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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: frankiew on May 12, 2023, 01:05:53 PM
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with UCLA and USC joining how will schedules look
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Dear Illini Nation,
I have been working hard on campus this week, setting up both Krannert and Memorial Stadium, since Sunday morning, for graduation. (I am scheduled to work straight through until tear down, ending at 9pm this Sunday.)
Two days ago, I was approached privately and told that 6 of my hours have been cut, and I was BANNED from working the ceremony at Memorial Stadium. When I asked why, I was told I was on “The Chancellor’s List”. When I asked why I was on such a list, I was told they “don’t know why”.
Now, I understand that work hours are not guaranteed for reasons such as weather, workload, and other such unforeseeable circumstances, but I’m pretty darn sure that my being Native and advocating for the Chief ON MY OWN TIME isn’t a valid reason for workplace discrimination/retaliation. I find it rather sickening that I am good enough to bolt together the stage that the Chancellor will be standing on, but I am not good enough to be seen around other people, just because the Chancellor doesn’t like my race and my culture. (I have no other connection to him whatsoever.)
I’d like to know if anyone else has faced this at the University, or knows someone who has. Because this is NOT OK AT ALL. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s illegal.
File a lawsuit…
In between shits of course and not on company time.
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I agree with JJ on this one. Maybe try and get a photo of Prof Kaufman in tribal garb.
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Sounds like a lawsuit that would be tossed in about 4 seconds.
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As far as discrimination at U of I? Yes, I’m 1000% sure it’s happened. Ask Stephen Bardo.
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Jasn88Cub's First Amendment rights sound like they are being violated!
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Jasn88Cub's First Amendment rights sound like they are being violated!
If he can deal with that gas this has to be a breeze! (Pun or no pun intended)
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Jassn, start a GoFundMe so you can retain counsel. I will throw in a couple of bucks. Maybe you can convince Erika Harold (hubba hubba) to stop sending me emails on lawyer civility and get back into a court room. I think she did First Amendment stuff.
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Jassn, start a GoFundMe so you can retain counsel. I will throw in a couple of bucks. Maybe you can convince Erika Harold (hubba hubba) to stop sending me emails on lawyer civility and get back into a court room. I think she did First Amendment stuff.
Fervent conservative. What a waste of damn good looking woman.
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Fervent conservative. What a waste of damn good looking woman.
Is she a Trumper?
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Is she a Trumper?
I knew you were a Bob Dole Republican…
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I knew you were a Bob Dole Republican…
He was hard working. And good at math.
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Fervent conservative. What a waste of damn good looking woman.
At least she doesn’t talk football
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Nothing triggers liberals more than black conservatives
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Just ask Herschel Walker.
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At least she doesn’t talk football
How can you be sure?
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Just ask Herschel Walker.
Lol
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We’re drawing Marquette at home in the Gavitt games.
Shaka in Champaign is finally a reality! :D
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We’re drawing Marquette at home in the Gavitt games.
Shaka in Champaign is finally a reality! :D
Hopefully he doesn't get profiled.
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Hopefully he doesn't get profiled.
Or raped by Tempo…
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He should avoid Paxton.
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Or raped by Tempo…
Beat me to it
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“Hilarious.”
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It is all OK. Lunardi currently has Illinois as one of his Last 4 In!
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-2024-march-madness-men-field-predictions
ON THE BUBBLE
LAST FOUR BYES
Auburn
Florida
Providence
Virginia
LAST FOUR IN
Illinois
Ohio State
Memphis
Boise State
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It is all OK. Lunardi currently has Illinois as one of his Last 4 In!
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-2024-march-madness-men-field-predictions
ON THE BUBBLE
LAST FOUR BYES
Auburn
Florida
Providence
Virginia
LAST FOUR IN
Illinois
Ohio State
Memphis
Boise State
Right where national relevant programs should be!
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Right where national relevant programs should be!
It means it is going to be a SUCCESSFUL season, right?
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It means it is going to be a SUCCESSFUL season, right?
