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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: ILLINICHIEF on December 07, 2023, 08:36:57 AM
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-illinois-cracks-top-10-after-prolific-shooting-performance-in-fau-win/
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-illinois-cracks-top-10-after-prolific-shooting-performance-in-fau-win/
It's damn good to see this once again, not sure how long it will last, but damn good to see.
Duke lost not once, but twice and still is 20th....any other team not a blue blood would have dropped out completely.
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Well, shit. There's the kiss of death
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Well, shit. There's the kiss of death
Well so far my reverse psychology has been working so, there is no way they stay this high....
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So these are power rankings.
We will see where we sit after the Tennessee game.
I think even with a road loss, we will be in Top 15 territory.
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Noice.
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So these are power rankings.
We will see where we sit after the Tennessee game.
I think even with a road loss, we will be in Top 15 territory.
Agreed Top 15 is legit with how our team has played so far, optimism springs eternal for ILLINI basketball fans. This year I think it is deserved. Ceiling is Top 8-10, Floor is Bottom of the Top 25 or out all of which could happen.
No one team has really seperated themselves as a clear #1 and NCAA "obvious" winner imo so far.
Hawkins has played no where close to what we have expected from the time he got here, but more importantly if he can get back to a little closer to last year and defense like this year so far, well we have something.
Domask is finally doing everything that BU has ASKED him to do, be aggressive, be the go too, be the PG and lead. If he is a shell of the last game production night in and night out going forward, well we have something.
TSJ well we DO have something and we are lucky.
Dainja keep moving those feet and don't dribble into the lane area, and he will be fine.
Guerrier showing what he can provide, will probably end up being our leading rebounder
Rodgers, just play you, not PG, not F, just TR, and we will have something.
This year IF we continue to play full games, defensively hold our own, I really think this is BU best squad and the closest skill set/height mix that we have had since the Flyin Illini days. We are no where near as athletic, but across the board, very close size and ability to mix positions.
We could go far this year, Elite 8 should be the goal if not more.
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Agreed Top 15 is legit with how our team has played so far, optimism springs eternal for ILLINI basketball fans. This year I think it is deserved. Ceiling is Top 8-10, Floor is Bottom of the Top 25 or out all of which could happen.
No one team has really seperated themselves as a clear #1 and NCAA "obvious" winner imo so far.
Hawkins has played no where close to what we have expected from the time he got here, but more importantly if he can get back to a little closer to last year and defense like this year so far, well we have something.
Domask is finally doing everything that BU has ASKED him to do, be aggressive, be the go too, be the PG and lead. If he is a shell of the last game production night in and night out going forward, well we have something.
TSJ well we DO have something and we are lucky.
Dainja keep moving those feet and don't dribble into the lane area, and he will be fine.
Guerrier showing what he can provide, will probably end up being our leading rebounder
Rodgers, just play you, not PG, not F, just TR, and we will have something.
This year IF we continue to play full games, defensively hold our own, I really think this is BU best squad and the closest skill set/height mix that we have had since the Flyin Illini days. We are no where near as athletic, but across the board, very close size and ability to mix positions.
We could go far this year, Elite 8 should be the goal if not more.
A week ago you were predicting FAU and Tennessee would beat us. Then changed your mind of course. Now we are best skill set since '89 team and are FF contender?
Self and Weber had better teams by any measure by far.
This could be our third best team here under UW.
Certainly have ability to be Top 15-20 and get to second weekend with a couple decent shooting games but have a lot of work to do.
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A week ago you were predicting FAU and Tennessee would beat us. Then changed your mind of course. Now we are best skill set since '89 team and are FF contender?
Self and Weber had better teams by any measure by far.
This could be our third best team here under UW.
Certainly have ability to be Top 15-20 and get to second weekend with a couple decent shooting games but have a lot of work to do.
Well I was obviously wrong about FAU, (took what 62% shooting for that to happen) we will see about Tennessee, I don't have a problem owning this. I have also (if you care to research) stated for at least 3 years now that I think BU was trying to get/recruit players to get back to the Flyin ILLINI type of roster construct...he has now, albeit with an older laden squad. Closest skill set and "best" skill set may be 2 entirely different things and usually are when comparing things.
I think that 89 timeframe best suits what BU loves (as most of us do) about the basketball history of the ILLINI. It also matches what he wants to do and will do.
