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Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years

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Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« on: November 17, 2021, 09:51:52 PM »
I’d start with Sherron Collins due to significance of the miss at the time.

A very close second would be Jalen Brunson.

 
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2021, 11:49:54 PM »
Julian Wright doesn’t qualify (05 recruit) but his recruitment was the canary in the coal mine.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2021, 11:55:25 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 17, 2021, 11:49:54 PM
Julian Wright doesn’t qualify (05 recruit) but his recruitment was the canary in the coal mine.

I’d throw IDKWTI in there when and how he switched Indiana.

Maybe Cliff Alexander (even though he was a huge bust) for embarrassing the program on the National stage with the “hat trick.”
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2021, 01:20:59 AM »
Robbie Hummel 2007
Fred Van Vleet 2012
Alec Peters 2013
Jevon Carter 2014
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2021, 03:13:41 AM »
The biggest misses were on guys we failed to even offer. Guys like Jerel McNeal, Jacob Pullen, Fred Van Vleet, and I believe Kaminsky was in that group. There’s more, but recruiting the last 20 years has been largely wiped from my memory bank.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2021, 03:22:35 AM by Tempo34 »
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2021, 08:50:44 AM »
Ethan Happ, but so did everyone else in the B1G not named Bo Ryan.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2021, 08:52:08 AM »
Derek Rose

Jon Scheyer

Although neither were ever coming here, so not sure you could count those as a miss.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2021, 08:57:56 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on November 18, 2021, 08:52:08 AM
Derek Rose

Jon Scheyer

Although neither were ever coming here, so not sure you could count those as a miss.

I’d argue those were the two least important.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2021, 09:00:00 AM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on November 18, 2021, 08:50:44 AM
Ethan Happ, but so did everyone else in the B1G not named Bo Ryan.

Was going to put him on my list, but felt it was long enough. Not being able to identify talent has hurt our program more over the last 15 years than missing on the 5 stars.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2021, 09:10:01 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 18, 2021, 09:00:00 AM
Was going to put him on my list, but felt it was long enough. Not being able to identify talent has hurt our program more over the last 15 years than, than missing on the 5 stars.

Illinois kid, who I believe wanted to come here.  Bad timing.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2021, 10:48:30 PM »
EJ Liddell
Jon Scheyer
Sherron Collins
Keita Bates Diop
Jalen Brunson

Simply based on collegiate productivity.  The 1 and dones like Rose, Gordon, Cliff I don't think hurt much since they were only in college a year.  And guys like Happ/Kaminsky/Fred VanVleet could not have been projected to be as good as they ended up being.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2021, 10:51:11 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on November 22, 2021, 10:48:30 PM
EJ Liddell
Jon Scheyer
Sherron Collins
Keita Bates Diop
Jalen Brunson

Simply based on collegiate productivity.  The 1 and dones like Rose, Gordon, Cliff I don't think hurt much since they were only in college a year.  And guys like Happ/Kaminsky/Fred VanVleet could not have been projected to be as good as they ended up being.

But they were very attainable players at a time when we weren’t exactly crushing it in recruiting. We’ve taken lesser recruits.
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2021, 11:46:39 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 22, 2021, 10:51:11 PM
But they were very attainable players at a time when we weren’t exactly crushing it in recruiting. We’ve taken lesser recruits.

This.

Hummel wanted to come here, but Weber ignored him on a visit, then stopped  calling after Cole committed.

UI fans were pushing Van Vleet when Howard was chasing the kid from Manteno. 

Peters was a big with post skills who could also handle and shoot.

I did not mention McNeal because he was 2005. iirc, Pullen had an issue?
 

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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2021, 11:34:14 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 22, 2021, 10:51:11 PM
But they were very attainable players at a time when we weren’t exactly crushing it in recruiting. We’ve taken lesser recruits.

Sure they were attainable just like Brandon Lieb and Mike Tisdale were too, but nobody knows how good they will turn out.

Happ, Kaminsky, Lieb, Tisdale, Leonard.  If you ask me who Illinois should recruit, it was Meyers Leonard bc he was a freak athlete, good shooter, highly rated.  The other 4 guys, if I was coach, I wouldn’t have taken either if I saw them in HS.

Fred was a miss but I mean it’s stunning how his NBA career has developed.  For a guy not very athletic, to be skilled enough to start and get paid 20+ mils is crazy.  Nobody would have thought he’d turn out that good.  If I was coach looking at HS players, I’d have taken PGs like Justin Dentmon and Lewis Jackson who had D1 athleticism ahead of Fred.  That’s why he didn’t have many high D1 offers.

We can play this same game now.  Jalen Quinn from Tuscola signed with Loyola.  Should Underwood have signed him?  I just can’t get on the staff for missing guys that turned out way better than anyone thought they’d be. 

I get more upset when we miss on guys that you expect to be productive college players
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Re: Biggest recruiting misses in last 15 years
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2021, 04:55:54 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on November 23, 2021, 11:34:14 AM
Sure they were attainable just like Brandon Lieb and Mike Tisdale were too, but nobody knows how good they will turn out.


Isn’t the ability scout and project pretty important for a coach? Particularly coaches that routinely miss out on the obvious stars?
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