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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: ILLINICHIEF on April 21, 2023, 04:25:15 PM
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Let's see how long until the mud slinging, homophobic, political name calling, regular name calling etc takes to trainwreck this attempt.... nb!! ??? ;D
Starting off with Guerrier would actually help our frontcourt, wing somewhat. Would take him, but need a PG in the worst way....not sure one is coming.
Rodgers/Guerrier/Goode/Hansberry/Dainja plenty of time to go around.
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Let's see how long until the mud slinging, homophobic, political name calling, regular name calling etc takes to trainwreck this attempt.... nb!! ??? ;D
Starting off with Guerrier would actually help our frontcourt, wing somewhat. Would take him, but need a PG in the worst way....not sure one is coming.
Rodgers/Guerrier/Goode/Hansberry/Dainja plenty of time to go around.
Wait? So you have the word Chief in your username and you’re not homophobic or a political name caller? That’s extremely impressive. Kudos.
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Wait? So you have the word Chief in your username and you’re not homophobic or a political name caller? That’s extremely impressive. Kudos.
thank you, thank you.... ;D
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I will ask it here:
Who in the portal can Illinois get that actually overcomes Underachiever's inability to get the team ready for a Sat/Sun game in The Tourney?
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I will ask it here:
Who in the portal can Illinois get that actually overcomes Underachiever's inability to get the team ready for a Sat/Sun game in The Tourney?
Now here is a very sincere question from the VerySincereMan.
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I will ask it here:
Who in the portal can Illinois get that actually overcomes Underachiever's inability to get the team ready for a Sat/Sun game in The Tourney?
Underwood wants to get old for a reason.
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If they take Guerrier I don’t think Hawkins is coming back.
Guerrier wouldn’t come to his 3rd college in 5 years, at 24 years old, to come off the bench.
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If Georgia can land a guy like RJM being .500 in the SEC we should really be able to find 2-3 more starter level guys. Disappointing that guys like Paveletzke and Battle are going to schools that aren't demonstrably better than Illinois though.
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Not that we can land them, but BUT, if the B1G 2 don't come back with who we already have, and who is in the portal and STILL available:
Cisse
Cleveland
Guerrier
Alexander would be the best that we could get by rankings as of now.
Cisse helps Dainja in a big way....splits minutes
Cleveland is a wannabe, but hasn't proved it consistanatly yet a TSJ 2.0
Guerrier proven older scorer/rebounder/upperclassman
Alexander, possibly the best PG left per rankings so far....Big East experience, Brooklyn NY streetball edge...
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If they take Guerrier I don’t think Hawkins is coming back.
Guerrier wouldn’t come to his 3rd college in 5 years, at 24 years old, to come off the bench.
What you think doesn't mean diddley squat. Just let it play out while the adults discuss what may or may not happen..
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If Georgia can land a guy like RJM being .500 in the SEC we should really be able to find 2-3 more starter level guys. Disappointing that guys like Paveletzke and Battle are going to schools that aren't demonstrably better than Illinois though.
Georgia got Melendez bc their coaching staff recruited him when they were at Florida. They already had a relationship.
I think Domask can replace Melendez.
But it’s a huge drop off going from Epps/Shannon to Harmon/Goode.
And if Hawkins does leave there’s not another big out there that you replace him with. Probably Hansberry gets those minutes. Or Guerrier. It’s going to be a bad team.
It was a bad team this past year with some “star” players. Take the stars away and it will be similar to Nebraska of this year. Just older mediocre spare parts thrown together.
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According to Rostercast, Illinois is currently ranked 40th. Add Guerrier and they're ranked 46th.
Squeaky will love the addition.
https://barttorvik.com/rostercast.php?run=1&team=Illinois&player=Quincy%20Guerrier%3BOregon
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According to Rostercast, Illinois is currently ranked 40th. Add Guerrier and they're ranked 46th.
Squeaky will love the addition.
https://barttorvik.com/rostercast.php?run=1&team=Illinois&player=Quincy%20Guerrier%3BOregon
ILLINI is currently ranked #23 Team recruiting rankings so far this year. Per 24/7 There area4 B1G teams ahead of them so far. MSU/Ohio /St/Maryalnd/Rutgers. This is HS/portal commits to date.
Nate Calmese might be a sneaky pickup for PG. 2nd leading freshman scorer, avg 17.6 points, 2.5 rebounds, and 2.0 assists. 3pt % 37. Lamar player, AZ kid.
Favour Aire previous VT recruit/Maryland H.S. think Egwu possibly at this stage...4 yrs to play. Previous 4*
These two would fill needs, have time to develop, not piss anyone currently on the roster off, and probably help us be better next year. Will either replace Hawk or TSJ....NO, but hell we gotta get some players and a previous 4 star defensive specialist and a freshman player of the year.
