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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: ILLove1997 on March 06, 2023, 11:37:32 AM
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Never thought I'd be saying that but they seem to be the worst matchup for us possible. YAY
Night game this time though starting Thursday at 5:30PM flyover time
Hard to beat a team 3x in a row here's to hoping the Illini remove heads from butts and beat them this time
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Never thought I'd be saying that but they seem to be the worst matchup for us possible. YAY
Night game this time though starting Thursday at 5:30PM flyover time
Hard to beat a team 3x in a row here's to hoping the Illini remove heads from butts and beat them this time
Maybe Underachiever will have them ready to go for the 1st half tip off? Hope so.
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Maybe Underachiever will have them ready to go for the 1st half tip off? Hope so.
Start Harris and Rodgers. They wake up ready.
That oughta send a message.
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Bench Dainja. Chill with all the penetrate/kickout stuff on offense.
And of course, guard hard.
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Hopefully we can keep our ass whopping under a dozen.
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Whoever has Pickett guarding him every trip down as got to penetrate and demand he play some aggressive defense to stop him, after that I would hope we can catch some fouls...if so we can win. If no fouls are coming, we have to use gimmick zone against him and this will keep the 3's and penetration from him to a minimum. I don't think anyone else on PSU can beat us collectively at all.
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Our NET is 33. 2-10 vs Q1. 7-1 vs. Q2.
Every game from here on out will be a Q1. Correction PSU is Q2 on Neutral floor.
One small positive has been an improvement in throw shooting. We were around 63% middle of the season. Now at 68% and trending up.
Agree with getting to the line. We need rogers to guard Pickett. If that doesn't work then just start mixing up different looks. Press. Maybe some 3-2 for a couple minutes then switch back. Have to keep them from getting into a rhythm.
Our offense doesn't have to be great. Just need the defense to show up and we can handle this team.
We need harris rogers and Shannon to really turn the heat up on these guys.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see us as a slight favorite despite this year's previous matchups.
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Also a key stat.
Penn state is 17-4 when scoring more than 66 pts.
Illinois is 18-4 when holding their opponents to less than 72 pts.
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Pickett put Rodgers on skates last game like he did to everyone else who tried to guard him. Our best bet is to send a walk on out there to cut his Achilles.
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Pickett put Rodgers on skates last game like he did to everyone else who tried to guard him. Our best bet is to send a walk on out there to cut his Achilles.
I like this idea.
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Our best bet is to send a walk on out there to cut his Achilles.
Send in the goon.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/JohnChaney.jpg)
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What would Izzo do
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What would Izzo do
Incidentally, I do NOT condone that type of coaching. It just reminded me of the Chaney media blow up from back in the day.
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What would Izzo do
Hit 'em below the waist?
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Pickett put Rodgers on skates last game like he did to everyone else who tried to guard him. Our best bet is to send a walk on out there to cut his Achilles.
I hear Achilles is still tied up with the Trojan War, no he is not playing USC. We need another hero....I am thinking a 1-3-1 zone with either Rodgers in the back. He is probably our best rebounder as far as nose for the ball, plus he is quick enough to guard back cuts/alley oops/etc...
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Hope and pray they go cold from beyond the arc.
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Hope and pray they go cold from beyond the arc.
Well it's at the united center which is a notoriously difficult place to shoot so maybe you're on to something
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Robbie Hummel is doing the game. He'll be able to mention again that we shoot a lot of bad 3s and have too much talent to play the way we do.
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Robbie Hummel is doing the game. He'll be able to mention again that we shoot a lot of bad 3s and have too much talent to play the way we do.
Good news that Hummel doing color commentary. Some of the others the networks use make you say "huh".
I like Illinichief's idea of 1-3-1 zone, maybe not the whole game but to change things up and a different look. But we all know Underwood is too damned stubborn to make that decision. "Gotta play man to man" attitude even if being kicked in the nuts.
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Do zone defenses usually work well against teams that shoot the three well?
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Do zone defenses usually work well against teams that shoot the three well?
Length at the 3 pt line helps. See Syracuse.
We won't play it anyway.
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Well it's at the united center which is a notoriously difficult place to shoot so maybe you're on to something
All true, except it is against us, so who gets their new career high today? Lets hope it is someone in orange 8)
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Do zone defenses usually work well against teams that shoot the three well?
no, unless your objective is to be shitty at rebounding and give a team more open looks from 3
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They're gonna buttfuck us, aren't they?
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They're gonna buttfuck us, aren't they?
No. Underachiever will have the boys ready and vindicate Spark's dragging of IVMP.
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I hope we make the S16 this year. Would hate to see Underwood get canned.
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No. Underachiever will have the boys ready and vindicate Spark's dragging of IVMP.
Oh. Thank goodness. Maybe they can put the lube away.
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I hope we make the S16 this year. Would hate to see Underwood get canned.
Well, we, the HQ2 Morons (copyright to Spark), will just start demanding E8s every year.
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Oh. Thank goodness. Maybe they can put the lube away.
I put the cup away for the year.
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I put the cup away for the year.
I'd rethink that one. You have an hour to reconsider.
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I'd rethink that one. You have an hour to reconsider.
I've watched these guys all year.
It won't hurt much when it happens.
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I've watched these guys all year.
It won't hurt much when it happens.
Haha, yeah. Can't destroy something that is already destroyed, right, Mn?
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Haha, yeah. Can't destroy something that is already destroyed, right, Mn?
I go into every game open minded. :D
Jan 13,
"I don't know how we're favored. Virtually every game should be a pick 'em game until further notice."
We have not reached 'further notice'.
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Also a key stat.
Penn state is 17-4 when scoring more than 66 pts.
Illinois is 18-4 when holding their opponents to less than 72 pts.
Sounds like we'll get this
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/126642-37-33-what-the-hell-was-that
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Nice "pass" from Hawkins to Dainja
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Hope you put your cup on, Mn.
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2 fouls on TSJ ?
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Dainja can't get a bucket to fall.
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Robbie Hummel is doing the game. He'll be able to mention again that we shoot a lot of bad 3s and have too much talent to play the way we do.
He's right, you know
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We have all seen this movie before.
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Dainja can't get a bucket to fall.
Or make dunks
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Wipe the damn floor
Not sure how that was our ball but I'll take it.
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34% shooting and 21% from 3.
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34% shooting and 21% from 3.
More spectacular coaching that we cannot do without apparently.
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Hawkins, Mayer, and Shannon are 1/10 from 3 in the first half.
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Keep jacking those 3’s Illini!🙄
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Underwood: We get 3 happy sometimes.
Translation, it's not my fault.
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We really should keep doing that whole "driving to the basket" thing instead of the "jacking up threes" thing.
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Yes Hawkins needs to stay in the post all game.
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How about doing something different and blowing them out the rest of the way?
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Fouls starting to rack up on PSU
3rd on Pickett.
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The Nike factory in China needs to up its child labor force?
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Oh brother.
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Dainja head butting people!
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Yep that's gonna be a flagrant. Hope that's not a momentum swinger.
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Yep that's gonna be a flagrant. Hope that's not a momentum swinger.
This.
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Yep that's gonna be a flagrant. Hope that's not a momentum swinger.
Just when it was going the Illini way
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Just when it was going the Illini way
Curse of the Chief
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Curse of the Chief
The 2080's belong to the Illini
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The 2080's belong to the Illini
Well hopefully I live long enough to see a basketball and football championship for the Illini
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So these guys just have our number, huh?
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Stop leaving Funk open.
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Pedo State heating up
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We need Todd to take some 3's
https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/94e/aa2/5c63aedf73faabd2becc9f0df35c9dc811-09-jesse-plemmons-breaking-bad.rsquare.w700.jpg
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What a stupid got half of the way there pass
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Those passes are maddening and they seem to do it way too often
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Those passes are maddening and they seem to do it way too often
They've gotten away with it too often. But the pass never seems to accomplish much.
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Free shots....
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This exactly as predicted.
Penn State has way overperformed vs UIUC all time
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Yep, FT’s
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This exactly as predicted.
Penn State has way overperformed vs UIUC all time
Except in the BTT
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What a great coaching job on D Underachiever is doing! What would we do without him?
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Pickett was bound to go off at some point.
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Meltdown…
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PSU is just a terrible match up for us. Plain and simple.
We should forfeit our tourney spot to them if we don't pull one out of our ass in the final minutes here.
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PSU is just a terrible match up for us. Plain and simple.
Underachiever seems to have a lot of teams that wind up being bad matchups for him. But we are lucky to have him. Spark told us so.
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You’re not gonna stop Pickett playing this defense. He’s just too dominant backing down in man-to-man defense.
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Free shots again
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Fire Underwood.
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Underwood just went 0-3 against the 10th place team in the Big Ten. With two of them ass whippings.
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Fire Underwood.
You just joined the HQ2 Morons club, per Marv Mandrill.
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Underwood just went 0-3 against the 10th place team in the Big Ten.
Tough to lose to a crappy team 3x in a season, but congrats to Underachiever for figuring out a way to do it.
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Tough to lose to a crappy team 3x in a season, but congrats to Underachiever for figuring out a way to do it.
Check for my edit.
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Well let’s see what happens in the tourney. Potentially down to our last game of the season…
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Game is stupid. Team is stupid. Announcers who think we're a danger to a 1 seed this time of year are stupid.
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You just joined the HQ2 Morons club, per Marv Mandrill.
I’m only half serious. But that half is very serious.
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Losing to the 10th place fucking football school 3 times in one season is goddamn shameful.
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Underwood is fine. I wouldn’t fire him. But I wouldn’t be at all upset if he got hired away.
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You just joined the HQ2 Morons club, per Marv Mandrill.
I think I’m in the club too. I wouldn’t mind seeing Brad get the fuck out of here.
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PSU playing like the upper classmen they are. They're better than us and they've had a tougher conference schedule.
And we can't shoot.
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I didn't feel a thing.
I won't wear it next game either.
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Game is stupid. Team is stupid. Announcers who think we're a danger to a 1 seed this time of year are stupid.
They’d have to play at a level we’ve seen from this team for maybe 3 halves all year.
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Check for my edit.
I see it. We are so lucky to have him though!
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I have zero confidence we’d beat them if they played a 4th time.
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Bet Weber loved watching Illinois lose.
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I didn't feel a thing.
I won't wear it next game either.
https://youtu.be/bDewsySmGD4
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Underwood is fine. I wouldn’t fire him. But I wouldn’t be at all upset if he got hired away.
