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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: Lkdog on November 18, 2021, 02:33:30 PM
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Anyone have insight as to his limited minutes? I doubt he transferred to play 13 minutes in a game, and his minutes going down every game now.
He was at 28 mpg and scored 13.6 ppg while shooting 38% from three last year. Hit 64 threes and 2.6 per game.
I do see that Hulka is on his Damonte thing again until he once again figures out that net impact.
We had a shit game at Marquette all around, but only had one actual legit shooter/scorer on the floor in Trent much of the game.
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Two TOs in those 12 minutes. Worst +/- of anyone on the team.
He's learning to play PG, but has a long way to go. Shaka's boys would have torn him apart.
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He doesn’t play defense or get after loose balls. He can’t create his own shot. He’s small. This guard lineup really needs Hutcherson’s length and athleticism and ball handling.
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Who is this Hutcherson you speak of?
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When does Hutcherson return?
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I'd expect him to play on Monday.
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He didn't shoot well enough in the first 2 games. I candidly would have rather seen the freshmen thrown to the wolves.
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Two TOs in those 12 minutes. Worst +/- of anyone on the team.
He's learning to play PG, but has a long way to go. Shaka's boys would have torn him apart.
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We had 26 TOs. Yeah, the other guys were great.
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He doesn’t play defense or get after loose balls. He can’t create his own shot. He’s small. This guard lineup really needs Hutcherson’s length and athleticism and ball handling.
We play DaMonte and Grandison who can't create a shot. Both average defenders at best.
If he is so bad, why did we take him?
This team has limited shooting and you think Hutcherson is the answer who hasn't been in a live game in years and never at this level??
I hope he is a player but Plummer has proven ability to shoot. We have no other outside threats besides Trent right now.
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He didn't shoot well enough in the first 2 games. I candidly would have rather seen the freshmen thrown to the wolves.
Sooo, he has a slow start so he is done? He is a shooter and needs to shoot. DaMonte is 5-20.
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He didn't shoot well enough in the first 2 games. I candidly would have rather seen the freshmen thrown to the wolves.
He’s got a pretty proven track record. Getting Kofi back and being the focus of the opposing defense should help free our guards up for some better looks. This is a team with several new pieces and key guys banged up trying to find an identity without the anchor of the offense.
Plummer won’t produce at the same level he did at Utah, but when we are healthy he *should* be a reliable contributor off the bench as this team comes together.
Illinois can’t afford to have DMW and Curbelo AND Plummer all lay epic eggs on the same night when Kofi and our one lengthy bouncy guard that can handle ball are out.
But holy shit if experienced guys like DMW and Plummer (and the returning 6th man of the year in B1G and All American watchlist PG, albeit banged up) couldn’t handle the pressure the other night, I can’t even imagine what the freshmen would have looked like.
Podz and Melendez clearly aren’t ready to contribute against P5 competition. Goode looks deserving of some spot minutes (which he got Monday) and garbage time.
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We play DaMonte and Grandison who can't create a shot. Both average defenders at best.
If he is so bad, why did we take him?
This team has limited shooting and you think Hutcherson is the answer who hasn't been in a live game in years and never at this level??
I hope he is a player but Plummer has proven ability to shoot. We have no other outside threats besides Trent right now.
Hurcherson played this year and landed hard on his tailbone. Looked impressive against lesser competition. I think they’ve been bringing him back as gently as possible given his past injury issues figuring we could probably skate by without him in the early going.
I don’t think anyone could have seen that DEFCON 1 meltdown from Curbelo coming. Not quite sure I’ve ever seen anything quite like it.
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Hurcherson played this year and landed hard on his tailbone. Looked impressive against lesser competition. I think they’ve been bringing him back as gently as possible given his past injury issues figuring we could probably skate by without him in the early going.
I don’t think anyone could have seen that DEFCON 1 meltdown from Curbelo coming. Not quite sure I’ve ever seen anything quite like it.
I have watched Hutcherson's workout videos and they are impressive and have been hearing about him being a stud in practice for a couple years. Has not played since 2019. I did not see him in the pre season game but did not pay much attention or put much stock in a 70 point win. I am a fan of his, but I like Plummer also.
The +/- thing is odd. Curbelo was a total hot mess in our loss and was +4. Looked like an AAU 7th grader ballhog TO/chucker machine. He is a baller and will be alright.
I guess we will see how the rotation evolves.