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If Georgia can land a guy like RJM being .500 in the SEC we should really be able to find 2-3 more starter level guys. Disappointing that guys like Paveletzke and Battle are going to schools that aren't demonstrably better than Illinois though.
Can’t expect to get good players. We’re basically ASU but without the hot girls.
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Can’t expect to get good players. We’re basically ASU but without the hot girls.
Progress…
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According to Rostercast, Illinois is currently ranked 40th. Add Guerrier and they're ranked 46th.
Squeaky will love the addition.
https://barttorvik.com/rostercast.php?run=1&team=Illinois&player=Quincy%20Guerrier%3BOregon
Torvick overrates transfers. Again last year they started 14th after losing Kofi and finished 50th
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Torvick overrates transfers. Again last year they started 14th after losing Kofi and finished 50th
Just shows the Underwood effect. The team had the talent, but lacked coaching.
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According to rumors, Guerrier to commit soon to Illinois even though WVA wants him to visit, and the belief is he would play starter minutes no matter who comes back or leaves.
Also Indy Illini is now claiming he actually talks directly to Underwood so there is that. LOL. A veteran PG is allegedly in the works, and they want a Big.
I think we have a lot of things to figure out the next few weeks.
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Still waiting for that unicorn PG who will get this team to Sat/Sun in The Tourney.
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Still waiting for that unicorn PG who will get this team to Sat/Sun in The Tourney.
No question you have to have a playmaking lead guard to win games in the tourney.
Who knows what we get, but I am sure they will bring in someone. The only PG on roster is the Italian kid.
No way you can have Harris or Rodgers in that role.
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No question you have to have a playmaking lead guard to win games in the tourney.
Who knows what we get, but I am sure they will bring in someone. The only PG on roster is the Italian kid.
No way you can have Harris or Rodgers in that role.
Whoever it is, Indy already knows.
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Just shows the Underwood effect. The team had the talent, but lacked coaching.
The team had talent on paper. They never quite fit together on the court for a number of reasons.
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The Gibbs-Lawhorn kid is probably a point guard long term, but he won't be ready to play man defense in the fall. He needs time with Adam Fletcher and reportedly knows that.
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Still waiting for that unicorn PG who will get this team to Sat/Sun in The Tourney.
Someone that declared for the draft but has not entered the portal.
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Over 1,000 announced in portal with over 250 committed already.
We have out of the Top rated ones so far, (top 50), 11 are still undecided on colleges, none of the 11 I believe have us recruiting them persay, and none have crystal ball/percentages that show interest in our ILLINI. Out of the 11, 2 C, 2 PG, 1 PF, and the rest SF/SG.
I am starting to wonder if being ranked at (94) currently as far as ranking of portal recruits with HS recruits are starting to show that possibly recruits are either talking about the ILLINI culture, coaching, etc. and making decisions to not attend and play for the ILLINI?
I do realize that we are looking for a specific need PG/C and also holding out for Hawk and TSJ, but no interest indicated even with this point?
I mean we did land arguably the top 1-3 transfer class last year, it didn't bode especially well, as most would agree and actually witnessed on TV as far as cohesiveness.....could this be what is impacting our lack of (star) recruits this year?
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Still waiting for that unicorn PG who will get this team to Sat/Sun in The Tourney.
There were like, a dozen lead guards from small schools that transferred and led their teams past the first round of the tournament.
My guess is if we'd gotten any single one of them, you'd have hated on it.
Not really a way to know until it happens or doesn't. When Kansas State got a 5'7" guard who had shot 34% from the floor and 36% from three with 6 assists and 4 turnovers per game his last year at Arkansas-Little Rock, nobody here was like "he's going to lead them to the Elite 8!"
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There were like, a dozen lead guards from small schools that transferred and led their teams past the first round of the tournament.
My guess is if we'd gotten any single one of them, you'd have hated on it.
Not really a way to know until it happens or doesn't. When Kansas State got a 5'7" guard who had shot 34% from the floor and 36% from three with 6 assists and 4 turnovers per game his last year at Arkansas-Little Rock, nobody here was like "he's going to lead them to the Elite 8!"
I doubt I would know who they are/were to even hate on them. Yet, I somehow won the bracket challenge here despite picking the Illini to win it all. So I have that going for me.
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Not really a way to know until it happens or doesn't. When Kansas State got a 5'7" guard who had shot 34% from the floor and 36% from three with 6 assists and 4 turnovers per game his last year at Arkansas-Little Rock, nobody here was like "he's going to lead them to the Elite 8!"
That’s called an “anomaly”.
And that’s also called new coaching. Counting on the former is foolish, and there’s no new coach here either.
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Over 1,000 announced in portal with over 250 committed already.
We have out of the Top rated ones so far, (top 50), 11 are still undecided on colleges, none of the 11 I believe have us recruiting them persay, and none have crystal ball/percentages that show interest in our ILLINI. Out of the 11, 2 C, 2 PG, 1 PF, and the rest SF/SG.