We are the "best" skill set? I stated, this group's skill set is the closest as far as size/ability top to bottom as we have had since that time frame. A Final Four, I believe I stated Elite Eight or better, so you at least got that half right.
I originally agreed with you, then you have to state half if even that much of what I wrote....thanks for playing yet again.
Self/Weber had better squads? Self took over Kruger's and lost 8-13 first 2 years conference-Weber took over Self's and lost 9 conference games first 3 years after Self (many-many more after that) and Underwood took over Weber's and lost 27 of 52 total so far in conference after the Weber termination. Self inherited Kruger's and Weber inherited Self's recruiting, and Weber screwed it all up and BU now has gotten the best skillset team since 89 (imo) top to bottom. Easily researched btw.
I see ya down there.
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The 2005 team ring any bells?
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2001 and 2002 weren't too bad.
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2001 and 2002 weren't too bad.
LOL. We had a 1 seed in 2001, and 2005, and 2021.
The numbers and talent were remarkable.
Other than Shannon- nobody on this team could start.
Domask and Hawkins and Guerrier would be in the rotation.
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2001 and 2002 weren't too bad.
2001 should have been our year.
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2001 should have been our year.
We got hosed and I usually do not give a fck about the refs.
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I think IC was trying to say teams that were built and coached by the same person or something along those lines
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I think IC was trying to say teams that were built and coached by the same person or something along those lines
One never quite knows.
For that matter our rotation has Shannon, Domask, Guerrier, and Harmon who were all developed elsewhere so there is that.
Glad we have them.
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Yeah the new transfer portal rules change the whole landscape of the game when it comes to roster construction. Ultimately it is still the coaching staff that has to build a winning roster within the rules of the era. Was watching the Sleepers and Field of 68 podcasts on YouTube last night. They seem to think a lot more highly of the job Underwood is doing here than most of our fans do.
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Yeah the new transfer portal rules change the whole landscape of the game when it comes to roster construction. Ultimately it is still the coaching staff that has to build a winning roster within the rules of the era. Was watching the Sleepers and Field of 68 podcasts on YouTube last night. They seem to think a lot more highly of the job Underwood is doing here than most of our fans do.
His downfall was the 2021 disaster in NCAA fair or not. He could have bought years of goodwill and support with an EE.
He needs a S16 and this year once again is possible, but he has never done it anywhere in like 7 tries.
If they can consistently find enough ways to score in the half court we could be pretty decent.
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Wait a second...I thought I was the only one dissatisfied with B1G Regular Season Championships....
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Wait a second...I thought I was the only one dissatisfied with B1G Regular Season Championships....
The Loyalty insiders are adamant that if we flame out in tourney UW will be gone.
I think that scenario is possible if that happens.
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I mean, maybe if he chooses to leave before his seat gets hot, sure.
But I can promise you that Josh Whitman isn’t basing Underwood’s employment here off the postseason results of this particular team. The whole notion is absurd. We are in the midst of our best run of basketball in 20 years.
Let’s say the worst happens and BU loses the team and they fall apart and get bounced as a 12 seed the first round. Will there be a bunch of grumbling? Of course. Is he getting fired? Hell no. They’ll do a shuffling of the assistants and Geoff and maybe TU and/or Chester get jettisoned and they go back to the drawing board.
Or, perhaps more likely, Underwood takes another job. That’s worst case.
At that point they’d be 5 years into perennial tournament quality teams with a couple B1G titles and a 1 seed etc. He’s not getting fired.
A more likely scenario in which we flame out in the tourney would be with a much higher seed. Maybe the flame out would be harder to stomach, but he’s even less likely to be fired because we had another high seed.
His seat probably doesn’t even begin to get hot until he flames out this year and then follows it up with another disappointing season after they play the assistant shuffle game. And I think he’d bail on his own before going through that song and dance anyways.
Sorry, PAMan and Lkdog.
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How much of the Underwood inquiring about the Texas job was true?
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I mean, maybe if he chooses to leave before his seat gets hot, sure.
But I can promise you that Josh Whitman isn’t basing Underwood’s employment here off the postseason results of this particular team. The whole notion is absurd. We are in the midst of our best run of basketball in 20 years.
