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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: bringbackself on March 23, 2025, 08:12:36 PM
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never lead against loyola
30 -0 run against UCONN
listen its great he brought us back to where we make the tourney every year but thhis is what 4 out of times we have not gotten past hte 2nd rd? and last year we played a 11 seed in 2nd rd
anytime we face a better ranked or seeded team i have no faith we will win. hes not the answer
thanks brad but time to go
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He's got us from Point A to B. Need someone to get us to Point C. Like Chris Beard!!!!
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https://x.com/DPiper247/status/1903968384892440631?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1903968384892440631%7Ctwgr%5E0ae2d9aca0637fdf58e004ec3ece5dae776fb716%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.illinoisloyalty.com%2Fpost%2Fkentucky-84-illinois-75-postgame.38033%2Fpage-12
who built the roster?
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who built the roster?
Correct, Jasn. This is the portal era. Unless you have The Fab Five you go old, like Illinois did last year and went far. You don't go young and then complain about losing again on Sat/Sun.
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Honestly this year went about as well as I expected with so many new faces
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who built the roster?
The comments are brutal
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The comments are brutal
It reminds me that I am not an anomaly
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with so many new faces
Just like Kentucky...
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There are a lot of schools out there that would take him in a heartbeat, many of which are at our caliber. Be careful what you wish for.
I'm on team Underwood. This year was supposed to be a down year. I expect more next year.
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I wasn't thinking of Underwood's future before the game and 1 game isn't going to be the deciding factor.
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I'm on team Underwood. This year was supposed to be a down year. I expect more next year.
Have to think a Jobu would consider this a "kiss of death."
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This would have been our 6th tourney in a row had the one not been cancelled to flatten the curve. All but one of those years would have been a 6 seed or better, signaling top 25 caliber team. 6 20 win seasons in a row which is surprisingly rare. At the top of the league for conference wins over that span. Putting some guys in the league. I had a lot of concerns going into this year and predicted we could have a season like UCLA did last year with a whole new roster and overseas players, but we outdid that by a fair amount.
There is no doubt the program is in good to great shape, but the OTTM results are concerning. Still think it’s a “bite at the apple” game as much as anything, get to the tourney every year with a decent seed, and try to go on a run. Staffs don’t win the way we have the last 5-6 years without good talent evaluation, development, and coaching. We have been scoring at historic rates the last couple of seasons, up amongst the best teams we’ve ever had. On the other hand, the defense has been hot garbage for stretches. Despite the E8 run last year, I think some change needs to be made on the staff to specifically address the defensive woes, even if it’s mostly just an appeasement thing. Not sure the way that the staff wants to play offense is really conducive to having an exceptional defense, kind of like a better version of Iowa.
Anyways hope they figure some shit out and kill it in the portal the next few months. When I think back to the 11-12 years prior to Underwood rescuing us, it reminds me how far we have come and how they’ve continued to adjust and stay relevant. Also, don’t forget to donate early and often to the NIL collective.
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Pretty much.
(https://i.ibb.co/Rp7CrHpG/IMG-9582.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WWsc8KWN)
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I don't know that I can beat up Brad too much for what happened today. There isn't an adjustment out there you can make for constantly giving away possessions with very cavalier ball security. And yes, I'm looking at you, KJ. Good luck trying to be a Harlem Globetrotter in the NBA.
Changes definitely have to be made in staff/philosophy, however. Brad needs to surround himself some solid x's and o's guys on both sides of the ball so he can focus on being the CEO of the operation.
Defense: No more drop coverage. Someone tell Brad, Hamer or whoever was running the defense that sitting back and allowing one guy to pick his spot over and over again is not a winning defensive strategy. A wide open midrange jumper is not a "tough two." Even 93 year old Loren Tate could knock that down with ease.
Offense: How about some more ball movement, cutting to the basket and driving to the hoop instead of trying to hold your own 3 point contest every game? Two point shots are still very much a thing, Brad.