Who the fuck is going to hire him away?
If someone is that fucking stupid, more power to them.
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Who the fuck is going to hire him away?
If someone is that fucking stupid, more power to them.
Guenther Jr. will probably give him a raise.
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We’ll potentially one game left of this bipolarness.
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Who the fuck is going to hire him away?
If someone is that fucking stupid, more power to them.
Yeah. I meant that wistfully.
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We’ll potentially one game left of this bipolarness.
I'm expecting S16! No, I'm DeManDiNg a S16!
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Game is stupid. Team is stupid. Announcers who think we're a danger to a 1 seed this time of year are stupid.
But Underwood says no one wants to play us in March.
I'm sure teams are hoping they don't draw a team that:
Can't shoot threes
Can't guard the three
Can't hit free shots
Frequently throws the ball to the other team
Can't run anything in the halfcourt.
Sure Brad. I say bring 'em on!
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We’ll potentially one game left of this bipolarness.
If it’s a first round loss, I sort of hope it’s a blowout. Would feel like a real sucker if I got emotionally invested in a close 1st round loss.
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But Underwood says no one wants to play us in March.
I'm sure teams are hoping they don't draw a team that:
Can't shoot threes
Can't guard the three
Can't hit free shots
Frequently throws the ball to the other team
Can't run anything in the halfcourt.
Sure Brad. I say bring 'em on!
Who wouldn't be thankful to have a coach whose team brings those 5 tools to the table?
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Underwood is fine. I wouldn’t fire him. But I wouldn’t be at all upset if he got hired away.
I'm in the same boat.
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I'm in the same boat.
The HQ2 Morons boat is getting way too overcrowded....
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Underachiever now at the point wishing that college had the same backing down rule as the NBA?
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-6/21 from 3
-12/19 FT
-Dainja's headbutt
Just bad, undisciplined basketball.
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The good news is that we will be rested for our first round loss in the NCAA tournament
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Hope the youth hostel Rob rented a bed at accepted reservations by the hour.
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We'll see what he learns from this year.
And Mayer went 1-15 from 3 our last 2 games.
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We'll see what he learns from this year.
And Mayer went 1-15 from 3 our last 2 games.
Is he in "glad he will be gone next year" territory?
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Underachiever talking about how old Pedo State is. This guy has a lot of excuses handy.
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I'll laugh if the bipolar fucks make it to the 2nd weekend.
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I'll laugh if the bipolar fucks make it to the 2nd weekend.
Why not us?!
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Hope the youth hostel Rob rented a bed at accepted reservations by the hour.
He’s probably on the Megabus back to Urbana by now.
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I'll laugh if the bipolar fucks make it to the 2nd weekend.
I’ll suck someone’s cock if that happens.
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I’ll suck someone’s cock if that happens.
Dom's?
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The inadvertent flagrant foul by Dain the turning point.
They have some interesting names: Dread, Wynter, Funk.
Funk's 3 point shooting; our missed free throws.
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Underachiever talking about how old Pedo State is. This guy has a lot of excuses handy.
6 of their 1st 7 are seniors. And they play like it.
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Dom's?
Sure. Why not.
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The inadvertent flagrant foul by Dain the turning point.
They have some interesting names: Dread, Wynter, Funk.
Funk's 3 point shooting; our missed free throws.
Free shots are stil irrelevant....
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We shot 29% from 3 in conference play. And 29% tonight.
We allowed 35% from 3 in conference play. And 38% tonight.
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Underachiever talking about how old Pedo State is. This guy has a lot of excuses handy.
They are old. Dread, Wynter, Funk, and Pickett are all 5th year Covid year seniors. Henn is a 7th year Covid year Senior. Lundy is regular 4th year Senior.
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They are old. Dread, Wynter, Funk, and Pickett are all 5th year Covid year seniors. Henn is a 7th year Covid year Senior. Lundy is regular 4th year Senior.
And what seed were these old guys in the BTT? I must have missed the part where they all kicked ass in the B1G regular season outside of the games against Underachiever.
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Funk was 6-9 from 3. The rest of PSU was 2-12.
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Funk was 6-9 from 3. The rest of PSU was 2-12.
Maybe you should have sat behind Underachiever and told him that Lou would have put someone on him.
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They are old. Dread, Wynter, Funk, and Pickett are all 5th year Covid year seniors. Henn is a 7th year Covid year Senior. Lundy is regular 4th year Senior.
They are old. They are also mediocre except when playing us.
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They are old. Dread, Wynter, Funk, and Pickett are all 5th year Covid year seniors. Henn is a 7th year Covid year Senior. Lundy is regular 4th year Senior.
Nichi is an expert on old.
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They are old. Dread, Wynter, Funk, and Pickett are all 5th year Covid year seniors. Henn is a 7th year Covid year Senior. Lundy is regular 4th year Senior.
Meatballs don't think this matters
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/213
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/213
Okay....
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Nichi is an expert on old.
He can give us the skinny on the 1943 championship squad.
I bet they guarded real hard.
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lol am doing the hunter safety online class and this gem just popped right up
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We did a decent job on Pickett. Funk, Lundy, and Wynter were 21-34.
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Maybe you should have sat behind Underachiever and told him that Lou would have put someone on him.
He used to do that with Adolph Rupp.
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We did a decent job on Pickett. Funk, Lundy, and Wynter were 21-34.
So we just failed to stop everybody else. Great point.
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The HQ2 Morons boat is getting way too overcrowded....
Can I ride on the boat too? Tired of this shit. The team loses 3 times to State Penn, a 10th seed. Horrible 3 point shooting AGAIN but shoots 50% inside 3 point line. And gets ripped apart defensively. After a good start to 2nd half, went from 1 down to 5 up, then gets torn up to be down by 10. This gets old. Things have to change.
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PSU having a lot of upperclassmen with a 2nd year coach while our 6th year coach is fielding exactly one guy who was here in 2020-21 is a Brad Underwood problem.
Curbelo, Podziemski, and Miller all help this team mightily and they're at other schools. Heck, Grandison and BBV probably could have helped this team.
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Can I ride on the boat too? Tired of this shit. The team loses 3 times to State Penn, a 10th seed. Horrible 3 point shooting AGAIN but shoots 50% inside 3 point line. And gets ripped apart defensively. After a good start to 2nd half, went from 1 down to 5 up, then gets torn up to be down by 10. This gets old. Things have to change.
Jump on with both feet, fellow alleged delusional Illini fan!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Blain_Crain/status/1633857048973651971/mediaviewer
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PSU having a lot of upperclassmen with a 2nd year coach while our 6th year coach is fielding exactly one guy who was here in 2020-21 is a Brad Underwood problem.
Curbelo, Podziemski, and Miller all help this team mightily and they're at other schools. Heck, Grandison and BBV probably could have helped this team.
Curbelo sat for 3 games for butting heads with the coach.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Blain_Crain/status/1633857048973651971/mediaviewer
Jesus Christ. That’s awesome!
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Curbelo sat for 3 games for butting heads with the coach.
At least he didn’t head butt another player.
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Oh. Thank goodness. Maybe they can put the lube away.
I guess they raw dogged us.
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A healthy Goode would have helped this team a lot more than Miller or Curbelo. I don't know about Podz. He was well behind Melendez and Goode last year. He seems to have improved a lot.
Miller is is not having a great year at LSU. Shooting poorly and averaging more TOs than assists.
Curbelo has had off and on court issues at St. Johns. His play was sporadic. He was suspended for rules violations and now he is not playing due to another concussion.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Blain_Crain/status/1633857048973651971/mediaviewer
🤣
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Wynter, Funk, Henn, and Pickett are all portal guys. This is Henn's 5th school. All but Pickett are in their first year as Nittany Lions.
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I guess they raw dogged us.
Looks like my post having faith in Underachiever and the fellas, to which you were responding, was way off.
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A healthy Goode would have helped this team a lot more than Miller or Curbelo. I don't know about Podz. He was well behind Melendez and Goode last year. He seems to have improved a lot.
Miller is is not having a great year at LSU. Shooting poorly and averaging more TOs than assists.
Curbelo has had off and on court issues at St. Johns. His play was sporadic. He was suspended for rules violations and now he is not playing due to another concussion.
What really would have helped is playing defense such that our opponents did not have some random guy seemingly going off for his career best each game.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Blain_Crain/status/1633857048973651971/mediaviewer
Almost like junior high hoops.
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Curbelo with baggage is better than any PG on our current roster.
Podz has fringe draft buzz right now. Shaping up to be one of the biggest player management screwups in recent memory.
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St. John's Andre Curbelo gets ejected after spiking his glasses
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/35574154
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Curbelo with baggage is better than any PG on our current roster.
Podz has fringe draft buzz right now. Shaping up to be one of the biggest player management screwups in recent memory.
its all Skyy Clarks fault, Podz transferred about a week after he committed (guessing there was buzz about him being granted starter minutes having proven nothing)
in hindsight a big mistake
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The HQ2 Morons boat is getting way too overcrowded....
I've got room in my boat.
Bear in mind that I'm the captain tho.
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if it wasn't for the comebacks against Texas, UCLA, Northwestern we would be NIT
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if it wasn't for the comebacks against Texas, UCLA, Northwestern we would be NIT
Those early games against UCLA and Texas are the only Quad 1 wins of the season. Otherwise, they got pantsed by good teams, and got to 20 wins mainly by bumslaying. Most disappointing Illinois team ever, IMO.
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I've got room in my boat.
Bear in mind that I'm the captain tho.
https://youtu.be/dvA-mimf2yg
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Those early games against UCLA and Texas are the only Quad 1 wins of the season. Otherwise, they got pantsed by good teams, and got to 20 wins mainly by bumslaying. Most disappointing Illinois team ever, IMO.
Marv Mandrill has lectured us morons against expecting that the Illini coach be competent!
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Curbelo with baggage is better than any PG on our current roster.
Podz has fringe draft buzz right now. Shaping up to be one of the biggest player management screwups in recent memory.
Except Belo is concussed seemingly all the time...so no on that one. Epps is better than Belo imo, and it's not even close honestly.
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Things to ponder when the boat isn't moving. Will the coaching staff learn anything from this year ?
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2nd most in the conference in 3 pt attempts. Dead last in percentage.
We managed to beat out 3 teams that had to play day 1 of the BTT in free shot percentage, while taking the most free shots in the conference. The 4th team that played day 1 is better than us to begin with.