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He’s got a pretty proven track record. Getting Kofi back and being the focus of the opposing defense should help free our guards up for some better looks. This is a team with several new pieces and key guys banged up trying to find an identity without the anchor of the offense.
Plummer won’t produce at the same level he did at Utah, but when we are healthy he *should* be a reliable contributor off the bench as this team comes together.
Illinois can’t afford to have DMW and Curbelo AND Plummer all lay epic eggs on the same night when Kofi and our one lengthy bouncy guard that can handle ball are out.
But holy shit if experienced guys like DMW and Plummer (and the returning 6th man of the year in B1G and All American watchlist PG, albeit banged up) couldn’t handle the pressure the other night, I can’t even imagine what the freshmen would have looked like.
Podz and Melendez clearly aren’t ready to contribute against P5 competition. Goode looks deserving of some spot minutes (which he got Monday) and garbage time.
I approve this analysis.
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Hurcherson played this year and landed hard on his tailbone. Looked impressive against lesser competition. I think they’ve been bringing him back as gently as possible given his past injury issues figuring we could probably skate by without him in the early going.
I don’t think anyone could have seen that DEFCON 1 meltdown from Curbelo coming. Not quite sure I’ve ever seen anything quite like it.
I approve this analysis, too. Kinda hope Belo got a cut for throwing the game, tho.
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Belo, Needs to realize he is not YET to the point of Believing the Hype, so Don't as the song says and play your game.
Plummer and DMW will be in almost a virtual timeshare by middle of conference play, too early to trust Plummer yet but he will get there.
Podz looks to be way overwhelmed, speaks to Wis. level of players last year-Player of the Year...he is not B1G ready.
Melendez will give us some quality before year end imo, he seems to have a comfort level on court when he does play even if he makes freshman mistakes or gets lost sometimes.
Goode will be pushing for more minutes early in conference play imo.
Kofi will not be our savior, but will free up some better looks possibly for guards, but it won't matter much if our guards cannot keep control of ball and not turn it over every other trip up the floor (Belo) mostly.
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I, for one, am looking forward to a Custard byline on IlliniReport.com.
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I, for one, am looking forward to a Custard byline on IlliniReport.com.
Custard is probably Rees Woodcock.
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Custard is probably Rees Woodcock.
This.
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Sooo, he has a slow start so he is done? He is a shooter and needs to shoot. DaMonte is 5-20.
No, just that he wasn't the answer v. Marquette.
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Custard is probably Rees Woodcock.
This.
Fuck the both of you. If I had the time and inclination to write about Illinois athletics beyond what I currently do, the results would put people out of business.
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I’d like to see that.
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Fuck the both of you. If I had the time and inclination to write about Illinois athletics beyond what I currently do, the results would put people out of business.
Now that is funny.
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Fuck the both of you. If I had the time and inclination to write about Illinois athletics beyond what I currently do, the results would put people out of business.
😂
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Did Custard just anoint himself the best Illini athletics voice in existence? And you guys say I have an ego! 😂
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I don't care how small of a lineup we have. We are not guarding anyone anyway, and never really have. He is best three point threat we have had in very very long time.
You have to play this guy big minutes and give him the complete green light. Teams will have to game plan around him every night.
I think there should be little debate after this week. Saved us twice already while the rest of team besides Kofi is a deer in the headlights.
15-26 in last three games from three. 13/21 in last two games.
I do not recall another Illini with 15 threes in a 3 game span.
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I hate to say it but it is pretty easy to game plan for a 6’ guy who really can’t create his own shot, especially since we don’t seem to have designed plays to get him clean looks.
With Curbelo and Frazier out he’s going to get a lot of opportunity, but I don’t expect him to continue to play at this level with consistency.
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I hate to say it but it is pretty easy to game plan for a 6’ guy who really can’t create his own shot, especially since we don’t seem to have designed plays to get him clean looks.
With Curbelo and Frazier out he’s going to get a lot of opportunity, but I don’t expect him to continue to play at this level with consistency.
I get it. You don't think much of him. You want longer wings who can slash and get to the hole. You always want an idealized Baylor constructed roster. But even their title team had a rotation of four guards all 6'3" or smaller taking a butt load of threes and a 6'5" guy at the 4. What Baylor did do is play great very tough hard nosed defense at all slots and shoot the ball like a bitch.
Unless somebody develops for us we don't have any true get their own guys. Hawkins or Hutch might down the road. The frosh are not athletic enough. Damonte and Grandison are mechanical. Trent never has been able to. Curbelo is out of control too much, but really attacks to pass- not score.
