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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3795 on: February 24, 2025, 09:46:46 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 24, 2025, 12:19:42 PM
If they have time to do this, they don't have enough work to do!

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/breaking-video-trump-kissing-elon-973979

Video of Trump kissing 'real king' Elon Musk’s feet played on US Govt screens in 'hack'

Whoever came up with it only needs four more bullet points by 11:59 tonight.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3796 on: February 24, 2025, 09:53:45 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on February 24, 2025, 12:45:45 PM
According to an anonymous source, multiple people have listed involvement in their "5 bullet points" email response to Musk.

so you're saying trump and his buddy came up with a stupid idea that had predictably stupid results?

jfc - ChatGPT - I work in accounting at the FBI. Make a list of 5 bullet points about things that an accountant might be working on day to day.

You probably need to manually move a few words around, because while they won't be reading the bullet points, they'll run it through a filter and fire anyone who used ChatGPT
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3797 on: February 25, 2025, 12:58:21 AM »
Smart people would use Grok
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3798 on: February 28, 2025, 12:59:23 PM »
Macron: "Actually Mr President, this is not correct. We gave loans, grants, guarantees, this is real money."

Zelensky: HOLD MY FUCKING BEER
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3799 on: February 28, 2025, 04:57:48 PM »
Well…that was a thing. What a clown show.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3800 on: February 28, 2025, 05:37:24 PM »
Quote from: Custard’s Uber Driver on February 28, 2025, 04:57:48 PM
Well…that was a thing. What a clown show.

you insult mere clown shows

What kind of fucker as President calls his predecessor "This stupid President"
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3801 on: February 28, 2025, 08:20:29 PM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3802 on: March 01, 2025, 01:43:51 PM »
From a Facebook friend of a Facebook friend

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The USA has not spent $350 billion in Ukraine, nor even $300 billion. I have seen figures ranging anywhere from $119.7 billion (Kiel Institute for the World Economy) to $182.8 billion (U.S. Department of Defense), but the most consistent figure that I have seen is around $175 billion, and only $105.1 billion of that is to the Ukrainian government directly:
- $2 billion in humanitarian aid
- $33.3 billion in budget support
- $69.8 billion in weapons, equipment, and other military support
(Council on Foreign Relations, BBC News, Euronews, US Special Inspector General for Operation Atlantic Resolve)

Most of the remainder is funding various U.S. activities associated with the war in Ukraine, and a small portion supports other affected countries in the region (the $182.8 billion figure includes US military training and replenishing US defence stocks, so it includes all spending on the response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine). (Council on Foreign Relations, BBC News)

Of the $182.8 billion from the USA, only $83.4 billion has been sent, with the remaining $99.4 billion either not yet committed or not yet approved for payment. This is why Ukraine has received only $76 billion from the USA, and the $100 billion that people claim is missing is actually money that has not been sent. (Euronews, Українська правда)

By comparison, the Kiel Institute calculates that, including military, financial, and humanitarian aid to Ukraine, the EU has spent $138.7 billion (compared to their calculation of $119.7 billion from the USA). Their calculations include only support directly given to Ukraine and exclude things like money used to replenish U.S. weapon stocks following donations to Kyiv, funds spent to help neighbouring countries welcome Ukrainian refugees, etc. However, using a broader definition, the European Union has committed $198 billion so far. (BBC News, Washington Post, Fox News)

Of all the funding Ukraine as received, NATO estimates that nearly 60% of the funding for Ukraine has come from across Europe and Canada. (ABC News and BBC News)

Canada has given $19.7 billion in aid to Ukraine:
- $12.4 billion in financial aid
- $4.5 billion in military assistance
The remaining funds are spread between humanitarian, development, stabilization, etc. aid funding. (THX News and Government of Canada)

Canada has also provided $5 billion to Ukraine from seized Russian assets, and the money will be repaid from interest earned on the held Russian assets (i.e., Russia will be bearing the burden of repayment). (Global News, National Post, CTV News, and Anadolu Agency)

In total, Ukraine has spent $120 billion of its own money, and Ukraine estimates that that total they have spent on the war is about $320 billion. (Voice of America)

If you're wondering, 35% of the funds going to Ukraine from Europe have been loans, and some of the repayment of those loans are coming from revenues from frozen and seized Russian assets and Ukraine isn't having to pay those portions of the loans, and the rest are really generous terms where Ukraine will be repaying less interest over lengthy repayment periods. The remaining 65% is grants an in-kind support. (Washington Post and BBC News)