I am starting to wonder if being ranked at (94) currently as far as ranking of portal recruits with HS recruits are starting to show that possibly recruits are either talking about the ILLINI culture, coaching, etc. and making decisions to not attend and play for the ILLINI?
I do realize that we are looking for a specific need PG/C and also holding out for Hawk and TSJ, but no interest indicated even with this point?
I mean we did land arguably the top 1-3 transfer class last year, it didn't bode especially well, as most would agree and actually witnessed on TV as far as cohesiveness.....could this be what is impacting our lack of (star) recruits this year?
Couple things.
#1. Recruits don’t want to play for Underwood. See how many have left early in their careers. Def reputation could precede Underwood here.
#2. Shannon would have been at Michigan if they had admitted him. Illinois wasn’t his first choice. Generally coveted portal players are going to go to their first choice otherwise they’d stay at their prior schools.
#3. Antigua and Chin are better recruiters than Frazier/Anderson.
It seems the only argument IL fans are trying to tell themselves is “we have a lot of NIL dollars”. That may or may not be true. But other schools have that as well.
I think Illinois is also hurt that the in-state talent is very low compared to prior years. Look what Peoria used to produce. Chicago has far fewer impact players. It’s hard not to be bearish on a mediocre coach trying to gather in talent in a depleted talent state.
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I doubt I would know who they are/were to even hate on them. Yet, I somehow won the bracket challenge here despite picking the Illini to win it all. So I have that going for me.
That's my point.
If we got a guard from a lower-level who could lead us deep in the tourney, you wouldn't even know it. So probably not worth worrying about.
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Couple things.
#1. Recruits don’t want to play for Underwood. See how many have left early in their careers. Def reputation could precede Underwood here.
#2. Shannon would have been at Michigan if they had admitted him. Illinois wasn’t his first choice. Generally coveted portal players are going to go to their first choice otherwise they’d stay at their prior schools.
#3. Antigua and Chin are better recruiters than Frazier/Anderson.
It seems the only argument IL fans are trying to tell themselves is “we have a lot of NIL dollars”. That may or may not be true. But other schools have that as well.
I think Illinois is also hurt that the in-state talent is very low compared to prior years. Look what Peoria used to produce. Chicago has far fewer impact players. It’s hard not to be bearish on a mediocre coach trying to gather in talent in a depleted talent state.
It's impressive, given that no recruits want to play for Underwood, that he's recruited so well - right? Hard not to give him credit if he's gotten all these guys including the first two first team AP All Americans in program history despite nobody wanting to play for him, although I'm sure you'll twist into a pretzel trying to find a way.
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That's my point.
If we got a guard from a lower-level who could lead us deep in the tourney, you wouldn't even know it. So probably not worth worrying about.
I would know that a PG came through the portal. And we would have people here posting how great, or not great, said PG was.
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Wonder why the talent in Illinois has been so down lately.
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Just cyclical stuff, I assume.
Would think, given that, the fact that our coach has recruited nationally and led us to the success he has is pretty impressive, but I doubt that take has much legs on this board.
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Wonder why the talent in Illinois has been so down lately.
Because people are moving out of state!
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Just cyclical stuff, I assume.
Would think, given that, the fact that our coach has recruited nationally and led us to the success he has is pretty impressive, but I doubt that take has much legs on this board.
Kofi Cockburn dragging his ass to some good seasons was very impressive for Kofi. Much props. And props to Antigua for finding him
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It's simply shocking that you'd make the dumbest possible post about it.
It's impressive Kofi even could play at this level given how sure you were that he was slow out of shape and untalented before he got on campus.
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Kofi Cockburn dragging his ass to some good seasons was very impressive for Kofi. Much props. And props to Antigua for finding him
He found a top 50 big? Finding Giorgi on the bench of a private school was more impressive.
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Guerrier committed.
https://twitter.com/quincyguerrier/status/1650605473610235904?t=sMxrepPNbiXap4N21JDYDw&s=19
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It's simply shocking that you'd make the dumbest possible post about it.
It's impressive Kofi even could play at this level given how sure you were that he was slow out of shape and untalented before he got on campus.
He does not think Kofi's contributions, or the staff's coaching of Kofi, counts though.
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Guerrier committed.
https://twitter.com/quincyguerrier/status/1650605473610235904?t=sMxrepPNbiXap4N21JDYDw&s=19
Guy with the moniker "Candyman" has to be good!
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Because people are moving out of state!
Even the basketball players? Man, things really are that bad here.
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Guerrier is going to play for all the schools in his top 3 coming out of HS.
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Even the basketball players? Man, things really are that bad here.
The basketball players have been enrolling at basketball academies. It'll be interesting to see if the St. Rita trio sticks around.
