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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: ThePAMan on September 25, 2023, 10:22:06 PM
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Background Facts: Getsy was successful before he took on an offense with Fields as the QB. Getsy was viewed as a genius by Tempo's guy Parkins, who said the Bear should fire Eberlose and hire Getsy as head coach. Getsy is scheming guys open but the ball is not being thrown.
Proposition: It is Fields' ineptitude and refusal to accept coaching that is destroying Getsy's reputation.
Discuss.
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Someone had a few ranch waters apparently.
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Background Facts: Aaron Rodgers was successful before Getsy took on an offense with Fields as the QB.
Fixed it for ya.
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Background Facts: Getsy was successful before he took on an offense with Fields as the QB. Getsy was viewed as a genius by Tempo's guy Parkins, who said the Bear should fire Eberlose and hire Getsy as head coach. Getsy is scheming guys open but the ball is not being thrown.
Proposition: It is Fields' ineptitude and refusal to accept coaching that is destroying Getsy's reputation.
Discuss.
JT O’Sullivan spends virtually the entirety of the 1st half of the video talking about how “the details of the offense aren’t there (and it’s slow),” and that “they are struggling to find proper ways to use Justin’s abilities.” That’s on the offensive coordinator.
He also mentions how his weapons are pretty ordinary. Every player is a notch below what you’d want. So again, if you watched JT O’Sullivan and came away with the conclusion that “Justin Fields sucks and can’t get any better,” I’d argue JT himself disagrees with you.
https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=jt%20o%E2%80%99sullivan%20getsy&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:436fa344,vid:j911xJkD_TY,st:0
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I also enjoyed his reference to the movie Tin Cup (although he didn’t mention the movie by name).
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Kurt Warner referring to the KC game. “A lot of times there just wasn’t anyone open. There’s a lot going on there.”
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Fields may get better, but then .....
Every game has plays where receivers aren't open.
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It’s almost as if there is plenty of blame to go around (and which Fields deserves his share).
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Kurt Warner referring to the KC game. “A lot of times there just wasn’t anyone open. There’s a lot going on there.”
I love that Mn zeroes in on Fields here, though. Very on brand.
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I love that Mn zeroes in on Fields here, though. Very on brand.
Except I didn't zero in on Fields
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Fields may get better, but then .....
Every game has plays where receivers aren't open.
No? He’s literally the only player you mentioned by name.
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No? He’s literally the only player you mentioned by name.
Are you mentally challenged? The next line, dude.....
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I love that Mn zeroes in on Fields here, though. Very on brand.
Every team has plays where guys are not open. Yet FFFs only think it happens to Fields. Hilarious
Poor Getsy getting fucked over by this shit QB. Going to be a long time before he gets another OC job. May have to be a video guy next to rehab his reputation.
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Tempo, you used to be AOTC before Fields came along. Fields has destroyed that too. Sad!
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Are you mentally challenged? The next line, dude.....
Unlike you, I can read. He’s saying it’s Fields’ fault for not overcoming that. And to a degree, that’s not wrong.
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Every team has plays where guys are not open. Yet FFFs only think it happens to Fields. Hilarious
Poor Getsy getting fucked over by this shit QB. Going to be a long time before he gets another OC job. May have to be a video guy next to rehab his reputation.
You’re maniacal.
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Actually, more like a baby throwing a tantrum.
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Every team has plays where guys are not open. Yet FFFs only think it happens to Fields. Hilarious
Never once said that.
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Unlike you, I can read. He’s saying it’s Fields’ fault for not overcoming that. And to a degree, that’s not wrong.
Uh, no he wasn't. He was pointing out the obvious: That plays where guys are not open is not unique to your Cult Leader.
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Never once said that.
You apparently do think that by questioning Mn. Be transparent, please.
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Actually, more like a baby throwing a tantrum.
Classic conduct. Cultists must always protect the Cult Leader.
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Uh, no he wasn't. He was pointing out the obvious: That plays where guys are not open is not unique to your Cult Leader.
That’s not what he was saying. You’re being disingenuous. He mentioned Fields and no one else for a reason.
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Unlike you, I can read. He’s saying it’s Fields’ fault for not overcoming that. And to a degree, that’s not wrong.
No. I'll wait until he shows something other than his running ability. It may happen, it may not.
He did throw a nice pass to Moore a couple, or was it a few, weeks ago.
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That’s not what he was saying. You’re being disingenuous. He mentioned Fields and no one else for a reason.
I will not apologize for being able to speak "Mn-ese"....
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FFS trolls
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FFS trolls
I understood what he was saying.
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I understood what he was saying.
Clearly you didn’t. It’s easy for you and him to pretend otherwise, though.
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Clearly you didn’t. It’s easy for you and him to pretend otherwise, though.
This is not the January 6th Conspiracy, Tempo. I understood, well, at least I think I understood, what he was saying.
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This is not the January 6th Conspiracy, Tempo. I understood, well, at least I think I understood, what he was saying.
In a nutshell, He was saying Fields has to overcome that and elevate his team. I didn’t even disagree with it. It’s just very on brand that he’d point out Fields’ deficiencies instead of blame receivers not getting open.
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In a nutshell, He was saying Fields has to overcome that and elevate his team. I didn’t even disagree with it. It’s just very on brand that he’d point out Fields’ deficiencies instead of blame receivers not getting open.
I think he was saying Fields has experiences with plays that suck and no one is open like everyone else.
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I think he was saying Fields has experiences with plays that suck and no one is open like everyone else.
No…
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Chase Daniel watched the A22 and said he saw “mostly decent quarterbacking. No one was really open.”
Said some of the problem is scheme, a large part of it is personnel.
Not much innovation in play calls.
Trying too many things that don’t have a good chance to work.
