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The most important election of our lives

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #360 on: November 08, 2024, 05:22:11 PM »
But also, “get your government hands off my Medicare!”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #361 on: November 08, 2024, 05:23:37 PM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #362 on: November 08, 2024, 05:25:28 PM »
Republicans like Marco Rubio (talk about a vanishing act btw) want to dismantle government assistance programs, yet he once acknowledged how much his parents benefited from these programs.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #363 on: November 08, 2024, 05:42:51 PM »
Quote from: Maximus Decimus Meridius on November 08, 2024, 05:19:53 PM
We are the richest country in the world by a lot, and we are the only developed country that doesn’t have some form of universal healthcare. Because freedumb, death panels, and penis’ in sports.

So poor people can’t get medical treatment?
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #364 on: November 08, 2024, 05:51:45 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 08, 2024, 05:09:55 PM
Our people are overweight. We should address the reasons why.

Who exactly are these people who refuse to contribute anything? How do you know their numbers are growing? How are they getting your money?

Certainly one of them is that government assistance allows for unrestricted purchases of processed junk food and sugary drinks, so you have low education people buying junk food with money they didn’t earn, then, shockingly, becoming obese and putting a huge strain on the healthcare system. I have stood in line more than once behind families where every member was morbidly obese, purchasing shopping carts full of nothing but diabetes producing garbage.

We also need to take a holistic look at our entire food system that’s loaded with garbage that doesn’t even exist in other countries. I work in the sustainable ag space, so I’m intimately familiar with how bad it is. RFK Jr has said he would like to address some of these issues.

The number of people on assistance have been steadily increasing for decades. They get my money because I’m an earner that pays taxes. Many of these people genuinely need the help, and I’m happy to give it. Some of them are freeloaders. It is what it is.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #365 on: November 08, 2024, 05:59:30 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 08, 2024, 04:26:30 PM
Christians do a lot of charity work. It’s part of the whole thing.

The reason to collect taxes and provide services rather than rely on charity doing it, is that when you do it via charity, the people giving the money can selectively do charity. Poor Christian? Here you go. Poor non-christian? Find some bootstraps.

This before we get into the amount of money that goes into the collection plate and just ends up in the Vatican or Salt Lake City coffers to collect interest. And don't even get me started on the amount of tax deductable charitable contributions that go to both religious and secular private schools to build a new football stadium at the school that charges 30k/year tuition with tax free money.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #366 on: November 08, 2024, 06:01:05 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 08, 2024, 05:51:45 PM
We also need to take a holistic look at our entire food system that’s loaded with garbage that doesn’t even exist in other countries. I work in the sustainable ag space, so I’m intimately familiar with how bad it is. RFK Jr has said he would like to address some of these issues.

Got news. If RFK Jr tries to get in the way of High Fructose Corn Syrup production he'll be out on his ass immediately. Before we even get started on the donors being all tied up into Big Food Incorporated - look at the diet of the President himself.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #367 on: November 08, 2024, 06:15:34 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 08, 2024, 05:42:51 PM
So poor people can’t get medical treatment?

If they’re willing to go into bankruptcy and ruin their credit they’ll likely get emergency treamtent. Unless they’re really poor. Do you know how many people go into medical bankruptcy per year in America? Do you know how many people die in America because they can’t afford cancer screenings? Do you know how many people stay at jobs they hate because they are afraid of losing their health insurance? It’s insane to have your health insurance tied to your job. But ‘Murica
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #368 on: November 08, 2024, 06:16:40 PM »
No point in going after HFCS, it’s basically the same as table sugar.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #369 on: November 08, 2024, 06:20:21 PM »
Quote from: Maximus Decimus Meridius on November 08, 2024, 06:15:34 PM
If they’re willing to go into bankruptcy and ruin their credit they’ll likely get emergency treamtent. Unless they’re really poor. Do you know how many people go into medical bankruptcy per year in America? Do you know how many people die in America because they can’t afford cancer screenings? Do you know how many people stay at jobs they hate because they are afraid of losing their health insurance? It’s insane to have your health insurance tied to your job. But ‘Murica

Our system is a mess, partially due to failed ACA policy. But free or low cost health care is available to low income Americans.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #370 on: November 08, 2024, 07:21:25 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 08, 2024, 06:20:21 PM
Our system is a mess, partially due to failed ACA policy. But free or low cost health care is available to low income Americans.

Access to healthcare has improved since a watered down ACA passed.

Still

10 states had declined Medicaid expansion the last I checked.

In states that did, there is still a gap between eligibility for ACA subsidies and Medicaid
eligibility.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #371 on: November 08, 2024, 08:02:06 PM »
From 2023:

About 8 percent (or $545 billion) of the 2023 federal budget supported programs that provide aid (other than health insurance or Social Security benefits) to individuals and families facing hardship. Economic security programs include: the refundable portions of the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit, which assist low- and moderate-income working families; programs that provide cash payments to eligible individuals or households, including unemployment insurance and Supplemental Security Income for low-income people who are over age 65 or disabled; various forms of in-kind assistance for low-income people, including the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (formerly known as food stamps), school meals, low-income housing assistance, child care assistance, and help meeting home energy bills; and other programs such as aid for abused or neglected children.

Economic security programs keep millions of people above the poverty line each year. They also reduce, but do not eliminate, racial and ethnic differences in poverty rates
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #372 on: November 08, 2024, 11:50:26 PM »
Fuckin’ immigrants.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #373 on: November 09, 2024, 12:23:24 AM »
Quote from: Custard on November 08, 2024, 06:16:40 PM
No point in going after HFCS, it’s basically the same as table sugar.

Nope.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #374 on: November 09, 2024, 08:58:28 AM »
Quote from: Maximus Decimus Meridius on November 08, 2024, 04:00:00 PM
Again, Obama literally ran as a Chicago based agent of change. A “collective” candidate. “We are the change we’ve been waiting for.” He was the embodiment of what you bash here every single day.

He sold you a bill of goods. I was fine with him because of that
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