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I don't know that I can beat up Brad too much for what happened today. There isn't an adjustment out there you can make for constantly giving away possessions with very cavalier ball security. And yes, I'm looking at you, KJ. Good luck trying to be a Harlem Globetrotter in the NBA.
Changes definitely have to be made in staff/philosophy, however. Brad needs to surround himself some solid x's and o's guys on both sides of the ball so he can focus on being the CEO of the operation.
Defense: No more drop coverage. Someone tell Brad, Hamer or whoever was running the defense that sitting back and allowing one guy to pick his spot over and over again is not a winning defensive strategy. A wide open midrange jumper is not a "tough two." Even 93 year old Loren Tate could knock that down with ease.
Offense: How about some more ball movement, cutting to the basket and driving to the hoop instead of trying to hold your own 3 point contest every game? Two point shots are still very much a thing, Brad.
quit with the analytic basketball
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I don't know that I can beat up Brad too much for what happened today. There isn't an adjustment out there you can make for constantly giving away possessions with very cavalier ball security. And yes, I'm looking at you, KJ. Good luck trying to be a Harlem Globetrotter in the NBA.
Changes definitely have to be made in staff/philosophy, however. Brad needs to surround himself some solid x's and o's guys on both sides of the ball so he can focus on being the CEO of the operation.
Defense: No more drop coverage. Someone tell Brad, Hamer or whoever was running the defense that sitting back and allowing one guy to pick his spot over and over again is not a winning defensive strategy. A wide open midrange jumper is not a "tough two." Even 93 year old Loren Tate could knock that down with ease.
Offense: How about some more ball movement, cutting to the basket and driving to the hoop instead of trying to hold your own 3 point contest every game? Two point shots are still very much a thing, Brad.
You say there are no adjustments that could be made and then suggest adjustments that should be made....
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Honestly this year went about as well as I expected with so many new faces
This is the era of new faces every year. Rosters aren’t sticking around 4-5 years anymore.
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This is the era of new faces every year. Rosters aren’t sticking around 4-5 years anymore.
Agreed, however just before this year our own coach stated "we" needed to get old and stay old....then goes and plays (has to) 3 freshman a lot of minutes all year and in the most important game against mostly grad's upperclassmen.
Hmmm
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This would have been our 6th tourney in a row had the one not been cancelled to flatten the curve. All but one of those years would have been a 6 seed or better, signaling top 25 caliber team. 6 20 win seasons in a row which is surprisingly rare. At the top of the league for conference wins over that span. Putting some guys in the league. I had a lot of concerns going into this year and predicted we could have a season like UCLA did last year with a whole new roster and overseas players, but we outdid that by a fair amount.
There is no doubt the program is in good to great shape, but the OTTM results are concerning. Still think it’s a “bite at the apple” game as much as anything, get to the tourney every year with a decent seed, and try to go on a run. Staffs don’t win the way we have the last 5-6 years without good talent evaluation, development, and coaching. We have been scoring at historic rates the last couple of seasons, up amongst the best teams we’ve ever had. On the other hand, the defense has been hot garbage for stretches. Despite the E8 run last year, I think some change needs to be made on the staff to specifically address the defensive woes, even if it’s mostly just an appeasement thing. Not sure the way that the staff wants to play offense is really conducive to having an exceptional defense, kind of like a better version of Iowa.
Anyways hope they figure some shit out and kill it in the portal the next few months. When I think back to the 11-12 years prior to Underwood rescuing us, it reminds me how far we have come and how they’ve continued to adjust and stay relevant. Also, don’t forget to donate early and often to the NIL collective.
Reminds me of the Henson years. Which in the moment were a bit frustrating, but in hindsight pretty good.
I wouldn’t launch Brad just to launch him, but I’m not ruling out the possibility we could do better.
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Several years later I’m still at the “wouldn’t be entirely busted up if he left” stance.
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Several years later I’m still at the “wouldn’t be entirely busted up if he left” stance.