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Guerrier committed.
https://twitter.com/quincyguerrier/status/1650605473610235904?t=sMxrepPNbiXap4N21JDYDw&s=19
Thanks to Dom for saying he wouldn't come here 🤣
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Auburn decommit for 2025. 7’ big man rank 99 in top 100.
https://twitter.com/247hshoops/status/1650618983106723843?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Auburn decommit for 2025. 7’ big man rank 99 in top 100.
https://twitter.com/247hshoops/status/1650618983106723843?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
He is big. Got a few pounds on Kofi.
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Now waiting to see which point guard drops out of the draft, enters the portal, and visits.
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Thanks to Dom for saying he wouldn't come here 🤣
Actually I said he probably would.
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Also, waiting to see if a certain wing and big withdraw from the draft.
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It is not correct to say recruits do not want to play for Underwood.
It is fair to say kids in general tend to seek immediate gratification, would prefer to get something for nothing, tend to overestimate themselves, don't like to be scolded -- especially in front of others, and so on. A good part of coaching is helping them get past that and grow up. Overprotective helicopter parents don't help.
I get the impression it may also be fair to say Underwood has a mom problem. Moms played a big role in the defections of Griffin, Miller, and Epps. Griffin's dad was actually pro-Underwood. I heard his mom despised BU. Ditto Epps's mom.
A few years ago, they had a couple big kids and their dads ready to commit. Then moms stepped in and put their feet down. One of the prospects turned down an Illinois scholarship to be a PWO elsewhere.
Edit: while Gibbs-Lawhorn's mom reportedly has issues, she apparently is expected to be supportive.
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What would Nāgārjuna think of all this stereotyping?
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Actually I said he probably would.
I'm not wading through that 55 page pile of shit thread to find where you said he wouldn't
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I'm not wading through that 55 page pile of shit thread to find where you said he wouldn't
Bc I didn’t. I said he probably would which if he did, means Hawkins is most likely staying in the draft.
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I'm not wading through that 55 page pile of shit thread to find where you said he wouldn't
I don't recall Dom saying would or wouldn't. He specifically said it wouldn't make any sense.
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Hawkins and Shannon are both still undecided. Hawkins is reportedly more likely to stay in the draft because he is a unique talent.
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I get the impression it may also be fair to say Underwood has a mom problem. Moms played a big role in the defections of Griffin, Miller, and Epps. Griffin's dad was actually pro-Underwood. I heard his mom despised BU. Ditto Epps's mom.
I think Dads hate him too.
Ask Mark Smith’s Dad what he thinks of Underwood. Or Paxton Warden’s Dad.
Zach Perrin made it all of like 2 months and bailed. Miller, Epps, Melendez, Podz, Clark.
Brad clearly has problems keeping players, parents and alumni happy. I speak as an alum. I hate Brad.
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I speak as an alum. I hate Brad.
You seem to be a hateful individual with a huge chip on your shoulder.
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You seem to be a hateful individual with a huge chip on your shoulder.
Nope, I think Bielema is doing a great job and Shauna Green also good.
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I think Dads hate him too.
Ask Mark Smith’s Dad what he thinks of Underwood. Or Paxton Warden’s Dad.
I don't think it's fair to say that all moms hate Underwood. There is enough of a pattern to suggest a mom problem.
Paxton Warden's dad made a scene on facebook because Underwood brought in another preferred walkon. Mark Smith's dad is also flakey.
There is no reason to believe Melendez or Podz or their dads have any animosity toward Underwood.
Melton transferred from Illinois and he is still an Illini fan.
Trent Frazier's dad and Griffin's have expressed support for Underwood.
I do not think it's fair at all to say all dads hate Underwood or that he has a dad problem.
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I think Dads hate him too.
Ask Mark Smith’s Dad what he thinks of Underwood. Or Paxton Warden’s Dad.
Zach Perrin made it all of like 2 months and bailed. Miller, Epps, Melendez, Podz, Clark.
Brad clearly has problems keeping players, parents and alumni happy. I speak as an alum. I hate Brad.
They don't count guys who get thrown out as alums, just so you know.
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They don't count guys who get thrown out as alums, just so you know.
My finance degree says I’m an alum. Underwood is an embarrassment for alot of alums including myself. A poor man’s Gene Keady is not something I’ll tolerate. If there was a way to donate to the football program and not to basketball, I’d certainly encourage it.
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Ayo and his family don’t seem to have any issues with Brad.
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My finance degree says I’m an alum. Underwood is an embarrassment for alot of alums including myself. A poor man’s Gene Keady is not something I’ll tolerate. If there was a way to donate to the football program and not to basketball, I’d certainly encourage it.
What might you donate? We would love to hear that story. Your tip money from the drunks last weekend?
You have never donated a dime to anything in your life and nobody gives a fuck if a pedophile cab driver is embarrassed.