***ETA: The actual value of the weapons and equipment sent to Ukraine by the USA is about 60% lower than they were priced because the price was for new stock. Much of the military equipment and ammunition sent to Ukraine is old and of limited combat effectiveness because it came from aging US stockpiles, some of the ammunition is expired, and a majority of the equipment isn't even used by the US military anymore (and therefore has an effective value of $0 to the USA). Normally, this stock would have to be disposed of, but giving it to Ukraine means there are effectively no disposal expenses. Furthermore, much of the funding for Ukraine is being spent in the USA, such as employing US workers to manufacture the replacement equipment and supplies for refilling US stockpiles. (Kyiv Post and AL24news - قناة الجزائر الدولية)

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3803 on: March 01, 2025, 02:38:22 PM »
Just a reminder:

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3804 on: March 01, 2025, 03:34:33 PM »
Trump was always going to hang Ukraine out to dry.  He showed the entire world that he is indeed Putin's poodle.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3805 on: March 01, 2025, 07:11:17 PM »
‘Why Don’t You Wear a Suit?’: A Right-Wing News Outlet With Coveted Access Questions Zelensky https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/01/us/politics/brian-glenn-zelensky-suit.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
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« Reply #3806 on: March 02, 2025, 04:16:57 AM »
Another one from a friend of a friend

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An intriguing analysis has been circulating online regarding the psychological aspects of Zelensky’s meeting with Trump and Vance, conducted using ChatGPT.

From this analysis, it becomes evident that we have witnessed a true masterclass in gaslighting, manipulation, and coercion on the part of Trump and his entourage. Let’s break down the key points:

1. Blaming the victim for their own situation

Trump explicitly tells Zelensky: “You have allowed yourself to be in a very bad position.” This is classic abuser rhetoric—blaming the victim for their suffering. The implication is that Ukraine itself is responsible for being occupied by Russia and for the deaths of its people.

2. Pressure and coercion into ‘gratitude’

Vance demands that Zelensky say “thank you.” This is an extremely toxic tactic—forcing the victim to express gratitude for the help they desperately need, only to later accuse them of ingratitude if they attempt to assert their rights.

3. Manipulating the concept of ‘peace’

Trump claims that Zelensky is “not ready for peace.” However, what he actually means is Ukraine’s capitulation. This is a classic manipulation technique—substituting the idea of a just peace with the notion of surrender.

4. Refusing to acknowledge the reality of war

Trump repeatedly insists that Zelensky has “no cards to play” and that “without us, you have nothing.” This is yet another abusive tactic—undermining the victim’s efforts by asserting that they are powerless without the mercy of their ‘saviour.’

5. Devaluing the victims of war

“If you get a ceasefire, you must accept it so that bullets stop flying and your people stop dying,” Trump says. Yet, he ignores the fact that a ceasefire without guarantees is merely an opportunity for Russia to regroup and strike again.

6. Dominance tactics

Trump constantly interrupts Zelensky, cutting him off: “No, no, you’ve already said enough,” and “You’re not in a position to dictate to us.” This is deliberate psychological pressure designed to establish a hierarchy in which Zelensky is the subordinate.

7. Forcing capitulation under the guise of ‘diplomacy’

Vance asserts that “the path to peace lies through diplomacy.” This is a classic strategy where the aggressor is given the opportunity to continue their aggression unchallenged.

8. Projection and distortion of reality

Trump declares: “You are playing with the lives of millions of people.” Yet, in reality, it is he who is doing exactly that—shifting responsibility onto Zelensky.

9. Creating the illusion that Ukraine ‘owes’ the US

Yes, the US is assisting Ukraine, but presenting this aid as “you must obey, or you will receive nothing” is not a partnership—it is financial and military coercion.

10. Undermining Ukraine’s resistance

Trump states that “if it weren’t for our weapons, this war would have ended in two weeks.” This is an attempt to erase Ukraine’s achievements and portray its efforts as entirely dependent on US support.

Conclusion

Trump and his team employed the full spectrum of abusive tactics: gaslighting, victim-blaming, coercion into gratitude, and manipulation of the concepts of peace and diplomacy. This was not a negotiation—it was an attempt to force Zelensky into accepting terms beneficial to the US but potentially fatal for Ukraine.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3807 on: March 02, 2025, 01:13:27 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 01, 2025, 07:11:17 PM
‘Why Don’t You Wear a Suit?’: A Right-Wing News Outlet With Coveted Access Questions Zelensky https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/01/us/politics/brian-glenn-zelensky-suit.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

God forbid he pause his military cosplay for even a moment!
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #3808 on: March 02, 2025, 01:43:02 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 02, 2025, 01:13:27 PM
God forbid he pause his military cosplay for even a moment!

After all, President Musk wears a suit every day.

Not one of them, Trump, JD or Little Marco, will ever know the honor and dignity and heroism Zelensky and the people of Ukraine demonstrate every single day.
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« Reply #3809 on: March 02, 2025, 02:38:04 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 02, 2025, 01:13:27 PM
God forbid he pause his military cosplay for even a moment!

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