Whitman if he does this needs to be like the Texas AD though, had the football replacement set before firing, now had the basketball coach ready to go before firing.
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This is the era of new faces every year. Rosters aren’t sticking around 4-5 years anymore.
To be fair we had one guy (who barely played) return from last year’s veteran team, and had 11 new faces. Purdue, poster child for development and retention, returned most of their team from a year ago, and had a season about like ours. We were the least experienced team in the round of 32. So it was a pretty extreme case, and maybe if guys like Dainja, Harris, Hansberry return we have some more continuity, but think it’s unlikely that group would have gotten us any farther than the group we had did.
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This would have been our 6th tourney in a row had the one not been cancelled to flatten the curve. All but one of those years would have been a 6 seed or better, signaling top 25 caliber team. 6 20 win seasons in a row which is surprisingly rare. At the top of the league for conference wins over that span. Putting some guys in the league. I had a lot of concerns going into this year and predicted we could have a season like UCLA did last year with a whole new roster and overseas players, but we outdid that by a fair amount.
There is no doubt the program is in good to great shape, but the OTTM results are concerning. Still think it’s a “bite at the apple” game as much as anything, get to the tourney every year with a decent seed, and try to go on a run. Staffs don’t win the way we have the last 5-6 years without good talent evaluation, development, and coaching. We have been scoring at historic rates the last couple of seasons, up amongst the best teams we’ve ever had. On the other hand, the defense has been hot garbage for stretches. Despite the E8 run last year, I think some change needs to be made on the staff to specifically address the defensive woes, even if it’s mostly just an appeasement thing. Not sure the way that the staff wants to play offense is really conducive to having an exceptional defense, kind of like a better version of Iowa.
Anyways hope they figure some shit out and kill it in the portal the next few months. When I think back to the 11-12 years prior to Underwood rescuing us, it reminds me how far we have come and how they’ve continued to adjust and stay relevant. Also, don’t forget to donate early and often to the NIL collective.
I agree with this. We have had glaring technical deficits and it seems like we've had to play the right 5 guys to ever play lockdown man defense. Kentucky ran a bunch of standard-playbook well-coached high school plays and our guys didn't have good natural reactions, like how to defend a backdoor cut or a high screen.
With Brad we have reliable tournament-quality teams with the occasional deeper run if we have a guy like Ayo or TSJ. That's better than Groce or Weber and equal to Henson or what Kruger would have done here long-term. I'm sort-of okay with that. I can't fault him for a 6-seed losing to a 3-seed that played well. I can fault him for Loyola, which was a disaster, and at some point not ever pulling off a big-game win vs equals or an upset (Houston, UConn, Arkansas) should sink him because it's an indictment of his coaching at a higher level vs that next level of coach, but I'm not quite there yet.
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in all seriousness.
Has Underwood gotten better as a coach since he started here?
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We were the least experienced team in the round of 32. So it was a pretty extreme case, and maybe if guys like Dainja, Harris, Hansberry return we have some more continuity, but think it’s unlikely that group would have gotten us any farther than the group we had did.
^^^^ This, however, we were the least experienced based on who's decisions or partly due too? If BU chooses for whatever reason to rebuild every year (and I think he is good at it to some extent), then what are we to expect and or be comfortable with as fans. The occasional deep run? That's never been the case and I would hope never will be.
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Why did Ty Rodgers red shirt, other than the 'he's working on his point guard game' story ?
We could have used him.
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I don’t think the plan was to go as young as we ended up. Missed on some experienced guys (Brea, for example) and went with “best available.”
Hoping having Antigua for a full recruiting cycle will help. I can’t stress enough that the name of the game in player acquisition these days is having bags of NIL money first, brand name/developmental history second. And everything needs to be looked at through that lens. We have a pretty decent bag, but we need more to get where we want to be.
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in all seriousness.
Has Underwood gotten better as a coach since he started here?
As a “coach?” I’d say no, not really. As a program leader? I’d say yes.
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I think he's gotten better at talent evaluation and individual player management, but not as a game coach.