Let’s say the worst happens and BU loses the team and they fall apart and get bounced as a 12 seed the first round. Will there be a bunch of grumbling? Of course. Is he getting fired? Hell no. They’ll do a shuffling of the assistants and Geoff and maybe TU and/or Chester get jettisoned and they go back to the drawing board.
Or, perhaps more likely, Underwood takes another job. That’s worst case.
At that point they’d be 5 years into perennial tournament quality teams with a couple B1G titles and a 1 seed etc. He’s not getting fired.
A more likely scenario in which we flame out in the tourney would be with a much higher seed. Maybe the flame out would be harder to stomach, but he’s even less likely to be fired because we had another high seed.
His seat probably doesn’t even begin to get hot until he flames out this year and then follows it up with another disappointing season after they play the assistant shuffle game. And I think he’d bail on his own before going through that song and dance anyways.
Sorry, PAMan and Lkdog.
I disagree. Yes, it might be a "mutual" parting of ways but he has to produce at some point in March and this team gives him a fairly decent chance.
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Yeah the new transfer portal rules change the whole landscape of the game when it comes to roster construction. Ultimately it is still the coaching staff that has to build a winning roster within the rules of the era. Was watching the Sleepers and Field of 68 podcasts on YouTube last night. They seem to think a lot more highly of the job Underwood is doing here than most of our fans do.
The way our fans talk about Underwood is absolutely wild to me.
Dude has been very good here, undeniably. Obviously we want tournament success, but firing him and starting over seems likely to move us backward than forward. Underwood has built 5 consecutive tournament teams in an era where the entirety of NCAA roster construction was in flux and half our fans act like he fucking sucks.
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The Loyalty insiders are adamant that if we flame out in tourney UW will be gone.
I think that scenario is possible if that happens.
The chances we upgrade if this happens are extremely small. Extremely. I don’t think they’re wrong obviously (I said the same thing here last year and was nearly unanimously disagreed with) but I think that’d be wildly short sighted and we’d most likely end up with a worse coach than Underwood.
Firing a guy with the success Underwood has had here will make it that much harder to hire a good coach next time.
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If we have a great regular season only to flame out before the second weekend and extend our historically bad S16 drought, JW has every right to let BU go.
But would he, not a chance with the recruiting efforts and record we've had over the past 4 seasons.
Throw in Morez Johnson, our best recruit in God knows how long and a Chicago product for that matter. Crazy talk to think BU would be fired.
Need to go so see Morez play, eyeing the Niles North game or @ Benet game next month.
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Throw in Morez Johnson, our best recruit in God knows how long and a Chicago product for that matter. Crazy talk to think BU would be fired.
THIS ^^^^^:)
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The chances we upgrade if this happens are extremely small. Extremely. I don’t think they’re wrong obviously (I said the same thing here last year and was nearly unanimously disagreed with) but I think that’d be wildly short sighted and we’d most likely end up with a worse coach than Underwood.
Firing a guy with the success Underwood has had here will make it that much harder to hire a good coach next time.
I do think we are no longer a coaching destination job for years. I don't think it would have anything to do with UW. It's a decent P6 job.
It's a business and if he goes 0-8 in getting to second weekend and we look bad doing it like the last three years I will be surprised if he stays.
We will be in complete portal rebuild mode again next year.
We will see and I hope this is the year we finally see a second weekend again. It will be 19 years.
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I do think we are no longer a coaching destination job for years. I don't think it would have anything to do with UW. It's a decent P6 job.
It's a business and if he goes 0-8 in getting to second weekend and we look bad doing it like the last three years I will be surprised if he stays.
We will be in complete portal rebuild mode again next year.
We will see and I hope this is the year we finally see a second weekend again. It will be 19 years.
We have never been a tournament success school, yeah lets get rid of our best coach in decades to find another hall of famer like Self, should be super duper easy right. I'm sure no other school has thought of that. Basing 100% of a coach's results on 3% of the season is fucking retarded. Sorry, that's just a fact.
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I do think we are no longer a coaching destination job for years. I don't think it would have anything to do with UW. It's a decent P6 job.
It's a business and if he goes 0-8 in getting to second weekend and we look bad doing it like the last three years I will be surprised if he stays.
We will be in complete portal rebuild mode again next year.
We will see and I hope this is the year we finally see a second weekend again. It will be 19 years.
