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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: Custard on January 03, 2024, 12:09:40 AM
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Underwood also confirmed that they spent a lot of time gameplanning for the Cats post trap. It certainly showed so kudos to the staff and the players for executing. The buy in from these kids is tremendous. It's like night and day from last year's squad.
Shot selection has improved significantly. Even Hawkins isn't taking as many "wtf" step back threes anymore.
Let’s hope we can put together a game plan to counter Purdue. I think our length and athleticism could give them fits at the guard spots. Like everyone else, we have no answer for Edey.
We will double and dig on Edey, which means there is always going to be a guy wide tf open when Edey has the ball. Our length will help us with closeouts in those instances. I wouldn’t be mad if we applied a little pressure to their ball handlers. I think we contain Loyer but Smith gives us problems.
I still only give us like a 10% chance of us winning at Mackey without Shannon. Place is a nightmare to play at and they’ll be comfy. We won’t shoot nearly as well there. See us trailing 3-12 points most of the game. Never really out of it, clawing and fighting, but never really feeling like we have a chance to win, either.
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^^^^ this well done.
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Feeding off your thought in the NW thread: Dain was a bad matchup and looked awful against Purdue last year so I’m thinking we really need Coleman to bring Edey outside, take good threes, and make 2-3 of them. He also has to stay out of foul trouble on the other end, which I fear is going to be an issue. Hopefully Dain has a better experience this time around.
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Where teams have played them close or in the case of NU, beat them, it appears some combination of a few things is going on.
PU turns it over more than normal. (We unfortunately do not force TOs)
Opponent shoots very well and/or gets to line a lot. (We have been en fuego lately)
Purdue is cold from deep. (We have been great at contesting twos, not bad at threes. They can shoot the three this year)
A critical factor will be rebounding.
Teams getting beat on boards vs Purdue. (We can rebound with them so this might get us more possessions than other teams).
Stick Rodgers on Smith and hope he can stay in front of him and disrupt their half court sets.
Shoot well from both two and threes. We are amazingly up to 34.6% on threes. Just stay hot one more game.
Rebound with them. We will.
Keep them from going off from three. They are at 39% this year and were as bad as us last year.
Goode or Harmon need to have a surprising game.
Guerrier, Domask, and Hawkins need to maintain level of recent play. None of them can lay an egg.
Forget about Edey. Just make him work. He is going to get his.
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Biggest thing that worries me about Edey especially at their place is his ability to put some of our guys on the bench with fouls.
He draws almost 10 fouls per 40 minutes which is nuts. And I promise he will get at least 3-4 really questionable ones in his favor on Friday.
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Feeding off your thought in the NW thread: Dain was a bad matchup and looked awful against Purdue last year so I’m thinking we really need Coleman to bring Edey outside, take good threes, and make 2-3 of them. He also has to stay out of foul trouble on the other end, which I fear is going to be an issue. Hopefully Dain has a better experience this time around.
Dainja should be in the game whenever Edey is not, to capitalize on his abilities. CoHawk can hopefully make a slimmer Edey play more on perimeter, should open up some back cuts (overplays), and wing slashes (Guerrier-Rodgers). If Edey gets into foul trouble, I actually think the remaining Purdue team is even less equipped to deal with CoHawk/Guerrier.
Potential scoring in order to beat Purdue at home will need to be around:
Domask - 20 pts or more, likely it will be around this as he can command alot of attention and get to the foul line, less than 4 turnovers overall.
Guerrier - 13-15 pts going against Furst/Heide/Grillis - 8 rebounds
CoHawk - 12-18 against Edey and Furst/Grillis, 5-10 rebounds
Harmon - 8 pts to 12 pts.
Goode - 3-4 3's and 5 rebounds
Rodgers - 8 pts-10 rebounds-less than 4 turnovers (handling the ball primarily).
Dainja - 5-10 pts with 5-8 rebounds if minutes are there.
This in theory would give us a low water point mark of 75 points and a high of nearly 100 once again. Defense will prevail as will the physicality of the B1G will creep in as well, so the low water mark might be the most expected outcome.