If you actually have a finance degree why don't you get an actual job and get out of the flop house?
Or you are not able to clear any background checks?
Just STFU.
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What might you donate?
Nothing.
No Chief
No Check
But for those that don’t care about the Chief or traditions, I’d still think a smart use of funds would be to give money to Bielema and give nothing to Underwood.
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Underwood has daddy issues.
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Nothing.
No Chief
No Check
But for those that don’t care about the Chief or traditions, I’d still think a smart use of funds would be to give money to Bielema and give nothing to Underwood.
Of course you have donated nothing.
You don't have a job you fcktard.
But I am pretty sure they don't need your money, or give a fuck about you.
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My finance degree says I’m an alum. Underwood is an embarrassment for alot of alums including myself. A poor man’s Gene Keady is not something I’ll tolerate. If there was a way to donate to the football program and not to basketball, I’d certainly encourage it.
I assume literally no one believes that you have a finance degree from UIUC. You don’t have to lie, everyone here knows you got thrown out for being a stalker.
Yes, I know you posted a picture you found on the internet of a UIUC degree many years ago.
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I assume literally no one believes that you have a finance degree from UIUC. You don’t have to lie, everyone here knows you got thrown out for being a stalker.
Yes, I know you posted a picture you found on the internet of a UIUC degree many years ago.
https://youtu.be/9CS4THydM0g
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I assume literally no one believes that you have a finance degree from UIUC. You don’t have to lie, everyone here knows you got thrown out for being a stalker.
Yes, I know you posted a picture you found on the internet of a UIUC degree many years ago.
I’m literally part of the alumni association. Even though I don’t contribute anything. Just got this in my email today:
https://i.postimg.cc/J797V9f2/266-DE104-D194-438-A-88-DE-729-C5-C77-C825.png
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I’m literally part of the alumni association. Even though I don’t contribute anything. Just got this in my email today:
https://i.postimg.cc/J797V9f2/266-DE104-D194-438-A-88-DE-729-C5-C77-C825.png
Given the similar reading comprehension issues, Dom = Tempo34 is not far off!
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Alan Griffin disliked Underwood so much he came back for a game last year and met with Brad and hugged him
https://twitter.com/ALionEye/status/1486165911539265537
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Better liked: Brad Underwood, or Santa Claus?
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Better liked: Brad Underwood, or Santa Claus?
Definitely the one you can sit on their lap… right?!
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My finance degree says I’m an alum. Underwood is an embarrassment for alot of alums including myself. A poor man’s Gene Keady is not something I’ll tolerate. If there was a way to donate to the football program and not to basketball, I’d certainly encourage it.
Your parents must be very disappointed. What a waste of money for them.
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What might you donate? We would love to hear that story. Your tip money from the drunks last weekend?
You have never donated a dime to anything in your life and nobody gives a fuck if a pedophile cab driver is embarrassed.
If you actually have a finance degree why don't you get an actual job and get out of the flop house?
Or you are not able to clear any background checks?
Just STFU.
Pretty sure he can't clear background checks.
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Illini drop to 49th in t-rank after the Guerrier addition. Lol. Add the Underwood effect and they're around 70th.
Add Shannon, Hawkins and Tyger, as promised by Indy and they're top 25.
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Definitely the one you can sit on their lap… right?!
his
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Your parents must be very disappointed. What a waste of money for them.
I was on scholarship so didn’t cost them anything
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ASU got the center to go with their guard from LSU....I would bet $$$ that this doesn't end well for any of them.
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I was on scholarship so didn’t cost them anything
What kind of scholarship?
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I was on scholarship so didn’t cost them anything
Why are you driving uber?
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Why are you driving uber?
And using Mint Mobile
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And using Mint Mobile
Lol. Nice catch.
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Underwood has daddy issues.
Wothefukyootokkenabout?
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his
Pronouns…
We don’t know if “it” has a dick or not…
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If your excited for this upcoming season, you really are dedicated
I lost interest
Where's the sweet 16
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If your excited for this upcoming season, you really are dedicated
I lost interest
Where's the sweet 16
You’re
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Alan Griffin disliked Underwood so much he came back for a game last year and met with Brad and hugged him
https://twitter.com/ALionEye/status/1486165911539265537
That is the pattern. Adrian Griffin and Alan Griffin like Underwood. Audrey Sterling [Griffin] allegedly not so much.
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If your excited for this upcoming season, you really are dedicated
I lost interest
Where's the sweet 16
Underwood needs 3 All Americans to make a Sweet 16.
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Illini drop to 49th in t-rank after the Guerrier addition. Lol. Add the Underwood effect and they're around 70th.
Add Shannon, Hawkins and Tyger, as promised by Indy and they're top 25.
Three point guards in the conversation. None in the portal yet. Dominos.