We definitely will not be a destination if we finally hire a good coach and fire him. We will really struggle to get good candidates in that situation. No one will want to come to a place where you can be the best coach in a couple decades and get fired for it.
It’s exactly the kind of small mind, short sighted thinking that’s likely to give us another decade where we don’t expect to even play in the tournament.
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We definitely will not be a destination if we finally hire a good coach and fire him. We will really struggle to get good candidates in that situation. No one will want to come to a place where you can be the best coach in a couple decades and get fired for it.
It’s exactly the kind of small mind, short sighted thinking that’s likely to give us another decade where we don’t expect to even play in the tournament.
Underwood is not a good coach? You think he's a bad coach GTFOWTBS
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Underwood is not a good coach? You think he's a bad coach GTFOWTBS
Learn to read moron.
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Misread
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You’re the worst poster and biggest moron here and it isn’t close.
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You’re the worst poster and biggest moron here and it isn’t close.
I'm jealous....
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I'm jealous....
With some hard work, you can get there one day
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Misread
Lol classic
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You’re the worst poster and biggest moron here and it isn’t close.
That hurts…
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You’re the worst poster and biggest moron here and it isn’t close.
Waaaahh. Ur the worst. Ur the dumbest and not even close.
Hahaha you have the intellect of a (slow) 9 year old.
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I’m personally enjoying being relevant again at basketball.
Tournament success is largely a numbers game. You work all season to get a decent seed and hope like hell for a good draw. Every hall of fame basketball coach in the modern era has had multiple early tourney flameouts. It’s the nature of the beast of a neutral court single elimination tournament in an era where there’s more parity than ever before.
I’d say there is reason to be concerned with Underwood’s failure to make it to the second weekend in the tourney but a couple of things need to be taken into consideration:
First, he has actually only underperformed to expectations once. He has also exceeded expectations once. Every other year was pretty much spot on with seeding and draw expectations.
Second, the draws the past three years have been pretty brutal. Loyola was a top 10 KenPom team ranked 17th AP and seeded 8 or 9. Ayo wasn’t quite the same guy after Sparty broke his face. Is that a game you need to win regardless? Absolutely. Should it have been a second round matchup? Clearly not.
Houston was criminally underseeded two years ago and we were physically shot heading into the tourney to boot. Then last year getting a talent laden Arkansas team that had some regular season rough patches but managed to dispatch #1 Kansas the round after they took us out.
I haven’t really seen anything in the tourney to indicate that Underwood can’t succeed in tournament play. If anything it’s more congruent with the B1G’s overall lack of tourney success going back years now. Roster construction and officiating are different in the Big Ten and we’ve fallen well behind other conferences in attracting top talent and putting guys in the NBA. That’s the big overarching issue and one we can hopefully break away from by continuing to get AA level players and getting more bites at the apple.
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I’m personally enjoying being relevant again at basketball.
I haven’t really seen anything in the tourney to indicate that Underwood can’t succeed in tournament play. If anything it’s more congruent with the B1G’s overall lack of tourney success going back years now. Roster construction and officiating are different in the Big Ten and we’ve fallen well behind other conferences in attracting top talent and putting guys in the NBA. That’s the big overarching issue and one we can hopefully break away from by continuing to get AA level players and getting more bites at the apple.
This is 100% accurate. The B1G has been in one hell of a drought to say the least. This year won't change that either. We have been far too long a lumbersome less than athletic conference. We have been changing, we are behind the times, and the conference play allows for teams to beat the crap out of each other all year. Change is coming, we just aren't there yet. No reason to get rid of BU though.
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Great post Custard.
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I’m personally enjoying being relevant again at basketball.
Tournament success is largely a numbers game. You work all season to get a decent seed and hope like hell for a good draw. Every hall of fame basketball coach in the modern era has had multiple early tourney flameouts. It’s the nature of the beast of a neutral court single elimination tournament in an era where there’s more parity than ever before.
I’d say there is reason to be concerned with Underwood’s failure to make it to the second weekend in the tourney but a couple of things need to be taken into consideration:
First, he has actually only underperformed to expectations once. He has also exceeded expectations once. Every other year was pretty much spot on with seeding and draw expectations.
Second, the draws the past three years have been pretty brutal. Loyola was a top 10 KenPom team ranked 17th AP and seeded 8 or 9. Ayo wasn’t quite the same guy after Sparty broke his face. Is that a game you need to win regardless? Absolutely. Should it have been a second round matchup? Clearly not.