Purdue averages 85 pts per game, the ILLINI give up an average of 65 pts per game.
ILLINI average 84 pts per game, the Boilers give up an average of 67 pts per game.
Expect a game in the low-mid 70's, with Purdue winning by less than 5 imo at home.
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Biggest thing that worries me about Edey especially at their place is his ability to put some of our guys on the bench with fouls.
He draws almost 10 fouls per 40 minutes which is nuts. And I promise he will get at least 3-4 really questionable ones in his favor on Friday.
This will be a problem as it is for everyone. Hawkins especially needs to stay under control and not get any stupid fouls or lose his focus.
I would put Guerrier on Edey also. They both need to contest but not foul and stay on the floor.
We have nobody on bench that can play him inside. Dainja will get abused by Edey.
You see teams rally when their best player is out in sports.
At some point they go back more to their mean.
Not sure what that level is yet without TSj.
Has been a great effort so far though and better than anyone could have hoped.
I anticipate a close game if we are playing at this inspired level, but a loss.
If things go off track I think 12-15 loss possible.
But I think we will not be overmatched against anyone else in league if we keep playing this solid defense.
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If we shoot like we did last night nobody can beat us even Purdue
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Why are we discussing this? Just wait until the game is played. We shouldn’t speculate when we don’t know what’s gonna happen yet. Take this down now please…
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If we shoot like we did last night nobody can beat us even Purdue
In last four games we have made over 10 threes a game and are shooting 40% .
42/106.
We will need 10 or more threes to stay with Purdue. Who knows. Taking better looks. Maybe we are developing into a solid three point team.
Changes everything.
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In last four games we have made over 10 threes a game and are shooting 40% .
42/106.
We will need 10 or more threes to stay with Purdue. Who knows. Taking better looks. Maybe we are developing into a solid three point team.
Changes everything.
Hawkins has been playing amazing, he's like Joakim Noah that can make a three once in a while
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Edey is going to get his. We're gonna have to be content with that. If we're going to double him, gotta recover to their shooters quickly because they have guys who can kill you from deep. We should also expect Edey to get a fuck ton of calls because, well..he's Zack Edey and it's in Mackey.
I wonder if Painter is going to have Lance Jones guard Marcus Domask so we can get the battle of former SIU teammates. That would be fun.
We're going to have to bring some of the hot shooting in the last 3 games here if we want to make a statement. We're playing with some of the biggest house money ever here. I'd be good with a hard fought loss.
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Hawkins has been playing amazing, he's like Joakim Noah that can make a three once in a while
Hawkins is up to 35% from three on the year. He finally cut down on the Harden step back threes and is shooting the open ones with a lot more confidence now.
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Hawkins is up to 35% from three on the year. He finally cut down on the Harden step back threes and is shooting the open ones with a lot more confidence now.
Yeah his shooting lately has been much better in the selection department. His defense last night though was 😍
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I still only give us like a 10% chance of us winning at Mackey without Shannon. Place is a nightmare to play at and they’ll be comfy. We won’t shoot nearly as well there. See us trailing 3-12 points most of the game. Never really out of it, clawing and fighting, but never really feeling like we have a chance to win, either.
Lol. Greg on Sleepers Media just said he gives us 10% chance to win and 90% chance of single digits PU win. Good discussion.
https://youtu.be/_JAaRQVkxIg
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We should also expect Edey to get a fuck ton of calls because, well..he's Zack Edey and it's in Mackey.
He will and he won't get many against him either...14 games played and only has 21 fouls against him....less than 2 fouls a game from a 7'4 guy.
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He doesn’t have to foul. He does, but he doesn’t have to.
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Playing with house money here guys. Really looking forward to this matchup. Basically any outcome other than getting blown out is a positive for us. Kinda crazy that #1 Purdue at home has the pressure on them to win this one.
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Playing with house money here guys. Really looking forward to this matchup. Basically any outcome other than getting blown out is a positive for us. Kinda crazy that #1 Purdue at home has the pressure on them to win this one.