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He said Fields made the right play on the INT. Said the defense was good and route was not great.
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“Not a lot of open guys.” - Chase Daniel
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“Quarterback gets way too much blame, and way too much credit.”
“Yes, there were a handful of plays Fields would want back, but just not a lot of opportunities to make plays.”
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“Kansas City has a top 3 defense. Best since Reid has been there.”
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Spiegel asked him about Tua and processing. Chase said you’re comparing “Apples to trash. Team speed, innovation, scheme is high end elite for Miami.”
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He basically just said everything I’ve been saying for the last two weeks.
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Basically what I got out of what he said is that “it’s difficult to be consistent when no one else around you is.” Which has been my point.
He did say that he thought the line was mostly pretty good the last two games. Just a few miscommunications.
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Chase certainly didn’t seem complimentary of the Bears talent on offense.
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https://youtu.be/GY0VYVlpO2A?si=2tKKZwEc_1VnUrcY
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“Justin Fields is becoming the perfect scapegoat.” - Tim Jenkins
https://youtu.be/gHLrXcKuFmo?si=wBQzL3l8ERjWs5vx
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“So much more dysfunction than Justin Fields.” - Tim Jenkins
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I should probably start my own talk show. Jenkins implied there is impatience with Fields because of “recent experiences” i.e. Mitch (which I’ve pointed out). And that some people were ready to pull the plug on Josh Allen until it flipped.
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Chase certainly didn’t seem complimentary of the Bears talent on offense.
I thought DJ Moore was really good
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I thought DJ Moore was really good
I like him. But honestly, he’s just really good. Not special, but really good. Top 20 WR in the league IMO. A more polished but poor man’s Deebo Samuel IMO.
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I have no major qualms with this list after perusing it.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-wide-receiver-rankings-2023-nfl-season
DJ Moore #16 which sounds about right. Would be great if you had another star to pair him with. A Jamar Chase or Deebo.
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So now Fields can only win with “elite” talent. Ok, cool. You see a problem there?!
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So now Fields can only win with “elite” talent. Ok, cool. You see a problem there?!
“Elite?” I’m not sure these guys think the talent is adequate.
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JudgeJudy, what did Joe Burrow do before J’Marr Chase came along?
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Maybe they should have traded that number 1 pick for a better receiver than DJ Moore. And maybe they should have left Claypool with the Steelers.
I don't know.
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Maybe they should have traded that number 1 pick for a better receiver than DJ Moore. And maybe they should have left Claypool with the Steelers.
I don't know.
You forgetting about the two 1st and two 2nd round picks that came with him? DJ Moore is probably an adequate #1. Claypool is NOT an adequate #2.
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You forgetting about the two 1st and two 2nd round picks that came with him? DJ Moore is probably an adequate #1. Claypool is NOT an adequate #2.
No, I'm not forgetting.
You just said something about "what was Burrow like without Jamar Chase?" I was just saying that if JFC needs a stud #1 to succeed, maybe they should have got a stud #1 instead of an "adequate" one. I don't know, just a thought.
After the tank, the draft, and the largest amount of cap space in the league last year, we sure don't seem to have shit to show for it.
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I think DJ Moore is fine. It’s guys like Claypool and Kmet that are getting clowned in these reviews pretty regularly.
As far as “more to show for it,” you have 30 something guys that have played together for 3 games. A lot of them are 1st and 2nd year players. Also had some injuries, 60% of the OLine is hurt and missing two starters in the secondary. Not shocking it hasn’t come together yet, but it shouldn’t be this bad, I’ll grant you that.
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No, I'm not forgetting.
You just said something about "what was Burrow like without Jamar Chase?" I was just saying that if JFC needs a stud #1 to succeed, maybe they should have got a stud #1 instead of an "adequate" one. I don't know, just a thought.
After the tank, the draft, and the largest amount of cap space in the league last year, we sure don't seem to have shit to show for it.
I said that because every great quarterback of recent vintage has had a high end elite player. Brady had Gronk. Burrow has Chase (and Higgins). Mahomes had Hill and Kelce. Allen has Diggs. Hurts has AJ Brown and highly competent 2 and TE. Having high quality weapons helps.
Tua has Hill and Waddle.
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Again, just watching these reviews, I get the impression the reviewers are not impressed with the players around Fields minus Moore.
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Now Fields is ruining DJ Moore's reputation. The Cult will stop at nothing to defend their guy
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Stinky bait.
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Stinky bait.
Well, a good quarterback is supposed to make everyone else around him better. And here you are backtracking on DJ Moore after being all excited that they got him.
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No, I'm not forgetting.
You just said something about "what was Burrow like without Jamar Chase?" I was just saying that if JFC needs a stud #1 to succeed, maybe they should have got a stud #1 instead of an "adequate" one. I don't know, just a thought.
After the tank, the draft, and the largest amount of cap space in the league last year, we sure don't seem to have shit to show for it.
They can only trade with who’s willing. There were no Ja’Marr Chase’s to be had, Im quite sure. You’ve basically created a strawman here.
The Claypool trade was dumb from the word go.
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Well, a good quarterback is supposed to make everyone else around him better. And here you are backtracking on DJ Moore after being all excited that they got him.
True, Fields isn’t there yet. And he may never get there. Not backtracking on Moore at all. He’s a damn good player. I’ve said all along he’s a mid tier #1.
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True, Fields isn’t there yet. And he may never get there. Not backtracking on Moore at all. He’s a damn good player. I’ve said all along he’s a mid tier #1.
Do you now believe Fields needs a top tier #1?
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Do you now believe Fields needs a top tier #1?
No, but better secondary options would definitely help. Tee Higgins, Devontae Smith, and/or Dallas Goedert would be nice.
More than anything, I believe Fields needs better coaching and play-calling.
