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Re: Bears/Rams
« Reply #120 on: September 14, 2021, 09:45:27 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 14, 2021, 08:17:34 PM
Your point is “no one wins without good players.” What a fucking brilliant point. A totally useless comment we’ve spent way too much time debating.

My point is that it's stupid to try to separate a coach's results from its roster, as if a 'bad roster' or 'good roster' affects the evaluation of the coach, rather than wins and losses.  I've stated it clearly many many times.
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« Reply #121 on: September 14, 2021, 09:49:22 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on September 14, 2021, 09:45:27 PM
My point is that it's stupid to try to separate a coach's results from its roster, as if a 'bad roster' or 'good roster' affects the evaluation of the coach, rather than wins and losses.  I've stated it clearly many many times.

It’s not hard when it’s a one-off like Nagy. It’s totally doable. I mean, the Beatles had a lot of hits, but didn’t the Bay City Rollers really crush it for a short while?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #122 on: September 14, 2021, 09:53:39 PM »
You’re basically making the argument that only wins and losses matter, even in a very short window. For a couple of years, Mike Ditka was on Belichick’s level as a coach, amirite?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #123 on: September 14, 2021, 10:00:31 PM »
I remember when Chip Kelly was a great NFL coach.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #124 on: September 14, 2021, 10:09:01 PM »
The notion that it’s impossible to separate a coach from his win/loss record (in a short window) is preposterous. We all saw that Mike Ditka (among others) wasn’t that great of a coach once he no longer had overwhelming talent.

Now if a guy like Belichick or Bill Cowher has a long record of winning, of course. You can’t separate them
from their records.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #125 on: September 14, 2021, 10:33:41 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on September 14, 2021, 06:34:56 PM
the Jobu meltdown on the side is pretty funny too

The cherry on top, if you will.
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« Reply #126 on: September 14, 2021, 10:37:18 PM »
Who remembers when Barry Switzer was a great NFL coach?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #127 on: September 14, 2021, 10:43:19 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on September 14, 2021, 08:32:30 PM
I’m not letting this shit go. If PA man can bring it up constantly, by fucking god I can too

It has been enjoyable.
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« Reply #128 on: September 14, 2021, 11:07:13 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 14, 2021, 10:43:19 PM
It has been enjoyable.

He’s right though; regarding the Mack trade, I was AOTC.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #129 on: September 14, 2021, 11:54:37 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 14, 2021, 10:00:31 PM
I remember when Chip Kelly was a great NFL coach.

college coach?
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« Reply #130 on: September 15, 2021, 12:00:34 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on September 14, 2021, 11:54:37 PM
college coach?

Nah man, he made the playoffs his first year in Philly (but got bounced first round though). Which means he was a terrific NFL coach. It was kinda reminiscent of Belichick. For like a year or so.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #131 on: September 15, 2021, 12:02:34 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 15, 2021, 12:00:34 AM
Nah man, he made the playoffs his first year in Philly (but got bounced first round though). Which means he was a terrific NFL coach. It was kinda reminiscent of Belichick. For like a year or so.

oh I had totally forgot about that lol

was that during the Marc Trestman era of NFL football that I was so engaged with?
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« Reply #132 on: September 15, 2021, 09:02:46 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 15, 2021, 12:00:34 AM
Nah man, he made the playoffs his first year in Philly (but got bounced first round though). Which means he was a terrific NFL coach. It was kinda reminiscent of Belichick. For like a year or so.

Why would anyone continue discussing this when you when you talk past them, misrepresent (or, I suppose, misunderstand) what they're saying, etc.?  You're not capable of discussing this in good faith.

If it's about demanding your 'credit' for being 'AOTC', then sure - have it.  Congrats, you were ahead of the curve as usual.
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« Reply #133 on: September 15, 2021, 09:09:36 AM »
I think I’ve made it pretty clear that mediocre or worse coaches sometimes have good seasons, so yes, you CAN separate a coach from
his record. In a short window. If a coach has a consistent record of winning, yes, that would be a case where it’s stupid to separate him from his record. If Barry Switzer can win a Super Bowl, bad coaches can have a good year or two.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #134 on: September 15, 2021, 09:11:19 AM »
Ditka had a great 4-5 year run, but once he no longer had overwhelming talent; he was exposed.
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