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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1710 on: December 11, 2023, 03:37:02 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 03:19:03 PM
You talk about my dishonesty but it seems you’re omitting a few seasons?

No, I counted every season between Flacco signing the huge contract and Lamar being drafted. There were 5.  They were 76-76 with one playoff appearance.
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« Reply #1711 on: December 11, 2023, 03:38:00 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 03:27:20 PM
Tempo is “dishonest” but I’m going to omit several seasons off of Joe Flacco’s career to bolster my point.

Nope, lying again.

I stated why I used those years.  It was every season between signing a mediocre passer to a huge contract and drafting another QB.  You ignored it and tried to move the goalposts.

Lying.
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« Reply #1712 on: December 11, 2023, 03:39:36 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 03:28:14 PM
And also Caleb Williams’ Heisman season.

Nope, lying again.

Imagine if you asked me “were Fields’ WR good last year?” and in response the first guy I brought up was Allen Robinson.  Then, when you pointed out Allen Robinson was not on the Bears last year, I started ranting about WHAT, THE YEAR BEFORE DOESNT COUNT??!

You’re either INCREDIBLY dishonest or not very smart based on these last few posts.  I think it’s the first option, but not totally sure yet.
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« Reply #1713 on: December 11, 2023, 03:55:19 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 11, 2023, 03:31:47 PM
I did/said it on purpose you fucking idiot! I was doing the exact same thing as you and I got the exact response I thought you’d give too lol. You’re dumb as fuck.

Lol ok!
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1714 on: December 11, 2023, 03:56:05 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 03:39:36 PM
Nope, lying again.

Imagine if you asked me “were Fields’ WR good last year?” and in response the first guy I brought up was Allen Robinson.  Then, when you pointed out Allen Robinson was not on the Bears last year, I started ranting about WHAT, THE YEAR BEFORE DOESNT COUNT??!

You’re either INCREDIBLY dishonest or not very smart based on these last few posts.  I think it’s the first option, but not totally sure yet.

Did you omit part of Flacco’s career in your post?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1715 on: December 11, 2023, 03:57:34 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 03:38:00 PM
Nope, lying again.

I stated why I used those years.  It was every season between signing a mediocre passer to a huge contract and drafting another QB.  You ignored it and tried to move the goalposts.

Lying.

And yet they re-signed him for 3 of those years. So apparently middling passing isn’t as much of a deal killer as you’re making it out to be. And again, what does Fields do that Flacco never could?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1716 on: December 11, 2023, 03:58:40 PM »
Was it a given that Lamar would improve as a passer this year after two straight years of being slightly below average?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1717 on: December 11, 2023, 04:03:09 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 11, 2023, 03:31:47 PM
I did/said it on purpose you fucking idiot! I was doing the exact same thing as you and I got the exact response I thought you’d give too lol. You’re dumb as fuck.

Explain how I did the “exact same thing?”  Im not following you here.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1718 on: December 11, 2023, 04:04:24 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 03:57:34 PM
And yet they re-signed him for 3 of those years. So apparently middling passing isn’t as much of a deal killer as you’re making it out to be. And again, what does Fields do that Flacco never could?

And then drafted a QB to replace him, which he did when Flacco got injured, and then led the Ravens to the playoffs and was an MVP the next year.  At that point they traded Flacco for a 4th round pick.

Do you think it's just a coincidence that literally the entire time between when he signed that huge deal and when they drafted his replacement they were mediocre?  You're welcome to believe that, lord knows no amount of evidence could ever change your mind about anything ever, but it's probably not a coincidence that they signed a mediocre QB to a huge contract and went from a Super Bowl winning team to a .500 team over the next 5 years overnight.

There are lots of things Fields does that Flacco never did.

- rush for 100 yards
- fumble once a game for 3 seasons as a starter
- get sacked on 10+% of his dropbacks

There are some things Flacco could do that Fields has never shown he can too, obviously.  Doesn't mean he wasn't a mediocre QB who got way overpaid, leading to a stretch of 5 pretty mediocre seasons.
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« Reply #1719 on: December 11, 2023, 04:05:23 PM »
Yes, like 9 years later they replaced him. Correct,
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1720 on: December 11, 2023, 04:05:43 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 03:58:40 PM
Was it a given that Lamar would improve as a passer this year after two straight years of being slightly below average?

He had already shown the ability to do that and won an MVP, so it certainly wasn't crazy to think it could happen.  If Fields was an MVP this year, no one would think we should move on from him.

If Lamar had been a mediocre passer his whole career and they gave him that contract in the hopes that maybe he would become a good passer later, it would've been universally derided (and rightfully so).
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« Reply #1721 on: December 11, 2023, 04:07:27 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 04:05:23 PM
Yes, like 9 years later they replaced him. Correct,

There were five years between when they signed him to a huge deal and when they drafted his replacement.  They were mediocre seasons for the Ravens.

You can keep avoiding acknowledging the truth all you want.  We all know honesty isn't a high priority for you in these discussions.  But what I said is a fact:  Flacco is a career mediocre passer.  He got signed to a huge contract on the back of one short stretch (that admittedly happened at the best possible time and won them a Super Bowl).  The five years after they signed him to that huge contract, they were a mediocre football team - until they replaced and traded him.
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« Reply #1722 on: December 11, 2023, 04:08:29 PM »
It looks like 10-11 year starter Derek Carr has eclipsed Justin’s passer rating 5 times in his career. He also doesn’t do some things Justin can do.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1723 on: December 11, 2023, 04:08:39 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 03:56:05 PM
Did you omit part of Flacco’s career in your post?

I didn't omit any year that was included in the time frame I specified - the time between when they signed him to a huge contract, and when they drafted his replacement - no.

Did he play other seasons?  Yeah, he played literally yesterday.  Those seasons weren't at all relevant to my comment about the time between when they signed him, and when they drafted his replacement.
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« Reply #1724 on: December 11, 2023, 04:09:50 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 04:08:29 PM
It looks like 10-11 year starter Derek Carr has eclipsed Justin’s passer rating 5 times in his career. He also doesn’t do some things Justin can do.

Yep.

Would you be happy if the Bears had just signed Derek Carr for four years, $150m?
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