Houston was criminally underseeded two years ago and we were physically shot heading into the tourney to boot. Then last year getting a talent laden Arkansas team that had some regular season rough patches but managed to dispatch #1 Kansas the round after they took us out.
I haven’t really seen anything in the tourney to indicate that Underwood can’t succeed in tournament play. If anything it’s more congruent with the B1G’s overall lack of tourney success going back years now. Roster construction and officiating are different in the Big Ten and we’ve fallen well behind other conferences in attracting top talent and putting guys in the NBA. That’s the big overarching issue and one we can hopefully break away from by continuing to get AA level players and getting more bites at the apple.
Until he can take this team or any team deeper into the NCAAs he is really just a pretty average guy. He is a second tier coach at the P6 level. Below average in game adjustment coach by any measure.
Sure someone else will hire him at the P6 level. I think we can find someone who can do better if they are given 7 years to do so. At this point most decent P6 coaches should be able to get us into the NCAAs most years if that is our expectation. I would like to think a S16 very 3 years or so would be the metric.
Better than Groce for sure, but that is a low bar.
We will see if donors and Whitman and the larger fanbase are satisfied if we do not advance in tourney once again this year. Maybe they are.
Most people don't care or even know that we are the tallest midget in a league the last four years that you admit is not competitive nationally and lacks elite talent.
Other than Purdue and then Wisky and us there is nobody who will likely be consistently in Top 25 this year. We should finish 2nd or 3rd this year it appears,but our only signature win barring an upset of Purdue will be FAU.
That was a very good win and we caught lightning in a bottle. We certainly might pull one of those type games out vs Purdue which would really help.
I see a mid level seed and a very challenging second round game this year. We will need to execute for 40 minutes.
I hope we break through. If he gets a S16 this year he buys a lot of time and goodwill and maybe we can get a legit PG in here one day through the portal or HS recruiting.
You do not get far in the NCAAs or have a top tier team without a lead guard.
The one we have right now has taken 1 shot in 45 minutes in the last two games and scored 3 points and we are firmly relegated to PG by committee mode this year each game. It's a problem each game to solve to see what is working,
We have one of the lowest Assist rates (327) and subsequently FT rates (270) in country. Makes it very hard to get good shots and manufacture points in halfcourt consistently against good defenses and execute at end of shot clock.
This has become a feature of UW offenses.
This board has their panties bunched up over taking 36 threes yesterday.
I actually like shooting a lot of threes TBH if they are in rhythm in an offense that creates makeable ones.
UW likes shooting a lot of threes also.
He might want to get a PG and a few more shooters in here and less guys we bulk up in the weight room with Fletch for BT rugby matches.
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The B1G sucks, but we should be satisfied with B1G Regular Season Championships? Hmmmm.
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The B1G sucks, but we should be satisfied with B1G Regular Season Championships? Hmmmm.
K
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16th in AP rankings. Should hold that range easily for next few games as we play nobody until BT again.
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Can we at least beat Mizzou this year?
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Can we at least beat Mizzou this year?
We should be pretty heavy favorites. Like 7-8 points.
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This team lacks the scoring punch for a deep tourney run.
Well coached teams are going to heavily focus on Shannon and let other guys beat them. Unfortunately this team doesn't have a good second option.
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This team reminds me of the 2021-2022 team with Kofi and a bunch of good role players who were a 4 seed and got bounced in the second round of the tourney.
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We just put up 98 in MSG against #11 and 79 on a renowned defensive squad in front of nearly 20k hostile fans during an 11 am game. We’ve got at least 5 guys who can go for 15+ any given night depending on matchups. I think we’ll be ok. Sure don’t miss all those 54-50 Weber games. What we really need to do is figure out how to stop the dribble drive and take better threes.
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Dokask had a career game vs FAU.
Wouldn't surprise me if Shannon's the only guy who averages over 10 ppg this year.
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Can we at least beat Mizzou this year?
Fucking this x1000
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We just put up 98 in MSG against #11 and 79 on a renowned defensive squad in front of nearly 20k hostile fans during an 11 am game. We’ve got at least 5 guys who can go for 15+ any given night depending on matchups. I think we’ll be ok. Sure don’t miss all those 54-50 Weber games. What we really need to do is figure out how to stop the dribble drive and take better threes.
