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« Reply #1530 on: December 10, 2023, 12:10:36 PM »
I never tried to “invalidate” your opinion. I just tried to make a counter argument. Maybe if you can accept that we’d get somewhere.
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« Reply #1531 on: December 10, 2023, 04:38:22 PM »
Fields since the Commanders game on October 5th:

3.5 games.  667 yards (190 per game, over 3.5 games), 2 TD, 1 INT, 86.51 passer rating.

267 rushing yards (76 per game, over 3.5 games), 1 rushing TD, 3 fumbles.

He had a great stretch for the Broncos/Commanders games, no doubt.  Since then he has regressed back into a mediocre quarterback.

I hoped, like all Bears fans, that those Broncos/Commanders games were Fields turning a corner as a passer.  All indications to this point are that he hasn't done that.
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« Reply #1532 on: December 10, 2023, 05:41:52 PM »
Where is the improvement? Just not seeing it…

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« Reply #1533 on: December 10, 2023, 05:46:10 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 05:41:52 PM
Where is the improvement? Just not seeing it…



But surely you see that these numbers are nearly entirely because of two games in the first week of October, right?  80% of the TD and more than half the yards were in those two games two months ago.  In the 3.5 games since he has 667 yards and 2 passing TD, with a passer rating in the mid 80's.

I posted his numbers since October 5th.  He's been mediocre since the Commanders game.  He was terrible coming into the Denver game, had two great weeks, and has been average since.  It was a two game stretch where he played well.

Now, his average play lately is an "improvement" over the horrendous play he showed at the beginning of his third year, but that's an exceptionally low bar isn't it?  He looked like a bottom-5 QB coming into the Denver game.
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« Reply #1534 on: December 10, 2023, 05:51:30 PM »
No improvement, at all.

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« Reply #1535 on: December 10, 2023, 05:52:19 PM »
This is hilarious. Spark just went “Trubisky Tampa game” on me.
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« Reply #1536 on: December 10, 2023, 06:24:15 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 05:52:19 PM
This is hilarious. Spark just went “Trubisky Tampa game” on me.

Huh?

One of us is arguing that a tiny sample size of good play is enough, but it isn't me.

I'm pointing out that other than that tiny sample size, he has still been mediocre as a passer - even since then.  He's been a below average passer since the Commanders game.

Like literally, a little less than a QUARTER of those 33 total TD were passing touchdowns in those two games.  That means that in 15 of those 17 games, he had 25 total touchdowns (a little more than 1.5 per game).

It also doesn't mention fumbles - he has 16 in those 17 starts.  Not sure if that's the most in the league or not, but it's close (he had 16 last year, and that led the league).  And 1200+ of those yards were rushing yards, meaning he has 3000 or less yards passing in 17 starts (3k in 17 starts is 175 a game).
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« Reply #1537 on: December 10, 2023, 06:31:03 PM »
38 turnovers in 36 games. That’s atrocious.
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« Reply #1538 on: December 10, 2023, 06:39:09 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 10, 2023, 06:31:03 PM
38 turnovers in 36 games. That’s atrocious.

Well, 28 fumbles + INT.

And he didn't lose all the fumbles, so it's not 28 turnovers.

But it's still a whole lot of fumbles.
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« Reply #1539 on: December 10, 2023, 06:43:51 PM »
Whole lotta fumblin’ goin on! Whole lotta fumblin’ goin on! *rock and roll piano playing*
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« Reply #1540 on: December 10, 2023, 06:56:31 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 10, 2023, 06:43:51 PM
Whole lotta fumblin’ goin on! Whole lotta fumblin’ goin on! *rock and roll piano playing*

Yep.  A lot.

For comparison to some other QBs who have had at least some success running the ball: 

Fields has 36 fumbles in 35 starts.

Deshaun Watson has 36 fumbles in 65 starts.

Kyler Murray has 38 fumbles in 61 starts.

Lamar Jackson has 53 fumbles in 73 starts.

Hurts has 34 fumbles in 46 starts.

For comparison to some previous guys who ran the ball a lot:

RG3 had 37 fumbles in 42 starts.

Cam Newton had 62 fumbles in 144 starts.

Mike Vick had 98 fumbles in 115 starts.


It's okay to admit that he fumbles far too often.  He had two more today where he was down a split second before he lost the ball.

No idea if accurate, but from what I can tell Fields is the only guy to ever play that many games and average 1+ fumble per game.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-fumbles-per-game-career-by-qb

(That site says 35, football-reference says 36.  Not sure which is right.)
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« Reply #1541 on: December 10, 2023, 07:58:09 PM »
I’m gonna have to consult with Troy Aikman to see if this checks out.

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« Reply #1542 on: December 10, 2023, 08:02:06 PM »
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« Reply #1543 on: December 10, 2023, 08:04:32 PM »
You mean Fields’ presence helps create mismatches? What a bizarre thought.

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« Reply #1544 on: December 10, 2023, 08:05:51 PM »
But what about his passurs rayting?
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