I have higher expectations then sneaking in the tourney. Last season , to me, was NOT successful compared to what was expected
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I have higher expectations then sneaking in the tourney. Last season , to me, was NOT successful compared to what was expected
Why do you cheer for a failing program?
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They would not have Illinois play tO$U, right? So predict the scores against Memphis and Boise State now.
I have Illinois beating Boise State 64-62 (Illini win on Free Shots), but losing to Memphis 76-61 (Illini go cold from 3).
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well I ain't gonna be no band-wagoner
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Trying to dunk on your favorite program because the worst bracketologist has them barely in the tournament before their roster is close to set and months before the season starts is perfect for you guys.
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Trying to dunk on your favorite program because the worst bracketologist has them barely in the tournament before their roster is close to set and months before the season starts is perfect for you guys.
All you had to say is "It is only May."
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All you had to say is "It is only May."
What does that even mean?! Huh?! What?!
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What does that even mean?! Huh?! What?!
LOL.
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It is all OK. Lunardi currently has Illinois as one of his Last 4 In!
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-2024-march-madness-men-field-predictions
ON THE BUBBLE
LAST FOUR BYES
Auburn
Florida
Providence
Virginia
LAST FOUR IN
Illinois
Ohio State
Memphis
Boise State
Does Lunardi know that it’s only May?
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All you had to say is "It is only May."
Damn, you beat me to it.
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Trying to dunk on your favorite program because the worst bracketologist has them barely in the tournament before their roster is close to set and months before the season starts is perfect for you guys.
I get it, but it’s not the least bit disappointing to you that entering the summer Underwood is still trying to put together the nucleus of an obvious tourney team? I realize it’s sort of related to the times we are in, but I don’t think the better programs are counting on last minute transfers to bolster their tourney hopes.
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I get it, but it’s not the least bit disappointing to you that entering the summer Underwood is still trying to put together the nucleus of an obvious tourney team? I realize it’s sort of related to the times we are in, but I don’t think the better programs are counting on last minute transfers to bolster their tourney hopes.
I think we will know a lot about the reasonable expectations for this team 10 days from now, and know very little about them right now.
We're not just waiting on transfers. We're waiting on, for example, a first team all-conference guy, and another starter also.
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Oakland added to the schedule.
No not the A’s. The program Kendrick Nunn transferred to after pulling a Mike Clevinger.
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https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2023-06-02/bracketology-ncaa-mens-basketball-tournament-projections-after-nba-draft-early
5 seed!
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I think that's fair but these things are way harder to judge with transferpalooza now. Those rankings are relying a bit too much on last year by putting Rutgers and NU where they do.
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https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2023-06-02/bracketology-ncaa-mens-basketball-tournament-projections-after-nba-draft-early
5 seed!
I wanna be in the Purdue bracket.
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Right now our major non con opponets are
Tenn and Mizzou oh and Marquette
do we try to get 1 more
Maybe Florida? I'd like that matchup
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Can't link it, but Lumbardi has an Illinois as a 5 seed in his latest projections.
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Can't link it, but Lumbardi has an Illinois as a 5 seed in his latest projections.
It’s June…
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Illinois MTE with Valparaiso, WIU & SIU, Nov 17-25
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Monday Nov 27 against Colgate
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Monday Nov 27 against Colgate
Oh man. That’s a for sure L. I would have rather scheduled Crest or Aquafresh.
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I just hope we shoot well from the line those first couple of games.
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I just hope we shoot well from the line those first couple of games.
We have seen that movie before, so I agree.
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None of the home matchhup seem SEXY, maybe Marquette? Are they suppose to be good? It's on a Tuesday though, Not driving the 1 hr 15 to Champaign. Especially a 8pm start possibly. I wouldn't get home close to midnight and I'm a 5am waker upper and that's WITHOUT the Folgers in my cup!
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Apparently Underwood wants to play FAU (who won 30+ games last year and is returning almost every member of their roster) in the Jimmy V Classic. Should be fun
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I much prefer that to scheduling a bunch of cupcakes to rack up wins with a low SOS, personally.