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No, but better secondary options would definitely help. Tee Higgins, Devontae Smith, and/or Dallas Goedert would be nice.
More than anything, I believe Fields needs better coaching and play-calling.
Have a feeling you would still be disappointed.
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You forgetting about the two 1st and two 2nd round picks that came with him? DJ Moore is probably an adequate #1. Claypool is NOT an adequate #2.
Notice here, the complaint is AFTER Moore the talent falls off. Probably fairly drastically, especially compared to what other top quarterbacks have.
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But PissPoorNarrativeMan thinks I’ve finger-pointed Moore as the problem. Lol
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But PissPoorNarrativeMan thinks I’ve finger-pointed Moore as the problem. Lol
We get that Fields has to have the second best receiver corps to be successful.
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We get that Fields has to have the second best receiver corps to be successful.
It doesn’t hurt. I can’t think of a top tier QB without a top Tier receiving corps, or at least one ELITE weapon. Mahomes has the worst he’s ever had right now, and their offense needed to play the Bears to get back on track.
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I scrolled through and didn’t find it but I’m still giggling about the comment about Getsy’s “legacy.”
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Who subscribes to ESPN? I want to see the rest of this list. lol
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/38499873/ranking-six-nfl-quarterbacks-get-benched-2023-zach-wilson-sam-howell
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Who subscribes to ESPN? I want to see the rest of this list. lol
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/38499873/ranking-six-nfl-quarterbacks-get-benched-2023-zach-wilson-sam-howell
Baker Mayfield
Desmond Ridder
Ryan Tannehill
Russell Wilson
Sam Howell
Zach Wilson
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Hahaha holy shit. I’m pretty amazed Fields is not on the list. Not that I think he should be benched. Spent two 1sts on him, might as well ride it out:
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We should’ve hired Mike McDaniel.
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I'm not a Baker Mayfield fan, but I don't think he should be on this list.
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I'm not a Baker Mayfield fan, but I don't think he should be on this list.
Me either. Fields wasn’t in there just because they think the Bears will ride or die this year. No mention of Bagnet taking over. They keep saying Peterson is the backup, but I wanna see what Bagnet can do.
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I'm not a Baker Mayfield fan, but I don't think he should be on this list.
Yea he’s been pretty decent so far. Can’t recall what he did last week, though.
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Bears media finally grilled Getsy pretty good today. I swear this is what I heard when listening to him explain the offense.
https://youtu.be/tpzR3bQQ7wc?si=grN0s5_GCTuo9DjS
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“It's another example of Bears' offensive coordinator Luke Getsy having less than zero situational awareness. Yet again, the Bears took the ball out of Justin Fields' hands. After scrambling for a 20-yard run on a third-and-10, the Bears' next seven plays were all runs, with the final play being the failed fourth-down attempt by Herbert.“
https://ontapsportsnet.com/bears/chicago-bears-problems-matt-eberflus-justin-fields-stats-chase-claypool-inactive-week-4-denver-broncos
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“It's another example of Bears' offensive coordinator Luke Getsy having less than zero situational awareness. Yet again, the Bears took the ball out of Justin Fields' hands. After scrambling for a 20-yard run on a third-and-10, the Bears' next seven plays were all runs, with the final play being the failed fourth-down attempt by Herbert.“
https://ontapsportsnet.com/bears/chicago-bears-problems-matt-eberflus-justin-fields-stats-chase-claypool-inactive-week-4-denver-broncos
Maybe they didn't want to risk him fumbling or throwing an INT.
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Maybe they didn't want to risk him fumbling or throwing an INT.
*flailing*
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*flailing*
Sad part is it is probably true.
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Sad part is it is probably true.
That you’re flailing? Yes, it’s true.
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That you’re flailing? Yes, it’s true.
He did fumble and throw an INT in the 4th quarter, so they would have good reason to not trust him. Those are the ugly facts you refuse to accept as you are in denial. And have been wrong about everything Bear the past 2 years.
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He did fumble and throw an INT in the 4th quarter, so they would have good reason to not trust him. Those are the ugly facts you refuse to accept as you are in denial. And have been wrong about everything Bear the past 2 years.
They aren’t even in a position to win that game without Justin Fields. The defense made a great play on the fumble. Getsy went back to the well one too many times (as he always does with what’s working). I heard that was their 8th naked bootleg in the game. No play minus the most basic run play through the A, B, or C gap should be called 8x in a game.
Chase Daniel said Justin did nothing wrong on the INT. He basically said if Cole Kmet were a more instictual player, he’d have cut off his route like Justin expected him to.
95% of what Fields did Sunday was overwhelmingly positive.
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They aren’t even in a position to win that game without Justin Fields. The defense made a great play on the fumble. Getsy went back to the well one too many times (as he always does with what’s working). I heard that was their 8th naked bootleg in the game. No play minus the most basic run play through the A, B, or C gap should be called 8x in a game.
Chase Daniel said Justin did nothing wrong on the INT. He basically said if Cole Kmet were a more instictual player, he’d have cut off his route like Justin expected him to.
95% of what Fields did Sunday was overwhelmingly positive.
It was the Broncos. LOL. They suck. Just not as much as the Bear.
He could have not fumbled when sacked, apparently too much to ask of him. He's the Black Dave Kreig.
I don't know whose fault it is. He threw the ball inside after Kmet stopped. The D man had position on the inside, which is probably why Kmet stopped. Maybe work a little extra in practice so there is no such communication breakdown in an important situation like that?
Sean Payton got what he said he wanted: Fields in the pocket where they figured there eventually would be a screw up.
Go Bears.
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“It was the Broncos.” Lol coming from a guy who apparently didn’t even watch much of the game. Some plays guys were wide open. A large handful of plays were excellent throws made in rhythm. Fields made a large handful of exceptional plays.