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I don’t think Underwood is a world class X and O guy, and is annoyingly stubborn like most coaches to an extent. But you have to remember the first couple of years here he was running pressure D and a spread offense that worked well for him at SFA and OKSU and got him this job.
He’s done pretty well at adjusting the schemes to the personnel and league over the years, evolving to a pack line defense and on offense running high/low with Giorgi and Kofi, PnR with Ayo and Kofi with kickouts, Booty Ball with Domask, having TSJ run downhill into contact whenever we needed something in the half court, going 5 out with bigs that can shoot. Our offense has ranked among the best in the country the last two years with completely different personnel.
In game adjustments don’t seem to be great, and there are times the teams just don’t seem to be prepared, but I imagine that every fanbase would say that about their coach. At the end of the day though in this mercenary market it’s probably more about the Jimmies and Joes than ever before.
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Brad was smart (but should haven’t taken a genius to figure out) to abandon his old systems.
I think he’s gotten better as a recruiter (but I think Antigua is doing a lot of the heavy lifting in this regard).
I think Brad is a mediocre at best Xs and Os coach. Teams often don’t play to their strengths. Can’t make adjustments even months on end.
He’s learned how to play the NIL game for the most part. He’ll have a decent team on the floor, but doesn’t seem to know how to make the pieces fit.
Hiring your son is a bullshit nepo move. At least call one of your buddies and make him coach at a lower level a couple years before you hire him as an assistant.
Bottom line. He’s ok. We could do better, but historically we’ve also done worse. Pushing him out comes with risk. I’d only be for change if I was highly confident the next guy was a step up.
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I get that maybe the optics aren’t great, but Tyler being on the staff is one of my least concerns. Supposedly he is an offensive guru and our two offenses since he was promoted have been really good despite a complete roster turnover. Seems like the Hamer guy that coaches the “defense” is the one that needs to go. I’d imagine Tyler will eventually get a look somewhere else.
Of all Big Ten teams since KenPom began tracking in 1996-97, only Bo Ryan's Wisconsin Badgers in 2014-15 had a higher adjusted OER than Illinois last season.
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OER? that's a made up stat. Didn't win us enough games did it
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OER? that's a made up stat. Didn't win us enough games did it
Those analytics are favored by teams that want to distract from stats like "Wins" and "Losses" and losers who get shitcanned like Dan Bernstein!
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Of all Big Ten teams since KenPom began tracking in 1996-97, only Bo Ryan's Wisconsin Badgers in 2014-15 had a higher adjusted OER than Illinois last season.
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We really could score last year once we got Domask and TSJ both going in second half of year and Hawkins actually mysteriously could shoot for a stretch of games. We couldn't defend. 80th in country.
I don't think Mini Me Brad is any sort of guru. He is advertised as an analytic guy but if you are only shooting 31% from three all year and taking them at the extreme rate we were it actually really limits your EFG%. We were only 98th in country in EFG% and slightly above above the D1 average. We could have been much better with adjustments.
We really were not much better than we were in November in March. The buck stops with Brad.
I actually think this team underperformed considering the level of talent.
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I think they have to shoot open threes to make the offense work. It only takes 3-4 possessions of guys passing on open looks for defenses to adjust to clog the lanes. It’s part of why TSJ was much less effective when Dainja was in games last year. The Underwoods talk a lot about wanting to shoot 40 or so percent of shots from 3 and clean up the offensive glass and play high possession games. When you get a lot of offensive rebounds being the 300th and whatever percentage 3 point shooting team isn’t as big a deal. Yeah we bricked some of the rebounds too, but we also got a lot of putbacks and dunks and second chance threes throughout the season.