There are probably arguments to be made both directions. If you lose all the big non-con games it obviously doesn't help you much.
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Apparently Underwood wants to play FAU (who won 30+ games last year and is returning almost every member of their roster) in the Jimmy V Classic. Should be fun
FAU is returning pretty much everyone from last years squad. Should be a good test for us.
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I much prefer that to scheduling a bunch of cupcakes to rack up wins with a low SOS, personally.
There are probably arguments to be made both directions. If you lose all the big non-con games it obviously doesn't help you much.
Depends on conference schedule and your place in it....play stronger finish 500 out of conference and run over the conference then you are still good, coming out of the elite conferences.
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FAU is returning pretty much everyone from last years squad. Should be a good test for us.
They will beat our asses in
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Should be a great game between a team with tons of experience and a more talented team with less experience.
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Depends on conference schedule and your place in it....play stronger finish 500 out of conference and run over the conference then you are still good, coming out of the elite conferences.
Which isn't a thing anyone can know when the schedules are made, especially now - hell, we still don't really know what our roster looks like right now in mid-June. Yeah, if we're gonna go 10-8 in conference then sure, try to rack up wins and game a tournament berth. We don't know whether that will happen when the schedules are made though.
In general, unless your team is really young and/or inexperienced, I think we should err on the side of scheduling good non-conference teams.
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Jasn, will that schedule get the squad ready for a B1G Regular Season Championship run?
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Jasn, will that schedule get the squad ready for a B1G Regular Season Championship run?
By my projections I see us finishing 3rd or 4th
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By my projections I see us finishing 3rd or 4th
Because of the non-conference schedule?
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Because of the non-conference schedule?
No. I think teams are stronger
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Who cares? The first 35 games don't matter.
Just chef's kiss logic, I fucking love it. We play 35 games a year but 97% of them are totally immaterial. Only one matters.
Couldn't write that "logic" with a room full of comedy vets.
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Who cares? The first 35 games don't matter.
Just chef's kiss logic, I fucking love it. We play 35 games a year but 97% of them are totally immaterial. Only one matters.
Couldn't write that "logic" with a room full of comedy vets.
They matter for getting into and ready for the tournament. Period.
You have been on a strawman roll lately. Glad to see Fanin call out your bullshit.
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Fanin hasn't made one coherent substantive reply to me yet so it makes perfect sense that you think he's killing it.
Getting into the tournament and getting a good seed to increase the likelihood you go deep, yeah. It's not the given you act like it is, most coaches do not do that consistently. And nobody who's not taken the regular season seriously has ever had success in the tournament, because you can't go far unless you get in. Weird how that works.
Does that mean you won't pay attention and do your silly troll game every second until the season finally matters in the tournament? Maybe there's an upside here?
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Fanin hasn't made one coherent substantive reply to me yet so it makes perfect sense that you think he's killing it.
Getting into the tournament and getting a good seed to increase the likelihood you go deep, yeah. It's not the given you act like it is, most coaches do not do that consistently. And nobody who's not taken the regular season seriously has ever had success in the tournament, because you can't go far unless you get in. Weird how that works.
Does that mean you won't pay attention and do your silly troll game every second until the season finally matters in the tournament? Maybe there's an upside here?
Oh, the Squeaky Jr. line was good.
Who said it was a given? Nice straw. It should be for Illinois, but we all are well aware it isn't.
You are doing yeoman's work lately with the straw construction. Congrats.
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Non Conference will be very telling after all is said and done.
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Oh, the Squeaky Jr. line was good.
Who said it was a given? Nice straw. It should be for Illinois, but we all are well aware it isn't.
You are doing yeoman's work lately with the straw construction. Congrats.
Anyone who wants Underwood fired right now is absolutely taking it as a given.
You're just hoping the next guy can even get us into the tournament consistently, which most coaches cannot (especially now, when they will definitely not inherit much and will have to build completely from scratch).
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Again, I don’t think most fans want Underwood fired. But I think it’s ok not to be completely satisfied.
