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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #105 on: November 30, 2023, 11:14:43 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 30, 2023, 11:11:33 AM
I wouldn’t have figured you for a “wins are a quarterback stat” guy. At all.

I am saying exactly the opposite of this.

You are the one tying a QB’s record to him as a prospect at the next level.  I am pointing out that that’s silly, and that if you apply that logic to both players there’s basically no way justify keeping Fields.

You want Maye’s record to count against him, and Fields’ record not to count against him.  That’s dumb.
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« Reply #106 on: November 30, 2023, 11:15:30 AM »
It’s probably just as likely Bo Nix or JJ McCarthy is a franchise quarterback.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #107 on: November 30, 2023, 11:16:29 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 30, 2023, 11:14:28 AM
If you draft Maye, you’d better be prepared for a rough couple of first years, because he doesn’t strike me  as win soon NFL starter.

Maybe so.  I’ve said a few times I am not qualified to make an evaluation like that really.  I just think it’s funny that you’re willing to write off the actual scouts’ evaluation of a guy because he’s 4-4 against the ACC this year to hang onto a guy who is 7-26 in 34 starts.
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« Reply #108 on: November 30, 2023, 11:16:38 AM »
I don’t think Williams or Maye are a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #109 on: November 30, 2023, 11:17:58 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on November 30, 2023, 11:16:29 AM
Maybe so.  I’ve said a few times I am not qualified to make an evaluation like that really.  I just think it’s funny that you’re willing to write off the actual scouts’ evaluation of a guy because he’s 4-4 against the ACC this year to hang onto a guy who is 7-26 in 34 starts.

I’m not. He’s got the tools, but I don’t  think he’s necessarily a safe pick by any means. Trubisky had the tools.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #110 on: November 30, 2023, 11:18:50 AM »
Just like PAMan, going with the career record. Totally ignoring that last year he was completely set up to fail.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #111 on: November 30, 2023, 11:19:25 AM »
No quarterback in the NFL was set up worse than Justin Fields.
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« Reply #112 on: November 30, 2023, 11:19:50 AM »
He is 2-6 this year if that makes you feel better about it
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« Reply #113 on: November 30, 2023, 11:21:06 AM »
Again, I never figured you for a “wins are a quarterback stat,” guy. But if your record in a middling conference is middling, that could mean something.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #114 on: November 30, 2023, 11:22:16 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 30, 2023, 11:21:06 AM
Again, I never figured you for a “wins are a quarterback stat,” guy. But if your record in a middling conference is middling, that could mean something.

One of us brought up wins as a QB stat, and the other pointed out how silly that was and how it undercut the point he was trying to make.

You can pretend I was the first guy if you want but I was not.

If having a middling record “means something”, I’m fine with that - there’s just no way to justify keeping Fields if you believe that.  I tend to think there are a lot of other factors to consider and tying a QB’s record to him is a bad idea.  Fields’ W/L record isn’t why I want to move on from him - you’re the one that brought it up.
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« Reply #115 on: November 30, 2023, 11:23:14 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on November 30, 2023, 11:19:50 AM
He is 2-6 this year if that makes you feel better about it

Again, totally ignoring that they have 30 new players who hadn’t played together and were behind the 8 ball with injuries as early as training camp. Chase Claypool turned out to be an enormous asset, though.

Let me guess, you blame him for the Denver and Detroit collapses, too?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #116 on: November 30, 2023, 11:26:53 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 30, 2023, 11:23:14 AM
Again, totally ignoring that they have 30 new players who hadn’t played together and were behind the 8 ball with injuries as early as training camp. Chase Claypool turned out to be an enormous asset, though.

Let me guess, you blame him for the Denver and Detroit collapses, too?

Nope, I don’t.  I blame him for the Denver game being one of two undeniably good games he’s had at QB this year (characteristic game ending fumble notwithstanding).  I blame him for that being such an obvious outlier in his career.  I don’t blame him for the defense giving up 35 points to the Broncos or whatever they gave up.

I do not think wins are a very good QB stat overall, which is why I pushed back when you used it to try to evaluate a QB prospect.
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« Reply #117 on: November 30, 2023, 11:27:49 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on November 30, 2023, 11:14:43 AM
I am saying exactly the opposite of this.


Yet you’ve referred to Fields’ career record like 3x now?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #118 on: November 30, 2023, 11:29:15 AM »
But yes, I think it should be easier for a future NFL franchise quarterback to elevate his college team. College is easier. By a lot.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #119 on: November 30, 2023, 11:29:52 AM »
I do love how when I posted Fields’ career record you were like “LOL just like PAMAN you use career record when he was set up to fail last year”, and then when I used just this season’s record you came up with another excuse why that also doesn’t count.  Still the same Tempo I remember.
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