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Re: Penn St. Ugh
« Reply #270 on: March 11, 2023, 09:42:33 PM »
Ncaa tends to avoid rematches.

Come on, you know we'll get an 8/9 opposite Kansas as the 1 seed, I'll bet cash money on it. Then bet cash money that we lose the 8/9 game.

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« Reply #271 on: March 11, 2023, 10:07:20 PM »
You think defaulting means switching to a primary defense.

No. You still do not get it. The default in this sense is the basic, standard, typical, usual, primary defense (or offense). It is not something one switches too. It is what they start with and switch from.

The meaning of words shifts with context -- and time. Default has other literal and idiomatic (metaphorical?) meanings in other contexts. In this context it carries the sense of default settings or factory presets. Basketball teams don't literally have those. It's an idiom or metaphor.

I don't think the idiom works if you call switching from the usual defense to pressure with fouling 'defaulting to.' Maybe in some antiquated 1950s sense? 

Idioms are funny because people use them long after the original meaning is lost. We wind up with eggcorn malapropisms, like 'pre-Madonna' or 'a tough road to hoe'.

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« Reply #272 on: March 11, 2023, 10:42:37 PM »
No. You still do not get it. The default in this sense is the basic, standard, typical, usual, primary defense (or offense). It is not something one switches too. It is what they start with and switch from.

The meaning of words shifts with context -- and time. Default has other literal and idiomatic (metaphorical?) meanings in other contexts. In this context it carries the sense of default settings or factory presets. Basketball teams don't literally have those. It's an idiom or metaphor.

I don't think the idiom works if you call switching from the usual defense to pressure with fouling 'defaulting to.' Maybe in some antiquated 1950s sense? 

Idioms are funny because people use them long after the original meaning is lost. We wind up with eggcorn malapropisms, like 'pre-Madonna' or 'a tough road to hoe'.

You still think those are the same. They're not.

Any coach who simply "defaults" to a defense for lack of thought or context shouldn't be in Division I.
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« Reply #273 on: March 11, 2023, 10:52:17 PM »
No. You still do not get it. The default in this sense is the basic, standard, typical, usual, primary defense (or offense). It is not something one switches too. It is what they start with and switch from.

The meaning of words shifts with context -- and time. Default has other literal and idiomatic (metaphorical?) meanings in other contexts. In this context it carries the sense of default settings or factory presets. Basketball teams don't literally have those. It's an idiom or metaphor.

I don't think the idiom works if you call switching from the usual defense to pressure with fouling 'defaulting to.' Maybe in some antiquated 1950s sense? 

Idioms are funny because people use them long after the original meaning is lost. We wind up with eggcorn malapropisms, like 'pre-Madonna' or 'a tough road to hoe'.

I am starting to wonder if you ever watch a basketball game.

So at the end, when the team is pressing, at some point they have to decide whether to foul. If not, then time keeps ticking off the clock. Does this ring any bells?

Obviously, for people who aren't complete morons (which excludes you), if the team hasn't been pressing, then it will switch to pressing at the end.

But again, you don't really know what default or many other words mean, so I'm sure this is tough for you to understand.

Not sure why you are an active poster on a basketball site if you don't really comprehend the pressing/fouling strategy at the end. I think you keep trying to pigeonhole terms in a desperate attempt to sound like you know what you're talking about. But we knew years ago, you didn't. We know now you don't. You're basically a moronic asshole who lies and alters posts to cover your idiocy.
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« Reply #274 on: March 11, 2023, 11:38:37 PM »
I am starting to wonder if you ever watch a basketball game.

So at the end, when the team is pressing, at some point they have to decide whether to foul. If not, then time keeps ticking off the clock. Does this ring any bells?

You have a way of stating the obvious; then acting like others didn't know that.

Once again, the point flew right over your pea sized brain. I do give you credit. It must be hard to operate a phone or computer with four feet. 

Of course teams that are behind sometimes foul to stop the clock near the end; if they fail to force a turnover.

I simply would not call this "defaulting to" fouling. I don't think the idiom works. In a contemporary sense, the default is the usual, ordinary, preset, normal, automatic option.

Fouling is not that. It is an alternative, desperation measure a team resorts to only after the default defense and all other options have failed. Kind of like unplugging the computer and rebooting.
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« Reply #275 on: March 11, 2023, 11:48:49 PM »
You still think those are the same. They're not.

Any coach who simply "defaults" to a defense for lack of thought or context shouldn't be in Division I.

Lou Henson used a man help pack line. He made adjustments. Against MSU's weave, he jump switched the 1-3. With the Flying Illini, he mixed in some some full court zone pressure.

Jim Boeheim is known for a match up zone. Jim Dutcher used a match up zone at Minnesota..
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« Reply #276 on: March 12, 2023, 12:26:12 AM »
You have a way of stating the obvious; then acting like others didn't know that.

Once again, the point flew right over your pea sized brain. I do give you credit. It must be hard to operate a phone or computer with four feet. 

Of course teams that are behind sometimes foul to stop the clock near the end; if they fail to force a turnover.

I simply would not call this "defaulting to" fouling. I don't think the idiom works. In a contemporary sense, the default is the usual, ordinary, preset, normal, automatic option.

Fouling is not that. It is an alternative, desperation measure a team resorts to only after the default defense and all other options have failed. Kind of like unplugging the computer and rebooting.

I really don't give a shit what you would call it.

Here's the thing: Your gig is to find some kernel of truth. Then you try to put some spin on it to try to sound like you know what you're talking about. But you don't. A primary defense is not the same as a default defense, no matter how much you insist it is. You sound like a complete, blithering idiot when you keep trying to make those things the same.