Dead last in the conference in assists/turnovers, with the most turnovers. We did improve towards the end of the year in cutting down on turnovers but came up a bit short of 1.0 .
Basic basketball fundamentals. Good job, guys.
(https://i.ibb.co/q05Tg7v/Screenshot-20230310-082700.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z8Jq2Qz)
Dec 2.
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if it wasn't for the comebacks against Texas, UCLA, Northwestern we would be NIT
Very good point.
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Marv Mandrill has lectured us morons against expecting that the Illini coach be competent!
He’s competent. I’m just not sold on the idea he’s exceptional, or even well above average.
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Marv Mandrill has lectured us morons against expecting that the Illini coach be competent!
Congrats on your descent from decent poster to Truth level moron.
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Congrats on your descent from decent poster to Truth level moron.
Any insight into why we just can't seem to get past the juggernaut that is Penn St. basketball?
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What really would have helped is playing defense such that our opponents did not have some random guy seemingly going off for his career best each game.
This. The first NW game should have been a flashing neon sign that this wasn't the way to approach playing defense.
That being said, do we have the players to play that type of defense? Signs point to no.
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Congrats on your descent from decent poster to Truth level moron.
Congrats on being a Merrymen 2.0.
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He’s competent. I’m just not sold on the idea he’s exceptional, or even well above average.
The numbers Mn posted don't make you question this? The offense you see on the floor does not make you question this? The D he wanted to play when he got here and then tried to use again this year does not make you question this?
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Any insight into why we just can't seem to get past the juggernaut that is Penn St. basketball?
He liked you better when he thought you were dead.
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its all Skyy Clarks fault, Podz transferred about a week after he committed (guessing there was buzz about him being granted starter minutes having proven nothing)
in hindsight a big mistake
I am guessing Podz and hid dad looked at Melendez, Goode, Rodgers, and Harris and didn't see a lot of minutes. Also, weren't we recruiting Shannon?
Things change. Goode broke his foot. Melendez injured his shoulder. Podz improved and would likely have made a difference.
Miller and / or Curbelo? No thanks.
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I am guessing Podz and hid dad looked at Melendez, Goode, Rodgers, and Harris and didn't see a lot of minutes. Also, weren't we recruiting Shannon?
Things change. Goode broke his foot. Melendez injured his shoulder. Podz improved and would likely have made a difference.
Miller and / or Curbelo? No thanks.
"We are better off without him" is the standard line, Nichi.
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Mn, what is the name of the boat?
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No offense to Podz, but he's not exactly playing Power 5 hoops week in and week out.
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Mn, what is the name of the boat?
It was going to be the USS Nichi, but that is already taken by a 75-year-old garbage scow that inches along the Long Island coast.
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The numbers Mn posted don't make you question this? The offense you see on the floor does not make you question this? The D he wanted to play when he got here and then tried to use again this year does not make you question this?
The spread offense is something to behold when it clicks. We saw glimpses.
On defense, this team's best ball was actually when they got behind and played pressure defense with traps and jumping the passing the lanes. They just lacked the depth to sustain it.
Bob Knight was an advocate of using pressure defense to create transition offense, when he had the necessary personnel. John Wooden used a full court zone press. The Flying Illini pressed and trapped. Harry Combes was a pioneer of full court pressure defense. (Cue hackneyed ageist comment.)
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They just lacked the depth to sustain it.
And it is part of the coach's job to know his personnel and what they can and cannot do when devising schemes, right?
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He liked you better when he thought you were dead.
I just thought I would give him a chance to talk some basketball with us, instead of just coming on here and telling us how stupid we are and how shitty this place is.
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(Cue hackneyed ageist comment.)
Blah blah blah, slush fund, Stoner, Jud Heathcote.
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And it is part of the coach's job to know his personnel and what they can and cannot do when devising schemes, right?
That is probably why they only pressed when they got behind. Some say they should have pressed more.
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Blah blah blah, slush fund, Stoner, Jud Heathcote.
Blah blah blah, Bill Self, BAM, Dee and Deron, RG, Izzo.
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And it is part of the coach's job to know his personnel and what they can and cannot do when devising schemes, right?
Don't go confusing him.
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Congrats on being a Merrymen 2.0.
What are your standards?
*Consistently make the NCAA tournament
*Minimal off court nonsense.
*Exciting brand of ball
*Recruit nationally
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That is probably why they only pressed when they got behind. Some say they should have pressed more.
Except he tried to implement it in the first place, again, as the "team defense."
As for IVMP, give 'em hell, Nichi!
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What are your standards?
*Consistently make the NCAA tournament
*Minimal off court nonsense.
*Exciting brand of ball
*Recruit nationally
Sounds reasonable to me.
Also, when you are a 1, or even a high, seed and/or have an Ayo or Kofi, or BOTH, caliber player(s) on your team, make the damned S16. Apparently that is a moronic, low thinker, take for some around here.
To paraphrase a great poster here: I don't expect them to make the S16 at this point. But it would not surprise me if they did.
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That is probably why they only pressed when they got behind. Some say they should have pressed more.
So they should press more often and exhaust themselves more thoroughly and more often?
I bet Nichi is one of those people who stands up and yells: "Three seconds!" every time the other team has the ball.
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I bet Nichi is one of those people who stands up and yells: "Three seconds!" every time the other team has the ball.
Ok, I laughed.
God damn, I love it when people do this.
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Except he tried to implement it in the first place, again, as the "team defense."
As for IVMP, give 'em hell, Nichi!
I am ignoring the resident creep. I just saw some of Sparky's replies and had to comment.
What I recall this year is they started out switching, not pressuring and trapping. But I am old and the years blend together /s
This year's team actually started out [edit in the preseason] with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team.
Next year's team might have the talent and depth to extend the defense more, depending on who returns and who else they add.
I'd rather see multiple team defenses. That is really what we saw this year. Switching, under the ball screen, drop coverage, pressure. Just no zone.
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I am ignoring the resident creep. I just saw some of Sparky's replies and had to comment.
What I recall this year is they started out switching, not pressuring and trapping. But I am old and the years blend together /s
This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team.
Next year's team might have the talent and depth to extend the defense more, depending on who returns and who else they add.
I'd rather see multiple team defenses. That is really what we saw this year. Switching, under the screen, drop coverage, pressure. Just no zone.
Goode was hurt preseason.
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Goode was hurt preseason.
Again, don't go confusing him with facts.
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gt!!
Goode was hurt preseason.
Did you read what I posted?
I am pretty sure they started with a switching defense anyway.
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Did you read what I posted?
I am pretty sure they started with a switching defense anyway.
This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team.
Yes, I did. Goode was hurt in the "preseason." Going into the season, he knew he did not have Goode. Melendez hurt his shoulder pre- or post-D change? I do not recall. Clark left after he ditched the gimmick D.
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Except he tried to implement it in the first place, again, as the "team defense."
Except he didn't. He tried to implement a switching defense. Not the same as pressure defense.
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Yes, I did.
This part:
"What I recall this year is they started out switching, not pressuring and trapping"
You missed the point.
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This part:
"What I recall this year is they started out switching, not pressuring and trapping"
You missed the point.
So, in other words, they switched to a defensive style that required more depth after they had less depth.
Great job, Nichi.
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So, in other words, they switched to a defensive style that required more depth after they had less depth.
Great job, Nichi.
No. A switching man defense does not require more depth than pressure defense. That is idiotic. That might be the densest thing you have posted yet. Maybe you confused depth with versatility? The sad thing is you don't even know you are stupid.
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Yes, I did. Goode was hurt in the "preseason." Going into the season, he knew he did not have Goode. Melendez hurt his shoulder pre- or post-D change? I do not recall. Clark left after he ditched the gimmick D.
Read it again.
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Read it again.
Is he continually editing his post like they continually "edited history" based on current events in Orwell's 1984?
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Change needed to happen': Brad Underwood adapts, Illini thrive
ByJEREMY WERNER Jan 16, 2020
"Underwood has largely scrapped his high-pressure perimeter defense (called by some as the on-the-line-up-the-line defense) — which successfully created a lot of turnovers but allowed too many layups and free throws — for a more disciplined defense with pack-line principles to help prevent dribble penetration and limit fouls."
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Illini-coach-Brad-Underwood-defensive-changes-142261182/
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Change needed to happen': Brad Underwood adapts, Illini thrive
ByJEREMY WERNER Jan 16, 2020
"Underwood has largely scrapped his high-pressure perimeter defense (called by some as the on-the-line-up-the-line defense) — which successfully created a lot of turnovers but allowed too many layups and free throws — for a more disciplined defense with pack-line principles to help prevent dribble penetration and limit fouls."
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Illini-coach-Brad-Underwood-defensive-changes-142261182/
That article is 3 years old. He tried to use it again at the beginning of this year.
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That article is 3 years old. He tried to use it again at the beginning of this year.
Piper: Do the Illini need to be more selective with 'switch everything' defense?
VIP ByDEREK PIPER Dec 16, 2022
Sorry. Not the same defense..
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Is he continually editing his post like they continually "edited history" based on current events in Orwell's 1984?
That's straight from the Nichi playbook. He changes something, hopes no one notices, and then claims he was never wrong.
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Change needed to happen': Brad Underwood adapts, Illini thrive
ByJEREMY WERNER Jan 16, 2020
"Underwood has largely scrapped his high-pressure perimeter defense (called by some as the on-the-line-up-the-line defense) — which successfully created a lot of turnovers but allowed too many layups and free throws — for a more disciplined defense with pack-line principles to help prevent dribble penetration and limit fouls."
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-Illini-coach-Brad-Underwood-defensive-changes-142261182/
I'm amazed you didn't cite something from 1920.
Again, great job, Nichi.
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Piper: Do the Illini need to be more selective with 'switch everything' defense?
VIP ByDEREK PIPER Dec 16, 2022
Sorry. Not the same defense..
Fair enough. I was wrong.
The switching defense was as effective as the high pressure defense.
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Is he continually editing his post like they continually "edited history" based on current events in Orwell's 1984?
It's edited now. Lol.
What he said "This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot, .."
"This team actually started out" can mean any time before he broke his foot.
Breaking his foot in Oct would then follow as "Then Goode broke his foot."
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You motherfuckers are giving me a headache. Jesus.
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Fair enough. I was wrong.
The switching defense was as effective as the high pressure defense.
In a switching defense, instead of fighting over or under screens, the defenders simply trade men. Usually, teams will only switch a couple positions.