Somehow or other Plummer has gotten 26 looks from 3 in last three games. If it was so easy to stop him they would have. He doesn't need much room or time. He gets into his textbook one motion shot quickly with a rhythm dip and has a fairly quick release.
He is already into his shooting motion while he is catching and turning in one motion off of curls. This guy probably has the best pure shooting form and feet positioning we have seen here in years. He has range it appears out to 25 feet.
Yes, he is one dimensional as fuck. But, the game is won by who scores the most points. They have to plan for him and that helps create space and time for others.
News Alert- We don't have anyone else who can really create their own shot off the dribble. Curbelo kind of, but too many are circus attempts. And in case you missed last season- we really didn't then either except for Ayo versus weaker defenders.
Good defenders shut him down in half court. Great guy in open court without question.
Feliz was last guy who could actually reliably create his own in half court.
Of course Plummer is not going to hit 6 or 7 threes a game. Of course he will have some games where he is 1-7.
Followed up by a game where he goes 5-8. Would be nice if these kind of guys could go 3/8 every game.
But he certainly could average 2.5 to 3 a game if given enough minutes and shots. He made 2.6 per game last year.
He shot 40% from three at Utah over 2 years in a P5 conference that made the BT look silly last March.
I would say 11-12 ppg avg is very reasonable goal. This is an experienced proven P5 scorer.
He is now averaging 12.6 ppg for us. He went for 13.6 ppg last year.
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I get it. You don't think much of him. You want longer wings who can slash and get to the hole. You always want an idealized Baylor constructed roster. But even their title team had a rotation of four guards all 6'3" or smaller taking a butt load of threes and a 6'5" guy at the 4. What Baylor did do is play great very tough hard nosed defense at all slots and shoot the ball like a bitch.
Unless somebody develops for us we don't have any true get their own guys. Hawkins or Hutch might down the road. The frosh are not athletic enough. Damonte and Grandison are mechanical. Trent never has been able to. Curbelo is out of control too much, but really attacks to pass- not score.
Somehow or other Plummer has gotten 26 looks from 3 in last three games. If it was so easy to stop him they would have. He doesn't need much room or time. He gets into his textbook one motion shot quickly with a rhythm dip and has a fairly quick release.
He is already into his shooting motion while he is catching and turning in one motion off of curls. This guy probably has the best pure shooting form and feet positioning we have seen here in years. He has range it appears out to 25 feet.
Yes, he is one dimensional as fuck. But, the game is won by who scores the most points. They have to plan for him and that helps create space and time for others.
News Alert- We don't have anyone else who can really create their own shot off the dribble. Curbelo kind of, but too many are circus attempts. And in case you missed last season- we really didn't then either except for Ayo versus weaker defenders.
Good defenders shut him down in half court. Great guy in open court without question.
Feliz was last guy who could actually reliably create his own in half court.
Of course Plummer is not going to hit 6 or 7 threes a game. Of course he will have some games where he is 1-7.
Followed up by a game where he goes 5-8. Would be nice if these kind of guys could go 3/8 every game.
But he certainly could average 2.5 to 3 a game if given enough minutes and shots. He made 2.6 per game last year.
He shot 40% from three at Utah over 2 years in a P5 conference that made the BT look silly last March.
I would say 11-12 ppg avg is very reasonable goal. This is an experienced proven P5 scorer.
He is now averaging 12.6 ppg for us. He went for 13.6 ppg last year.
That’s kind of a straw man. I think a whole lot of him for what he is (a fantastic catch and shoot guy) but being 6’ and not really a creator I think it’ll be fairly easy for teams not named K State or Rio Grande Valley to take him away when we don’t have Trent or AC available as additional threats/distributors.
Teams will see tape and start game planning for him and throwing their best perimeter defender (likely with some length) at him. And he’s a liability on D right now but who isn’t.
And he hasn’t played a season in the B1G where the refs will let opposing guards grab and hold him all game.
I’d love to be wrong.
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I’d expect to get from Plummer what we’ve gotten so far, which is what he was at Utah. A streaky dude who will have multi-game stretches where he shoots 25% and multi-game stretches where he shoots 50+%.
His Junior year at Utah he was shooting in the low-mid 30’s with 2 regular season games left and in those two plus a conference tourney game he went 21/35, finished at 42% on the season.
How effective he is for the team will depend on how quick Underwood gets him out when he’s not making shots, IMO.
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I’d expect to get from Plummer what we’ve gotten so far, which is what he was at Utah. A streaky dude who will have multi-game stretches where he shoots 25% and multi-game stretches where he shoots 50+%.