I think if we shut down their perimeter scoring early and stay close into second half they will start to feel the pressure.
Make it a 10 minute game and anything can happen.
Agree-nothing to lose.
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Playing with house money here guys. Really looking forward to this matchup. Basically any outcome other than getting blown out is a positive for us. Kinda crazy that #1 Purdue at home has the pressure on them to win this one.
What I think is the funniest part of the pressure being on Purdue, is that pressure is being applied by others not on All-American lists. It would be pressure with TSJ, without him, if we are close it may be suffocating to them throughout the game.
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Purdue needs this game more than we do. If we win tonight, we're 2 up on them in the standings and become the odds on favorite to win the conference. If we lose, we were never expected to win the conference anyway.
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Purdue is favored by 10.5 right now 😭
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Domask should dominate Smith all night. Booty ball every time down…
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Ugly
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They’ve got way more intensity than we do so far…
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Ugly
And you know ugly
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They don’t even guard Rodgers. With Edey in the middle, can’t play Rodgers because he’s not getting to the rim with their pack defense. Need players who can hit 3’s.
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And you know ugly
If you only knew…
Go back to sucking Biden’s dick on the Deuce old man. Stay in your lane…
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Losing your best player catches up at some point.
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If you only knew…
Go back to sucking Biden’s dick on the Deuce old man. Stay in your lane…
Kids....kids, c'mon.
Illini starting to get some cuts to the rim.
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Let’s fucking go!
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Two fouls on Edey. Time to make them pay!
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If you only knew…
Go back to sucking Biden’s dick on the Deuce old man. Stay in your lane…
Stay on the bench like Zach Edey!
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Bad shot, DGL.
Grab a rebound FFS
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Just getting out played and they are way more aggressive than we are…
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Boilers up 11 with Edey on the bench last 5 minutes. Not good.
They are out working us and annihilating us on the boards.
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They didn't like us getting to down only 3.
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They’re 6-9 from three. Yikes.
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And out rebounding is 25-16.
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Just getting out played and they are way more aggressive than we are…
Play so hard to come from 16 down to cut it to 3 and then go back to sleep.
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They’re 6-9 from three. Yikes.
7 of 10 now.
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And out rebounding is 25-16.
And Edey sitting. ??
Dainja can't get anything done.
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What the fuck is Hawkins doing there?!
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And Edey sitting. ??
Dainja can't get anything done.
Dainja should be in more when Edey is out in my opinion.
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Unless TSJ pulls a Bobby Boucher and magically shows up at halftime, I don’t see us pulling this out.
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-Rodgers had a hard time w/ B. Smith.
-Purdue shot 7/10 from 3pt
- Goode continues to be disappointing as a starter
-And of course the rebounding.
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What the fuck is Hawkins doing there?!
Being Hawkins.
And then bitching at the refs on way to locker room. Now the refs will really screw the Illini over. "Foul, #33, rolling his eyes, waving his arms".
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You can’t play Rodgers against these guys.
Even the announcer said it’s like playing 4 on 5 and Edey is the forever help guy sitting right in the lane.
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You can’t play Rodgers against these guys.
Agreed 100%. We're trying to force our preferred game instead of adjusting against the no. 1 team in the US on the road. This game needs more Dainja and even Hansberry down low to burn fouls and not play 4 v 5 on offense.
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You can’t play Rodgers against these guys.
Even the announcer said it’s like playing 4 on 5 and Edey is the forever help guy sitting right in the lane.
This is not the game for Rodgers. Can’t play 4 on 5 against elite teams.
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This Kaufman-Renn dude having a career game.
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Stop crying, Hawkins
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We can’t make anything. 4 on Edey. Need to come back here in the next few mins if we have any chance. Need to heat up and rebound.
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Dainja should be in the game.
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Kaufman renn averaging 6 ppg. 23 tonight.
Tale as old as fucking time for opponents against us.
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Kaufman renn averaging 6 ppg. 23 tonight.