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“It was the Broncos.” Lol coming from a guy who apparently didn’t even watch much of the game. Some plays guys were wide open. A large handful of plays were excellent throws made in rhythm. Fields made a large handful of exceptional plays.
Didn't see 99% of it.
It was the Broncos. Who the week before gave up 70 points and 700 yards, yet managed to figure out, so I've read and heard, a way to stymie the Bear offense the last 20 min of game time.
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Didn't see 99% of it.
Then maybe you should STFU. You sure came running when the bad stuff happened. Telling.
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Then maybe you should STFU. You sure came running when the bad stuff happened. Telling.
Sorry facts suck as opposed to the dumb crap excuses you spew daily here.
What was Fields' numbers in the 4th quarter when the Bear was blowing a franchise record 21 point lead? Oh, yeah, he was, what 4 for 10 with an intentional grounding, fumble for a Denver TD, and an INT (where, per the Sun Times, it was Fields who fucked it up as Kmet adjusted his route as the Bear offense dictates in that situation). Yeah, awesome when it counted against that vaunted Bronco D.
Stop trolling us. This has to be an act.
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Lol
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https://reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/Jn0c4dwqOv
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https://reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/Jn0c4dwqOv
We have been blessed to have him as our QB the last 3 years.
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We have been blessed to have him as our QB the last 3 years.
Awwwwwww…
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Funny…
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Can we trust Reddit?!
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Why was Getsy so thoroughly outcoached by Brian Flores? Particularly when everyone knew Flores likes bringing pressure. They had 10 days to prepare, and Getsy had no answers. After two pretty well called games from Getsy it was a major step backwards.
Passing on downs when you should have been running? Particularly with a kid seeing his first career action with no game prep? 3 perimeter screens in a row? 5 step drops when they are showing blitz with an 8 man front?
Where were the screens (that he couldn’t call enough of weeks 1 and 2) and draws to beat the pressure? Should have come right back with another pass after Mooney gashed them for 39 yards.
Getsy has no sense of rhythm and no sense of situational awareness. Massive failure of a hire.
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Former Bear Corey Wootton says he’s “never seen snaps that bad, worst I’ve ever seen in a football game” and that Flus saying “look, I like and respect Cody Whitehair but he wasn’t getting it done” would have been totally fine.
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“As a coach you have to have those uncomfortable situations.” - Corey Wootton
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Where is the ire for the people who hired these clowns? The bad coaches and bad players are just symptoms of the disease.
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Not sure if it’s the McCaskeys or Poles. I wanted Jim Caldwell or Byron Leftwich, an offensive coach with experience who could have coached Justin up better.
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“Luke Getsy has to be better. He has to look in the mirror and call a better game plan. It doesn’t matter if Caleb Williams got drafted next year, if he’s inconsistent calling the plays like this no one is going to be successful. Eberflus has to be better taking accountability. Looks weak. Players like him but you have to man up.” - Corey Wootton
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I thought the hires were baffling when they made them. Seemed cheap, like something you’d want to do if you were going to tank.
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I thought the hires were baffling when they made them. Seemed cheap, like something you’d want to do if you were going to tank.
Yeah, I did think that they didn’t exactly go all out.
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Always, always, always trust content from ThePAMan....
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/did-the-bears-want-to-fire-luke-getsy-new-report-suggests-no/
Bears brass saw Fields, not Getsy, as the problem with the offense.
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Always, always, always trust content from ThePAMan....
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/did-the-bears-want-to-fire-luke-getsy-new-report-suggests-no/
Bears brass saw Fields, not Getsy, as the problem with the offense.
Makes sense being they retained Flus.
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He sucked. He will suck in Vegas. “Did great things for the run game.” Lol His best running threat was Justin Fields.
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He got a job because Kingsbury backed out of Vegas.
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He got a job because Kingsbury backed out of Vegas.
They could’ve hired anyone else. Fields might be a damn kick returner/punt returner, man.
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They could’ve hired anyone else. Fields might be a damn kick returner/punt returner, man.
Yep.
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Just face it, Fields is toxic.
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I’d bet money DeVante Adams (their only star on offense with Josh Jacob’s departure) had some sway in the decision. Adams was unhappy with his role, and he knows Getsy will get him the ball.
Getsy’s best runner was Justin Fields. That’s not debatable.
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Just face it, Fields is toxic.
That’s idiotic. No one but you thinks that.
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They could’ve hired anyone else. Fields might be a damn kick returner/punt returner, man.
Probably won’t happen. But hey, he’d probably be really good at it.
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Fumbles are not a good attribute for a return man or for a team's best running back.
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That’s idiotic. No one but you thinks that.
Me and the rest of the league, apparently.
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Fumbles are not a good attribute for a return man or for a team's best running back.
Facts are irrelevant when it comes to Fields. For some.
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Is Fields the prototypical “on time” quarterback? No. “Toxic?” I can’t think of anyone who thinks he’s toxic. Besides for this forum.
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Fumbles are not a good attribute for a return man or for a team's best running back.
And yet every opposing coach feared his running ability.
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And yet every opposing coach feared his running ability.
When he had the ball in his hands at least
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Judging by the fact they added a HOF WR, a 22 year old Larry Fitzgerald clone in the top 10 of the draft, a FA upgrade at RB, a starting caliber TE, and a couple of potential starting OLinemen, I’m guessing they came to the conclusion Fields wasn’t the only thing wrong with the offense.
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I may actually watch them again this year
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Judging by the fact they added a HOF WR, a 22 year old Larry Fitzgerald clone in the top 10 of the draft, a FA upgrade at RB, a starting caliber TE, and a couple of potential starting OLinemen, I’m guessing they came to the conclusion Fields wasn’t the only thing wrong with the offense.
