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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2023, 10:19:26 AM »
We definitely will not be a destination if we finally hire a good coach and fire him.  We will really struggle to get good candidates in that situation.  No one will want to come to a place where you can be the best coach in a couple decades and get fired for it.

It’s exactly the kind of small mind, short sighted thinking that’s likely to give us another decade where we don’t expect to even play in the tournament.

Underwood is not a good coach?  You think he's a bad coach GTFOWTBS

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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2023, 10:31:00 AM »
Underwood is not a good coach?  You think he's a bad coach GTFOWTBS

Learn to read moron.

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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2023, 11:23:35 AM »
Misread

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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2023, 11:50:07 AM »
Misread

You’re the worst poster and biggest moron here and it isn’t close.
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« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2023, 12:05:54 PM »
You’re the worst poster and biggest moron here and it isn’t close.

I'm jealous....
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« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2023, 12:15:36 PM »
I'm jealous....

With some hard work, you can get there one day
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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2023, 12:25:42 PM »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2023, 12:26:41 PM »
You’re the worst poster and biggest moron here and it isn’t close.

That hurts…
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2023, 09:25:58 PM »
You’re the worst poster and biggest moron here and it isn’t close.

Waaaahh. Ur the worst. Ur the dumbest and not even close.

Hahaha you have the intellect of a (slow) 9 year old.

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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2023, 10:10:17 PM »
I’m personally enjoying being relevant again at basketball.

Tournament success is largely a numbers game. You work all season to get a decent seed and hope like hell for a good draw. Every hall of fame basketball coach in the modern era has had multiple early tourney flameouts. It’s the nature of the beast of a neutral court single elimination tournament in an era where there’s more parity than ever before.

I’d say there is reason to be concerned with Underwood’s failure to make it to the second weekend in the tourney but a couple of things need to be taken into consideration:

First, he has actually only underperformed to expectations once. He has also exceeded expectations once. Every other year was pretty much spot on with seeding and draw expectations.

Second, the draws the past three years have been pretty brutal. Loyola was a top 10 KenPom team ranked 17th AP and seeded 8 or 9. Ayo wasn’t quite the same guy after Sparty broke his face. Is that a game you need to win regardless? Absolutely. Should it have been a second round matchup? Clearly not.

Houston was criminally underseeded two years ago and we were physically shot heading into the tourney to boot. Then last year getting a talent laden Arkansas team that had some regular season rough patches but managed to dispatch #1 Kansas the round after they took us out.

I haven’t really seen anything in the tourney to indicate that Underwood can’t succeed in tournament play. If anything it’s more congruent with the B1G’s overall lack of tourney success going back years now. Roster construction and officiating are different in the Big Ten and we’ve fallen well behind other conferences in attracting top talent and putting guys in the NBA. That’s the big overarching issue and one we can hopefully break away from by continuing to get AA level players and getting more bites at the apple.
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« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2023, 08:07:54 AM »
I’m personally enjoying being relevant again at basketball.

I haven’t really seen anything in the tourney to indicate that Underwood can’t succeed in tournament play. If anything it’s more congruent with the B1G’s overall lack of tourney success going back years now. Roster construction and officiating are different in the Big Ten and we’ve fallen well behind other conferences in attracting top talent and putting guys in the NBA. That’s the big overarching issue and one we can hopefully break away from by continuing to get AA level players and getting more bites at the apple.

This is 100% accurate. The B1G has been in one hell of a drought to say the least. This year won't change that either. We have been far too long a lumbersome less than athletic conference. We have been changing, we are behind the times, and the conference play allows for teams to beat the crap out of each other all year. Change is coming, we just aren't there yet. No reason to get rid of BU though.

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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2023, 10:22:20 AM »
Great post Custard.

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« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2023, 11:47:16 AM »
I’m personally enjoying being relevant again at basketball.

Tournament success is largely a numbers game. You work all season to get a decent seed and hope like hell for a good draw. Every hall of fame basketball coach in the modern era has had multiple early tourney flameouts. It’s the nature of the beast of a neutral court single elimination tournament in an era where there’s more parity than ever before.

I’d say there is reason to be concerned with Underwood’s failure to make it to the second weekend in the tourney but a couple of things need to be taken into consideration:

First, he has actually only underperformed to expectations once. He has also exceeded expectations once. Every other year was pretty much spot on with seeding and draw expectations.

Second, the draws the past three years have been pretty brutal. Loyola was a top 10 KenPom team ranked 17th AP and seeded 8 or 9. Ayo wasn’t quite the same guy after Sparty broke his face. Is that a game you need to win regardless? Absolutely. Should it have been a second round matchup? Clearly not.

Houston was criminally underseeded two years ago and we were physically shot heading into the tourney to boot. Then last year getting a talent laden Arkansas team that had some regular season rough patches but managed to dispatch #1 Kansas the round after they took us out.

I haven’t really seen anything in the tourney to indicate that Underwood can’t succeed in tournament play. If anything it’s more congruent with the B1G’s overall lack of tourney success going back years now. Roster construction and officiating are different in the Big Ten and we’ve fallen well behind other conferences in attracting top talent and putting guys in the NBA. That’s the big overarching issue and one we can hopefully break away from by continuing to get AA level players and getting more bites at the apple.

Until he can take this team or any team deeper into the NCAAs he is really just a pretty average guy. He is a second tier coach at the P6 level. Below average in game adjustment coach by any measure.
Sure someone else will hire him at the P6 level. I think we can find someone who can do better if they are given 7 years to do so. At this point most decent P6 coaches should be able to get us into the NCAAs most years if that is our expectation. I would like to think a S16 very 3 years or so would be the metric.
Better than Groce for sure, but that is a low bar.

We will see if donors and Whitman and the larger fanbase are satisfied if we do not advance in tourney once again this year. Maybe they are.
Most people don't care or even know that we are the tallest midget in a league the last four years that you admit is not competitive nationally and lacks elite talent.
Other than Purdue and then Wisky and us there is nobody who will likely be consistently in Top 25 this year. We should finish 2nd or 3rd this year it appears,but our only signature win barring an upset of Purdue will be FAU.
That was a very good win and we caught lightning in a bottle. We certainly might pull one of those type games out vs Purdue which would really help.

I see a mid level seed and a very challenging second round game this year. We will need to execute for 40 minutes.

I hope we break through. If he gets a S16 this year he buys a lot of time and goodwill and maybe we can get a legit PG in here one day through the portal or HS recruiting.
You do not get far in the NCAAs or have a top tier team without a lead guard.

The one we have right now has taken 1 shot in 45 minutes in the last two games and scored 3 points and we are firmly relegated to PG by committee mode this year each game. It's a problem each game to solve to see what is working,
We have one of the lowest Assist rates (327) and subsequently FT rates (270) in country. Makes it very hard to get good shots and manufacture points in halfcourt consistently against good defenses and execute at end of shot clock.

This has become a feature of UW offenses.

This board has their panties bunched up over taking 36 threes yesterday.
I actually like shooting a lot of threes TBH if they are in rhythm in an offense that creates makeable ones. 
UW likes shooting a lot of threes also.
He might want to get a PG and a few more shooters in here and less guys we bulk up in the weight room with Fletch for BT rugby matches.
 



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Re: TOP 10
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2023, 12:01:39 PM »
The B1G sucks, but we should be satisfied with B1G Regular Season Championships? Hmmmm.
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« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2023, 11:56:32 PM »
The B1G sucks, but we should be satisfied with B1G Regular Season Championships? Hmmmm.

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