Tale as old as fucking time for opponents against us.
Yes it is.
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Down 9. It’s probably over, but man we’re fighting. Without TSJ, we’re fighting and hanging in there. Single digit loss is at least respectable.
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Domask is so good when he wants to be.
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Hawkins, what the fuck man, you can’t turn that over there 😩
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2 possession game inside a minute. Unbelievable, and also imagine if we didn't come out as flat as possible.
Domask was a damn steal.
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He made up for it there!!! Wow!!!!!
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Way to make up for that turnover, Coleman
3 point game. Amazing.
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Win or lose, this is a damn good team without TSJ still. Love this fight, experience, and poise in the face of adversity.
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We fought back on the road in a hostile environment against the #1 team without our NPOY candidate.
Still feeling pretty good about our squad.
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Valiant effort
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We fought back on the road in a hostile environment against the #1 team without our NPOY candidate.
Still feeling pretty good about our squad.
We have a better start to the game and might’ve been a different game. Should be a solid tournament team and top 2-4 in B1G still.
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Very encouraging run from this group.
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42% from 3, 11 turnnovers with 4 in the 2nd half, 18-21 on free shots.
A good ball game for us.
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Still 2-1 in conference play with a string of winnable games coming up.
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Guerrier with a 3rd straight double double, 18 pts 10 rbs
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Not mad about this loss. Had we not had such a shitty start- would would have won this.
I hate mackey arena. Hostile enviroment with homer officiating. My least favorite arena in the Big10
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ILLINI may drop based on other teams, but other than the rough start to the game, they have nothing to hang their heads about really.
On the road vs #1 ranked team in a place they historically do not do well in, regardless of rankings, and against the #1 player in the nation, without arguably our Top #5 type of player...overall, well done boys, way to fight all the way.
CoHawk is emerging
Guerrier is a man against boys many nights
Domask may very well be working on a draft resume, he can just do a little of everything all the time.
Goode, starting to look like he belongs out there
Harmon again playing tough and knocking down some shots when needed
DGL got a little run finally and looked under control with exception of ill advised step back jumper
Dain, well very few games may suit his skill set unfortunately.
On the to next one 2-1 conference and right where we need to be.
5-1 or 4-2 in the next 6 games.
Purdue may win them all until they meet up against us again.
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With Edey playing off of Rodgers, wonder why high/low or wing back cut lobs wouldn't have worked. I know BU admitted he didn't plan for this as much as he should have, but in game he could of had Rodgers back door lob a few times???
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That’s probably the best anyone will do all year against Edey, home or away.
We got absolutely murdered on the boards. Purdue outrebounds everyone, but man did it seem like the bounces went their way tonight. Thought maybe our length at guard and wing might have been in our favor in that regard.
We looked uncomfortable from the jump and short armed some wide open shots right off the bat. That little double they were throwing at Domask really disrupted us early. We missed some defensive assignments in transition, they couldn’t miss, and all of a sudden it was 20-4. Wasn’t expecting that kind of start from this veteran group.
After we adjusted and settled in we outplayed them the rest of the game. Plenty of opportunity to have really made them sweat or even have won this one. Not happy we spent a big part of the game down so big, but glad we fought back and made it a game. If someone would have told me before the game that we’d lose by 5, I’d have taken it.
Anyone else think Brad told them not to foul at the end to keep the final score closer for the metrics? That’s what I was begging them to do while watching.
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PU shot 47% from 3, outrebounded us by 15, started the game up 20-4, and managed to hang onto a 3 pt lead with 13 sec to go on their home floor.
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PU shot 47% from 3, outrebounded us by 15, started the game up 20-4, and managed to hang onto a 3 pt lead with 13 sec to go on their home floor.
Both teams shot well. Domask and Guerrier and Hawkins all produced at high level and Goode had what is hopefully a breakout game as a starter.
Edey only playing 23 minutes and five shots was a weird anomaly but so was Renn going off.
We got creamed on the boards which was also odd.