The 38-33 shootout still holds a special place in my heart.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39083925/men-college-basketball-power-rankings-arizona-no-1-washington-illinois-impress (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39083925/men-college-basketball-power-rankings-arizona-no-1-washington-illinois-impress)
16th in ESPN power rankings where they raise the question of who will be the third scoring support for TSJ.
They kind of assume Domask is the #2 option, who is at 11.4 ppg right now.
He will need to be more consistent.
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The 38-33 shootout still holds a special place in my heart.
Lol.
We just didn't match up well for a stretch vs a formidable opponent but did squeeze out a 1 point win on a neutral floor. ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/fY7dW9B/Screenshot-20231212-074731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MDLkHfW)
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That the game freshman McCamey beat Purdue?
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That the game freshman McCamey beat Purdue?
That's the 1-4 stretch vs tPSU under Weber.
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Gross
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Gross
He coached the ILLINI after all of those games listed, but yes you are right in both regards, Gross and Groce.
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He coached the ILLINI after all of those games listed, but yes you are right in both regards, Gross and Groce.
Oh man, that was hilarious
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Oh man, that was hilarious
Go back and read your poem I wrote for you...it still applies. Thanks your response was so warranted.
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Go back and read your poem I wrote for you...it still applies. Thanks your response was so warranted.
I actually thought it was funny. Damn, dude
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I actually thought it was funny. Damn, dude
If so, my mistake, just used to all the slinging, and a generic "funny" was misread. My bad, but the poem still applies :>)
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If so, my mistake, just used to all the slinging, and a generic "funny" was misread. My bad, but the poem still applies :>)
Fair enough lol. No worries
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The 38-33 shootout still holds a special place in my heart.
Penn State. That score will stick with me forever.
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Penn State. That score will stick with me forever.
Part of me died that day.
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We're up to #13 in the poll
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Lucky!
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I'm satisfied with how this season has been
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Part of me died that day.
I almost literally died that day. Drunker than Cooter Brown without my coat on the coldest night of the year in Old Town.
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#9 in the AP.
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Bittersweet
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# 9 with the 34th ranked remaining SOS to go and a projected 14-6 record and overall 24-8. If we can pull that off without TSJ, we should still get a very good seed in light of that fact and our finish. Will we do this, I doubt is as I see a B1G record of 12-8 realistically to finish. This would give us a 22-10 record without TSJ.
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Bittersweet
Yep
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# 9 with the 34th ranked remaining SOS to go and a projected 14-6 record and overall 24-8. If we can pull that off without TSJ, we should still get a very good seed in light of that fact and our finish. Will we do this, I doubt is as I see a B1G record of 12-8 realistically to finish. This would give us a 22-10 record without TSJ.
I might be at the point where I'll gladly embrace whatever seed falls our way if we just make it in.
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Neither KenPom or Torvik is doing present analytics by removing TSj from the lineup.
Apparently most of the AP voters have not built this in either.
We probably should make the tourney with what we have as the BT is down overall as always.
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We're a 3 seed in bracketmatrix
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/2024/1/2/24023134/illinois-illini-terrence-shannon-college-basketball-big-ten-top-25 (https://chicago.suntimes.com/2024/1/2/24023134/illinois-illini-terrence-shannon-college-basketball-big-ten-top-25)
Apparently Andy Katz has dropped us to 6th in the conference. This Sun Times guy dropped us out of rankings completely.
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We're a 3 seed in bracketmatrix
So is BYU and Dumbfuknic likes them so there ya go.....
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The prudent thing to do is just keep them ranked where they are until they lose, which they will, and adjust accordingly. Dropping them out of the rankings entirely without even losing yet is “look at me!” clickbait bullshit. Sure he’s one of the best players in the country, but we’ve played one game without him and looked really good. Against a bad team.
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The prudent thing to do is just keep them ranked where they are until they lose, which they will, and adjust accordingly. Dropping them out of the rankings entirely without even losing yet is “look at me!” clickbait bullshit. Sure he’s one of the best players in the country, but we’ve played one game without him and looked really good. Against a bad team.
It's the new Florida State Effect.
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I couldn't get past 3-5 paragraphs. Did he mention how many times a team has dropped 15 spots without losing ?