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Again, I don’t think most fans want Underwood fired. But I think it’s ok not to be completely satisfied.
I'm good with this take. He's not going to be fired anyway. However, it appears he is maybe not happy here for some reason? I don't know.
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Wouldn’t bother me if he’s not happy here. Don’t want him fired. But again, I’m ok moving on. I’m not scared of the idea of having to hire a replacement.
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I’m not scared of the idea of having to hire a replacement.
I'm more concerned about who is doing the hiring. That said, I will admit I am less concerned about it now, than in previous years.
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If he were to leave or be fired, what do you guys think the chances are that we get someone with a comparable resume to what Underwood had when we hired him, or comparable to what he had now?
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If he were to leave or be fired, what do you guys think the chances are that we get someone with a comparable resume to what Underwood had when we hired him, or comparable to what he had now?
What is the timing on the departure?
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What is the timing on the departure?
After a first round tournament loss this year as a 7-11 seed.
One thing is it seems like a lot of people are still thinking this is 10 years ago, when firing or losing your coach still meant the cupboard was as full as he left it. If Underwood leaves or is fired, we will almost certainly have to start from zero. Everyone will leave.
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After a first round tournament loss this year as a 7-11 seed.
One thing is it seems like a lot of people are still thinking this is 10 years ago, when firing or losing your coach still meant the cupboard was as full as he left it. If Underwood leaves or is fired, we will almost certainly have to start from zero. Everyone will leave.
Whether that matters depends on who is left and if anyone cares.
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If he were to leave or be fired, what do you guys think the chances are that we get someone with a comparable resume to what Underwood had when we hired him, or comparable to what he had now?
To respond to your question, at year end, I think it would be someone stronger in potential. Given his age, unsure about how the resumes could be comparable. Don't you think coaches will look at the potential here with the alleged NIL money Illinois has floating around? Illinois has not seen the impact of NIL when hiring a basketball coach yet.
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To respond to your question, at year end, I think it would be someone stronger in potential. Given his age, unsure about how the resumes could be comparable. Don't you think coaches will look at the potential here with the alleged NIL money Illinois has floating around? Illinois has not seen the impact of NIL when hiring a basketball coach yet.
Sure - I mean, I don't think Illinois' resources have ever been the issue. I don't think anyone doubts that Illinois has a huge, great fanbase and that if you're good here it will be an amazing place to coach - and that the administration/boosters will for the most part be willing to pony up the resources you need to do that.
I don't think anyone doubted that when we hired Underwood either though.
I do think some coaches recognize that our fans cut both directions, and are quick to turn on guys even when maybe a little patience is warranted/earned. I think some variation of that notion has been an issue with us in the past. And also, just like in recruiting players, sometimes there's just some unseen force working against you, like a wife not wanting to move to Champaign, etc.
It's kind of like a blue blood or an NBA job in that expectations are very high no matter the context, but Illinois doesn't really have the history or sell of a blue blood. It's not like there was ever a period in our history where we went on a Calipari type run - we've played in two Final Fours since these recruits' grandparents were born, for the most part. Maybe NIL will turn the whole notion of a blueblood on its head though, as you kind of allude to.
I do not think we're likely to pull a Musselman or Miller type hire, regardless of the resources. If we do end up moving on from Underwood, I hope I'm wrong - both guys have shown the ability to win at a high level. I just think it's far more likely we get the next mid-major up and coming guy, which doesn't really have the best track record.
People here sell me like some Underwood worshipper, but really what I am is someone who wants Illinois basketball to succeed. If we move on, I'll move on too - but right now the guy's won 70% of his games in the Big Ten over the last three years. The notion that we'd be considering firing a guy like that, especially given the program he inherited here, is just completely foreign to me.
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Sure - I mean, I don't think Illinois' resources have ever been the issue. I don't think anyone doubts that Illinois has a huge, great fanbase and that if you're good here it will be an amazing place to coach - and that the administration/boosters will for the most part be willing to pony up the resources you need to do that.
I don't think anyone doubted that when we hired Underwood either though.