Not the "only," but the "main."
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What good are HOF-caliber WR’s if you have a QB who can’t get them the ball and is running everywhere back there?! Better yet, how’s he supposed to get anybody the ball when he’s returning kicks?!
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Not the "only," but the "main."
Clearly they thought there was a lot wrong with it.
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What good are HOF-caliber WR’s if you have a QB who can’t get them the ball and is running everywhere back there?! Better yet, how’s he supposed to get anybody the ball when he’s returning kicks?!
DJ Moore had a career year.
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Clearly they thought there was a lot wrong with it.
Starting with Sh1t QB1.
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DJ Moore had a career year.
When you literally stare down one receiver and attempt to get him the ball every passing play that’ll happen. I’d say 95% of the credit for that career year was because of DJ Moore too.
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When you literally stare down one receiver and attempt to get him the ball every passing play that’ll happen. I’d say 95% of the credit for that career year was because of DJ Moore too.
Lol
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When you literally stare down one receiver and attempt to get him the ball every passing play that’ll happen. I’d say 95% of the credit for that career year was because of DJ Moore too.
The rest of the League apparently agrees with you. The people on The Twotter don't though.
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When you literally stare down one receiver and attempt to get him the ball every passing play that’ll happen. I’d say 95% of the credit for that career year was because of DJ Moore too.
Dj’s target share percentage was about 10th in the league, which is perfectly in-line for a player of his talent, and fairly modest considering the significant drop off in talent after him. And Justin’s efficiency ratings with DJ were very high.
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Pretty fair analysis here from JT O’Sullivan IMO. Russell is not, never really has been an “on time” quarterback, but he will be in the HOF one day. The Q&A video he does in the link is good listening too. At about 19:40 he starts talking about the Bears (how they’ve massively upgraded the weaponry, his frustration with what they asked Fields to play with on the edge, and talks about “ya boy,” inside joke about Cole Kmet).
Does Justin need to throw with more anticipation? Yes. Is that the only thing that makes a good quarterback? No.
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/05/former-nfl-qb-says-justin-fields-must-play-with-more-anticipation-wont-learn-it-from-russell-wilson/
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Pretty fair analysis here from JT O’Sullivan IMO. Russell is not, never really has been an “on time” quarterback, but he will be in the HOF one day. The Q&A video he does in the link is good listening too. At about 19:40 he starts talking about the Bears (how they’ve massively upgraded the weaponry, his frustration with what they asked Fields to play with on the edge, and talks about “ya boy,” inside joke about Cole Kmet).
Does Justin need to throw with more anticipation? Yes. Is that the only thing that makes a good quarterback? No.
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/05/former-nfl-qb-says-justin-fields-must-play-with-more-anticipation-wont-learn-it-from-russell-wilson/
Some fair analysis indeed....
"Getting to sit and learn on the bench may do him some good."
Yeah, we all know how you reacted when I suggested he stand next to Getsy on the sideline to try and learn the offense. But now it is fair analysis, so I'll chalk that one up as another win.
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Some fair analysis indeed....
"Getting to sit and learn on the bench may do him some good."
Yeah, we all know how you reacted when I suggested he stand next to Getsy on the sideline to try and learn the offense. But now it is fair analysis, so I'll chalk that one up as another win.
At that time Fields was sharing the qb room with Trevor Siemien, not a future HOF quarterback. Would have been ridiculous to sit Fields behind a far inferior player. And that’s not really the part I was overly agreeing with, as I suspect Fields will take the job from Wilson at some point this season.
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At that time Fields was sharing the qb room with Trevor Siemien, not a future HOF quarterback. Would have been ridiculous to sit Fields behind a far inferior player. And that’s not really the part I was overly agreeing with, as I suspect Fields will take the job from Wilson at some point this season.
Let's hope he plays a lot. Can use a high 4th round draft pick
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The main part I agree with is that Fields needs to improve on anticipation, but I don’t think “great” anticipation is necessarily mandatory for highl level quarterback play. As noted, that was never a “strength” for Russell Wilson yet he was a top 6 QB in the league for 6-8 years. I wouldn’t call Josh Allen that type of passer, either.
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The main part I agree with is that Fields needs to improve on anticipation, but I don’t think “great” anticipation is necessarily mandatory for highl level quarterback play. As noted, that was never a “strength” for Russell Wilson yet he was a top 6 QB in the league for 6-8 years. I wouldn’t call Josh Allen that type of passer, either.
Wilson certainly did not anticipate where Malcolm Butler was going to be.
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Elway and Montana got it done in different ways. The guys who MUST be good anticipation throwers are usually weaker armed quarterbacks, Tua/Dan Fouts/Chad Pennington types.
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Elway and Montana got it done in different ways. The guys who MUST be good anticipation throwers are usually weaker armed quarterbacks, Tua/Dan Fouts/Chad Pennington types.
If Spark were here he would rightly mock you for comparing Fields to any of these guys.
I don't get how Dan Fouts is lumped in with Tua and Pennington either.
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I didn’t compare Fields to those guys.
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If Spark were here he would rightly mock you for comparing Fields to any of these guys.
I don't get how Dan Fouts is lumped in with Tua and Pennington either.
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Seriously? They compared his arm to Marino's so that lumps him with Tua and Chad Pennington? You should be mocked for this too.
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I didn’t compare Fields to those guys.
Sure you did!
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Seriously? They compared his arm to Marino's You should be mocked for this too.
You can’t be fucking serious.
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Sure you did!
You can’t be fucking serious.
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Yes, they “compared” his arm to Marino’s, and noted how it was inferior.
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Yes, they “compared” his arm to Marino’s, and noted how it was inferior.
Every player who does not have Dan Marino's arm is comparable to Tua and Pennington is quite an argument you have constructed. LOL.