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Gameplan: play good defense & chuck as many threes as possible.
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It’s like you got naked with the girl you’ve been dreaming about for 2 years, splooged before doing anything and that chance is gone forever.
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It’s like you got naked with the girl you’ve been dreaming about for 2 years, splooged before doing anything and that chance is gone forever.
Huh?
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/2024/1/2/24023134/illinois-illini-terrence-shannon-college-basketball-big-ten-top-25 (https://chicago.suntimes.com/2024/1/2/24023134/illinois-illini-terrence-shannon-college-basketball-big-ten-top-25)
Apparently Andy Katz has dropped us to 6th in the conference. This Sun Times guy dropped us out of rankings completely.
LOL
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Greenberg is getting smacked on Twitter
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Greenberg is getting smacked on Twitter
What a hack. Stupid Chicago media person who thinks it's cool to hate on illini. He sucks. And he's dead wrong which makes him look really bad.
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He wanted clicks and attention. He got them, in a supremely satisfying way.
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10th in today's poll. Figured we'd be 12 or 13 so I'll take it.
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Really need to get a winning streak going here and cement ourselves.
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fuck
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So how far do we fall? I’m thinking 15 or 16.
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So how far do we fall? I’m thinking 15 or 16.
Sounds about right…
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So how far do we fall? I’m thinking 15 or 16.
Which is ok. What isn't ok is how we played from the staff down to the players.
And shake Reese's hand post-game and congratulate him on a good game.
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Which is ok. What isn't ok is how we played from the staff down to the players.
And shake Reese's hand post-game and congratulate him on a good game.
Yep poor show of sportsmanship by us. Have to be better than that.
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https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/basketball/ncaab/coaches-poll/2023-2024/2024-01-15 (https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/basketball/ncaab/coaches-poll/2023-2024/2024-01-15)
Down to 14 in Coaches poll. Wisky #8.
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yeah Wisconsin is annoyingly good once again
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yeah Wisconsin is annoyingly good once again
They play smart ball. We play effort ball.
Smarts usually stick around. Effort can be hit or miss.
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14 seems about right considering all circumstances.
It will be interesting to see after the next 5 games, where we may be with roughly 1/2 of B1G schedule having been played.
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Back up to #10 in AP.
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Probably got the TSJ boost
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You guys are missing out and letting a Pearl #8 team losing tonight go by the wayside? Shocked.
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#14 in AP.
#10 in KenPom
#11 in Torvik
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#14 in AP.
#10 in KenPom
#11 in Torvik
A lot of parity in college hoops these days. Watched NV at new Mexico st last night and nmsu looks exactly like a team that would knock us out of the tourney
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Back to 10th. Again.
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Hard to argue with the Top 10, other than Duke at 9....feels like they are that high based on history and name. They are not a Top 10 team imo this year.
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It’s basically UCONN and Purdue then a bunch of teams trying to get to that level. If there’s a second tier between the two, UNC might be the only team in it right now.
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It’s basically UCONN and Purdue then a bunch of teams trying to get to that level. If there’s a second tier between the two, UNC might be the only team in it right now.
I would throw Houston in that top tier right now. UNC is certainly very good but just lost at home and maybe not ready for prime time yet.
We need a win Saturday and a big win vs PU or Wisconsin to get in that deep run possibles group.
We look like a team on paper that could be but do not have any high quality wins.
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A lot of parity in college hoops these days. Watched NV at new Mexico st last night and nmsu looks exactly like a team that would knock us out of the tourney
They certainly like to knock people out.
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They certainly like to knock people out.
golds! golds! golds! golds! golds!
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With some other key losses in and around the 10 spot, how far does our ILLINI drop after losing on the road vs a preseason#4 team?
Landing in the 12-13 spot seems reasonable??
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Look at 14. Then look at 10. Now look back to 14.
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Look at 14. Then look at 10. Now look back to 14.
I should be laughing but I feel like crying.
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Look at 14. Then look at 10. Now look back to 14.
;D
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We're now #12.
Now have no wins versus presently ranked teams.
The good news is Torvik has moved us up to a 3 seed. Would be good to get off the 4 line.
That said we have as good of a chance as anybody in group of 15-20 teams in second tier below top 3 to make a nice run.
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No wins against ranked teams and one of 2 P5 schools with no losses by double digits.