With Hawkins, Mayer, Melendez, Shannon, and Clark, Undie figured he could switch all 5 positions. Clark on the high ball screens was a weak link.
With Epps and Dainja they couldn't switch the high ball screen. I gather they usually went under the screen / drop coverage? Something that was not working?
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It's edited now. Lol.
What he said "This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot, .."
"This team actually started out" can mean any time before he broke his foot.
Breaking his foot in Oct would then follow as "Then Goode broke his foot."
I should not talk about more than one topic at once.
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I should not talk about more than one topic at once.
Don't take shit from these guys. You. Be. You. Nichi!
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Don't take shit from these guys. You. Be. You. Nichi!
I try to cover too much ground and keep it as brief as possible and maybe it confuses dimwits like IVMP.
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I should not talk about more than one topic at once.
It wasn't what you wrote. It's the morons reading it.
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The sad thing is you don't even know you are stupid.
I’m pretty sure this checks out.
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No. A switching man defense does not require more depth than pressure defense. That is idiotic. That might be the densest thing you have posted yet. Maybe you confused depth with versatility? The sad thing is you don't even know you are stupid.
You said precisely this:
"This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. ... Next year's team might have the talent and depth to extend the defense more, depending on who returns and who else they add."
Earlier you wrote:
"On defense, this team's best ball was actually when they got behind and played pressure defense with traps and jumping the passing the lanes. They just lacked the depth to sustain it."
Now you're trying to backtrack and say they didn't go with the pressing defense once Goode broke his foot. Which was in the preseason. Or did you mean when they were behind in the preseason?
I don't think you even remember what you wrote. Then you try to play the spin game, as you do here, and pretend I wasn't referring to what you said, in a futile bid to make yourself look less idiotic.
Also, this is the last time I waste time going back through the sewage of your senile posts. Either get medication, or realize you don't have the first clue.
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I’m pretty sure this checks out.
You do realize you're agreeing with someone who has contradicted himself multiple times in the last two hours with documented contradictions, right?
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It is ok Nichi. It sounds like we were both off. To err is human. To forgive is divine.
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Clearly, IVMP has reading comprehension issues. I don't think we should have dumb down the conversation level to accommodate him / her.
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It is ok Nichi. It sounds like we were both off. To err is human. To forgive is divine.
To err is Nichi. Or more precisely, to err and then lie is Nichi.
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Clearly, IVMP has reading comprehension issues. I don't think we should have dumb down the conversation level to accommodate him / her.
Just in the last 2-3 hours, you posted a three-year-old article, contradicted yourself at least 3 times, and then tried to play your usual game where you change one thing and then claim that none of the rest of it happened.
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Just in the last 2-3 hours, you posted a three-year-old article, contradicted yourself at least 3 times, and then tried to play your usual game where you change one thing and then claim that none of the rest of it happened.
There was a point for him posting that 3 year old article: to distinguish between that crap defense Underachiever installed when earlier versus the different crap defense that Underachiever had installed for this year. Nichi was showing his work, which I, at least, appreciated.
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That is probably why they only pressed when they got behind. Some say they should have pressed more.
Is this during the preseason, when you claim they dropped the press?
Do you even know at this point?
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It is ok Nichi. It sounds like we were both off. To err is human. To forgive is divine.
I like the word forbear instead of forgive. Let go. Be patient with oneself and others. That does not apply to malicious trolls.
Two points:
*They started out with a switching man defense
*They played some of their best ball when they got behind and pressed for stretches out of necessity / desperation
I don't think they ever enough depth to sustain pressure as the default defense, due to the defection(s) and injuries.
Clark left and Perrin barely stayed. Melendez was hampered by a bad shoulder. Goode is finally almost game ready and Epps goes down with a concussion. Didn't Shannon miss some time?
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I like the word forbear instead of forgive. Let go. Be patient with oneself and others.
Two points:
*They started out with a switching man defense
*They played some of their best ball when they got behind and pressed for stretches out of necessity / desperation
I don't think they ever enough depth to sustain pressure as the default defense, due to the defection(s) and injuries.
Clark left and Perrin barely stayed. Melendez was hampered by a bad shoulder. Goode is finally almost game ready and Epps goes down with a concussion. Didn't Shannon miss some time?
He was concussed as well at one point.
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Is this during the preseason, when you claim they dropped the press?
Do you even know at this point?
Do you have any functioning brain cells? Did you watch any games?
They scrapped pressure as the default defense 3 years ago. It is still in the tool box, so to speak, as an option.
This past season, they went to pressure for stretches when they fell behind by double digits. That sometimes led to transition offense and some of their best ball of the season.
Some, not I, thought they should have used pressure defense more often. I don't think they had sufficient depth for that. There are likely other reasons to use pressure defense selectively.
One reason for the depth issue is probably the injuries and defection(s).
Have I explained my take on this enough?
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You implied that they didn't have the depth to default to a pressure defense this season. Then you started making up things that I hadn't said to deflect from your idiotic inconsistency.
Now you are doubling up on inconsistency by saying they scrapped pressure as the "default" (whatever you think that means) defense 3 years ago, even though you also say they defaulted to it this season when they were behind.
I don't think you know what "default" means. In fact, I am not sure you know what many words mean.
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You implied that they didn't have the depth to default to a pressure defense this season. Then you started making up things that I hadn't said to deflect from your idiotic inconsistency.
Now you are doubling up on inconsistency by saying they scrapped pressure as the "default" (whatever you think that means) defense 3 years ago, even though you also say they defaulted to it this season when they were behind.
I don't think you know what "default" means. In fact, I am not sure you know what many words mean.
I guess you don't have any functioning brain cells. I tried. Go fuck yourself troll. I am not interested in interaction; will not be taking your bait.
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I guess you don't have any functioning brain cells. I tried. Go fuck yourself troll. I am not interested in interaction; will not be taking your bait.
Not my problem that you can't keep from tripping over yourself when you post a bunch of contradictory statements.
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Not my problem that you can't keep from tripping over yourself when you post a bunch of contradictory statements.
You know exactly what I meant. Either that, or you really are a dumb as a rock.
This group needs a real ignore function to prevent low life scumbag people like you from even seeing blocked comments.
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if it wasn't for the comebacks against Texas, UCLA, Northwestern we would be NIT
Yes those wins are carrying our resume
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You know exactly what I meant. Either that, or you really are a dumb as a rock.
This group needs a real ignore function to prevent low life scumbag people like you from even seeing blocked comments.
For a normally functioning person who isn't constantly an asshole, I might give the benefit of the doubt on a few things.
For you, no.
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I should apologize to IVMP. I just realized in his world default likely means the repo man is coming for the car.
He might not be familiar with concept of default settings. Sorry for confusing IVMP by using the word default in a sense he with which he is likely unfamiliar
I think everyone else understands that Undie abandoned pressure as his primary defense 3 years ago. It is still an option though.
Switching was the main defense earlier this season, and it remains an option.
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I guess you don't have any functioning brain cells. I tried. Go fuck yourself troll. I am not interested in interaction; will not be taking your bait.
Don't let them win, Nichi!
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Don't let them win, Nichi!
I believe in patience most of the time. I do try to feel compassion for pathetic wannabe internet bullies.
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Is IVMP related to Squeaky?
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Of course Pedo State looks like shit
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Is IVMP related to Squeaky?
IVMP also goes by Illini Legends and possibly Seyton.
Squeaky / Dominic is Plaza from the IB.
I dunno if they are the same person. Legends is a condescending bully and likes to belittle others with mindless banal taunts. He also makes elaborate silly arguments in search of a point and doubles or triples down when refuted. If you point out the grass is actually green, he'll counter that the sky is blue and call you an idiot for not knowing that. If you concede the sky is blue, he'll say it's cloudy and gray and you know nothing about weather.
Dom mostly likes to build himself up by making outrageous claims or predictions. Then when he is wrong, he'll make some excuse and claim he was really right because ...
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Of course Pedo State looks like shit
Happens when their opponent actually guards them. Unlike a certain team around here.
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They're playing like us.
They have been playing a lot better.
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I should apologize to IVMP. I just realized in his world default likely means the repo man is coming for the car.
He might not be familiar with concept of default settings. Sorry for confusing IVMP by using the word default in a sense he with which he is likely unfamiliar
I think everyone else understands that Undie abandoned pressure as his primary defense 3 years ago. It is still an option though.
Switching was the main defense earlier this season, and it remains an option.
"Default" and "primary" aren't synonyms. You keep trying to make them mean the same when they don't.
Just admit you have thoroughly embarrassed yourself today and exposed yourself as an imbecile. And move on.
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"Default" and "primary" aren't synonyms. You keep trying to make them mean the same when they don't.
Just admit you have thoroughly embarrassed yourself today and exposed yourself as an imbecile. And move on.
Is English not your primary / normal / original / default language?
I think most understand the sense of default settings or something happening by default.
I realize you are probably just being a jackass and pulling my leg.
A team's default setting defense would be its primary, normal, regular, usual, factory reset defense -- what they do by default, in the absence of an optional selection.
I rest my case.
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IVMP also goes by Illini Legends and possibly Seyton.
Squeaky / Dominic is Plaza from the IB.
I dunno if they are the same person. Legends is a condescending bully and likes to belittle others with mindless banal taunts. He also makes elaborate silly arguments in search of a point and doubles or triples down when refuted. If you point out the grass is actually green, he'll counter that the sky is blue and call you an idiot for not knowing that. If you concede the sky is blue, he'll say it's cloudy and gray and you know nothing about weather.
Dom mostly likes to build himself up by making outrageous claims or predictions. Then when he is wrong, he'll make some excuse and claim he was really right because ...
There seems to be more appropriate illini board related iterations for a bully like IVMP to post on.
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Is English not your primary / normal / original / default language?
I think most understand the sense of default settings or something happening by default.
I realize you are probably just being a jackass and pulling my leg.
A team's default setting defense would be its primary, normal, regular, usual, factory reset defense -- what they do by default, in the absence of an optional selection.
I rest my case.
A primary defense isn't a default defense. And even if it were, you implied that whatever defense you were rambling about was being considered when the team had more depth, but then you had to backtrack because you had apparently been confused about when Goode got hurt.
In summary, it was yet another Nichi trainwreck, filled with incoherent ramblings about teams from 40 years ago. Then you added some spice by doing your usual thing where you go back and change one thing in a post, then claim that all of it was correct.
Fine work. A Nichi masterpiece.
