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Illini All-Disappointment Team

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Illini All-Disappointment Team
« on: November 11, 2023, 03:08:32 PM »
Liberty, Leonard, Richmond, Head (Crandall), Hawkins. Obviously, a couple of those guys weren’t terrible, but they came nowhere close to living up to their billing. Head was easily the worst production wise.

Who ya got?

Alex Legion captains the 2nd team.
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Re: Illini All-Disappointment Team
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2023, 03:10:26 PM »
Darius Paul. Jamar Smith
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Re: Illini All-Disappointment Team
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2023, 03:12:41 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on November 11, 2023, 03:10:26 PM
Darius Paul. Jamar Smith

Solid choices. Especially Jamar.
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Re: Illini All-Disappointment Team
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2023, 03:13:55 PM »
Darius was with the team two times and I don’t think he even got into a game, did he? Spent like 3 years with the program lol
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Re: Illini All-Disappointment Team
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2023, 03:15:08 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 11, 2023, 03:13:55 PM
Darius was with the team two times and I don’t think he even got into a game, did he? Spent like 3 years with the program lol

And got tackled by a female security guard
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Re: Illini All-Disappointment Team
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2023, 08:20:29 AM »
News along these lines, disappointment that is:

Adam Miller was not granted waiver to play for ASU this year. He will sit
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Re: Illini All-Disappointment Team
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2023, 08:37:33 AM »
Part of me wants to put Curbelo. After his freshman year he was the next big thing

Crandall Head, Richmond, Curbelo,

Wasn't Aaron Cosby suppose to be a 3 point specialist? Or was it Starks? Neither of them were great from 3 though
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Re: Illini All-Disappointment Team
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2023, 10:19:21 AM »
Don't forget Billy Morris.  That was the beginning of the end for Harv.
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Re: Illini All-Disappointment Team
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2023, 10:24:34 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on December 10, 2023, 08:20:29 AM
News along these lines, disappointment that is:

Adam Miller was not granted waiver to play for ASU this year. He will sit

Yes this. He got some really bad advice from his mom and circle of people. Now his hope for the NBA is pretty much over. His mom ruined his career.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2023, 10:53:02 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 10, 2023, 10:24:34 AM
Yes this. He got some really bad advice from his mom and circle of people. Now his hope for the NBA is pretty much over. His mom ruined his career.

Same with Alan Griffin. Listened to his mom and went to Syracuse instead of listening to his dad, a NBA assistant coach.

Also just found out his 2 year old son died this year. That's rough, hope he's holding up ok
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2023, 10:55:44 AM »
Quote from: Bradford3 on December 10, 2023, 10:53:02 AM
Same with Alan Griffin. Listened to his mom and went to Syracuse instead of listening to his dad, a NBA assistant coach.

Also just found out his 2 year old son died this year. That's rough, hope he's holding up ok

He had some extremely different circumstances though. He almost had to leave. I heard there was some female problems and possible legal ones. I could be wrong though. Maybe some others have more insight. Miller just left because his mom wanted him to be a star and ruined it for absolutely no reason.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2023, 11:24:57 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on November 11, 2023, 03:08:32 PM
Liberty, Leonard, Richmond, Head (Crandall), Hawkins. Obviously, a couple of those guys weren’t terrible, but they came nowhere close to living up to their billing. Head was easily the worst production wise.

Who ya got?

Alex Legion captains the 2nd team.

I'm sure everyone here will disagree with me on this, but I don't think Hawkins deserves to be on this list.  I know Meyers Leonard doesn't.

Hawkins was a 3* recruit, 167th overall, 38th at his position.  He's a frustrating player, but it's not because he hasn't lived up to that 3*/top-200 recruit "billing" - it's because it's clear watching him that his ceiling is far higher than that and that if he could ever put the mental part of his game together he could be an all conference guy and an NBA pick.  I can't hold against a guy that he didn't far outplay his "billing" just because I think he has that potential, though - we've gotten more out of Hawkins than I think we could've reasonably expected when we got him onboard.

Meyers Leonard averaged 13.6ppg and 8.2rpg as a true sophomore, and then left because he was a lottery pick.
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2023, 11:28:23 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 11:24:57 AM
I'm sure everyone here will disagree with me on this, but I don't think Hawkins deserves to be on this list.  I know Meyers Leonard doesn't.

Hawkins was a 3* recruit, 167th overall, 38th at his position.  He's a frustrating player, but it's not because he hasn't lived up to that 3*/top-200 recruit "billing" - it's because it's clear watching him that his ceiling is far higher than that and that if he could ever put the mental part of his game together he could be an all conference guy and an NBA pick.  I can't hold against a guy that he didn't far outplay his "billing" just because I think he has that potential, though - we've gotten more out of Hawkins than I think we could've reasonably expected when we got him onboard.

Meyers Leonard averaged 13.6ppg and 8.2rpg as a true sophomore, and then left because he was a lottery pick.

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2023, 12:02:54 PM »
Quote from: ridingthegrange on December 10, 2023, 10:19:21 AM
Don't forget Billy Morris.  That was the beginning of the end for Harv.
I had forgotten about him. Yes, started Harv's end for coaching the Illini.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2023, 12:10:00 PM »
gotta agree about hawkins, a middling 3 star recruit with some nba chatter about him by his 4th year isn't exactly disappointing

our fans expectations of him are way too high.  He's a pretty good college player.  I mean he's started for like 4 years now for a pretty big time program.  If he's the best player on your team you got problems though that's for sure.
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