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Adam Miller
« on: December 21, 2020, 09:38:06 PM »
Last 7 games.
15-49.
7-26 from 3.
40 pts.
5.7 ppg
Only 20 min and 1 shot att vs Rutgers.
Getting yelled at by Sgt Hulka 4.3 times per game.


Discuss.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2020, 10:51:20 PM »
My expectations for Miller as a freshman were tempered by the fact that, like Ayo, none of the blue bloods really got involved in his recruitment. They aren’t one and done type phenoms but really good 2-3 year foundational pieces that you build around. So I am not surprised that he is struggling against top 15 teams that play elite defense 8-9 games into his college career.

That said, this ain’t Morgan Park/Mac Irvin Fire basketball anymore, Ace. You wanted to go to a good program where you could get minutes against big time opponents on national TV, and you’ve been getting them. Now you gotta start earning them.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2020, 09:58:50 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on December 21, 2020, 09:38:06 PM
Last 7 games.
15-49.
7-26 from 3.
40 pts.
5.7 ppg
Only 20 min and 1 shot att vs Rutgers.
Getting yelled at by Sgt Hulka 4.3 times per game.


Discuss.

Freshman wall as in, other teams aren't leaving him wide open anymore.  He will figure it out, he's very talented.  D needs a ton of work though and that will come with playing with your teammates for longer periods of time
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2020, 10:54:08 AM »
It's not unheard of for freshmen and disappointing after his opening game.

We desperately need one of Miller, Trent, or Grandison figure out how to be a secondary scoring threat at a high level. I hate being that guy, but Alan Griffin has put 20 points/8+ rebounds on both of his P5 opponents, including the team we just lost to. Rumor was he bailed in part because of our guard depth but...he'd be our starting 3 and would be playing 25+ mpg. And we'd probably be 7-1.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2020, 01:05:21 PM »
Agree
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2020, 08:40:03 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on December 22, 2020, 10:54:08 AM
It's not unheard of for freshmen and disappointing after his opening game.

We desperately need one of Miller, Trent, or Grandison figure out how to be a secondary scoring threat at a high level. I hate being that guy, but Alan Griffin has put 20 points/8+ rebounds on both of his P5 opponents, including the team we just lost to. Rumor was he bailed in part because of our guard depth but...he'd be our starting 3 and would be playing 25+ mpg. And we'd probably be 7-1.

Well, it's not going to be Grandison, and Miller isn't worth having out there if he is not hitting shots. He doesn't do anything else right now. Trent had a very good game vs Rutgers, but has been inconsistent. Curbelo needs to play more if Miller can't figure it out. Curbelo needs to play more period.

The loss of Griffin was huge. He was our best shooter and pure scorer, athletic, and had a lot of attitude.
Agree he would be starting over Miller and we would be better team- like Top 5 good. He made Ayo better. Ayo is trying to do too much again.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2020, 09:43:45 PM »
Curbelo would have played until his legs fell off in the Rutgers game if he could quit fouling
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2020, 10:38:34 PM »
CF was kinda right about Frazier. CF predicted he wouldn’t keep scoring at the rate he did as a freshman. Spot on. Also said he was too slight and would break down. Partially true.

Frazier has given up the primary scoring role to Ayo and dedicated himself to being an elite defender and secondary scoring option. It’s not that he can’t score at the rate he used to, it’s that Ayo is the better option. So he’s right here but not for the reasons he stated.

Where CF is right on TF’s size actually is taking place on the other end of the floor. Trent is a tenacious defender and has great technique, but he’s quite limited by his size and strength.

When we have Curbelo and TF in the lineup at the same time, it’s really tough to match up with big physical guards and/or 3-4s who can handle the ball. So it’s not a great situation when we have to go to that lineup against teams like Rutgers.

So at times we have to choose between that or Miller or Grandison being out there more. Sadly Adam Miller looks like the sophomore version of Da’Monte Williams right now and Grandison from what I can tell is a poor man’s Alex Legion.

The light bulb turning on for Adam is probably the difference between a solid Top 25 team and a legit Top 10 team by March. Then again I’m not really sure about labeling any teams outside of Zaga and Baylor because after those two it seems like there are a bunch of other teams that are at a very similar level.

100% agree that Griffin was a huge loss for this team that can’t be made up by anything Adam can do this year. I think Adam is a tough kid but he won’t ever be as long as Griffin and may not ever play with the edge and be the kind of ball hawk Griffin did. I would be shocked if AG doesn’t end up in the NBA. With his pedigree that shouldn’t be surprising but many forget he was a low ranked recruit OA picked up off the spring scrap heap a couple years ago. (Yes I know he finished his HS career very strong but still)
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2020, 11:34:17 PM »
Agree with every word of that save the NBA prognostics which I just wouldn't bother guessing for a wing guard anymore.