I think other teams will take note and also give Rodgers the Chet Frazier treatment and negate the Hawkins stretch 5 sets. We will need to prep for that and surprised other teams have not done that already.
We are a solid very competitive team.
Guerrier and Domask have stepped up beyond what anyone could have hoped for. A couple weeks ago we were lamenting we did not have a second scoring option to go with TSj.
We now have three scoring options and maybe a 4th.
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Not sure why Rodgers doesn’t practice shooting…
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Not sure why Rodgers doesn’t practice shooting…
Maybe been spending too much time practicing free shots.
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Maybe been spending too much time practicing free shots.
True. Never understood how a scholarship college basketball player can’t shoot a basketball. I mean I know it happens but he won’t even take a jump shot. He’s a 6’ 6” guard/forward and can’t shoot a basketball while on a scholarship at a major college university. Odd…
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He only played 13 minutes. They couldn't use the isolation plays for Domask and others if Edey was playing a one man zone clogging the paint and ignoring Rodgers and it allowed them to put a quicker guy on Hawkins.
Harmon played 24 and DGL 9.
Rodgers is shooting 68% on FTs which is a big improvement. If he can make a 15 footer then he can start taking midrange jumpers and the 3 point line is only 22 feet.
He will have to start shooting at some point.
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Would have been nice if we played better an additional 20 minutes, oh well on to the next one. A lot of things to like about this team!
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True. Never understood how a scholarship college basketball player can’t shoot a basketball. I mean I know it happens but he won’t even take a jump shot. He’s a 6’ 6” guard/forward and can’t shoot a basketball while on a scholarship at a major college university. Odd…
He's not a shooting guard. :D
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He only played 13 minutes. They couldn't use the isolation plays for Domask and others if Edey was playing a one man zone clogging the paint and ignoring Rodgers and it allowed them to put a quicker guy on Hawkins.
Harmon played 24 and DGL 9.
Rodgers is shooting 68% on FTs which is a big improvement. If he can make a 15 footer then he can start taking midrange jumpers and the 3 point line is only 20 feet 9 inches.
He will have to start shooting at some point.
we have 4 other guys in the starting lineup that should be shooting 3's over Rodgers so that's nice. Wish DGL was more ready to go. Rodgers does bring some matchup problems against lesser teams, and some stellar rebounding for a guard, but if he can drive and dish and booty ball inside, that's useful too. Tough against a team that rakes you hard on every drive like Purdue does though. Good to see his free throw shooting has improved dramatically.
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we have 4 other guys in the starting lineup that should be shooting 3's over Rodgers so that's nice. Wish DGL was more ready to go. Rodgers does bring some matchup problems against lesser teams, and some stellar rebounding for a guard, but if he can drive and dish and booty ball inside, that's useful too. Tough against a team that rakes you hard on every drive like Purdue does though. Good to see his free throw shooting has improved dramatically.
All true, but the twist Purdue used to have Edey guard him served multple purposes in addition to the one man zone to also negate the Hawkins matchup pulling the other team's 5 out.
Will be interesting to see how teams play us with Rodgers in moving forward.
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All true, but the twist Purdue used to have Edey guard him served multple purposes in addition to the one man zone to also negate the Hawkins matchup pulling the other team's 5 out.
Will be interesting to see how teams play us with Rodgers in moving forward.
he tried a runner in the center of the lane early and just missed it, not sure why he didn't try another one, something for him to practice in practice I guess lol
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Other teams could try the Purdue strategy on Ty but then again those other teams in the conference won't have a 7'4 NPOY mammoth guarding the paint.
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We missed a lot early vs Edey. It's not as tho we were missing shots tho, Edey altered every one because of his height.
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We had a couple bunnies in the lane we short armed and Edey wasn’t contesting. It’s like they were scared of the thought of him contesting the shots.
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Maybe been spending too much time practicing free shots.
Heard he’s been to a few Bulls games.
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Heard he’s been to a few Bulls games.
Doubt that is true.
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Domask is the Big Ten player of the week. Well deserved!