Guerrier has a nice release point on his shot, but then he kind of throws a line drive drive at basket. Add some arch, soften up his touch, and he should be able to improve his percentages. But he has likely heard that.
Looks strong but his length (6-10 wingspan?) is not exceptional.
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Just need a quality Pg and Shannon to come back and we're solid..
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Just need a quality Pg and Shannon to come back and we're solid..
Solid? You just described last years team. And it sucked.
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ASU got the center to go with their guard from LSU....I would bet $$$ that this doesn't end well for any of them.
I read somewhere that ASU and Illinois are comparable basketball programs.
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It's amazing how many people think a 20 win season and a nine seed was a terrible season.
One person at loyalty blamed it on relying on one and done mercenaries.
We had one final year transfer who took A little over 13% of the minutes. First and second year players took over 45%.
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I read somewhere that ASU and Illinois are comparable basketball programs.
Maybe wanna see a I Docta? ;D ;D
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It's amazing how many people think a 20 win season and a nine seed was a terrible season.
One person at loyalty blamed it on relying on one and done mercenaries.
We had one final year transfer who took A little over 13% of the minutes. First and second year players took over 45%.
I don't think the 20 win season is what everyone is upset about (rabid fans aside), it is the apparent lack of success in the tourney each year....I mean an historical program such as the ILLINI should be able to get into a 16 every few years at least right????
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Having an ancient history is nice. We have not been past the round of 32 since the magical 2005 season.
We did not even make the tournament for 6 straight seasons from 2013-2019.
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I was on scholarship so didn’t cost them anything
Your parents must be so proud of you.
Had full scholarship and completed degree from UI.
And now lives with crackheads, drives a cab, and is a convicted pedophile.
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Solid? You just described last years team. And it sucked.
Yeah. We ended up in the NIT.
How did we do, fucktard?
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LKDog is fucking relentless
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Your parents must be so proud of you.
Had full scholarship and completed degree from UI.
And now lives with crackheads, drives a cab, and is a convicted pedophile.
I live in paradise amongst some absolute babes. So yes I’m doing fine. Thank you for your concern.
There are no crack houses in Estero FL. It and Naples are some of the most affluent in the country
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LKDog is fucking relentless
Relentlessly retarded.
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I read somewhere that ASU and Illinois are comparable basketball programs.
The Onion?
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It's amazing how many people think a 20 win season and a nine seed was a terrible season.
One person at loyalty blamed it on relying on one and done mercenaries.
We had one final year transfer who took A little over 13% of the minutes. First and second year players took over 45%.
Last year was not a good year. Especially taking into account expectations.
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Having an ancient history is nice. We have not been past the round of 32 since the magical 2005 season.
We did not even make the tournament for 6 straight seasons from 2013-2019.
So bettering easily the worst 6 year span of most of our lifetimes (and many of us aren't young) is now something we should be pleased with? Last year was largely unwatchable.Anr the results only mildly better.
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I live in paradise amongst some absolute babes. So yes I’m doing fine. Thank you for your concern.
There are no crack houses in Estero FL. It and Naples are some of the most affluent in the country
You live in a flop house you broke delusional piece of shit. Karen already told us that, and that adult women scare the fuck out of you. Unless you count driving by a grade school playground in your cab there are no babes for Squeaky Pedophile.
Now go jackoff to your Kofi poster and the Disney channel in your room.
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So bettering easily the worst 6 year span of most of our lifetimes (and many of us aren't young) is now something we should be pleased with? Last year was largely unwatchable.Anr the results only mildly better.
I mean yes, hiring a new coach and within two years morphing from a team that made the tournament 3 times in a decade to one that made it (or would’ve) four straight years is something most reasonable people would be pleased with.
Our fanbase is largely unreasonable and entitled.
If you were a coach and you knew that the last guy had taken over a bad program, instantly resurrected it, and the entire fanbase turned on him pretty much right away - you’d probably think other schools were pretty appealing. You’re very likely to be fired here no matter how good your results are, unless you make the F4 every year. My guess is if Underwood made the F4 every year but didn’t win the title the same people would want him fired.
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You live in a flop house you broke delusional piece of shit. Karen already told us that, and that adult women scare the fuck out of you. Unless you count driving by a grade school playground in your cab there are no babes for Squeaky Pedophile.
Now go jackoff to your Kofi poster and the Disney channel in your room.
The only thing Dominic lives in is a fantasy world.
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All i heard last year from Brad and the players was "this team is built for March"
and we went 1-3 in March
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Oh the coach talked his team up?
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nb!!
I mean yes, hiring a new coach and within two years morphing from a team that made the tournament 3 times in a decade to one that made it (or would’ve) four straight years is something most reasonable people would be pleased with.
Our fanbase is largely unreasonable and entitled.
