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2023-24 College Basketball thread

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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #225 on: November 26, 2023, 10:11:01 PM »
Quote from: Beach Bum on November 26, 2023, 09:13:41 PM
Melendez, the one dude who went to LSU and broke something, the other Puerto Rican guy who went to St Johns and sucked and left again.

Seems a recurring theme with guys who left that thought they should have been better even though they were given a lot of PT here and had some success here.

Pods is different since he wasn't given an opportunity here, that's a mistake unlike the three above.

Melendez showed some flashes as a frosh. Was playing injured as soph for us and lost confidence and couldn't shoot. Team culture was a total fucking mess which didn't help.  Looks like he is in a bad head place again.
Miller had bad advice from his family which thought he was a one and done talent. Was decent at times for sure as a freshmen. Had injury year. Was streaky as fuck at LSU and either hot or cold- mostly cold. Now his eligibility for another transfer is in dispute at ASU.
He might turn out to be pretty good.

Curbelo is a just a pretty fucked up talented kid. Was out of control except for about a month his freshmen year in second half. Then he looked like a future star at times.
Got hurt and was messed up for weeks. Rumors about off court issues, drug use, and attitude issues. Also now on second transfer at Southern Miss and not allowed to play yet.
When he is good he is special but that was always rare.


Epps is the guy that I wished we could have worked through whatever the fuck was going on. Had obvious natural scoring ability. Was in middle of total shitshow last year and I am sure both he and UW were both at fault for the bad relationship.
Was apparently pretty defiant but UW can be and was a fucking ass.

Oh, and the Podz thing...... this staff........

I am pretty sure there is plenty of fodder for serious negative recruiting and it had an impact on the total whiff this summer.

Put a more mature bought in Epps on this team who plays a little defense and we are in very good shape.
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #226 on: November 26, 2023, 10:20:42 PM »
I read something here or on TOS about Matt Mayer publicly commenting on Epps being hospitalized and not sure if he’d be okay? Apparently it was memory holed and never talked about again. Anyone know what I’m talking about? I was super excited about him coming in…not sure what happened but he really struggled down the stretch last year. Couldn’t hit water from a boat. But that’s often times the case with freshmen hitting the wall playing big minutes in the B1G grind. But something definitely happened and it didn’t seem like he and UW were on the same page.

Melendez just lost whatever mojo he played with his freshman year and wasn’t even close to the same guy again. Who knows what happened there?

I’m pretty much in the same camp as Spark is on the Podz situation. He didn’t play much on a B1G championship team as a frosh behind some super seniors. The staff wanted him to come back, but they’d recruited some pretty solid guards so he decided to move on to a place he could be The Guy. He put a ton of work in, and the rest is history. He wouldn’t have helped us much but for one year maybe anyways.

Most of the guys that have left or been run off haven’t done much elsewhere. The whiff on PG this offseason was colossal and will certainly be this team’s limiting factor. We are going to have to kill it in the portal after this season to remain competitive.
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #227 on: November 26, 2023, 11:39:27 PM »
Dainja, Hansberry, Goode, Harris, Rodgers, Gibbs-Lawhorn, and Moretti could all be back next year. They'll add Johnson, Jackstys, and Butler.
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #228 on: November 27, 2023, 12:14:12 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 26, 2023, 11:39:27 PM
Dainja, Hansberry, Goode, Harris, Rodgers, Gibbs-Lawhorn, and Moretti could all be back next year. They'll add Johnson, Jackstys, and Butler.

I agree with Custard that we will have to really hit the portal again.
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #229 on: November 27, 2023, 05:09:05 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on November 27, 2023, 12:14:12 AM
I agree with Custard that we will have to really hit the portal again.

A familiar chorus for sure.
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #230 on: November 27, 2023, 05:59:40 AM »
Guy on Loyalty says Epp's stats don't matter because Georgetown is bad and only beats tems near 300 rank on Kenpom


Yet he's only taken 8 more shots than Shannon and Illinois ha sonly beaten teams near 300 in ken pom
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #231 on: November 27, 2023, 07:51:17 AM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on November 27, 2023, 05:59:40 AM
Guy on Loyalty says Epp's stats don't matter because Georgetown is bad and only beats tems near 300 rank on Kenpom


Yet he's only taken 8 more shots than Shannon and Illinois ha sonly beaten teams near 300 in ken pom


Lol. Loyalty is so completely full of shit.
I do hope we get things in track.

We will see what Hawkins and Domask show up and if we can execute in end game.
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #232 on: November 27, 2023, 08:55:13 AM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on November 27, 2023, 05:59:40 AM
Guy on Loyalty says Epp's stats don't matter because Georgetown is bad and only beats tems near 300 rank on Kenpom


Yet he's only taken 8 more shots than Shannon and Illinois ha sonly beaten teams near 300 in ken pom

Don't look past our big exhibition win
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #233 on: November 27, 2023, 10:09:21 AM »
Quote from: Beach Bum on November 27, 2023, 08:55:13 AM
Don't look past our big exhibition win

It was a pretty good win even with the weird rules. Kansas is really good.
But CH has not shown up since and Domask has been really passive.

Those two guys have to play well to beat any good teams.
We can overcome the just a guy thing at PG if the other four slots and Dainja and Goode contribute.
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #234 on: November 27, 2023, 11:42:14 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on November 27, 2023, 07:51:17 AM

Lol. Loyalty is so completely full of shit.


Pot meets kettle?
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #235 on: November 27, 2023, 11:51:23 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 27, 2023, 11:42:14 AM
Pot meets kettle?

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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #236 on: November 27, 2023, 12:01:17 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on November 27, 2023, 12:14:12 AM
I agree with Custard that we will have to really hit the portal again.

I agree with hit, not sure about really. Pretty much everyone is hitting the portal.

Bigs: Dainja, Johnson, Hansberry, Jackstys.

Wings: Goode, Rodgers, Harris

Guards: DGL, Moretti, Butler

Assuming no attrition, the most obvious needs would be another wing, and a serviceable point guard. Another big for depth?
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #237 on: November 27, 2023, 12:03:46 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on November 27, 2023, 11:51:23 AM
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HQ2 = pot
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #238 on: November 27, 2023, 12:19:03 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 27, 2023, 12:03:46 PM
HQ2 = pot

Is that Dan guy really going to allow you to pontificate about Moretti like you can here?
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Re: 2023-24 College Basketball thread
« Reply #239 on: November 27, 2023, 12:27:32 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 27, 2023, 12:01:17 PM
I agree with hit, not sure about really. Pretty much everyone is hitting the portal.

Bigs: Dainja, Johnson, Hansberry, Jackstys.

Wings: Goode, Rodgers, Harris

Guards: DGL, Moretti, Butler

Assuming no attrition, the most obvious needs would be another wing, and a serviceable point guard. Another big for depth?

I feel like posting this roster just serves to highlight why we’ll need to be very reliant on the portal. Tons of question marks and guys with significant limitations. Almost no star power aside from Johnson and probably not as a freshman. DGL maybe? Anyways if I am a high level transfer player I’m not looking at this roster and having concerns about playing time, I’ll put it that way.

Some decent pieces but nowhere near where the personnel needs to be to maintain or improve on what we’ve seen the past 4 seasons. Need to have better prep classes than 15th-30th and some of those guys need to stick around and pan out. Granted we could have taken a 6 man class like Purdue did this year and inflate our rankings but that’s not ideal either.

Like the mix of preps and transfers as a concept if you can reliably blend personalities and manage the turnover and related chemistry issues.
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