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You can’t be fucking serious.
Elway, Montana...yep, they are all guys who get it done in different ways like Fields.
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Every player who does not have Dan Marino's arm is comparable to Tua and Pennington is quite an argument you have constructed. LOL.
You can’t be fucking serious.
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You can’t be fucking serious.
The problem is you are serious in the arguments you make defending your guy.
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Fouts, Tua, Pennington all flow together...in the view of a guy who thinks Fields is a starting QB...
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Can we trust Reddit?!
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Can’t trust Reddit, but can trust reporter no one’s ever heard of.
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Can’t trust Reddit, but can trust reporter no one’s ever heard of.
Except all the people aggregating the reporter's take who say he is known for his NFL connections!
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I’m known for my NFL connections.
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I’m known for my NFL connections.
Is Adam Hoge an NFL connection?
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When will you fools start trusting content from ThePAThey?
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What about your boy Roquan? You cried multiple times about the Bears trading him. If Montez let that happen you’d be all over him!
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When will you fools start trusting content from ThePAThey?
You might have been wrong about Brock Bowers. His 9 for 98 contributed big time to the win.
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What about your boy Roquan? You cried multiple times about the Bears trading him. If Montez let that happen you’d be all over him!
Superior play design by Getsy. Sometimes you have to give it up to the opposing side.
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Fields hits Pickens on a slant!
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Fields dodges free blitzer for 16 yard gain.
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More TD passes than Caleb. Should have kept Fields!
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More TD passes than Caleb. Should have kept Fields!
Sad part is Tempo actually believes this.
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Fields ends with 117 passing yards on 20 attempts. The same type of performances he was putting up in Chicago.
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Fields ends with 117 passing yards on 20 attempts. The same type of performances he was putting up in Chicago.
Had several big plays called back, and he’s doing what Tomlin and Smith want him to do. They don’t have the OLine or the weapons to air it out.
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Had several big plays called back, and he’s doing what Tomlin and Smith want him to do. They don’t have the OLine or the weapons to air it out.
LOL. News to Pickens and
Freiermuth.
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LOL. News to Pickens and
Freiermuth.
Pickens is pretty good. Freiremuth isn’t exceptional. He’s a guy, as you guys like to say. Nothing Freiermuth has done in his career says he’s a top level player.
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Pickens is pretty good. Freiremuth isn’t exceptional. He’s a guy, as you guys like to say. Nothing Freiermuth has done in his career says he’s a top level player.
We all know Fields needs top level players around him to succeed.
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Fields ends with 117 passing yards on 20 attempts. The same type of performances he was putting up in Chicago.
Yep. He is a game manager. Won't let him throw over the middle because he can't, or won't, read defenses.
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Fields ends with 117 passing yards on 20 attempts. The same type of performances he was putting up in Chicago.
Yes but this was against the Juggernaut that is the Broncos.
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We all know Fields needs top level players around him to succeed.
Yeah, Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce, Andy Reid, and multiple pro-bowl linemen have had nothing to do with Patrick Mahome’s success.
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Yes but this was against the Juggernaut that is the Broncos.
Do you even watch pro football? I’m betting it’s close between you and Robb.
Tomlin knows his Oline and WRs suck. So he isn’t going to throw much up 13 points on an impotent offense like Denver. It’s football 101, Chief.
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Yep. He is a game manager. Won't let him throw over the middle because he can't, or won't, read defenses.
Looks spread out fairly evenly. With most throws going to the left, which are the hardest throws.
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But yes, he is a game manager; because that’s absolutely what Tomlin wants. He and Arthur Smith want to run the ball, run clock, and win with defense. Everything about their history supports this.
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Interesting…
https://x.com/modelosports/status/1835489187413238147?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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multiple pro-bowl linemen
Guess the Chief know something that Poles does not.
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Do you even watch pro football? I’m betting it’s close between you and Robb.
Tomlin knows his Oline and WRs suck. So he isn’t going to throw much up 13 points on an impotent offense like Denver. It’s football 101, Chief.
JFC you are a meathead. How do you type with Fields' dick out of your mouth?
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Looks spread out fairly evenly. With most throws going to the left, which are the hardest throws.
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Hilarious. Man are you the meatiest of meatheads.
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But yes, he is a game manager; because that’s absolutely what Tomlin wants. He and Arthur Smith want to run the ball, run clock, and win with defense. Everything about their history supports this.
Because that is what they have to do because Fields sucks. This is not a chicken or the egg thing. They know the kid sucks.
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Guess the Chief know something that Poles does not.
Allegedly Ryan Poles built their OL.
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Interesting…
https://x.com/modelosports/status/1835489187413238147?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I noticed him shaking too when he was calling the end of the game drive, probably too many energy drinks lol
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Allegedly Ryan Poles built their OL.
Sounds like "Nagy is the Chief OC"
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Doh!
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Fields broke Getsy. Hope Fields gets traded to the Raider.
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Lol
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The Twitter comments on Getsy are fucking hilarious. Too many to screenshot.
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Fields STILL ruining Getsy’s reputation!
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Fields STILL ruining Getsy’s reputation!
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Yep. Fields should have gone there. He would be playing and gotten Getsy fired instead of Minshew.
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Always someone else’s fault with Getsy first fans!
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Always someone else’s fault with Getsy first fans!
He should have gone to a better team like Fields.
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https://www.raidersbeat.com/insider-notes-biggest-issue-that-led-to-the-raiders-firing-luke-getsy/
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And just as I said at the time, Getsy got the Raiders job because he thought Getsy would get him the ball.
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I’d say Getsy will never be an NFL coordinator again, but if John Shoop can get a 2nd chance Getsy can maybe…get a 3rd.
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Getsy probably working hard at Packer OTAs.