If you were a coach and you knew that the last guy had taken over a bad program, instantly resurrected it, and the entire fanbase turned on him pretty much right away - you’d probably think other schools were pretty appealing. You’re very likely to be fired here no matter how good your results are, unless you make the F4 every year. My guess is if Underwood made the F4 every year but didn’t win the title the same people would want him fired.
Illinois is not a bad program. It was a good program under bad leadership. And again, I've never once called for his firing. But last year was bottom of the barrel "acceptable." What I would not call it is a "good year," especially considering the talent and expectations.
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So "stop lying," and "misrepresenting" my position.
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I mean yes, hiring a new coach and within two years morphing from a team that made the tournament 3 times in a decade to one that made it (or would’ve) four straight years is something most reasonable people would be pleased with.
Our fanbase is largely unreasonable and entitled.
If you were a coach and you knew that the last guy had taken over a bad program, instantly resurrected it, and the entire fanbase turned on him pretty much right away - you’d probably think other schools were pretty appealing. You’re very likely to be fired here no matter how good your results are, unless you make the F4 every year. My guess is if Underwood made the F4 every year but didn’t win the title the same people would want him fired.
I think people overall were very positive about the trajectory and results. I especially thought the Covid year team was excellent coaching, adjustments, development, and roster creation. His best work by far anywhere. That was a very good team and I am pretty sure would have made it to second weekend.
The Loyola game, right or wrong, really was a kick in the nuts for the fanbase and a hit for UW and staff.
The next year was solid overall, but the tourney results were again disappointing and the team was not playing well by that time. They were on fumes mentally.
This year was a struggle though we made it in, but again, the tourney was not good, and the year was pretty chaotic managing culture. Nobody thought we could put two games in a row together.
I do not think there is any chance UW is on hot seat right now. I do think if we do not get out of first weekend the next two years, he will be.
And that would be reasonable and most other top tier coaches would understand. He would then be 0-5 here and 0-9 overall getting to second weekend.
I hope we will break through. It will be 19 years since a S16 come next March.
I also think the fact that he was allegedly looking around tells me he will not stay if boosters start bitching too loudly.
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I think people overall were very positive about the trajectory and results. I especially thought the Covid year team was excellent coaching, adjustments, development, and roster creation. His best work by far anywhere. That was a very good team and I am pretty sure would have made it to second weekend.
The Loyola game, right or wrong, really was a kick in the nuts for the fanbase and a hit for UW and staff.
The next year was solid overall, but the tourney results were again disappointing and the team was not playing well by that time. They were on fumes mentally.
This year was a struggle though we made it in, but again, the tourney was not good, and the year was pretty chaotic managing culture. Nobody thought we could put two games in a row together.
I do not think there is any chance UW is on hot seat right now. I do think if we do not get out of first weekend the next two years, he will be.
And that would be reasonable and most other top tier coaches would understand. He would then be 0-5 here and 0-9 overall getting to second weekend.
I hope we will break through. It will be 19 years since a S16 come next March.
I also think the fact that he was allegedly looking around tells me he will not stay if boosters start bitching too loudly.
I don't blame him.
Nobody would be thrilled if they took a job, completely rebuilt the position from a mediocre-or-worse situation to a much better, every-year-success type situation, and the narrative is "this guy fucking sucks".
Anyone would be looking around in that situation.
Like put yourself in those shoes. You took a position as head of a firm that's the 50th or 60th best in the country over the last decade and a half. Within three years, you've built that into a firm that's consistently ranked in the top-25 or -30 yearly. The narrative in the firm is, "this guy is a clown, he fucking sucks." Are you really super excited to stick around and keep busting your ass for those people?" I wouldn't be, that's for sure.
I'm not nearly naive enough to believe that if we made the S16 people would stop whining about Underwood either - surely you recognize that? The goalposts will move the second we make the S16.
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So "stop lying," and "misrepresenting" my position.
Incapable of honest discussion still. Some things never change.
YOU made the poll about Underwood being fired. Remind me what it said?
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I don't blame him.
Nobody would be thrilled if they took a job, completely rebuilt the position from a mediocre-or-worse situation to a much better, every-year-success type situation, and the narrative is "this guy fucking sucks".
Anyone would be looking around in that situation.
Like put yourself in those shoes. You took a position as head of a firm that's the 50th or 60th best in the country over the last decade and a half. Within three years, you've built that into a firm that's consistently ranked in the top-25 or -30 yearly. The narrative in the firm is, "this guy is a clown, he fucking sucks." Are you really super excited to stick around and keep busting your ass for those people?" I wouldn't be, that's for sure.
I'm not nearly naive enough to believe that if we made the S16 people would stop whining about Underwood either - surely you recognize that? The goalposts will move the second we make the S16.
I think that if/when he breaks through to a S16, majority of people will be fine. If he calms down a little bit on sidelines, even better.