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Mn, what is the name of the boat?
Speaking of boats.
6 "pro-Ukrainian" randos hopped on a boat and blew up Nordstream.
Who knew it was that easy ?
And tPSU is still alive in the BTT.
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There seems to be more appropriate illini board related iterations for a bully like IVMP to post on.
LOL.
Nichi thinks he's being "bullied" because he exhibits the same dumbass traits as previously, but he has taken them to a new level.
Then he gets called out for it. He also had the opportunity to use the ignore feature, but he can't figure that out, either.
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Speaking of boats.
6 "pro-Ukrainian" randos hopped on a boat and blew up Nordstream.
Who knew it was that easy ?
If they expect a S16 when the Illini are a 1 seed, they can join the HQ2 Morons club and have a spot on the boat, Captain.
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If they expect a S16 when the Illini are a 1 seed, they can join the HQ2 Morons club and have a spot on the boat, Captain.
A neighbor expects no such thing, but he's had his PSU flag out every day. I did let him know that there's a law that flags only go out on football weekends. He don't care. All he wants is a PSU invite to The Big Dance.
I'd have him in my boat any day.
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The ignore feature sucks. The ignored person's activity looks like this:
Date at time »
You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
You can click on show me the post.
You can also see their content if someone else quotes them.
The worst part is they can still see and comment on your posts.
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The ignore feature sucks. The ignored person's activity looks like this:
Date at time »
You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
You can click on show me the post.
You can also see their content if someone else quotes them.
The worst part is they can still see and comment on your posts.
There are other ignore functions at your disposal.
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There are other ignore functions at your disposal.
You mean like actually ignoring someone, and the replies to them, while they taunt and mock?
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LOL.
Nichi thinks he's being "bullied" because he exhibits the same dumbass traits as previously, but he has taken them to a new level.
Then he gets called out for it. He also had the opportunity to use the ignore feature, but he can't figure that out, either.
Are you Squeaky's brother? Cousin? Ex boyfriend?
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Are you Squeaky's brother? Cousin? Ex boyfriend?
Are you Nichi's separated conjoined twin? Why do you care?
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Ignore is for pussies.
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Are you Nichi's separated conjoined twin? Why do you care?
Figured you and Squeaky are tight.
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Figured you and Squeaky are tight.
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/authoring/2003/12/12/NTGS/ghows-LK-f4794415-925d-48a5-bc5f-d63725384489-9b45c25d.jpeg)
FaninCa and Nichi.
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IVMP was autistic before being autistic was cool
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IVMP was autistic before being autistic was cool
That could explain the literalism.
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Should have used the full court press as the primary/default defense against PSU
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That could explain the literalism.
What explains you being a total moron who thinks primary and default mean the same thing?
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Should have used the full court press as the primary/default defense against PSU
Beat me to it. Nichi thinks that because it worked at the end, it would have worked for the entire game.
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What explains you being a total moron who thinks primary and default mean the same thing?
Literalism seems to be your default setting. The world must be confusing and scary for you.
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Should have used the full court press as the primary/default defense against PSU
Why? Because it worked it a little bit for IU at the end?
Also, that would have actually have been a change or an adjustment. It is not the regular, normal, default defense.
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Why?
They cannot inbound the ball when pressured. As we just saw versus Indiana.
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They cannot inbound the ball when pressured. As we just saw versus Indiana.
They would figure it out.
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What explains you being a total moron who thinks primary and default mean the same thing?
From the internet:
"What is a default account for email? Your default email account is simply your primary email account.'
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I imagine PSU just dropped us to the 10 seed.
Meaning we could get our shit pushed in by Mizzou again. Lovely.
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I imagine PSU just dropped us to the 10 seed.
Meaning we could get our shit pushed in by Mizzou again. Lovely.
Ncaa tends to avoid rematches.
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From the internet:
"What is a default account for email? Your default email account is simply your primary email account.'
You're relying on computer people to define words.
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/175025/synonyms-for-default
Any coach who relies on "defaulting" to a defense consistently probably shouldn't be coaching Division I basketball.
Similarly, anyone commenting about coaching who hasn't figured this out probably shouldn't be commenting. You are in the lead of this category.
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They would figure it out.
What Nichi and many others haven't figured out is the full-court press works great near the end of games because you can default (notice the proper use of the word, Nichi) to fouling. Also, you don't have to worry as much about wearing your team down because the game is near the end of regulation.
This strategy is not effective for an entire game without a deep bench. The transfer idiocy likely prevents building a deep bench.
Bichi pretends he agrees with not overusing this strategy, but he has posted contradictory information in the recent past.
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You're relying on computer people to define words.
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/175025/synonyms-for-default
Any coach who relies on "defaulting" to a defense consistently probably shouldn't be coaching Division I basketball.
If you read all that, and understand it, I gather you do understand the figurative use of default.
I think every basketball coach has a basic offense and defense, default settings so to speak. They then adjust according to their personnel and the opponent.
This is not a fraternity of expert coaches. We are mostly Illini fans who are here to have a little fun.
You are a slimy POS and seem to have to have some other other agenda of stinking the place up. That is quite an accomplishment considering this is the cesspool.
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Ncaa tends to avoid rematches.
Let's hope so.
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What many others haven't figured out is the full-court press works great near the end of games because you can default (notice my misuse of the word, Nichi) to fouling. Also, you don't have to worry as much about wearing your team down because the game is near the end of regulation.
This strategy is not effective for an entire game without a deep bench. The transfer idiocy likely prevents building a deep bench.
Nichi agrees with not overusing this strategy
I pretty much agree. And fify.
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Yeah, you still don't grasp what default means.
If a team can't get a steal within a certain amount of time, it defaults to fouling.
If it can't get the job done on defense, and the coach is not prepared, the team defaults to some other strategy that might or might not work.
You think defaulting means switching to a primary defense. You're an idiot. And a liar. And an unethical, post-editing, piece of dung.
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Ncaa tends to avoid rematches.
Come on, you know we'll get an 8/9 opposite Kansas as the 1 seed, I'll bet cash money on it. Then bet cash money that we lose the 8/9 game.
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You think defaulting means switching to a primary defense.
No. You still do not get it. The default in this sense is the basic, standard, typical, usual, primary defense (or offense). It is not something one switches too. It is what they start with and switch from.
The meaning of words shifts with context -- and time. Default has other literal and idiomatic (metaphorical?) meanings in other contexts. In this context it carries the sense of default settings or factory presets. Basketball teams don't literally have those. It's an idiom or metaphor.
I don't think the idiom works if you call switching from the usual defense to pressure with fouling 'defaulting to.' Maybe in some antiquated 1950s sense?
Idioms are funny because people use them long after the original meaning is lost. We wind up with eggcorn malapropisms, like 'pre-Madonna' or 'a tough road to hoe'.
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No. You still do not get it. The default in this sense is the basic, standard, typical, usual, primary defense (or offense). It is not something one switches too. It is what they start with and switch from.
The meaning of words shifts with context -- and time. Default has other literal and idiomatic (metaphorical?) meanings in other contexts. In this context it carries the sense of default settings or factory presets. Basketball teams don't literally have those. It's an idiom or metaphor.
I don't think the idiom works if you call switching from the usual defense to pressure with fouling 'defaulting to.' Maybe in some antiquated 1950s sense?
Idioms are funny because people use them long after the original meaning is lost. We wind up with eggcorn malapropisms, like 'pre-Madonna' or 'a tough road to hoe'.
You still think those are the same. They're not.
Any coach who simply "defaults" to a defense for lack of thought or context shouldn't be in Division I.
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No. You still do not get it. The default in this sense is the basic, standard, typical, usual, primary defense (or offense). It is not something one switches too. It is what they start with and switch from.
The meaning of words shifts with context -- and time. Default has other literal and idiomatic (metaphorical?) meanings in other contexts. In this context it carries the sense of default settings or factory presets. Basketball teams don't literally have those. It's an idiom or metaphor.
I don't think the idiom works if you call switching from the usual defense to pressure with fouling 'defaulting to.' Maybe in some antiquated 1950s sense?
Idioms are funny because people use them long after the original meaning is lost. We wind up with eggcorn malapropisms, like 'pre-Madonna' or 'a tough road to hoe'.
I am starting to wonder if you ever watch a basketball game.
So at the end, when the team is pressing, at some point they have to decide whether to foul. If not, then time keeps ticking off the clock. Does this ring any bells?
Obviously, for people who aren't complete morons (which excludes you), if the team hasn't been pressing, then it will switch to pressing at the end.
But again, you don't really know what default or many other words mean, so I'm sure this is tough for you to understand.
Not sure why you are an active poster on a basketball site if you don't really comprehend the pressing/fouling strategy at the end. I think you keep trying to pigeonhole terms in a desperate attempt to sound like you know what you're talking about. But we knew years ago, you didn't. We know now you don't. You're basically a moronic asshole who lies and alters posts to cover your idiocy.
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I am starting to wonder if you ever watch a basketball game.
So at the end, when the team is pressing, at some point they have to decide whether to foul. If not, then time keeps ticking off the clock. Does this ring any bells?
You have a way of stating the obvious; then acting like others didn't know that.
Once again, the point flew right over your pea sized brain. I do give you credit. It must be hard to operate a phone or computer with four feet.
Of course teams that are behind sometimes foul to stop the clock near the end; if they fail to force a turnover.
I simply would not call this "defaulting to" fouling. I don't think the idiom works. In a contemporary sense, the default is the usual, ordinary, preset, normal, automatic option.
Fouling is not that. It is an alternative, desperation measure a team resorts to only after the default defense and all other options have failed. Kind of like unplugging the computer and rebooting.
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You still think those are the same. They're not.
Any coach who simply "defaults" to a defense for lack of thought or context shouldn't be in Division I.
Lou Henson used a man help pack line. He made adjustments. Against MSU's weave, he jump switched the 1-3. With the Flying Illini, he mixed in some some full court zone pressure.
Jim Boeheim is known for a match up zone. Jim Dutcher used a match up zone at Minnesota..
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You have a way of stating the obvious; then acting like others didn't know that.
Once again, the point flew right over your pea sized brain. I do give you credit. It must be hard to operate a phone or computer with four feet.
Of course teams that are behind sometimes foul to stop the clock near the end; if they fail to force a turnover.
I simply would not call this "defaulting to" fouling. I don't think the idiom works. In a contemporary sense, the default is the usual, ordinary, preset, normal, automatic option.
