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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1320 on: July 01, 2026, 12:39:31 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 01, 2026, 11:11:41 AM
They won't let them in over there? Our programs are better than theirs? Ask the Cubans who are here and who hate socialism?

LOLOLfuckingL
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1321 on: July 01, 2026, 02:04:36 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on July 01, 2026, 12:39:31 PM
LOLOLfuckingL

You can laugh all you want but the EU is getting tougher on letting people in these days.
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« Reply #1322 on: July 01, 2026, 02:05:43 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 01, 2026, 02:04:36 PM
You can laugh all you want but the EU is getting tougher on letting people in these days.

That’s not what I was laughing at.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1323 on: July 01, 2026, 02:08:28 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 01, 2026, 11:28:05 AM
Cuba - not socialist

Odd that "Socialism" is never "socialism."
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« Reply #1324 on: July 01, 2026, 02:10:02 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on July 01, 2026, 02:05:43 PM
That’s not what I was laughing at.

So they want air conditioning and the chance to be successful over Death Panels?
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« Reply #1325 on: July 02, 2026, 09:54:11 AM »
The one thing that everyone, including economists, can agree on is that Socialism means state owned means of production.

You can find some sources that might say a social safety net or government bailout has elements of Socialism, but most don’t.

Yet here we have Tempo LOfuckingLing people who refuse to blindly accept his nebulous personal definitions of what Socialism is. And the one thing he never points to is *actual* Socialism.
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« Reply #1326 on: July 02, 2026, 09:58:26 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 01, 2026, 10:36:17 AM
Amusing part of this "socialism" debate. Custard says "yeah man, not socialism"

Last night Mike Johnson gets on stage and whines that there is a cottage industry of people coming to the US to have babies so they will be citizens and rely on the welfare state.

Why the fuck would they come here, a place with "not socialism" instead of going to these socialist utopias? If we aren't socialist, then he's pointing at a non problem

The US and Canada are the only wealthy nations that have birthright citizenship.
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« Reply #1327 on: July 02, 2026, 10:41:27 AM »
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« Reply #1328 on: July 02, 2026, 12:17:22 PM »
Quote from: Custard on July 02, 2026, 09:54:11 AM
The one thing that everyone, including economists, can agree on is that Socialism means state owned means of production.


That’s the traditional (but not only) meaning of the word, yes.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1329 on: July 02, 2026, 12:28:31 PM »
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« Reply #1330 on: July 02, 2026, 12:28:46 PM »
Merriam-Webster definition #1.

socialism
noun
so·​cial·​ism ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm How to pronounce socialism (audio)
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socialism
noun
so·​cial·​ism ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm How to pronounce socialism (audio)
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1
: any of various egalitarian economic and political theories or movements advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
If modern socialism was born in 19th-century Europe, it was subsequently shaped by, and adapted to, a whole range of societies.
—Michael Newman
Socialism is about a change in the means of production—so that the people who do the work are the ones who make the decisions about what gets produced and how.
—Sarah Jaffe
 see also DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM, GUILD SOCIALISM, UTOPIAN SOCIALISM


Simple Definition
A Simple Definition is available from our Learner's Dictionary to help you understand the meaning faster.


Key words: various, theories (plural), collective, or,

democratic socialism
noun
: a political movement calling for the establishment of a decentralized socialist economic system within a democratically run political system


Again, when you get taxed (as you often do) and that tax money goes to the common good, your tax dollars are being “socialized.” Virtually everyone not weirdly attached to their 7th grade socials studies books acknowledges this.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1331 on: July 02, 2026, 12:32:53 PM »
Scope and Scale: Socialism is an umbrella term encompassing many different traditions (including democratic socialism, social democracy, and utopian socialism). Marxism is one distinct branch within this larger tradition.The Path to Change: Mainstream socialism often accepts reformist, gradual, and democratic transitions, aiming to improve working conditions while maintaining elements of a mixed economy. In contrast, Marxism argues that a revolution is necessary to overthrow capitalism.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1332 on: July 02, 2026, 01:59:50 PM »
The news cycle just never gets better for Israel.

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« Reply #1333 on: July 02, 2026, 02:40:19 PM »
 nb!!
Quote from: Reacher on July 02, 2026, 12:17:22 PM
That’s the traditional (but not only) meaning of the word, yes.

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Socialism is an economic and political philosophy where the community or the state collectively owns the means of production (e.g., factories, land, and resources). The goal is to replace the profit-driven free market with an egalitarian system where wealth and resources are distributed equitably based on human need rather than social class.

Any other definitions are bastardizations brought about because Socialism and Socialist share a whole word with programs, entitlements, government programs and interventions, etc and people can’t keep them straight. I used to be guilty of it myself.

I also think it’s somewhere intentional on the part of actual Socialists to let people assume every well-meant social program is Socialism. It furthers their cause amongst people who don’t know any better and want more safety net or handouts or whatever.  Two or three decades the vast majority of American people wouldn’t be caught dead attaching Socialist to their name, and for good reason.

So many of the things you have called Socialism cannot be Socialism because the means of production remain private. Social programs do not equal Socialism. It’s an important distinction.
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« Reply #1334 on: July 02, 2026, 02:54:29 PM »
Quote from: Custard on July 02, 2026, 02:40:19 PM
nb!!
Any other definitions are bastardizations brought about because Socialism and Socialist share a whole word with programs, entitlements, government programs and interventions, etc and people can’t keep them straight. I used to be guilty of it myself.

I also think it’s somewhere intentional on the part of actual Socialists to let people assume every well-meant social program is Socialism. It furthers their cause amongst people who don’t know any better and want more safety net or handouts or whatever.  Two or three decades the vast majority of American people wouldn’t be caught dead attaching Socialist to their name, and for good reason.

So many of the things you have called Socialism cannot be Socialism because the means of production remain private. Social programs do not equal Socialism. It’s an important distinction.

Good luck with Tempo and Nichi...the HQ2 Comintern Members!
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