His Junior year at Utah he was shooting in the low-mid 30’s with 2 regular season games left and in those two plus a conference tourney game he went 21/35, finished at 42% on the season.
How effective he is for the team will depend on how quick Underwood gets him out when he’s not making shots, IMO.
Very fair.
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I’d expect to get from Plummer what we’ve gotten so far, which is what he was at Utah. A streaky dude who will have multi-game stretches where he shoots 25% and multi-game stretches where he shoots 50+%.
His Junior year at Utah he was shooting in the low-mid 30’s with 2 regular season games left and in those two plus a conference tourney game he went 21/35, finished at 42% on the season.
How effective he is for the team will depend on how quick Underwood gets him out when he’s not making shots, IMO.
Gee, mid 30s from three when he is going bad. How terrible. That is an effective FG percentage over 50%.
On this team where apparently nobody else can shoot, I think that will work pretty well.
What part about shooting 40% from three over two years in a P5 conference is so hard to comprehend?
Not a conf tourney, not a 3 game stretch. 2 years. Must have just been lucky.
Yeah, if he misses three in a row pull him. Got it. What should we do with Trent when he returns?
He is 0 for his last 15 on all shots.
May have fatal Alex Legionaires disease.
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That’s kind of a straw man. I think a whole lot of him for what he is (a fantastic catch and shoot guy) but being 6’ and not really a creator I think it’ll be fairly easy for teams not named K State or Rio Grande Valley to take him away when we don’t have Trent or AC available as additional threats/distributors.
Teams will see tape and start game planning for him and throwing their best perimeter defender (likely with some length) at him. And he’s a liability on D right now but who isn’t.
And he hasn’t played a season in the B1G where the refs will let opposing guards grab and hold him all game.
I’d love to be wrong.
Yeah nobody comes within five feet of anyone and not allowed to make contact with another player in the PAC 12. League rule.
You do realize he was their second leading scorer, second most minutes per game, second most shots per game and only perimeter threat.
Who the fuck do you think they put on him, the team manager?
He is not Steph Curry, but he is by far our best perimeter threat on a team that completely sucks right now and unfortunately is going to suck for weeks by your own admission.
I guess it is crazy to think he might score 11-12 ppg.
What am thinking.
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Yeesh Mr. Plummer, keep burning those straw men.
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May have fatal Alex Legionaires disease.
LMAO! good one!
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That is a good one. Hard to believe how bad he was.
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Gee, mid 30s from three when he is going bad. How terrible. That is an effective FG percentage over 50%.
On this team where apparently nobody else can shoot, I think that will work pretty well.
What part about shooting 40% from three over two years in a P5 conference is so hard to comprehend?
Not a conf tourney, not a 3 game stretch. 2 years. Must have just been lucky.
Yeah, if he misses three in a row pull him. Got it. What should we do with Trent when he returns?
He is 0 for his last 15 on all shots.
May have fatal Alex Legionaires disease.
I didn’t say he was lucky, I said he was streaky. And all indications are that he is, including to get to that mid-30’s number to begin with. He shot 27% from three in our first three games. I think I spelled that out pretty clearly to be honest.
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I didn’t say he was lucky, I said he was streaky. And all indications are that he is, including to get to that mid-30’s number to begin with. He shot 27% from three in our first three games. I think I spelled that out pretty clearly to be honest.
They all are. I agree with you. You live with it.
The guys who cannot shoot 40% are much worse.
It is just part of the game.
And Underwood can quit bitching about his defense. Nobody on the team guards right now.
Says they can't guard ball screens. Who is supposed to teach them?
This is how all Underwood teams are. We will start to play defense after a few ugly games in the BT.
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I hate to be the kiss of death here but I was wrong on Plummer. Thought teams would key on him and shut him down. Not the case whatsoever. The other guards stepping up the last several games has kept the defense honest.
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I hate to be the kiss of death here but I was wrong on Plummer. Thought teams would key on him and shut him down. Not the case whatsoever. The other guards stepping up the last several games has kept the defense honest.
He is a having a season so far. He has great form, a quick release, and is really confident. The trio of Trent, Grandison, and Plummer really allows us to spread the floor and Kofi is getting his inside and passing better. Hard to guard them all and hold them for an entire game. As we hoped coming in this could be a dangerous team. Maybe Hawkins will develop and take over the 4 spot.
Hope we keep it going and the defense gets better as we get into the conference grind.