Fact is they brought in guys to play this way and they didn’t shoot as well as expected as a unit. We seemed to get everyone on fire at once or no one. That’s why we either won by double digits or lost by double digits in so many games. Tomi is pretty ineffective posting up and leaves most shots short then gets whistled for being over the back on the boards. Morez can’t shoot outside of 8’ and Ben was…well, Ben. I’m not really sure what adjustments could have been made down the stretch with this roster and the injury and sickness issues we had. When were we going to implement the wholesale changes? Sucks the guys that came in that shot better elsewhere didn’t shoot as well here, but a lot of this massive turnover era is a crapshoot for all schools involved. For every guy you get like Domask you probably get 3-4 like Ben and Booth.
The idea of building a team around an 18 year old precocious Euro PG and a 7’1” finesse big man that allows the 5 out style seemed pretty good when you looked at the other pieces, and for many games it did. Unfortunately there were a lot of games it didn’t, and where do you pivot from there? Outside of Boswell who could really get to the rim at will later in this season? Different players had games they could, but not with any consistentcy. They weren’t built for that. They did that wrinkle though off the PnR with bit of a high-low set and more cutters to the basket down the lane, but we threw it away almost as much as we threaded the needle for a layup or dunk. Which is on inexperience and lack of chemistry due to being a whole new team and all the aforementioned issues.
A huge miss on this roster was not having another serviceable but that had a little inside scoring game and some rim protection. Having Morez out for 5 weeks really hurt. If Murph would quit buying overpriced homes and donate to ICON we could have had Brea and got Hawkins back.
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We get the same bill of sale every year. Our shooters are elite.
In past years we tried going with the "every day guys mantra" but that wasn't brought up this year. I'm not sure if we were incapable of that, just focused on offense or probably a combination. We may be big but we didn't seem to match up well in a lot of games with strength and athleticism.
Boswell finished the season well. Good for the local guy.
And Brad's not going anywhere as long as there's no trouble, the donors support him and attendance stays good.
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Maybe in around 6 years from now?
https://www.on3.com/college/illinois-fighting-illini/news/bret-bielema-brad-underwood-illinois-announces-long-term-contract-extensions/
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Maybe in around 6 years from now?
https://www.on3.com/college/illinois-fighting-illini/news/bret-bielema-brad-underwood-illinois-announces-long-term-contract-extensions/
Well deserved…
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Grade for Underwood last year just now on ESPN…
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/45129529/big-ten-report-cards-grades-2024-2025
(https://i.ibb.co/4gWQDKhm/IMG-6430.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S7NL15Fs)
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Good for both coaches.
And hopefully a great football season coming up with an experienced squad returning.
Underwood could get an A+ and COY mention if he, or Lil Underwood, spent any time here. :D
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It is great what historic 30-0 runs in TOTTM and lambasted by Duke will get you.
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Grade for Underwood last year just now on ESPN…
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/45129529/big-ten-report-cards-grades-2024-2025
(https://i.ibb.co/4gWQDKhm/IMG-6430.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S7NL15Fs)
That is for BT teams only.
So he gets an "A" for a team that finished 7th in BT and was easily ousted in second round of NCAA's?
The only one I would give an A to is Izzo.
Underwood gets a B/B-.
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So he gets an "A" for a team that finished 7th in BT and was easily ousted in second round of NCAA's?
Gen Z grading on a curve. You show up you get an A.
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Gen Z grading on a curve. You show up you get an A.
My kid used to get juiceboxes at halftime of her soccer games when she was 6 years old.
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LkDog putting things in perspective. ;D
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I think he did a great job considering he had one returning player
the one returning player thing is kind of a concern but... yeah this year we have a few more so yay?
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Everybody turns over their rotation each year now.
Nothing that unusual here. It's AAU summer league ball.
He did collect some talent without question.
Putting it together and coaching them has been his and staff issue.
Next year looks better on paper if they can add an athletic wing.
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Everybody turns over their rotation each year now.
Nothing that unusual here. It's AAU summer league ball.
He did collect some talent without question.
Putting it together and coaching them has been his and staff issue.
Next year looks better on paper if they can add an athletic wing.
Looks like they got a coach specializing in player development. Hopefully that’s a plus.
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The athletic has Will Riley going 31st. 😔
Not good.