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I believe that we're actually the team this year that no one wants to play. Making our FTs is a large part of that.
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13 this week
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Wow lose at PSU and squeak by 16-11 Iowa at home and only drop a spot?
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I would have dropped us out the top 25 just off the PSU loss. We didn't deserve to be ranked after that disgraceful choke job.
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We certainly have potential, but something has not quite come together. Not sure if it is staff rotation choices, or this group of guys who don't have anyone who has ever been an alpha guy to kick some ass, or just some skill gaps.
I will say that the staff maneuver in second half of Iowa game which we could have lost, turned out well.
It is pretty obvious that a guy like Nico brings some elements to the halfcourt offense that we do not otherwise have.
He looked pretty confident.
If this kid can actually really shoot a little and guard well enough he can help and we might get to a higher level.
He is easily our best ball skill guy and has playmaker instincts.
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The loss, drama, and reintegration of TSJ really kneecapped this team. Like so many other promising Illini seasons, we will look back with a lot of what-ifs. It’s been an enormously challenging season.
The defensive woes are a real head scratcher. Aside from having a guy like Trent mf Frazier (or Sencire Harris!) to stop quicker lead guards, we have all the physical tools and experience to be an elite defensive squad.
There’s a part of me that thinks they’re back pocketing some defensive schemes for a late season run. Maybe part of getting the team back together was focusing on just outscoring lesser teams and rebuilding some chemistry? It’s burned us in a couple situations where we locked up mentally late game.
Certainly could be epic short-sightedness and stubbornness as well, but it’s fun to pretend.
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I see we're a lot closer to #18 in the rankings than #11.
Just win and everything else falls into place.
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I see we're a lot closer to #18 in the rankings than #11.
Just win and everything else falls into place.
You can only play the teams on the schedule
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Agree with a lot of that Custard. Just at some point I want to see a sustained winning streak. We went what like 4 of 5 or maybe 5 of 6 prior to Penn State. Can't we just win out at this point.
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Agree with a lot of that Custard. Just at some point I want to see a sustained winning streak. We went what like 4 of 5 or maybe 5 of 6 prior to Penn State. Can't we just win out at this point.
no
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Agree with a lot of that Custard. Just at some point I want to see a sustained winning streak. We went what like 4 of 5 or maybe 5 of 6 prior to Penn State. Can't we just win out at this point.
I hope they save the streak for the Only Tournament That Matters.
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I hope they save the streak for the Only Tournament That Matters.
That would be an amazing time to go on a winning streak
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This team is not built right now to win 4 games in a row to get to FF. NCAA tourney is about guard play and stops.
You need a couple playmaking guards/wings that can also score at all three levels. We have three guys who are good, but not they are not great decision makers or playmakers.
TSj is closest thing to a closer we have.
They need to start to involve Moretti more these last four games and the couple we will have in BTT.
Maybe lose a game we could win, but have him ready for 20 mpg. He opens up a few things, can drive and see the floor and kick, the ball gets reversed quicker, and he might be able to shoot.
Need to see what he can do in extended minutes.
We are going to end up on 4/5 line no matter what unless we knock off PU next week and get to BTT final.
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This team is not built right now to win 4 games in a row to get to FF. NCAA tourney is about guard play and stops.
You need a couple playmaking guards/wings that can also score at all three levels. We have three guys who are good, but not they are not great decision makers or playmakers.
TSj is closest thing to a closer we have.
They need to start to involve Moretti more these last four games and the couple we will have in BTT.
Maybe lose a game we could win, but have him ready for 20 mpg. He opens up a few things, can drive and see the floor and kick, the ball gets reversed quicker, and he might be able to shoot.
Need to see what he can do in extended minutes.
We are going to end up on 4/5 line no matter what unless we knock off PU next week and get to BTT final.
And this doesn't even cover Brad's insane ability to get outcoached by a mid major.
Porter Moser buttfucked him so hard.
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Wow. What a buzzkill.
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Ranked 12.
KenPom 12.
Beat Purdue and we get off the 4 line.
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FINISHED THE SEASON TOP 10 well done guys!!!
Go ILLINI!!!
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-uconn-overtakes-houston-for-no-1-in-final-ap-top-25-ahead-of-ncaa-tournament/
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Not too shabby, Underachiever. Not too shabby.
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Season isn't over. It's actually just starting.