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Let's talk about something we all can agree on...

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3195 on: January 22, 2026, 09:37:42 AM »
The market has obviously changed and putting artifical caps won't help

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #3196 on: January 22, 2026, 09:38:08 AM »
A lot of “commie” countries on this lists. I’ve heard it reported that abortions are free in Israel.



Of course they're happy. We have been footing the bill for defense and keeping the peace since 1945.

That's all about to change due to Trump. The world is going to be a far more dangerous place with our actions
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3197 on: January 22, 2026, 09:38:44 AM »
LOL

Feel free to work to elect people who want a 91% tax rate. Or you could just be a whiner online. We all know which one you will pick.
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« Reply #3198 on: January 22, 2026, 09:40:04 AM »
Feel free to work to elect people who want a 91% tax rate. Or you could just be a whiner online. We all know which one you will pick.

I didn’t say we should go back to that. Just that we weren’t “commies” in the 50s when we had MUCH GREATER tax rates
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #3199 on: January 22, 2026, 10:28:53 AM »
I didn’t say we should go back to that. Just that we weren’t “commies” in the 50s when we had MUCH GREATER tax rates

Tax rates enacted by the US legislative branch and signed off on by the executive is not "communism."
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« Reply #3200 on: January 22, 2026, 01:03:17 PM »
LOL
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3201 on: January 22, 2026, 01:31:42 PM »
Tax rates enacted by the US legislative branch and signed off on by the executive is not "communism."

US tax rates were high in the 1950s primarily due to significant government funding needs for defense (Korean War) and infrastructure, leading to high statutory marginal rates, including a top rate of 91%, though effective rates for the wealthy were lower due to deductions and loopholes, while the overall system financed a prosperous era with strong economic growth and rising middle class.

Reasons for High Statutory Rates:
Korean War Funding: Post-WWII, the Truman administration sought major tax increases (like the 1951 Revenue Act) to cover substantial budget deficits and finance defense spending.

National Priorities: High rates supported big government spending on infrastructure, defense, and social programs (such as paying for veterans' college), fostering an era of shared prosperity.

Nuances of "High" Rates:
Marginal vs. Effective: The 91% marginal rate applied only to very high incomes (over $200k, or ~$2M today), and few paid that rate on all their income; many effective rates were much lower (around 42-60%) due to loopholes and deductions.

Economic Growth: Despite high rates, the 1950s saw strong economic growth (averaging 4.2% annually) with low unemployment and a growing middle class.

Tax Code Structure: The code allowed for significant tax avoidance and lower reported income at the top, meaning high statutory rates didn't always translate to massive collections from the wealthy.

Key Takeaway:
While statutory rates were extremely high, especially for the top earners, the reality was a mix of post-war defense financing, significant economic investment, and a tax code with loopholes that meant actual taxes paid by the rich were considerably lower than the headline figures, contributing to a period of broad economic growth.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3202 on: January 22, 2026, 01:34:39 PM »
No, the 91% tax rate in the 1950s was the U.S. marginal income tax rate, not communism; it was a feature of American capitalism during the Cold War, though few actually paid that rate due to loopholes, and was partly accepted by elites fearing communism would spread, notes American Enterprise Institute. The high statutory rate was on very high incomes (e.g., over $200,000, about $2 million today) and had many deductions, meaning effective rates were much lower, around 50-60%.

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Marginal vs. Effective: The 91% was the top marginal rate, applied only to the highest slice of income, not the total income, says City-County Observer.

Tax Code Loopholes: Many deductions, exemptions, and loopholes drastically lowered the effective tax rate for the wealthy, with actual payments often around 50-60% for top earners, notes American Enterprise Institute.

Cold War Context: These high rates funded military spending during the Cold War and were accepted by some elites who feared the alternative was communism, writes Jacobin.

Economic Growth: The era also saw significant economic growth, with high taxes funding defense and some domestic programs, says Jacobin.

In essence, it was a feature of post-war American capitalism, not communism, with complex rules that meant few paid the theoretical maximum, notes City-County Observer.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3203 on: January 22, 2026, 01:37:06 PM »
Can't believe that Hal disagrees with Tempo. Shocking.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3204 on: January 22, 2026, 01:38:25 PM »
“Considerably lower” than 91% is fine.

The corporate tax rate is about 30-35% less today than it was then. In 1956 one man with a half-ass job could support a family of 5 or 6.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #3205 on: January 22, 2026, 04:27:02 PM »
“Considerably lower” than 91% is fine.

The corporate tax rate is about 30-35% less today than it was then. In 1956 one man with a half-ass job could support a family of 5 or 6.

Yeah, because working class people lived modestly, they had modest homes, not 4500 square-foot  McMansions. They didn’t DoorDash a 10 dollar burrito for $30 so they didn’t have to stop playing their video games. They didn’t have TVs in every room and $1000 cell phones and $120 cable bills and laptops. They usually only had one vehicle or took the bus or train. Air conditioning was a rarity. Many used cheap wood or coal to heat their homes. Property taxes were way lower. Sales tax was much lower or nonexistent.

The rich still pay the vast majority of taxes and almost half the country doesn’t pay income tax at all. I got my W2 yesterday and about threw up when I saw my deductions for the year.
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« Reply #3206 on: January 22, 2026, 04:33:27 PM »
Yeah, because working class people lived modestly, they had modest homes, not 4500 square-foot  McMansions. They didn’t DoorDash a 10 dollar burrito for $30 so they didn’t have to stop playing their video games. They didn’t have TVs in every room and $1000 cell phones and $120 cable bills and laptops.

They also weren't buried in record debt. And just in case you didn't know this, cellphones and laptops didn't exist in the 50s.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #3207 on: January 22, 2026, 04:34:19 PM »
They also weren't buried in record debt. And just in case you didn't know this, cellphones and laptops didn't exist in the 50s.

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This despite most households bringing in at least two incomes as opposed to one in the 50s
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #3208 on: January 22, 2026, 04:35:13 PM »
Doordash wasn't a thing yet, either
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #3209 on: January 22, 2026, 04:39:19 PM »
Tempo wasn't a thing yet, either.
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