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The athletic has Will Riley going 31st. 😔
Not good.
Supposedly we have a bag to bring him back in this situation, I believe.
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Everybody turns over their rotation each year now.
Nothing that unusual here. It's AAU summer league ball.
He did collect some talent without question.
Putting it together and coaching them has been his and staff issue.
Next year looks better on paper if they can add an athletic wing.
That seems to me to be the missing link as well.
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Supposedly we have a bag to bring him back in this situation, I believe.
Yes, I’ve heard this is a REALLY STRONG possibility of happening…
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The 31st pick in last year's draft, Jonathan Mogbo, was given a 3 year $6 million contract worth $1.8 million his 1st year.
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He's one of the few guys who I really think his stock could rise substantially with another year in college
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Agreed, if he's not lottery now, a year of strength and developing as the perimeter alpha scorer would probably get him there.
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Agreed, if he's not lottery now, a year of strength and developing as the perimeter alpha scorer would probably get him there.
This. That’s why the staff is holding onto that one open scholly still. Let’s hope he comes back for one more season…
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Thr 31st pick in last year's draft received $1.8 million for his 1st year of a $6 million over 3 years contract.
If we've got $2 million in NIL for Will then he's looking at staying for the same amount of money as last year's 31st pick, with the possibility of increasing it in next year's draft.
Barring I won't say the word, he could be much better off by waiting a year for the NBA and getting stronger while working on his game.
But kids will be kids.
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9 seasons 1 showing past 1st weekend gets a 6 year extension? Wow
What have we become
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9 seasons 1 showing past 1st weekend gets a 6 year extension? Wow
What have we become
9 seasons of bringing us back to national attention, a #1 Euro recruiting base, more B1G wins in timeframe than any other school, several B1G C-Ships or in the running late and NBA draftees annually now.....alot more than picking out just the NCAA tournament run. That listed are all reasons that many schools would love to poach him if it continues...sign him and keep him.
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9 seasons of bringing us back to national attention, a #1 Euro recruiting base, more B1G wins in timeframe than any other school, several B1G C-Ships or in the running late and NBA draftees annually now.....alot more than picking out just the NCAA tournament run. That listed are all reasons that many schools would love to poach him if it continues...sign him and keep him.
+1
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Gen Z grading on a curve. You show up you get an A.
to be fair, now if you don't get an A+ you have to go to Junior College and get all A+ to transfer in as a junior to Little Sisters of the Poor University. The letters change but the bell curve is the same
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+1
-30-0 run.
There is a reason it is referred to as The Only Tournament That Matters.
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-30-0 run.
There is a reason it is referred to as The Only Tournament That Matters.
That’s a very small sample size…
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For all you Underwood haters…
What you that about Matt Painter?
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That’s a very small sample size…
It was, what, 20 minutes of a 40 minute game?
Ok. -50. Representing the Duke blowout of out Final Four team.
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For all you Underwood haters…
What you that about Matt Painter?
Glad he's not here.
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Glad he's not here.
Would you consider him successful?!
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It was, what, 20 minutes of a 40 minute game?
Ok. -50. Representing the Duke blowout of out Final Four team.
Did duke suck this year because they didn't win it all?
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Would you consider him successful?!
He's meh. You could do worse as Illinois has in the past.
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Did duke suck this year because they didn't win it all?
They would think they did. But then they actually have high expectations, unlike fans at Illinois who think getting your ass kicked by 50 warrants a 6 year extension.
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Supposedly we have a bag to bring him back in this situation, I believe.
I am guessing $2 million easy.
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I have a real hard time with that A grade. Starting with the end of '24, the staff failed to retain several players who would've started in 24-25. Recruiting in bringing in Riley, KJ, Ivisic, Morez, and Boswell was outstanding; White was okay, the rest are busts. Depth was an issue all season. We had multiple bad losses (Northwestern, USC, Nebraska, Rutgers) before the flu streak where we got smashed. Some highlights but ultimately an unranked 6 seed with losses in the 2nd round of both the B1G and NCAAs.
