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Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!

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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #105 on: December 10, 2023, 07:52:53 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 06:50:16 PM
We shot too many threes today, but if I were you I'm not sure I'd use "shooting a bunch of threes didn't work for the 2005 team" as evidence.

I think using that analogy for the 2005 team for the 1 game that I did is totally appropriate. I didn't use it for the entire year. One game vs One game is what I used as evidence.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2005-04-04-illinois.html

12-40 vs 9-36...seems bout right
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #106 on: December 10, 2023, 08:04:19 AM »
Quote from: Gokuwearsorange/blue on December 09, 2023, 08:20:45 PM
Hawkins is on the top 3 most frustrating Illinois player of all time list.

Hawkins - Nichols - Richmond would have to be mine as much as I can recall anyway.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #107 on: December 10, 2023, 08:07:19 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on December 10, 2023, 08:04:19 AM
Hawkins - Nichols - Richmond would have to be mine as much as I can recall anyway.

Nm
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #108 on: December 10, 2023, 08:09:00 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 10, 2023, 08:07:19 AM
Kipper had a pretty good last year…

Agreed, but he was always a frustrating player and had that same kind of Hawkins "where is the foul-that foul was on me" crap going on.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #109 on: December 10, 2023, 08:10:43 AM »
I was thinking of someone else lol
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #110 on: December 10, 2023, 10:45:58 AM »
Quote from: Bradford3 on December 10, 2023, 06:20:31 AM
I look forward to next season when I don't have to worry about seeing him complaining to the refs all game

The ongoing phrase we use in our game chat is "Hawkins makes me drink." He may be the most frustrating Illinois player in my lifetime.  At the game, all the Illinois fans in our section were yelling "nooooooooo" every time Hawkins got the ball at the 3 point line.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #111 on: December 10, 2023, 11:54:41 AM »
Quote from: illinismitty on December 10, 2023, 10:45:58 AM
The ongoing phrase we use in our game chat is "Hawkins makes me drink." He may be the most frustrating Illinois player in my lifetime.  At the game, all the Illinois fans in our section were yelling "nooooooooo" every time Hawkins got the ball at the 3 point line.

I am not a big fan, but his last two games have been better. I can actually live with what we saw yesterday on both sides of the ball.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #112 on: December 11, 2023, 08:37:20 AM »
We're 58th in the country in 3 pt tries and 225th in percentage.
Domask, Guerrier and Hawkins have 92 tries and hitting them at a blistering 20%. Rodgers is at 0% because he hasn't tried any. Or he could be considered to be at 100% because he hasn't tried any.
TSJ has 59 attempts and shooting at 42% and is the primary reason we're not lower than 225th in 3 pt fg percentage. Goode is also helping in that ranking.

We haven't been as bad as last year at anyone, guarded or not, getting the green light to shoot from anywhere on the floor at any time in the shot clock.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #113 on: December 11, 2023, 02:47:47 PM »
Quote from: Mn on December 11, 2023, 08:37:20 AM
We're 58th in the country in 3 pt tries and 225th in percentage.
Domask, Guerrier and Hawkins have 92 tries and hitting them at a blistering 20%. Rodgers is at 0% because he hasn't tried any. Or he could be considered to be at 100% because he hasn't tried any.
TSJ has 59 attempts and shooting at 42% and is the primary reason we're not lower than 225th in 3 pt fg percentage. Goode is also helping in that ranking.

We haven't been as bad as last year at anyone, guarded or not, getting the green light to shoot from anywhere on the floor at any time in the shot clock.

We are 1% better on 3p shooting percentage and 1% less on the amount of 3 pointers we attempt compared to last year.
So basically same deal.
We do seem like we are taking a few less absolute shit unmakeable looks. I think we will not backoff on taking threes and not get much better but will inch up around 33%.
Domask Hawkins, and Guerrier will not shoot 20% rest of year. Of course TSj and Goode will not shoot over 40% rest of year.
Theoretically if we are in 32% or 33% territory that is a license to keep shooting them. D1 average is 34%. Coach redass will tell you to fckoff and we are elite shooters if he gets questioned on it.
Will have good nights and bad nights. The analytic goal is to hit 33% of threes which is a 50% EFG%.

We only play three games rest of year vs Top 25 KenPom teams.

We should grind out 13 wins or so in league no matter what from our decent defense and rebounding and TSj.
The BT is unbelievably weak again this year with only three teams total in Top 25 KenPom.
Last year was worse believe it or not. Only two teams in Top 25.


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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #114 on: December 12, 2023, 09:18:05 AM »
Quote from: illinismitty on December 10, 2023, 10:45:58 AM
The ongoing phrase we use in our game chat is "Hawkins makes me drink." He may be the most frustrating Illinois player in my lifetime.  At the game, all the Illinois fans in our section were yelling "nooooooooo" every time Hawkins got the ball at the 3 point line.

I can't even remotely give CoHawk credit for me wanting to drink...I love to do that anyways!!!!
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #115 on: December 12, 2023, 10:04:40 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on December 10, 2023, 07:52:53 AM
I think using that analogy for the 2005 team for the 1 game that I did is totally appropriate. I didn't use it for the entire year. One game vs One game is what I used as evidence.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2005-04-04-illinois.html

12-40 vs 9-36...seems bout right

If you’re easily swayed by mind blowingly simple analysis, this is extremely compelling.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #116 on: December 12, 2023, 10:15:00 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on December 11, 2023, 02:47:47 PM
We are 1% better on 3p shooting percentage and 1% less on the amount of 3 pointers we attempt compared to last year.
So basically same deal.
We do seem like we are taking a few less absolute shit unmakeable looks. I think we will not backoff on taking threes and not get much better but will inch up around 33%.
Domask Hawkins, and Guerrier will not shoot 20% rest of year. Of course TSj and Goode will not shoot over 40% rest of year.
Theoretically if we are in 32% or 33% territory that is a license to keep shooting them. D1 average is 34%. Coach redass will tell you to fckoff and we are elite shooters if he gets questioned on it.
Will have good nights and bad nights. The analytic goal is to hit 33% of threes which is a 50% EFG%.

We only play three games rest of year vs Top 25 KenPom teams.

We should grind out 13 wins or so in league no matter what from our decent defense and rebounding and TSj.
The BT is unbelievably weak again this year with only three teams total in Top 25 KenPom.
Last year was worse believe it or not. Only two teams in Top 25.



I agree entirely with your 33% benchmark for shooting 3s and the need to focus on taking better shots, as others have also pointed out, to get there.
~33% was the benchmark last year. Until getting to that figure, being in the top 25-30 in attempts made no sense. A brick 3 can essentially be a turnover with a transition bucket by the other team.
A made 2 beats a bad shot 3 that is missed. A good 3 pt shot that is missed is part of the game, and every team has those.
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #117 on: December 12, 2023, 03:17:55 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 12, 2023, 10:04:40 AM
If you’re easily swayed by mind blowingly simple analysis, this is extremely compelling.

Well I was quoting based on a single game in both instances, how much analysis is warranted?
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #118 on: December 15, 2023, 09:32:34 AM »
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Re: Illini MENS Hoopers @ Knockersville, TN 12/9 early game!!!!
« Reply #119 on: December 15, 2023, 12:29:31 PM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on December 15, 2023, 09:32:34 AM
https://www.thechampaignroom.com/2023/12/14/23999192/illini-find-success-against-fau-struggle-at-tennessee-shannon-underwood-domask-msg-hawkins-dainja
Erik Krueger doesn't need to use stats to tell us about what we've been watching since Underwood declared, either last year or the year before, that we'll shoot a lot of 3s.
Tell the staff.
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