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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2025, 04:09:34 PM »
Quote from: FAFO on June 23, 2025, 02:31:32 PM
I doubt America/Israel could bomb enough people to satisfy ThePAMan.
If you don't mind, my Dad dropped plenty of bombs. His plane went down the 1st flight after my Dad's last flight in that plane. He never mentioned bombing enough people to satisfy anyone.
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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #91 on: June 23, 2025, 04:21:30 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 23, 2025, 03:52:49 PM
Are you really taking the position that nuking Japan and ending the war did not save American lives?

I think it’s pretty debatable that it was necessary. I supposed it may have saved some American lives, but it probably didn’t save lives. The moral debate is one which can be had, although I know that’s not your jam.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2025, 04:44:55 PM »
Quote from: FAFO on June 23, 2025, 04:21:30 PM
I think it’s pretty debatable that it was necessary. I supposed it may have saved some American lives, but it probably didn’t save lives. The moral debate is one which can be had, although I know that’s not your jam.

This has moved to the top of yiur bad take list. Talk about revisionist history.

Okinawa was the deadliest battle in the Pacific with over 70,000 Japenese and over 10k Americans killed and, i think, the last island taken before Hiroshima was bombed. That battle ended, what 1 month plus before Hiroshima?

Yeah, taking Japan was going to be a cakewalk. JFC.
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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #93 on: June 23, 2025, 04:45:58 PM »
Quote from: FAFO on June 23, 2025, 04:21:30 PM
I think it’s pretty debatable that it was necessary. I supposed it may have saved some American lives, but it probably didn’t save lives. The moral debate is one which can be had, although I know that’s not your jam.

Whats not my jam is dealing with stupid fucking takes like this. Hard to take it seriously given its ignorance.
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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #94 on: June 23, 2025, 05:09:37 PM »
First off, I didn’t praise nor condemn the use of atomic weapons in Japan. I only said the U.S. is the only country to use that type of weapon on another country; that’s unequivocally true. The rest, can be debated. But it won’t be here, by me.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #95 on: June 23, 2025, 05:32:50 PM »
Quote from: FAFO on June 23, 2025, 05:09:37 PM
First off, I didn’t praise nor condemn the use of atomic weapons in Japan. I only said the U.S. is the only country to use that type of weapon on another country; that’s unequivocally true. The rest, can be debated. But it won’t be here, by me.

What the hell does this mean then?

I supposed it may have saved some American lives, but it probably didn’t save lives. The moral debate is one which can be had...

And, in a war, whose lives are you going to care about saving more? Yours or theirs? As noted by General Patton:

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.

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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2025, 05:44:30 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 23, 2025, 01:25:02 PM
I cheerlead people getting ripped off the streets and deported with no due process? I voted for people who entered this country illegally to be removed from this country. Primarily criminals and people causing problems. We wouldn’t have to do this if the border hadn’t just been left open for years but I don’t see you pointing at that. Not all of these people are here to pick the fucking vegetables. You bleeding hearts are the ones that get us into trouble because you think the bad folks just need another chance. Fuck that.

Dipshits can't seem to find the criminal scum.
https://www.cato.org/blog/65-people-taken-ice-had-no-convictions-93-no-violent-convictions

https://reason.com/volokh/2025/05/20/most-migrants-deported-to-imprisonment-in-el-salvador-under-the-alien-enemies-act-had-no-criminal-record-and-many-had-entered-the-us-legally/

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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2025, 06:11:20 PM »
Garbage in, garbage out.

From a year ago .......
"The cases involving the Tren de Aragua gang show how hard it is for U.S. border agents to vet the criminal backgrounds of migrants from countries like Venezuela that won’t give the U.S. any help."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/tren-de-aragua-venezuelan-gang-members-slip-into-us-rcna156290
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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #98 on: June 23, 2025, 06:44:54 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on June 23, 2025, 06:11:20 PM
Garbage in, garbage out.

From a year ago .......
"The cases involving the Tren de Aragua gang show how hard it is for U.S. border agents to vet the criminal backgrounds of migrants from countries like Venezuela that won’t give the U.S. any help."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/tren-de-aragua-venezuelan-gang-members-slip-into-us-rcna156290

Don't piss off Ozzie Guillen
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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #99 on: June 23, 2025, 07:30:06 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 23, 2025, 06:44:54 PM
Don't piss off Ozzie Guillen
He did steal some hits from people but that was done here and it's legal.
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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #100 on: June 23, 2025, 11:15:11 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 23, 2025, 05:44:30 PM
Dipshits can't seem to find the criminal scum.
https://www.cato.org/blog/65-people-taken-ice-had-no-convictions-93-no-violent-convictions

https://reason.com/volokh/2025/05/20/most-migrants-deported-to-imprisonment-in-el-salvador-under-the-alien-enemies-act-had-no-criminal-record-and-many-had-entered-the-us-legally/

Oh, some of the men told a reporter they entered legally? Ope!

Vast majority of those deported have been criminal scum. The progressives are convinced a lot of those that have been deported are innocent fathers and soccer coaches because they can’t find any criminal info about them online, which apparently makes them upstanding citizens. I tend to trust the people doing their jobs to get these assholes out of our country and keep them out. They have better info than the incel internet sleuths trying to convince everyone these are actually good guys.

At the barest minimum almost every damn one of the people being deported are here illegally. Sure, a few mistakes will be made along the way in an operation of this scope. But again, we wouldn’t be here right now if Obama3 hadn’t left the border open. Elections have consequences.
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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #101 on: June 24, 2025, 07:48:13 AM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #102 on: June 24, 2025, 10:47:54 AM »
I think I'm reaching a point where I believe all of this is just performance art.

At this point, all three actual or wannabe autocrats are in better positions. Bibi launches some missiles, kills some people and maybe even a D list mullah. Iran sends a few back and pulverizes some fields, accidentally hits a hospital or two. Mostly the missiles get shot down. Trump sends out the bat signal so Iran moves their people, centrifuges, and uranium, Trump bombs what's left. They call him up and tell him we're gonna send some "retaliation" at Qatar.

Defense companies make some money making new bombs, Trump/Bibi get to walk around wrapped in a flag, Ayatollah gets on TV to say we retaliated against the great Satan and they have asked for a cease fire.

If any of these sides wanted to cripple the other, it would have been trivial. Take out Ayatollah - trivial. Poison water supply in several major US cities. Take out Israeli branches of major US companies. Etc...

Performance art.
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Re: Israel attacks Iran
« Reply #103 on: June 24, 2025, 11:03:42 AM »
Reasonable take.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #104 on: June 24, 2025, 11:04:25 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on June 24, 2025, 10:47:54 AM
I think I'm reaching a point where I believe all of this is just performance art.

At this point, all three actual or wannabe autocrats are in better positions. Bibi launches some missiles, kills some people and maybe even a D list mullah. Iran sends a few back and pulverizes some fields, accidentally hits a hospital or two. Mostly the missiles get shot down. Trump sends out the bat signal so Iran moves their people, centrifuges, and uranium, Trump bombs what's left. They call him up and tell him we're gonna send some "retaliation" at Qatar.

Defense companies make some money making new bombs, Trump/Bibi get to walk around wrapped in a flag, Ayatollah gets on TV to say we retaliated against the great Satan and they have asked for a cease fire.

If any of these sides wanted to cripple the other, it would have been trivial. Take out Ayatollah - trivial. Poison water supply in several major US cities. Take out Israeli branches of major US companies. Etc...

Performance art.

It’s a big club, and we ain’t in it.
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