Fouling is not that. It is an alternative, desperation measure a team resorts to only after the default defense and all other options have failed. Kind of like unplugging the computer and rebooting.
I really don't give a shit what you would call it.
Here's the thing: Your gig is to find some kernel of truth. Then you try to put some spin on it to try to sound like you know what you're talking about. But you don't. A primary defense is not the same as a default defense, no matter how much you insist it is. You sound like a complete, blithering idiot when you keep trying to make those things the same.
I like how you prove this concept true immediately. First you say the thing about fouling is obvious, but then you feel the need to re-explain it. I think the problem is you really don't grasp much, so you feel better when you explain it to yourself, in the hopes you will understand it. To make yourself feel better, you add some dumb jargon or useless phrasing or try to create some alternate meaning as you do so. Likely this is why you have been locked in the flushing-toilet-like spiral of useless posting that you have been in for years.
You really contribute nothing, other than a waste of typing and words. So if your dumbass jargon is different from what someone else would say, the chances are high that the other person is right. The sooner you realize that, the better. Think about it. How many other people go back and alter one piece of a post, as you do, and then try to claim that you were correct to start with? I assume it's pretty much just you.
Finally, your belief that teams have some sort of "default" defense to begin with shows that you don't have much of a clue. Teams might have a PRIMARY defense that they plan to play, but (1) that's not "default"; (2) any Division I coach who simply goes with one plan regardless of the situation or the opponent probably isn't going to do well for long without some really good players across the board.
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Lou Henson used a man help pack line. He made adjustments. Against MSU's weave, he jump switched the 1-3. With the Flying Illini, he mixed in some some full court zone pressure.
Jim Boeheim is known for a match up zone. Jim Dutcher used a match up zone at Minnesota..
That's cool. None of it really justifies the B.S. you've been peddling here, though.
Also, Jim Boeheim's D got torched this season. A lot.
Again, you are making my point for me, and you are too dumb to realize it. When a team sticks with a single plan and fails to adjust, they will pay. Multiple teams burned Syracuse from the outside. Lots of 3s.
Jim Dutcher got booted because multiple players were accused of rape during the season.
Nichi. A flushing toilet. Little difference between the two.
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The four feet line was a good one, Nichi.
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Come on, you know we'll get an 8/9 opposite Kansas as the 1 seed, I'll bet cash money on it. Then bet cash money that we lose the 8/9 game.
Agreed, I will be shocked to see us get out of the first rd this year.
If the Sporting News is spot on (who knows), then no way we win a 8-9 matchup against these teams.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/march-madness-bracket-predictions/xd7fmkfpwuxsjfp2r7nipwqe
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Start Harris, Rodgers, Goode, RJM and Epps if he's ready in Fighting Illini jerseys.
Maybe that would send a message to the NBA aspirants.
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When a team sticks with a single plan and fails to adjust, they will pay.
Jim Dutcher got booted because multiple players were accused of rape during the season.
Once again, you just make shit up out of whole cloth. That's an idiom, by the way. Not literal cloth. The cloth you spin in your twisted mind.
Nobody said anything about sticking with one primary trademark defense all the time, though some had success going strictly with match up zones or zones with man principles.
Virtually every coach installs a basic offense and defense. Again. They. Make. Adjustments.
It obviously has nothing to do with his basketball defense, but that is a lie about Dutcher. He was not "booted". Minnesota decided to forfeit the next game after the arrests. Dutcher disagreed and resigned. You also failed to mention the 3 players were eventually cleared.
You want to spend the rest of your life arguing about and mocking my use of an abbreviated idiom?
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Once again, you just make shit up out of whole cloth. That's an idiom, by the way. Not literal cloth. The cloth you spin in your twisted mind.
Nobody said anything about sticking with one primary trademark defense all the time, though some had success going strictly with match up zones or zones with man principles.
Virtually every coach installs a basic offense and defense. Again. They. Make. Adjustments.
It obviously has nothing to do with his basketball defense, but that is a lie about Dutcher. He was not "booted". Minnesota decided to forfeit the next game after the arrests. Dutcher disagreed and resigned. You also failed to mention the 3 players were eventually cleared.
You want to spend the rest of your life arguing about and mocking my use of an abbreviated idiom?
Yeah, you're making up B.S. again. I never said the Minnesota players got tried and convicted. I said they were accused, which they were. Apparently they were also accused of numerous other things before that one, which led to the game forfeit.
If you bother to look up anything about Syracuse this season, one of the big criticisms is Boeheim stuck with the D YOU mentioned, in yet another of your useless examples that destroy your own argument. They did not succeed with it.
I'm not going to keep arguing with you about an idiom, but I do plan to keep pointing out how often you are absolutely full of shit and how often you spin and lie and alter what was said. It's been your M.O. for years.
I'll give you this, though. You finally moved away from using Primary and Default as if they are the same.
And I hope you get over your sadness that Boeheim is no longer coaching. But your buddy, Rick Pitino, is in the NCAA tournament!
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Never said I was an advocate of a match up zone. Just pointed out some coaches are known for that.
All coaches have a default defense. If it is played poorly, or ill suited to the personnel, then it is going to get torched.
Underwood tried to install pressure defense his first couple seasons here. He adjusted and went to more of traditional man a few years ago. This year he started out switching at all 5 positions, but reverted back. Pressure and switching remain options.
If I make a point, and someone misunderstands, I try to clarify it. If something in my initial post contributed to the confusion, I'll edit it for clarity. That is the purpose of the edit function. If the incredibly creepy IVMP does not like it, he can go crawl back into the slime pit he came from.
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Nichi and SparkyMandrill are the two biggest idiots this forum has ever had.
Whatever nursing home they live at needs to take away their fucking tablets and wheel them into a corner. These are the types of idiots that have voted the state of Illinois into utter destruction.
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Never said I was an advocate of a match up zone. Just pointed out some coaches are known for that.
All coaches have a default defense. If it is played poorly, or ill suited to the personnel, then it is going to get torched.
Underwood tried to install pressure defense his first couple seasons here. He adjusted and went to more of traditional man a few years ago. This year he started out switching at all 5 positions, but reverted back. Pressure and switching remain options.
If I make a point, and someone misunderstands, I try to clarify it. If something in my initial post contributed to the confusion, I'll edit it for clarity. That is the purpose of the edit function. If the incredibly creepy IVMP does not like it, he can go crawl back into the slime pit he came from.
Hey dumbass.
Illinois sucks. You didn’t even need to watch this season. I broke it down for you last May.
2-11 vs Quad 1s. Utter shit
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Never said I was an advocate of a match up zone. Just pointed out some coaches are known for that.
All coaches have a default defense. If it is played poorly, or ill suited to the personnel, then it is going to get torched.
Underwood tried to install pressure defense his first couple seasons here. He adjusted and went to more of traditional man a few years ago. This year he started out switching at all 5 positions, but reverted back. Pressure and switching remain options.
If I make a point, and someone misunderstands, I try to clarify it. If something in my initial post contributed to the confusion, I'll edit it for clarity. That is the purpose of the edit function. If the incredibly creepy IVMP does not like it, he can go crawl back into the slime pit he came from.
Yeah, but then once you edit, you try to claim you never said what was posted originally. Because you're a lying, dishonest, piece of crap.
I like how you go back to your "default" lingo here. Almost as if you have no clue what you are trying to say. Wait, you don't.
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Nichi and SparkyMandrill are the two biggest idiots this forum has ever had.
Whatever nursing home they live at needs to take away their fucking tablets and wheel them into a corner. These are the types of idiots that have voted the state of Illinois into utter destruction.
Nichi has been like flesh-eating bacteria at these forums for years.
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Nichi has been like flesh-eating bacteria at these forums for years.
Oh come on. Nichi seems like a good guy. He wants people to meditate.
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Yeah, you're making up B.S. again. I never said the Minnesota players got tried and convicted. I said they were accused, which they were.
You wrote that Jim Dutcher got booted. That is incorrect. He resigned because he disagreed with decision to forfeit
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I like how you go back to your "default" lingo here.
You really want to wear yourself out protesting my use of an abbreviated idiom?
You didn't even understand what I wrote in the original post.
Underwood did not start out the season reverting back to the pressure defense he used when he first came here.
Underwood started out using a switching man defense. He was switching all 5 positions. He scrapped that as the main defense and went to fighting under screens and drop coverage etc. The decision to change the primary defense had nothing to do with any injuries or defections.
I had mentioned that coming into the season they probably had enough depth to use pressure more often, but for injuries and defection(s). That was my opinion and probably confused you.
You will keep insisting I really meant or said something else.
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You really want to wear yourself out protesting my use of an abbreviated idiom?
You didn't even understand what I wrote in the original post.
Underwood did not start out the season reverting back to the pressure defense he used when he first came here.
Underwood started out using a switching man defense. He was switching all 5 positions. He scrapped that as the main defense and went to fighting under screens and drop coverage etc. The decision to change the primary defense had nothing to do with any injuries or defections.
I had mentioned that coming into the season they probably had enough depth to use pressure more often, but for injuries and defection(s). That was my opinion and probably confused you.
This is becoming pointless. How many revisions did you make to get to this draft? Earlier you got called out because you tried to claim there was a defensive switch during the season. Then when someone else pointed out that Goode got hurt in the preseason, you started your usual editing/lying campaign.
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You really want to wear yourself out protesting my use of an abbreviated idiom?
You didn't even understand what I wrote in the original post.
Underwood did not start out the season reverting back to the pressure defense he used when he first came here.
Underwood started out using a switching man defense. He was switching all 5 positions. He scrapped that as the main defense and went to fighting under screens and drop coverage etc. The decision to change the primary defense had nothing to do with any injuries or defections.
I had mentioned that coming into the season they probably had enough depth to use pressure more often, but for injuries and defection(s). That was my opinion and probably confused you.
You will keep insisting I really meant or said something else.
More stealth editing from Nichi. Yeah, I will keep pointing out when you write one thing, get called on it, and then try to change it and pretend it never happened. Just as I will keep pointing out your misuse of words, your belief that you can interchange two things that don't mean the same thing, your obsession with all things from 50 years ago, and your continuing bids to try to explain things to yourself because you don't grasp them.
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Oh come on. Nichi seems like a good guy. He wants people to meditate.
Others can do as they will. Right now I need to find the time to:
*Do some kindness / compassion/ tolerance cultivations.
