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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #405 on: December 02, 2023, 05:12:53 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 02, 2023, 04:20:55 PM
It's always funny when you completely handwave a particular argument consistently, and then end up having to make the same argument later.

Example?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #406 on: December 02, 2023, 05:15:08 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2023, 05:10:01 PM
So far his floor is a way more athletic Derek Carr, who’s been a 10 year starter in this league. Can’t tell me you’d rather have Derek Carr, but then again, you judge offense by the number of sacks given up.

Carr, who I think is a solid but not great QB in the NFL, has had numerous seasons considerably better than even this current half-season Fields is having (his peak thusfar).  Where do you get this stuff?

You keep saying stuff about "his floor" and then describing QBs who have been both better and more consistent than Fields in their career.
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« Reply #407 on: December 02, 2023, 05:16:29 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2023, 05:12:53 PM
Example?

Like, when you get fussy that people point out the two game stretch you're hanging your hat on in this debate was against the worst passing D in the league and a team that had been within a FG of giving up the NFL all time single game scoring record a week before, but then you mock Trubisky's two game stretch because it happened against bad defenses.

Justin Fields' two-game stretch you're putting so much weight on also happened against bad defenses, but you don't think that's relevant re: Fields.
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« Reply #408 on: December 02, 2023, 05:16:46 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 02, 2023, 04:00:57 PM
Just for clarity's sake though, this is a prediction list.  This was asking players coming into this season who they thought the top-100 players would be in 2023.

I’m not sure that’s the case. It’s the top 100 players at the end of 2022. I don’t see anything about “hey guys, give us your predictions!”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #409 on: December 02, 2023, 05:18:12 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2023, 05:16:46 PM
I’m not sure that’s the case. It’s the top 100 players at the end of 2022. I don’t see anything about “hey guys, give us your predictions!”

It's from a list of players published in August called ""The Top 100 Players of 2023".  It's a prediction of who the players thought would be the 100 best players this year.

""The Top 100 Players of 2023" -- voted on by the players themselves -- is underway on NFL+! The series concludes with a two-hour live show -- "The Top 100 Players of 2023: The Top 10" -- on Monday, Aug. 7, on NFL+."

https://www.nfl.com/news/top-100-players-of-2023-nos-90-81-tagovailoa-hopkins-fields-hutchinson
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« Reply #410 on: December 02, 2023, 05:19:41 PM »
I don’t see anything here about “next year, or give us your predictions!” It only makes sense the top players in 2022 would be the top players heading into 2023.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #411 on: December 02, 2023, 05:20:15 PM »
“Vote to determine the top players in the league.” Not “next year.”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #412 on: December 02, 2023, 05:22:53 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2023, 05:19:41 PM
I don’t see anything here about “next year, or give us your predictions!” It only makes sense the top players in 2022 would be the top players heading into 2023.



It's the title of the article.

"Top-100 Players of 2023".  It was published before the 2023 season began.  I can't imagine why you'd call it that if you were actually listing the best players of 2022, but I guess you could be right.

And no, it doesn't - predicting who will be better next year is different than saying who has been better this year.  It assumes, I would guess, big growth for young guys who appeared to have breakout years (like Fields).  I don't think Fields has really shown that big growth overall thusfar in 2023.
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« Reply #413 on: December 02, 2023, 05:23:05 PM »
That poll was taken last year. Because Danny Parkins has alluded to it multiple times for almost a year now. “OMG Danny Parkins instant loss of credibility!”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #414 on: December 02, 2023, 05:24:16 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2023, 05:23:05 PM
That poll was taken last year. Because Danny Parkins has alluded to it multiple times for almost a year now. “OMG Danny Parkins instant loss of credibility!”

I would assume it was taken between the seasons.
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« Reply #415 on: December 02, 2023, 05:26:24 PM »
Nm
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« Reply #416 on: December 02, 2023, 05:27:45 PM »
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« Reply #417 on: December 02, 2023, 05:28:13 PM »
“Last year.”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #418 on: December 02, 2023, 05:28:36 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2023, 05:27:45 PM


Doesn’t really make any difference now does it? He hasn’t done anything since.
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« Reply #419 on: December 02, 2023, 05:30:00 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 02, 2023, 05:28:36 PM
Doesn’t really make any difference now does it? He hasn’t done anything since.

Lulz nice pivot.
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