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I’m sure.
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Getsy > Waldron.
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Getsy > Waldron.
As you love to say, taller midget. Getsy didn’t last 10 games in Vegas.
The run game you gave him so much credit for in Chicago was easily the worst in the league while he was in Vegas. They were the worst running team in the league by like 20 yards per game.
Tempo34, exposing ThePAMan’s hypocrisy since 2019.
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Caleb had far superior weapons to Fields. Fields had basically the same line but less experienced.
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Caleb had far superior weapons to Fields. Fields had basically the same line but less experienced.
LOL Fields didn't have Waldron not coaching him. Which he would have loved. Again, you completely ignore Fields' being benched last year in Pittsburgh. Excuses forthcoming I am sure.
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As you love to say, taller midget. Getsy didn’t last 10 games in Vegas.
The run game you gave him so much credit for in Chicago was easily the worst in the league while he was in Vegas. They were the worst running team in the league by like 20 yards per game.
Tempo34, exposing ThePAMan’s hypocrisy since 2019.
There is no hypocrisy only inconvenient, for you, facts. Getsy sucked. Waldron was somehow worse. That's the fact, Jack.
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Caleb had far superior weapons to Fields. Fields had basically the same line but less experienced.
He had a line that couldn't pass or run block. May as well have kept Getsy if all Your Guy Eberlose was going to do was hire Waldron.
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The run game you gave him so much credit for in Chicago was easily the worst in the league while he was in Vegas. They were the worst running team in the league by like 20 yards per game.
Because Vegas didn't have a wingback.
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LOL Fields didn't have Waldron not coaching him. Which he would have loved. Again, you completely ignore Fields' being benched last year in Pittsburgh. Excuses forthcoming I am sure.
Benched for a future HOFer who was the declared starter before the season. And you completely ignore that Pittsburgh wanted Fields back to be the starter this year.
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Because Vegas didn't have a wingback.
He literally says it was Getsy (the reason the Bears had a good run game). You’re basically supporting my case.
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He had a line that couldn't pass or run block. May as well have kept Getsy if all Your Guy Eberlose was going to do was hire Waldron.
He had essentially the same line Justin had, only more experienced. The only difference was they upgraded the center position for Caleb. The other dudes were the same.
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Getsy sucked.
And yet you have consistently for 3 years blamed Justin Fields for Getsy’s failings (it’s literally in the thread title). That’s the fact, Jack.
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As usual, PAMan arguing out of both sides of his mouth.
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He had a line that couldn't pass or run block. May as well have kept Getsy if all Your Guy Eberlose was going to do was hire Waldron.
Getsy sucked. That’s why they canned him. The problem is they replaced him with another Trace Armstrong nitwit. No one did better (on a personal level) with the Bears from 2022-2024 than Trace Armstrong did. He was our shadow president.
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And you completely ignore that Pittsburgh wanted Fields back to be the starter this year.
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He literally says it was Getsy (the reason the Bears had a good run game). You’re basically supporting my case.
I don't think it's the case that you think Fields is a wingback
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Yes, Fields told them no thanks. That’s how that works. He was not under contract so he took the Jets offer.
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I don't think it's the case that you think Fields is a wingback
The argument has been that Justin Fields was a huge component of the Bears successful run game. That’s it. That’s been a debate for two years. PAMan (absurdly) credits Getsy for the run game success.
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The same Getsy who presided over the Raiders pathetic run game and was fired before even Shane Waldron.
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The argument has been that Justin Fields was a huge component of the Bears successful run game. That’s it. That’s been a debate for two years. PAMan (absurdly) credits Getsy for the run game success.
Getsy must have been calling the plays tho because we were told that Fields didn't.
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Getsy must have been calling the plays tho because we were told that Fields didn't.
This isn’t 1976. Almost no quarterbacks call plays anymore. Im not even sure Brady did.
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Exactly what I thought.
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I think Peyton did. He’s probably the only quarterback in 30 years to call his own plays.
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Yes, Fields told them no thanks. That’s how that works. He was not under contract so he took the Jets offer.
He didn't want to be a Pittsburgh bench warmer again
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Getsy must have been calling the plays tho because we were told that Fields didn't.
How come his play-calling in Vegas sucked so bad? If he can perform miracles in Chicago, why not there?
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He didn't want to be a Pittsburgh bench warmer again
They wanted him back as the starter.
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Bad enough to sign him to a 5 year deal? Probably not. But he could have gotten a two year deal to be starter. He told them to pound sand.
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Exactly what I thought.
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Exactly what everybody knows is more like it. The OC calls the plays and the qb has audibles available. A qb who has trouble reading defenses and making quick decisions isn't going to call many audibles.
I assumed that "he doesn't call the plays" meant that Fields couldn't call an audible.
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How come his play-calling in Vegas sucked so bad? If he can perform miracles in Chicago, why not there?
The Vegas qb's aren't wingbacks. Getsy was 50 years late. He'd have been fine at Texas or Oklahoma and Southwest Conference football.
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Well he was like 23 when he was here, so probably not that polished at calling audibles. Not many are at that age.
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His first year as a starter here he literally had the worst collective talent at OL/WR in the league. And in over their heads rookie OC and HC. Not too many will thrive in that scenario, and yet the offense was still pretty competent most games. And yes, largely because of Justin’s legs.
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He had essentially the same line Justin had, only more experienced. The only difference was they upgraded the center position for Caleb. The other dudes were the same.
And yet they couldn't pass or run block under Waldron. Hmmmm
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His first year as a starter here he literally had the worst collective talent at OL/WR in the league. And in over their heads rookie OC and HC. Not too many will thrive in that scenario, and yet the offense was still pretty competent most games. And yes, largely because of Justin’s legs.