* Sit. That is concentration meditation; focus on a single neutral object, shutting out all other sensory input, stopping all monkey brain chatter and discursive thought.
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I will keep pointing out your misuse of words, your belief that you can interchange two things that don't mean the same thing,
Your obsession with and stalking of an imaginary online personna is really quite bizarre. I hope you don't have access to guns or bomb making material.
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Your obsession with and stalking of an imaginary online personna is really quite bizarre. I hope you don't have access to guns or bomb making material.
Yeah, not my problem that you can't figure out how to use the ignore function. Maybe your primary/default Internet strategy is failing.
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Yeah, not my problem that you can't figure out how to use the ignore function. Maybe your primary/default Internet strategy is failing.
I have you on ignore. I get this: "You are ignoring this user. Show me the post."
Of course, Show me the post is a link.
The ignore function still allows you to see and comment on my posts.
I can also view your posts when others quote you.
The ignore function is not a block like on facebook.
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I have you on ignore. I get this: "You are ignoring this user. Show me the post."
Of course, Show me the post is a link.
The ignore function still allows you to see and comment on my posts.
I can also view your posts when others quote you.
The ignore function is not a block like on facebook.
Too bad, Nichi. Guess you don't get to be president!
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Too bad, Nichi. Guess you don't get to be president!
My goodness. What a pathetic excuse for a human being you are. Get help.
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My goodness. What a pathetic excuse for a human being you are. Get help.
Nice mult, Tempo
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Nice mult, Tempo
I think it’s ThePAMan.
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Nice mult, Tempo
Yet another one that just parrots what he says as Tempo.
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I think it’s ThePAMan.
Oh brother. My mults were not sockpuppets like Tempo's are.
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My goodness. What a pathetic excuse for a human being you are. Get help.
"Tempo34" never insults anyone here.
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Oh brother. My mults were not sockpuppets like Tempo's are.
Well I only have one post to draw from so far 😂
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My goodness. What a pathetic excuse for a human being you are. Get help.
Out of all of those responses, you picked THAT one to attack with a sockpuppet? Hahaha!
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Come on, you know we'll get an 8/9 opposite Kansas as the 1 seed, I'll bet cash money on it. Then bet cash money that we lose the 8/9 game.
Pay up
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Pay up
It is all tied up in the SVB. But nicely done.
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It is all tied up in the SVB. But nicely done.
Your money will be available before we lose to Arkansas
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Your money will be available before we lose to Arkansas
Your Libertarian Tech Bros became socialists over the weekend.
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Your money will be available before we lose to Arkansas
I did pivot from your post to announce before the reveal that Illinois would show up on the bracket line opposite dogshit Arkansas, with Kansas waiting.
Earlier, I had said Illinois would be a 9 and would play either Fla. Atlantic or dogshit Arkansas.
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There was a point for him posting that 3 year old article: to distinguish between that crap defense Underachiever installed when earlier versus the different crap defense that Underachiever had installed for this year. Nichi was showing his work, which I, at least, appreciated.
IVMP is simply too dense follow that. He also has a hard on for Nichi.
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I'm amazed you didn't cite something from 1920.
Again, great job, Nichi.
Why would he cite something from 1920? Underwood dropped the pressure defense 3 years ago.
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Are Ray and IVMP the new Spark/Tempo?
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So, in other words, they switched to a defensive style that required more depth after they had less depth.
Great job, Nichi.
Since you are so smart, why don't you explain to us why switching on defense requires more depth?
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Since you are so smart, why don't you explain to us why switching on defense requires more depth?
First, you point out where someone other than Nichi said that.
I'll even help you out:
Quote from: illiniray on March 10, 2023, 11:36:46 AM
I am blahblahblah. I just saw some of Sparky's replies and had to comment.
What I recall this year is they started out switching, not pressuring and trapping. But I am old and the years blend together /s
This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team.
Then he got called out by someone else because Goode broke his foot during the preseason. To cover his tracks, he started saying that he was referring to the switching defense, even though he was talking about needing depth to press.
At no point did anyone else say depth was needed for the switching defense. Nichi is playing that game to conceal his idiocy about when the Goode injury happened.
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First, you point out where someone other than Nichi said that.
I quoted you. Don't you remember what you posted?
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Since you are so smart, why don't you explain to us why switching on defense requires more depth?
Because I never said that. I just copied the quote down where Nichi implied they would have pressured more often if they had more depth. But he said that decision happened after the start of the year, even though Goode got hurt before the start of the year.
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I quoted you. Don't you remember what you posted?
I remember exactly what I posted. As just stated, all of that was in regard to Nichi's erroneous statement that the team would have pressured more, but had lost depth after the start of the year. Goode got hurt during the preseason. This has been pointed out several times already.
Try more reading and less dumbfuckery.
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I remember exactly what I posted. As just stated, all of that was in regard to Nichi's erroneous statement that the team would have pressured more, but had lost depth after the start of the year. Goode got hurt during the preseason. This has been pointed out several times already.
Try more reading and less dumbfuckery.
Practice what you preach, idiot. Your own words. You did say switching required more depth.
(https://i.ibb.co/X30TjFD/Screenshot-20230312-193611.png) (https://ibb.co/CMCFmV6)
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Also, given that I am certain the latest cockpuppet will continue this indefinitely:
It's erroneous to assume that you don't need depth for a switching defense, despite what Nichi recalls about watching George Mikan play.
https://www.rookieroad.com/basketball/coaching/switch/#:~:text=Cons%20of%20Switching,-Even%20if%20the%20idea%20of (https://www.rookieroad.com/basketball/coaching/switch/#:~:text=Cons%20of%20Switching,-Even%20if%20the%20idea%20of)
The site doesn't allow direct cut-and-paste, but one of the cons of switching is you need players who can match up with the opponent. This is covered in the section I link to here.
It isn't just about players getting tired, despite what dimwits like Nichi want to believe. You need people who can execute the maneuvers. And as I'm sure all the experts here already know, fresh defenders are a great thing to have if you're going to be chasing players off screens.
I'm sure we'll continue to go around in this circle, so I'll keep helping out the morons as needed.
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Practice what you preach, idiot.
(https://i.ibb.co/X30TjFD/Screenshot-20230312-193611.png) (https://ibb.co/CMCFmV6)
You cut off the part about having more depth to press. Just scroll up the page to see it.
Again, Nichi is caught in a lie. He keeps trying to edit his posts, and he keeps getting caught.
Face it, old man: You're not shrewd enough to be deceptive. Now eat your prunes and wait for someone to dress you for bed. But stop creating falsehoods that are easily disproved.
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What he said.
"This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team."
Maybe this will help
'This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more, until the exhibition game. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team.'
But I highly doubt it.
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Your money will be available before we lose to Arkansas
I bought the bank. So you are good.
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Also, given that I am certain the latest cockpuppet will continue this indefinitely:
It's erroneous to assume that you don't need depth for a switching defense, despite what Nichi recalls about watching George Mikan play.
https://www.rookieroad.com/basketball/coaching/switch/#:~:text=Cons%20of%20Switching,-Even%20if%20the%20idea%20of (https://www.rookieroad.com/basketball/coaching/switch/#:~:text=Cons%20of%20Switching,-Even%20if%20the%20idea%20of)
The site doesn't allow direct cut-and-paste, but one of the cons of switching is you need players who can match up with the opponent. This is covered in the section I link to here.
It isn't just about players getting tired, despite what dimwits like Nichi want to believe. You need people who can execute the maneuvers. And as I'm sure all the experts here already know, fresh defenders are a great thing to have if you're going to be chasing players off screens.
I'm sure we'll continue to go around in this circle, so I'll keep helping out the morons as needed.
That link does not help your case. At all. Switching actually helps players stay on the court longer.
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What he said.
"This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team."
Maybe this will help
'This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more, until the exhibition game. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team.'
But I highly doubt it.
Logic is not IVMP's strong suit. Nor is reading comprehension.
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What he said.
"This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team."
Maybe this will help
'This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more, until the exhibition game. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team.'
But I highly doubt it.
Yeah, I stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt multiple lies and edits ago. This is Nichi's game. Has been for years.
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Logic is not IVMP's strong suit. Nor is reading comprehension.
Must not be yours, either, given that the part in bold is clearly a clarification to Nichi's post. You know, the part you and he both want to ignore and hope that no one notices.
Also, I'm not really interested in debating a cockpuppet who clearly wants to distort things. So you can chill any time now. If I have to put you on ignore, then that's fine. But I'll simply intensify the responses to the senile liar who created all of this.
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Also, given that I am certain the latest cockpuppet will continue this indefinitely:
It's erroneous to assume that you don't need depth for a switching defense, despite what Nichi recalls about watching George Mikan play.
https://www.rookieroad.com/basketball/coaching/switch/#:~:text=Cons%20of%20Switching,-Even%20if%20the%20idea%20of (https://www.rookieroad.com/basketball/coaching/switch/#:~:text=Cons%20of%20Switching,-Even%20if%20the%20idea%20of)
The site doesn't allow direct cut-and-paste, but one of the cons of switching is you need players who can match up with the opponent. This is covered in the section I link to here.
It isn't just about players getting tired, despite what dimwits like Nichi want to believe. You need people who can execute the maneuvers. And as I'm sure all the experts here already know, fresh defenders are a great thing to have if you're going to be chasing players off screens.
I'm sure we'll continue to go around in this circle, so I'll keep helping out the morons as needed.
This looks like an apt reply
No. A switching man defense does not require more depth than pressure defense. That is idiotic. That might be the densest thing you have posted yet. Maybe you confused depth with versatility? The sad thing is you don't even know you are stupid.
Makes sense to me.
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I never once said they changed the defense because of injuries. That was a misread. The decision to scrap switching as the primary defense this season had nothing to do with injuries. They still used it some. They did some switching against PSU.
They scrapped pressure at the primary defense in 2020. Obviously, the injury to Goode had nothing to do with that. (: They still pressed quite a bit this past season to overcome deficits. Such as the 2nd half at Purdue.
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But no one compared pressure defense and switching defense until Nichi launched into another bout with senility.
Again, he claimed the team had more depth after Goode got hurt. That made no sense. All of the rest of this is the result of Nichi lying and editing to cover his prune-dispensing behind.
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I never once said they changed the defense because of injuries. That was a misread. The decision to scrap the switching defense had nothing to do with injuries.
Right. You said the team had the depth to press at the start of the season. Then someone pointed out Goode got hurt in the preseason.
Then you started lying and editing, as you often do, because you sounded like a moron. Which you still do.
