 3-0 victory over the Raider.
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« Reply #1574 on: December 10, 2023, 08:57:38 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 10, 2023, 08:52:13 PM
So despite 30 new players, many of them inexperienced, a bottom 7 OC, bottom 10 skill positions, and early season injuries that hindered their ability to build cohesion; because they didn’t hit the ground running it’s Fields’ fault, obviously.

You're trying to deflect again.  I didn't say it was Fields' fault - I'm actually not really talking about Fields at all.  I'm talking about how we just did the "huge offseason overhaul, Fields and the Bears are going to show improvement!" thing LAST season.  One year ago, that post would've been just as relevant.

But then after the actual overhaul, when they went out and got DJ Moore and spent a top ten pick on an offensive lineman etc., after those offseason moves last year that you hyped up as difference makers, they still looked like one of the worst teams in the NFL the first few weeks of the season.  Once that happened suddenly it was unreasonable for people to have expected that the Bears show big improvement because they had a bunch of new players, and a bad OC, and terrible talent.  The goal posts moved a LOT there.

I bet if I took 15 minutes I could find some posts from you during last offseason where you would've absolutely shredded someone that said "the Bears have no talent, they're not going to improve that much, Fields is still going to be inconsistent" etc.  But now that it happened, you're acting like it was all part of the plan.
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