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« Reply #1200 on: December 09, 2023, 09:36:34 AM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 09, 2023, 09:33:06 AM
All that I have tried to do in this “conversation,” is try to impress upon you that I think the decision to keep Fields is likely a closer one than you apparently think. If you forced me to bet my own money, I’d probably take your side.

But you seem pretty dead set that he has to be at an All-Pro level the last 5 games to make the decision a tough one. I think there’s a pretty REASONABLE chance he’s back if he’s merely “competent.”

To make the decision a tough one FOR ME, personally, yes.  I don’t have any part of a say in the matter though and have said a number of times that they very well might keep him.  I just think that would be an easily avoidable mistake.
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« Reply #1201 on: December 09, 2023, 09:37:12 AM »
Lol
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1202 on: December 09, 2023, 09:39:50 AM »
So I’m betting Poles is thinking playoffs next year. Do you think he’s going to hand the team off to a rookie QB? That would pose some risk. I think there are factors you’re not considering, and again; if forced to bet my own money I’d probably take your side, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1203 on: December 09, 2023, 09:40:58 AM »
What if it takes 2-3 years for whoever they draft to develop? Which seems likely. That’s eating into a large window in which this team should be competitive.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1204 on: December 09, 2023, 09:46:25 AM »
I’d say the likelihood they draft a QB next year is a very strong one, but I’m not convinced it’s at the top of the 1st round. I don’t think there’s any one overwhelmingly likely scenario.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1205 on: December 09, 2023, 09:51:37 AM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 09, 2023, 09:40:58 AM
What if it takes 2-3 years for whoever they draft to develop? Which seems likely. That’s eating into a large window in which this team should be competitive.

What if they keep Fields and he is the same mediocre and inconsistent QB he has been thusfar in his career?  Doesn’t that also seem at least moderately likely?

That would basically decimate the Bears next few years.

Having a good QB on a cheap rookie deal is how teams win titles.  Having a mediocre one on a huge second contract is how they get set back years.
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« Reply #1206 on: December 09, 2023, 09:53:02 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 09:51:37 AM
What if they keep Fields and he is the same mediocre and inconsistent QB he has been thusfar in his career?  Doesn’t that also seem at least moderately likely?

That would basically decimate the Bears next few years.

I’m assuming there will be a backup plan, unlike with Mitch.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1207 on: December 09, 2023, 09:55:11 AM »
That plan could be bring in an established veteran toward the end of his starting days (Jimmy G, Derek Carr type?), draft a QB fairly high.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1208 on: December 09, 2023, 09:56:55 AM »
I could see Poles drafting a Penix, Nix, or McCarthy without the intent to start him immediately.
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« Reply #1209 on: December 09, 2023, 10:27:45 AM »
Milroe, Daniels, Sanders, Ewers, all potential NFL starters (a couple of them may not declare until next year). I’m not sure it’s a given that they will or should got QB at 1.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1210 on: December 09, 2023, 10:30:34 AM »
If those guys were evaluated at the top of the draft you'd have some reason we shouldn't pick them too, because the Maye/Williams criticism is actually not about them at all but is about Justin Fields. That's why the large majority of it is coming from the subset of Bears fans who already want to keep Fields.

That doesn't mean either guy is a sure thing - no one they take with any pick in the NFL draft is a sure thing - but those guys take more criticism from Justin Fields fans than any other group from what I can tell.
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« Reply #1211 on: December 09, 2023, 10:34:16 AM »
I have zero problem with them drafting a QB even 1st round. I just don’t know that going 1 overall is necessary. The majority of the league’s top QBs were not drafted 1 overall. If Peyton Manning is on the board, the choice is easy. I’m not sure Williams or Maye are as sure as Peyton Manning. The team should be ready to win next year, I’m not sure giving the team to a rookie is the plan, but it could be.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1212 on: December 09, 2023, 10:35:59 AM »
You will never be sure that a guy is Peyton Manning on draft day.  The guys who drafted Peyton Manning weren't sure he was Peyton Manning on draft day.

If you use that logic consistently you will never make a draft pick.
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« Reply #1213 on: December 09, 2023, 10:36:24 AM »
Peyton Manning was a can’t miss (provided health).
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1214 on: December 09, 2023, 10:36:52 AM »
Just as MHJ is a can’t miss (provided health).
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