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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #855 on: December 04, 2023, 10:29:35 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 10:17:39 PM
Did you not say “good quarterbacks overcome adverse situations (paraphrasing but noting unfair there IMO), and then mentions a bunch of fringe quarterbacks along with multiple veterans and Super Bowl quarterbacks and say “they’re playing about as well as our QB?”

What do I have wrong there?

Well, for one thing - you're conflating two comments.  Yes, good QBs overcome adverse situations.  Those just weren't the QBs I listed.

As I mentioned - I pretty intentionally didn't list better QBs that I didn't think were fair to compare with Fields.  I was trying to be fair to him.  The top QBs have had drops and injuries on their offense too - the Chiefs and Cowboys and Bills have all dropped more passes than the Bears, in fact the Chiefs and Cowboys are #1 and #2 in drops, but I didn't look them up because there's no point in comparing Fields to Pat Mahomes or Dak or Josh Allen.

The list was supposed to be of guys who you would not trade Fields for, but who have had injuries on the line, drops, etc. and still produced.  Russell Wilson might be a Hall of Famer, but my guess is you wouldn't trade Justin Fields for him in 2023.  He's 35 years old and was terrible last year.
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« Reply #856 on: December 05, 2023, 03:39:56 AM »
You thought Stafford and Wilson (and even Goff) were “fair” comparisons to Fields?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #857 on: December 05, 2023, 03:41:02 AM »
You thought about listing Mahomes, Prescott and Allen because they “have more drops?”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #858 on: December 05, 2023, 03:43:37 AM »
No, I wouldn’t trade Fields for a 35 year old back end of his career Russell Wilson. But he’s still FAR more experienced, has a HOF coach, and very serviceable weapons.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #859 on: December 05, 2023, 08:44:56 AM »
Yes, Russell Wilson was awful last year (trust me, I know I had him on my fantasy team), but his numbers this year are significantly better. So maybe that means it was an ill-fitted system, getting assimilated, and bad coaching. He doesn’t have those same problems now. Ironic, that Luke Getsy’s boss didn’t last a single year in Denver. Or is it?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #860 on: December 05, 2023, 08:47:07 AM »
Should’ve known better my bad.

If you think that level of play is going to justify a $100+m contract have at it.  I don’t think paying a huge price for average play is a good strategy but maybe it is.
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« Reply #861 on: December 05, 2023, 08:48:54 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 05, 2023, 08:47:07 AM
Should’ve known better my bad.

If you think that level of play is going to justify a $100+m contract have at it.  I don’t think paying a huge price for average play is a good strategy but maybe it is.

Where did I say that? And didn’t you cite him as someone who’s overcome adversity? I said he’s been a lot better than last year, which is a very low bar.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #862 on: December 05, 2023, 08:50:11 AM »
If I thought he was worth all that money I’d have said yes, I’d take him over Fields. This version of Russell? No. He’s pretty clearly well into his back nine.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #863 on: December 05, 2023, 08:51:27 AM »
So wait, you talking Fields? Because Russell is 245 million, not 100.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #864 on: December 05, 2023, 08:58:13 AM »
I’m in a reconciliatory mood, so if you want to attempt to reboot this conversation, I’m game.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #865 on: December 05, 2023, 09:31:38 AM »
I don’t.
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« Reply #866 on: December 05, 2023, 09:58:28 AM »
Alrighty then.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #867 on: December 05, 2023, 09:59:30 AM »
So did you say Fields was “average?” Or am I drawing too much? Average despite tough circumstances. No chance to get better?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #868 on: December 05, 2023, 10:08:35 AM »
And I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I wouldn’t put “a few too many drops,” in the category of bad roster, questionable coaching, limited playing time with many new teammates partially due to injuries, and general organizational ineptness. But that’s me.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #869 on: December 05, 2023, 12:39:59 PM »
Wow. Only took 4 days to run Spark off this time.

Nice job, Tempo! You're becoming more efficient.
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