That's, like, a B in the B1G.
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For all you Underwood haters…
What you that about Matt Painter?
Who would you take?
Brad or Painter?
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Who would you take?
Brad or Painter?
Brad
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Brad
Painter is 7-4 vs Brad.
Since 20-21 Brad is 6-12 against non conf top 25 teams while Painter is 14-3
brad is 6-5 in Ncaa Painter is 9-5
I'll take Painter any day of the week
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Jasn with the stats
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Painter is awesome for sure, and deserves all the credit in the world for what he’s accomplished. But let’s not pretend that he’s always going to have a 7’4” dominant freak that plays a full 4 years in college at one school, which really skews those stats. I also don’t think he’s going to be able to maintain continuity forever the way that he has so far unless college basketball gets some framework in place to help keep kids from just chasing the biggest bag every off season. He’s also had a string of losses to double digit seeds that would have PAMan stroking out.
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yeah losing to a 16 and 15 seed with Edey? lol
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Yeah, I’ll reiterate, Brad all day for me…
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Wow. Just wow
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Wow. Just wow
These are the Illinois revenue generating sports fans I have been droning on about, Jasn!
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These are the Illinois revenue generating sports fans I have been droning on about, Jasn!
Imagine if I Asked izzo or brad
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Imagine if I Asked izzo or brad
We both know what their answer would be!
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We both know what their answer would be!
Izzo.
Although I think his projection/trajectory is headed down and Brad’s is headed up in the next 10 years…
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Izzo.
Although I think his projection/trajectory is headed down and Brad’s is headed up in the next 10 years…
What? Why?
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I have a real hard time with that A grade. Starting with the end of '24, the staff failed to retain several players who would've started in 24-25. Recruiting in bringing in Riley, KJ, Ivisic, Morez, and Boswell was outstanding; White was okay, the rest are busts. Depth was an issue all season. We had multiple bad losses (Northwestern, USC, Nebraska, Rutgers) before the flu streak where we got smashed. Some highlights but ultimately an unranked 6 seed with losses in the 2nd round of both the B1G and NCAAs.
That's, like, a B in the B1G.
As I've said, I'm for keeping Brad, unless we have an obvious upgrade lined up. Then I'd dump him like a bad habit.
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Painter is 7-4 vs Brad.
Since 20-21 Brad is 6-12 against non conf top 25 teams while Painter is 14-3
brad is 6-5 in Ncaa Painter is 9-5
I'll take Painter any day of the week
In fairness, Painter's first 15 years or so at Purdue were pretty meh.
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In fairness, Painter's first 15 years or so at Purdue were pretty meh.
Well no, he had the baby boilers and they were really good. Most of the next 10 years after that were not that great. Then he had the Carsen Edwards teams then some more meh then the Edey teams.
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Underwood is 61 years old.
One S16 in his career.
We have him signed for six more years??
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Underwood is 61 years old.
One S16 in his career.
We have him signed for six more years??
You know as well as I do that there are a lot of other stats that support your last question. Doesn’t mean he’s perfect but he’s been light years ahead of where we’ve been. Personally I’ve enjoyed being nationally relevant every year.
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You know as well as I do that there are a lot of other stats that support your last question. Doesn’t mean he’s perfect but he’s been light years ahead of where we’ve been. Personally I’ve enjoyed being nationally relevant every year.
Setting records in TOTTM will get you mentioned nationally.
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Underwood is 61 years old.
One S16 in his career.
We have him signed for six more years??
Young at heart…😁
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After seeing our performance in the ncaa tourney under Brad I really don't see how people think he's the answer.
Thanks for getting us to where we are ,I just don't see him being the one to close the deal
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Brad is most likely going nowhere unless he does a no no or someone better wants bro hugs with Josh.
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Brad is most likely going nowhere unless he does a no no or someone better wants bro hugs with Josh.
He’s here till he retires unless scandal or totally flops…