I do think some coaches recognize that our fans cut both directions, and are quick to turn on guys even when maybe a little patience is warranted/earned. I think some variation of that notion has been an issue with us in the past. And also, just like in recruiting players, sometimes there's just some unseen force working against you, like a wife not wanting to move to Champaign, etc.
It's kind of like a blue blood or an NBA job in that expectations are very high no matter the context, but Illinois doesn't really have the history or sell of a blue blood. It's not like there was ever a period in our history where we went on a Calipari type run - we've played in two Final Fours since these recruits' grandparents were born, for the most part. Maybe NIL will turn the whole notion of a blueblood on its head though, as you kind of allude to.
I do not think we're likely to pull a Musselman or Miller type hire, regardless of the resources. If we do end up moving on from Underwood, I hope I'm wrong - both guys have shown the ability to win at a high level. I just think it's far more likely we get the next mid-major up and coming guy, which doesn't really have the best track record.
People here sell me like some Underwood worshipper, but really what I am is someone who wants Illinois basketball to succeed. If we move on, I'll move on too - but right now the guy's won 70% of his games in the Big Ten over the last three years. The notion that we'd be considering firing a guy like that, especially given the program he inherited here, is just completely foreign to me.
I am not sure I agree on the resources. It took some time to get up to speed on facilities, didn't it? NIL has the potential to make this a whole new ball game though.
I think maybe you are more "content" than a "worshipper" and more concerned about being burned with another Groce or Beckman. I think more often than not the problem was not the person who was hired (but should not have been), but the person doing the hiring.
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So you're saying we need someone who will hire coaches more like Ron Guenther?
;D
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So you're saying we need someone who will hire coaches more like Ron Guenther?
;D
{shudders} You raised a name that should never be printed here in full {shudders}.
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Credit where credit's due - Bill Self was a hell of a pluck for ol' Ronnie.
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Credit where credit's due - Bill Self was a hell of a pluck for ol' Ronnie.
Yes. Didn't do what he needed to do to keep him..neither did the admin from the sounds of things. Imagine how much dough they would be swimming in if Self won a championship had the program rolling. The school would not need to be relying on out of country students to pay the bills.
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Let’s be honest, there wasn’t anything we could have done to keep him once that carousel started turning. Best to let it go. Plenty of other things Lord Guenther actually fucked up to harbor resentment about.
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crazy people still boo self
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Did this evolve into the Underwood thread?
A few things about Brad Underwood. He prefers a fast paced spread offense and half court pressure defense. I think, correct me if I am wrong.
No, they are not gimmicks. But both are apparently challenging to learn, require the right personnel, and maybe not ideally suited to the B1G. So he has gone with a more common high ball screen O and pack line help D. He also tried jump switching which is also not a gimmick, plenty use it. Anyway, he has been flexible in adjusting his system to his personnel.
He also lost his entire assistant coaching staff to poachers a couple years ago, and managed to find quality replacements.
After struggling the first 2 seasons, he has put together 4 straight winning seasons with NCÀA tournament quality teams.
Recruiting has been pretty good, though not yet at the high elite levels of the pre-slush fund, mid-1980s, and Kruger/Self years. There is a lot a blah blah about 2 All Americans. Those earlier teams had multiple High School All Americans and future NBA (or ABA) players. He does have a possible 5 star McD AA committed. Would be our first since Jereme Richmond.
A chief complaint has been the high player turnover. Some ask, is it poor people selection or bad player development?
A lot of it was they took the best players they could get. Kind of like Whitman hired the best BB coach he could get.
Another one is that Brad is too stubborn, despite all the evidence suggesting he is flexible. I suspect that is in part because he won't let boosters run his program. In part because of his energetic coaching style.
Then the postseason stuff that's been debated ad Infinitum.
I am mostly with Spark on this one. Though I am not sure BU is necessarily the best possible man for the job, letting him go now would be tres bad optics. It likely results in a gross replacement, and the loss of current players.
A solid replacement would have to be lined up, and at least Tim Anderson retained..