Griffin was a recruiting steal given that teams were looking at him as a long play to get his brother and none of the big east coast schools offered him.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2020, 01:40:41 PM »
Ahem .......
Looks like your numbers are for the last 6 games.
For all 8 games, he's had 83 points.
For the year, he's had 4 double digit games, and had 9 vs Dook.
He's struggled in our 3 losses vs Baylor, Missourah, and Rutgers.
I know what you're sayin, but he's early into his freshman year.


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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2020, 12:26:47 AM »
Yes, the stats were for 6 games, not 7. Oops, my bad.

Same stats though since we started playing teams that were not glorified scrimmages.

He was 2-6 today and 1-4 from three.
Now shooting 31% overall and 26% from 3 in legit games.

He did have a nice flex when he made an and one.
Except he missed the one.

Sorry, not impressed so far. Based upon what we have seen to date he needs to sit more, play Curbelo more, and hopefully he gets on track with more work in practice. They gave Grandison some of his tick and he looked good and likely will get some in next games also.

Focus on his defense, learning how to use screens, make himself available for good shots,  drive more if he can. They have decided to stay home on him on D.
He needs to adapt.
This isn't AAU.

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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2020, 06:20:37 AM »
He had a couple hilarious mistakes on the P&R last night where he was just running around covering no one while his man was getting to the rim uncontested.

Speaking of P&R not sure why Underpants doesn't go zone sometimes. Easily the worst thing about this team so far although they did a little better for the most part last night.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2020, 07:05:41 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on December 24, 2020, 12:26:47 AM
Yes, the stats were for 6 games, not 7. Oops, my bad.

Same stats though since we started playing teams that were not glorified scrimmages.

He was 2-6 today and 1-4 from three.
Now shooting 31% overall and 26% from 3 in legit games.

He did have a nice flex when he made an and one.
Except he missed the one.

Sorry, not impressed so far. Based upon what we have seen to date he needs to sit more, play Curbelo more, and hopefully he gets on track with more work in practice. They gave Grandison some of his tick and he looked good and likely will get some in next games also.

Focus on his defense, learning how to use screens, make himself available for good shots,  drive more if he can. They have decided to stay home on him on D.
He needs to adapt.
This isn't AAU.


I agree with you. I was just picking on the 7 game part after thinking wait a minute, we've played 8.
He's put up some nice looking 3's when he's been wide open, but I'm just trying to cut him some slack. I'm hoping the reduction in off season and pre-season workouts and games is partly responsible for his play, along with the schedule we've played.
Curbelo has had some freshman moments too, but he just looks like he's got hoops smarts and is fun to watch. His turnovers can be a little out of control, but some of his assists are assists we are not used to seeing.
Hawkins didn't play, but I didn't hear if there was a reason.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2020, 08:23:10 AM »
Quote from: Mn on December 24, 2020, 07:05:41 AM
I agree with you. I was just picking on the 7 game part after thinking wait a minute, we've played 8.
He's put up some nice looking 3's when he's been wide open, but I'm just trying to cut him some slack. I'm hoping the reduction in off season and pre-season workouts and games is partly responsible for his play, along with the schedule we've played.
Curbelo has had some freshman moments too, but he just looks like he's got hoops smarts and is fun to watch. His turnovers can be a little out of control, but some of his assists are assists we are not used to seeing.
Hawkins didn't play, but I didn't hear if there was a reason.

Yeah I was wondering about Hawkins too.
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Re: Adam Miller
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2020, 11:52:55 AM »
Quote from: Mn on December 24, 2020, 07:05:41 AM
I agree with you. I was just picking on the 7 game part after thinking wait a minute, we've played 8.
He's put up some nice looking 3's when he's been wide open, but I'm just trying to cut him some slack. I'm hoping the reduction in off season and pre-season workouts and games is partly responsible for his play, along with the schedule we've played.
Curbelo has had some freshman moments too, but he just looks like he's got hoops smarts and is fun to watch. His turnovers can be a little out of control, but some of his assists are assists we are not used to seeing.
Hawkins didn't play, but I didn't hear if there was a reason.

Miller can shoot, but they are closing out hard and the defenders are not what he is used to. Longer, faster, and quicker.
Teams create entire offenses upon how to attack close outs. I will give Ayo a lot of credit- he is very good at shot fakes and then getting to midrange where he is better, or driving to hole off of those close outs.
If he could shoot the three better, he would be a lock for 1st round. The NBA has become so three ball oriented that he has to develop that.

As for Millier- I blame staff for his struggles TBH. He has to adapt- but I do not see him doing anything different very often. He did have one good take and make vs PSU.
If he watched Trent when they were full speed taking away his threeball at Rutgers, he started putting it on the floor. They then have to slow down the close outs which gives him a little more space.
Miller needs to think more now as it is not easy at this level.
If he can get going, and Grandison can contribute, and Curbelo can calm down a little, we could be good.
And no flexing until you have earned it. Good way to get your ass clocked next time down. 
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