Pretty competent? LOL
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They wanted him back as the starter.
After Russ said no and Rodgers said whatever. LOL. He was an afterthought.
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Well he was like 23 when he was here, so probably not that polished at calling audibles. Not many are at that age.
They weren't letting him call them in Pittsburgh either because he is a dolt.
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And yet you have consistently for 3 years blamed Justin Fields for Getsy’s failings (it’s literally in the thread title). That’s the fact, Jack.
Both can be true
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And yet they couldn't pass or run block under Waldron. Hmmmm
Hmmmmm
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Both can be true
Both sidesing it again, you’re never wrong!
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Both can be true
Either Getsy sucked, or Fields ruined his reputation. It can’t be both.
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Either Getsy sucked, or Fields ruined his reputation. It can’t be both.
Yes, it can.
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Yes, it can.
It cannot. Logic says that Getsy sucked, or Fields ruined (him) his reputation. It literally cannot be both. You have to choose one. Even though I know you won’t.
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It cannot. Logic says that Getsy sucked, or Fields ruined (him) his reputation. It literally cannot be both. You have to choose one. Even though I know you won’t.
Yes it can be both. I know things like this are hard for you People who suck at their job can actually have good reputations. This is why the same guys keep getting hired as NFL coaches, GMs, consultants. Sorry, not sorry that you can't figure stuff like this out.
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It cannot be both. Either Getsy sucked, or Fields ruined him (which you said a couple of days ago). It literally cannot be both. You can’t blame Fields for ruining Getsy and also claim that “Getsy sucked.”
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Getsy sucked and Fields drove the final nail in Getsy's coffin
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Getsy sucked and Fields drove the final nail in Getsy's coffin
Wouldn’t the final nail be in Vegas? Where there was no Justin Fields to blame? You guys are flailing.
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I’ll bet Brady saw how worthless he was and insisted he be fired.
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Mm is capable of nuanced thinking. Tempo, as we know, only talks about nuanced thinking but doesn't actually practice it.
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Mm is capable of nuanced thinking. Tempo, as we know, only talks about nuanced thinking but doesn't actually practice it.
Lol yeah right. Twisting yourself in knots trying to win the argument with your nonsense. Either Getsy was good and Fields ruined his reputation, or Getsy sucked (you said so yourself). It literally cannot be both. Both can suck, sure, but then in that case it wasn’t Fields’ fault for Getsy’s failures. It was his own fault (for sucking). You still haven’t explained how Getsy went from run game genius to worst in the league by 20 yards in one season.
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Lol yeah right. Twisting yourself in knots trying to win the argument with your nonsense. Either Getsy was good and Fields ruined his reputation, or Getsy sucked (you said so yourself). It literally cannot be both. Both can suck, sure, but then in that case it wasn’t Fields’ fault for Getsy’s failures. It was his own fault (for sucking). You still haven’t explained how Getsy went from run game genius to worst in the league by 20 yards in one season.
As has been explained on multiple levels, yes it can be both.
He apparently did not have a better run blocking line like he did in Chicago!
I am sure Getsy is thinking it would have been nice to be an OC on a team with an actual QB.
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It literally cannot be both. They can both suck, that is possible. But Fields is not to blame for Getsy’s failures if Getsy himself also sucks. This is like 2nd grade logic, and you aren’t getting it.
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As has been explained on multiple levels, yes it can be both.
He apparently did not have a better run blocking line like he did in Chicago!
I am sure Getsy is thinking it would have been nice to be an OC on a team with an actual QB.
APPARENTLY. LOL
Sometimes (often) your points are just woefully sad and ill-reasoned.
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APPARENTLY. LOL
Sometimes (often) your points are just woefully sad and ill-reasoned.
You would not know reasoning if it smacked across your face!
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It literally cannot be both. They can both suck, that is possible. But Fields is not to blame for Getsy’s failures if Getsy himself also sucks. This is like 2nd grade logic, and you aren’t getting it.
It literally can be both. Which is why the same morons still provide head coach consulting services for teams despite supporting one stupid hire after another.
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It literally cannot be both. If Getsy sucked as you say he did, then it’s his own fault he failed. He failed miserably in Vegas, too. That’s why he was fired after 7 games.
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And fired twice in less than a calendar year. It’s ridiculous to say Fields ruined Getsy if Getsy himself sucked.
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He sucks and his reputation was ruined by Fields.
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It literally can be both. Which is why the same morons still provide head coach consulting services for teams despite supporting one stupid hire after another.
The coaching ranks are a country club. Often times it’s not what you know, it’s who you know.
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And in our case everyone knew Trace Armstrong.
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If only he had a decent QB to coach, maybe he can resurrect his career.
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The coaching ranks are a country club. Often times it’s not what you know, it’s who you know.
And if you suck, but have a good reputation you get rehired into a decent position. Fields took care of that here.
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If only he had a decent QB to coach, maybe he can resurrect his career.
It’s going to be hard, but he’ll have to get away from GB likely. He has two things working for him (and one is a double-edged sword). He’s still young, and Matt LaFleur. Since Matt LaFleur actually runs the offense Getsy will likely have to spend a couple years under a highly successful Packer offense to even get a look. And he probably doesn’t get that look unless he’s promoted to OC. Right now he’s a “senior assistant (aka Matt’s friend).”
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It’s going to be hard, but he’ll have to get away from GB likely. He has two things working for him (and one is a double-edged sword). He’s still young, and Matt LaFleur. Since Matt LaFleur actually runs the offense Getsy will likely have to spend a couple years under a highly successful Packer offense to even get a look. And he probably doesn’t get that look unless he’s promoted to OC. Right now he’s a “senior assistant (aka Matt’s friend).”
I am hoping his suck permeates the Packer offense, personally. Then he can go coach Fields again in the CFL