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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1110 on: December 08, 2023, 06:11:13 PM »
He was giving his educated opinion. Sorry if I said something that might have tripped you up (and pointed it out a page ago).
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1111 on: December 08, 2023, 06:11:40 PM »
But at no point did I say the Bears told him what they were doing.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1112 on: December 08, 2023, 06:14:00 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 06:10:20 PM
I even fucking pointed out what I said that probably “tripped you up.” All I said is that he said they probably already have their minds made up, and I was trying to say that sounds logical. At no point did I say The Bears told him what they were going to do. And that isn’t what he was saying at all. He specifically said he didn’t know, but that he’d seen enough to stick with Fields, at least for now.

Okay.

I believe that he believes it too.  He just has no way of knowing, so him believing it or me believing he believes it aren't things that are really relevant or valuable.  That's what tripped me up - there's obviously no reason not to believe his unevidenced opinion is actually something he believes.

I'm not some fan of Brad Biggs or anything, but you've got to admit it's kind of funny that you've latched onto Aikman, who has no way of knowing what the Bears are thinking, but totally disregarded Biggs, who is a Bears beat guy and assumedly actually does have sources with some level of knowledge what the Bears are thinking.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1113 on: December 08, 2023, 06:14:14 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 08, 2023, 05:57:33 PM
What is there to 'believe'?

He was giving his totally unevidenced, unsupported opinion.

I believe he thinks the Bears have made up their mind too, I guess, but he doesn't know anything you and I don't so who gives a shit what he believes?

Sorry I used the word “believe,” I will try to do better to use exactly the proper word in every situation from on. And again, at no point did I say The Bears told him what they were doing. Which was your initial beef. I said “he believes,” which I thought should be pretty explanatory.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1114 on: December 08, 2023, 06:14:41 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 06:11:40 PM
But at no point did I say the Bears told him what they were doing.

Surely you see why I read the post that way.  I believe he believes what he said too - I'm not sure why he'd say it otherwise - that just isn't really relevant.
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« Reply #1115 on: December 08, 2023, 06:14:59 PM »
I never once said he fucking KNEW. JFC
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1116 on: December 08, 2023, 06:15:36 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 06:14:14 PM
Sorry I used the word “believe,” I will try to do better to use exactly the proper word in every situation from on. And again, at no point did I say The Bears told him what they were doing. Which was your initial beef. I said “he believes,” which I thought should be pretty explanatory.

But again, what tripped me up is that you made a comment about whether YOU believed Aikman.  I believe he believes what he said too, we're in agreement on that.  It's just a weird comment.
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« Reply #1117 on: December 08, 2023, 06:15:58 PM »
I’m pretty sure I even pointed it out a few days ago that he specifically said he DIDNT know, he just he got the feeling they like Fields based on conversations he’s had.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1118 on: December 08, 2023, 06:16:07 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 06:14:59 PM
I never once said he fucking KNEW. JFC

Then what did you believe him about?  You made it clear you saw no reason not to believe him.  About what specifically?  Can you clarify that?
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« Reply #1119 on: December 08, 2023, 06:17:12 PM »
He specifically said he didn’t know, and that they wouldn’t tell him if they did. He was just giving an educated guess that they probably already know what they will do.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1120 on: December 08, 2023, 06:17:32 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 06:17:12 PM
He specifically said he didn’t know, and that they wouldn’t tell them. He was just giving an educated guess that they probably already know what they will do.

So what do you "see no reason not to believe him" about, specifically?
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« Reply #1121 on: December 08, 2023, 06:19:24 PM »
I will say, I would be very surprised if they truly knew what they were going to do and it didn't at all depend on how the rest of the season goes.

It's possible, but that would be shocking (and pretty poor management) IMO.
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« Reply #1122 on: December 08, 2023, 06:19:30 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 08, 2023, 06:16:07 PM
Then what did you believe him about?  You made it clear you saw no reason not to believe him.  About what specifically?  Can you clarify that?

Sorry, I should have used a better phrase than “I believe him.” But I thought I was pretty clear on what I was saying. I’ll try to say it better. I think his OPINION that they probably already know what they will do is a valid one. Better???
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1123 on: December 08, 2023, 06:20:21 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 06:19:30 PM
Sorry, I should have used a better phrase than “I believe him.” But I thought I was pretty clear on what I was saying. I’ll try to say it better. I think his OPINION that they probably already know what they will do is a valid one. Better???

Sure.  It's as valid as you or me saying that they probably don't know what they will do.
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« Reply #1124 on: December 08, 2023, 06:20:57 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 08, 2023, 06:19:24 PM
I will say, I would be very surprised if they truly knew what they were going to do and it didn't at all depend on how the rest of the season goes.

It's possible, but that would be shocking (and pretty poor management) IMO.

I would guess a dramatic shift one way or the other could swing things (plays great/plays terrible), but I put credence in the notion they already likely know what they will do.
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