I like how you prove this concept true immediately. First you say the thing about fouling is obvious, but then you feel the need to re-explain it. I think the problem is you really don't grasp much, so you feel better when you explain it to yourself, in the hopes you will understand it. To make yourself feel better, you add some dumb jargon or useless phrasing or try to create some alternate meaning as you do so. Likely this is why you have been locked in the flushing-toilet-like spiral of useless posting that you have been in for years.

You really contribute nothing, other than a waste of typing and words. So if your dumbass jargon is different from what someone else would say, the chances are high that the other person is right. The sooner you realize that, the better. Think about it. How many other people go back and alter one piece of a post, as you do, and then try to claim that you were correct to start with? I assume it's pretty much just you.

Finally, your belief that teams have some sort of "default" defense to begin with shows that you don't have much of a clue. Teams might have a PRIMARY defense that they plan to play, but (1) that's not "default"; (2) any Division I coach who simply goes with one plan regardless of the situation or the opponent probably isn't going to do well for long without some really good players across the board.
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« Reply #277 on: March 12, 2023, 12:30:14 AM »
Lou Henson used a man help pack line. He made adjustments. Against MSU's weave, he jump switched the 1-3. With the Flying Illini, he mixed in some some full court zone pressure.

Jim Boeheim is known for a match up zone. Jim Dutcher used a match up zone at Minnesota..

That's cool. None of it really justifies the B.S. you've been peddling here, though.

Also, Jim Boeheim's D got torched this season. A lot.

Again, you are making my point for me, and you are too dumb to realize it. When a team sticks with a single plan and fails to adjust, they will pay. Multiple teams burned Syracuse from the outside. Lots of 3s.

Jim Dutcher got booted because multiple players were accused of rape during the season.

Nichi. A flushing toilet. Little difference between the two.
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« Reply #278 on: March 12, 2023, 08:33:17 AM »
The four feet line was a good one, Nichi.
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« Reply #279 on: March 12, 2023, 09:48:42 AM »
Come on, you know we'll get an 8/9 opposite Kansas as the 1 seed, I'll bet cash money on it. Then bet cash money that we lose the 8/9 game.

Agreed, I will be shocked to see us get out of the first rd this year.

If the Sporting News is spot on (who knows), then no way we win a 8-9 matchup against these teams.


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« Reply #280 on: March 12, 2023, 10:14:49 AM »
Start Harris, Rodgers, Goode, RJM and Epps if he's ready in Fighting Illini jerseys.
Maybe that would send a message to the NBA aspirants.

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« Reply #281 on: March 12, 2023, 10:40:56 AM »
When a team sticks with a single plan and fails to adjust, they will pay.

Jim Dutcher got booted because multiple players were accused of rape during the season.

Once again, you just make shit up out of whole cloth. That's an idiom, by the way. Not literal cloth. The cloth you spin in your twisted mind.

Nobody said anything about sticking with one primary trademark defense all the time, though some had success going strictly with match up zones or zones with man principles.

Virtually every coach installs a basic offense and defense. Again. They. Make. Adjustments.

It obviously has nothing to do with his basketball defense, but that is a lie about Dutcher. He was not "booted". Minnesota decided to forfeit the next game after the arrests. Dutcher disagreed and resigned. You also failed to mention the 3 players were eventually cleared.

You want to spend the rest of your life arguing about and mocking my use of an abbreviated idiom?

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« Reply #282 on: March 12, 2023, 11:32:24 AM »
Once again, you just make shit up out of whole cloth. That's an idiom, by the way. Not literal cloth. The cloth you spin in your twisted mind.

Nobody said anything about sticking with one primary trademark defense all the time, though some had success going strictly with match up zones or zones with man principles.

Virtually every coach installs a basic offense and defense. Again. They. Make. Adjustments.

It obviously has nothing to do with his basketball defense, but that is a lie about Dutcher. He was not "booted". Minnesota decided to forfeit the next game after the arrests. Dutcher disagreed and resigned. You also failed to mention the 3 players were eventually cleared.

You want to spend the rest of your life arguing about and mocking my use of an abbreviated idiom?

Yeah, you're making up B.S. again. I never said the Minnesota players got tried and convicted. I said they were accused, which they were. Apparently they were also accused of numerous other things before that one, which led to the game forfeit.

If you bother to look up anything about Syracuse this season, one of the big criticisms is Boeheim stuck with the D YOU mentioned, in yet another of your useless examples that destroy your own argument. They did not succeed with it.

I'm not going to keep arguing with you about an idiom, but I do plan to keep pointing out how often you are absolutely full of shit and how often you spin and lie and alter what was said. It's been your M.O. for years.

I'll give you this, though. You finally moved away from using Primary and Default as if they are the same.

And I hope you get over your sadness that Boeheim is no longer coaching. But your buddy, Rick Pitino, is in the NCAA tournament!
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« Reply #283 on: March 12, 2023, 11:56:36 AM »
Never said I was an advocate of a match up zone. Just pointed out some coaches are known for that.
All coaches have a default defense. If it is played poorly, or ill suited to the personnel, then it is going to get torched.

Underwood tried to install pressure defense his first couple seasons here. He adjusted and went to more of traditional man a few years ago. This year he started out switching at all 5 positions, but reverted back. Pressure and switching remain options.

If I make a point, and someone misunderstands, I try to clarify it. If something in my initial post contributed to the confusion, I'll edit it for clarity. That is the purpose of the edit function. If the incredibly creepy IVMP does not like it, he can go crawl back into the slime pit he came from.


 
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« Reply #284 on: March 12, 2023, 12:03:09 PM »
Nichi and SparkyMandrill are the two biggest idiots this forum has ever had.


Whatever nursing home they live at needs to take away their fucking tablets and wheel them into a corner.  These are the types of idiots that have voted the state of Illinois into utter destruction.