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Here we go....
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I usually defer from mud wrestling with pigs. You learn that , after a while, the pig actually enjoys it.
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Right. You said the team had the depth to press at the start of the season. Then someone pointed out Goode got hurt in the preseason.
"This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team."
You misquoted me. You lied. The words "start of the season" aren't there. Started out is open ended. It can mean the start of school, start of practice ...
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I usually defer from mud wrestling with pigs. You learn that , after a while, the pig actually enjoys it.
I usually avoid spitting contests with skunks too. After a while, they generally go away. This IVMP character escalated. He already ran LK Dog off and still mocks him. It was either defend myself or depart.
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JFC guys
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Nichi launched into another bout with senility.
Again, he claimed the team had more depth after Goode got hurt. That made no sense.
That certainly wouldn't make any sense, and I made no such claim. I said the team had more depth before Goode got hurt; which is blatantly obvious.
"This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot ..."
You are becoming incoherent.
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"This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot, Melendez hurt his shoulder, and Clark left the team."
You misquoted me. You lied. The words "start of the season" aren't there. Started out is open ended. It can mean the start of school, start of practice ...
I described exactly what happened.
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That certainly wouldn't make any sense, and I made no such claim. I said the team had more depth before Goode got hurt; which is blatantly obvious.
"This year's team actually started out with the depth to press a lot more. Then Goode broke his foot ..."
You are becoming incoherent.
I have reposted your nonsense multiple times.
If you go back to Pages 12 and 13, you can see where Nichi exposes himself as clueless, including his tendency to yell "Three seconds!" at the TV while drinking Sanka.
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You might as well stop stalking, harassing, and mocking him now. You have exposed yourself.
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I described exactly what happened.
It looks to me like you lied. You are a liar and a stalker.
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I usually avoid spitting contests with skunks too. After a while, they generally go away. This IVMP character escalated. He already ran LK Dog off and still mocks him. It was either defend myself or depart.
I think it was the presence of Squeaky that ran LKDog off.
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I think it was the presence of Squeaky that ran LKDog off.
January 20, 2023, 11:59:43 AM Lkdog wrote:
"This isn't rocket science except for IVMP.
In league play Purdue is 1st (96.3) , MSU is 2nd (96.4),Rutgers is 3rd (97.3), Michigan is 4th (99.3), Wisconsin is 5th (100.4)......
We have fallen to 7th (101.6) after last night's curb stomping.
I am out of here guys. It's a waste of time to try and navigate the forum with guys like Dominic the Pedophile and IVMP the Lunatic."
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January 20, 2023, 11:59:43 AM Lkdog wrote:
"This isn't rocket science except for IVMP.
In league play Purdue is 1st (96.3) , MSU is 2nd (96.4),Rutgers is 3rd (97.3), Michigan is 4th (99.3), Wisconsin is 5th (100.4)......
We have fallen to 7th (101.6) after last night's curb stomping.
I am out of here guys. It's a waste of time to try and navigate the forum with guys like Dominic the Pedophile and IVMP the Lunatic."
I like how you keep fishing these out without all the details.
At this point, not even half of the conference games had been played. Comparing teams on stats from less than 10 games is the typical dumbness that you and Lkdog embrace.
Also, three of those teams didn't even make the tournament.
As always, great pull, Nichi.
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I like how you keep fishing these out without all the details.
At this point, not even half of the conference games had been played. Comparing teams on stats from less than 10 games is the typical dumbness that you and Lkdog embrace.
Also, three of those teams didn't even make the tournament.
As always, great pull, Nichi.
Wow! The point went straight over your head! I was showing MN when you ran LKDog off.
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Yeah, I didn't run him off. As fun as it would be to take credit for it, that's not what happened.
While we're at it:
https://bigten.org/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2022
Again, Michigan St. is 7th in D, right in the middle of the conference. Same as at KenPom, as it's been for most of the year.
I enjoy these conversations, Nichi. Every time you post, you show how ignorant you (and your buddy, Lkdog) are.
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Yeah, I didn't run him off. As fun as it would be to take credit for it, that's not what happened.
While we're at it:
https://bigten.org/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2022
Again, Michigan St. is 7th in D, right in the middle of the conference. Same as at KenPom, as it's been for most of the year.
I enjoy these conversations, Nichi. Every time you post, you show how ignorant you (and your buddy, Lkdog) are.
He was using conference only stats. You have to pay for those. Idiot.
"I am out of here guys. It's a waste of time to try and navigate the forum with guys like Dominic the Pedophile and IVMP the Lunatic."
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January 20, 2023, 11:59:43 AM Lkdog wrote:
"This isn't rocket science except for IVMP.
In league play Purdue is 1st (96.3) , MSU is 2nd (96.4),Rutgers is 3rd (97.3), Michigan is 4th (99.3), Wisconsin is 5th (100.4)......
We have fallen to 7th (101.6) after last night's curb stomping.
I am out of here guys. It's a waste of time to try and navigate the forum with guys like Dominic the Pedophile and IVMP the Lunatic."
And from Dec 24 at 3:24:17
"Yeah, but this is at another level of stated concerns whether this Karen is real or not. One needs to assume she is real person and she states she is afraid and he is stalking others.
Custard needs to suggest to her to contact local law enforcement and ban Dorminic to cover his own ass. It is the least he can do.
I am out of here until this gets cleaned up.
Have fun guys.
I can find another board that does not allow this."
If it was one or the other who was the final straw, so be it. LKDog had seen enough.
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He was using conference only stats. You have to pay for those. Idiot.
"I am out of here guys. It's a waste of time to try and navigate the forum with guys like Dominic the Pedophile and IVMP the Lunatic."
Not too worried about stats that use only a small number of games. I feel like I already pointed this out, but it must have been too much for you to understand. Again.
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And from Dec 24 at 3:24:17
"Yeah, but this is at another level of stated concerns whether this Karen is real or not. One needs to assume she is real person and she states she is afraid and he is stalking others.
Custard needs to suggest to her to contact local law enforcement and ban Dorminic to cover his own ass. It is the least he can do.
I am out of here until this gets cleaned up.
Have fun guys.
I can find another board that does not allow this."
If it was one or the other who was the final straw, so be it. LKDog had seen enough.
January 20th was after Dec 24. IVMP had started mocking his guard hard comment. IVMP was linking the free all games stats to refute the conference only stats LK cited. Of course, IVMP was wrong, but used his snide mocking language.
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It was really both of them. They might be the same person.
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It was really both of them. They might be the same person.
I do not think so. We sort of know who squeaky Dom is. Aye Vee Am Pee remains a mystery. He lives in ECI, but is not a native as he refers to channel 3 as WCIA. He is fairly ntelligent and fluent with English, but is also quite arrogant and struggles with American English idioms. English might not be his first language.
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Wait. So we're starting this up again? Cool.
So when I respond in kind, and Nichi starts whining about getting picked on, then I'll refer back to this.
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January 20th was after Dec 24. IVMP had started mocking his guard hard comment. IVMP was linking the free all games stats to refute the conference only stats LK cited. Of course, IVMP was wrong, but used his snide mocking language.
This is beyond moronic.
As I already pointed out, there were maybe 6-7 conference games played at that time. It was megastupid to use those stats instead of the stats for the full season. Also, as Bichi already said, the conference stats are part of a paid subscription. So Lkdog was referring to numbers that not only were virtually useless, but also were unknown to most people, including Bichi. Of course, he supports numbers he hasn't even seen, but that's our Bichi!
I'm still planning on avoiding these back-and-forths during the tournament, but if we're going to revive these "debates," then I can participate and smack down the tools.
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It was really both of them. They might be the same person.
I'm starting to think you and the elderly bar patron from Cocktail are the same person.
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Last chance to stop this stupid shit
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Just a basic suggestion:
Axing the confrontational sockpuppet account might do wonders here.
This is an example of typically bad moderation that has existed for the life of the Internet. Any time someone wants to eradicate someone else, all they need to do is start a fake/puppet/anon account and then pick a fight. Poor moderators then axe both accounts, which is what the fake/puppet/anon account wanted.
Don't prolong bad moderation.
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Last chance to stop this stupid shit
The offender, who continues to mock me with his signature, advises you on how to moderate.
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Here’s a suggestion: maybe everyone could just lighten up a bit and not go out their way to be assholes? Just a thought.
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The asshole is calling out people for being assholes.
Awesome! I’m here for it.
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The asshole is calling out people for being assholes.
Awesome! I’m here for it.
Trust me, I am not the biggest asshole here.
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Imagine Jobu of all people calling someone else “the asshole.”
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Trust me, I am not the biggest asshole here.
You’re up there. And that’s fine. Be you.
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Imagine Jobu of all people calling someone else “the asshole.”
I know what I am. At least I own it.
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I know what I am. At least I own it.
I’m sure I’ve had my moments. But I’m not typically the aggressor. I debate passionately, but don’t typically cross lines. Unless you’re super offended by the occasional “dimwit” or “dipshit.”
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I’m sure I’ve had my moments. But I’m not typically the aggressor. I debate passionately, but don’t typically cross lines. Unless you’re super offended by the occasional “dimwit” or “dipshit.”
Yeah, I know. You’ve informed us of this a million times. I don’t care. You’re still an asshole.
Let’s watch basketball now. It’s one of the best weekends of the year. Enough of the bullshit. K?
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About all I’ve ever been guilty of is having contrarian opinions, and usage of the occasional dimwit/dipshit. I don’t view that as hyper offensive.
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Yeah, I know. You’ve informed us of this a million times. I don’t care. You’re still an asshole.
Let’s watch basketball now. It’s one of the best weekends of the year. Enough of the bullshit. K?
Sure. As long as you don’t give me the opinions of any women, because who gives a shit what they think.
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Sure. As long as you don’t give me the opinions of any women, because who gives a shit what they think.
Lol, ok.
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About all I’ve ever been guilty of is having contrarian opinions, and usage of the occasional dimwit/dipshit. I don’t view that as hyper offensive.
Ok, victim.
You’re right, you don’t talk down to others on a regular basis.
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Ok, victim.
You’re right, you don’t talk down to others on a regular basis.
Yep. And I’m never talked down to either. “Tempo is a victim!” Lol
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The offender, who continues to mock me with his signature, advises you on how to moderate.
Let it go, Quincy!
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I appreciate the defense here. I know I am right on some things, and Nichi is wrong on others, but the important thing is to keep improving.