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« Reply #1245 on: December 09, 2023, 11:02:02 AM »
I’m struggling to remember when Bagent threw 8 TDs in two games with 130 passer ratings. 
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1246 on: December 09, 2023, 11:06:13 AM »
Tyson Bagent’s passer rating in 5 games is 71, 20 points lower than Fields; but Bagent was better and I “refuse to accept that fact.”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1247 on: December 09, 2023, 11:06:35 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 11:02:02 AM
I’m struggling to remember when Bagent threw 8 TDs in two games with 130 passer ratings.

I shouldn’t have threw that caveat in there to push your buttons 😂

Tempo, you’re missing the bigger picture of the argument that Spark and I are trying to show you here. There’s a reason you’re not answering and addressing those points…
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« Reply #1248 on: December 09, 2023, 11:09:59 AM »
https://www.nj.com/jets/2017/12/sam_darnold_or_josh_rosen_lamar_jackson_nfl_draft.html

"The talk all offseason was about how great this group of quarterbacks was going to be. You had two can't-miss prospects in Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen. An elite athlete in Lamar Jackson. A developmental project with a sky-high ceiling in Josh Allen."

https://www.ninersnation.com/2015/3/1/8131395/mocking-the-draft-a-fresh-look-at-the-incoming-qbs

"I've also just had this sneaking suspicion that Marcus Mariota is the only can't miss QB in this draft, and that Jameis Winston -- in addition to all the other things he is -- is severely overrated as a prospect. "

https://nypost.com/2019/10/19/two-teams-cant-miss-qb-are-in-danger-of-missing/

"Sometimes, can’t-miss options end up missing.

Remember that can’t-miss draft in 2015, with Jameis Winston going to the Buccaneers at No. 1 overall and Marcus Mariota to the Titans at No. 2?"


The difference between a guy you're willing to say was a "can't-miss" prospect and these guys is that you're looking back at a HoF caliber career retroactively.  There have been tons of guys called "can't miss" prospects who have missed, because a "can't miss" prospect isn't a real thing.


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« Reply #1249 on: December 09, 2023, 11:14:03 AM »
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I shouldn’t have threw that caveat in there to push your buttons 😂

Tempo, you’re missing the bigger picture of the argument that Spark and I are trying to show you here. There’s a reason you’re not answering and addressing those points…

What have I not addresed?
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« Reply #1250 on: December 09, 2023, 11:17:40 AM »
Lol as if anyone had Josh Rosen on the same level as Peyton Manning. Manning was as sure a thing as you could get, provided health. 1st ballot HOFer? Who knows? Good NFL quarterback? Always.
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« Reply #1251 on: December 09, 2023, 11:18:31 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 11:14:03 AM
What have I not addresed?

Your take on “can’t miss” players is revisionist history. It’s ridiculous.
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« Reply #1252 on: December 09, 2023, 11:20:22 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 11:17:40 AM
Lol as if anyone had Josh Rosen on the same level as Peyton Manning. Manning was as sure a thing as you could get, provided health. 1st ballot HOFer? Who knows? Good NFL quarterback? Always.


Nobody. Absolutely nobody is saying this. You’re a weird fucking dude and will do ANYTHING to protect Justin Fields. Hence why Spark (or anybody for that matter) doesn’t want to talk about this shit anymore. You are dishonest.
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« Reply #1253 on: December 09, 2023, 11:21:17 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 11:17:40 AM
Lol as if anyone had Josh Rosen on the same level as Peyton Manning. Manning was as sure a thing as you could get, provided health. 1st ballot HOFer? Who knows? Good NFL quarterback? Always.

Josh Rosen was a can't miss prospect.

He just missed.

You're retroactively pretending he wasn't considered a can't-miss prospect because he missed.  Which strengthens my point that there's no such thing as a can't-miss prospect considerably.
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« Reply #1254 on: December 09, 2023, 11:22:55 AM »
I don’t think Jameis Winston was ever a “can’t miss.” There were definitely character concerns there. Being a consensus #1 isn’t quite the same thing as a “can’t miss.” Of course, there’s always a chance a guy busts, but there are a handful here and there that are extremely safe. I wouldn’t have called Mayfield or Winston “extremely safe.” I don’t recall any Andrew Luck comparison with either. Either way, I don’t find this debate stimulating or useful. You don’t have to draft a QB at #1 to get a good one. In fact, you’re just as likely to get a great one at 15 or even 32.
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« Reply #1255 on: December 09, 2023, 11:25:40 AM »
If Josh Rosen was a “can’t miss,” he doesn’t go 10th.
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« Reply #1256 on: December 09, 2023, 11:28:52 AM »
I’ve never heard of a can’t miss QB being the 4th quarterback selected in a draft.
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« Reply #1257 on: December 09, 2023, 11:30:49 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 11:28:52 AM
I’ve never heard of a can’t miss QB being the 4th quarterback selected in a draft.

Fields wouldn’t even be #1 in this class. Williams is without a doubt #1 regardless of what you FFS and the media is portraying. It happens every year with people over analyzing prospects.
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« Reply #1258 on: December 09, 2023, 11:31:13 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 11:28:52 AM
I’ve never heard of a can’t miss QB being the 4th quarterback selected in a draft.

Sure you have.  Just gave you a few examples, including quotes and links.  You're simply denying the evidence because it doesn't confirm your bias, which is obviously exactly what I expected.

There's no such thing as a can't-miss prospect, is the point.  A lot of the people others said were can't-miss prospect miss.  It's easy to retroactively pick the ones who didn't and say "see, he couldn't miss!" but to think that way you have to ignore a lot of evidence.
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« Reply #1259 on: December 09, 2023, 11:32:23 AM »
“Josh Rosen is a “can’t miss quarterback!” But these other three quarterbacks and and six non-quarterbacks are can’t miss betters!”
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