Consistently making the tourney most years and an occasional S16 would be great for the majority of people.
He will retire here if he can achieve that.
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Message boards are a terrible place to take the pulse of a fan base.
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I think that if/when he breaks through to a S16, majority of people will be fine. If he calms down a little bit on sidelines, even better.
Consistently making the tourney most years and an occasional S16 would be great for the majority of people.
He will retire here if he can achieve that.
Wow. Hard to believe you actually believe that honestly.
There’s zero doubt in my mind that the second he makes the S16, the narrative will be “sure but can he do it every year?” In fact, didn’t you already lay out a scenario at one point where he made the E8 next year and you still weren’t in?
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Last year was not a good year. Especially taking into account expectations.
Last year was similar to Webers last 3 years. And that level got him fired. But now people like Sparky, LK, and Nichi think it’s fine.
Being better than terrible is not an acceptable bar.
Whitman needs to hold the basketball program to the standards that he expected out of and got out of Bielema. That is = immense improvement. Simply being a little better than Lovie/Beckman/Zook wasn’t gonna cut it. Neither is being “a little better” than Groce
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Message boards are a terrible place to take the pulse of a fan base.
yeah only fanatics on them
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It was similar to one of Weber’s last three years.
A year we made the tournament without being on the bubble isn’t similar to a year we didn’t make the tournament at all to anyone with even moderate intelligence.
Weber would not have been fired if he’d made the tournament four straight years, rather than two of five.
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nb!!
Illinois is not a bad program. It was a good program under bad leadership. And again, I've never once called for his firing. But last year was bottom of the barrel "acceptable." What I would not call it is a "good year," especially considering the talent and expectations.
Sparky wanted Weber fired for results that he praises Underwood for. That’s all you need to know.
Anyone that felt Weber should have been fired after 2012 (or earlier) should absolutely want Underwood gone after his 6 seasons too.
Sparky did say he’s be fine firing Underwood after he goes 17-15 or worse this year which he without a doubt will
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The grown ups are talking Dom.
Will be excited to see what nonsense you come up with to pretend your claim they Illinois will “without a doubt” be 17-15 or worse this year was actually right. Hey, you can probably just re-use the nonsense you used this year right?
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Weber would not have been fired if he’d made the tournament four straight years, rather than two of five.
Making the tourney is not a bar for keeping your job. The standard is higher than that.
You get the program you tolerate.
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The grown ups are talking Dom.
Will be excited to see what nonsense you come up with to pretend your claim they Illinois will “without a doubt” be 17-15 or worse this year was actually right. Hey, you can probably just re-use the nonsense you used this year right?
TrentReynolds you won’t be here anyway. But I’m sure Nichi will report back what you are saying on Scout.
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Making the tourney is not a bar for keeping your job. The standard is higher than that.
You get the program you tolerate.
At least this is tacit acknowledgement that the idea that a four year stretch where we have a tournament team every year and a four year stretch where we miss it twice arent the same. Obviously you’re a beta pussy so you’ll never say “I was wrong” but still, nice to see you at least know you’re wrong.
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TrentReynolds you won’t be here anyway. But I’m sure Nichi will report back what you are saying on Scout.
Maybe so, because I’m an adult and don’t Welch on every bet like a fourth grader.
You’ll obviously be here no matter what happens with Shannon, because you’re an awful person who can’t keep his word or be honest about literally anything.
I’m perfectly comfortable with that setup.
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I will also say, if you don’t “tolerate” a coach taking over a trainwreck and making them a nationally relevant tournament team every year, you’re going to end up with only shittty coaches wanting to coach for you. Which obviously would be ideal for Dom, which is why he’s pushing it, but everyone else here is a lot smarter than him.
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At least this is tacit acknowledgement that the idea that a four year stretch where we have a tournament team every year and a four year stretch where we miss it twice arent the same. Obviously you’re a beta pussy so you’ll never say “I was wrong” but still, nice to see you at least know you’re wrong.
3 of those years are never gonna matter again bc he’s never gonna get another Kofi.
It’s just like Dale Brown with Shaq. Post Shaq, he was mediocre. Wonder why?
Underwood had a mediocre season with Jawun Evans
Underwood had one TERRIBLE season with Ayo.
Underwood had a mediocre season with Shannon.
And when Underwood has 0 NBA picks on his team, like the 2016-17 Illini, you get one of the worst teams of all time - which is why I am very bearish on this years team.
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You’re bearish on the team for the same reason you’ve been bearish on every Illini team for 20 years - because they kicked you out for being a stalker.
I’m sure no one finds it funnier than you that you can argue openly against Illinois Basketball’s best interest for 20 years and actual idiot Illinois fans still agree with you.
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So "stop lying," and "misrepresenting" my position.
And, Spark, don't @ him with pictures of blonde babes with guns and no dicks!
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3 of those years are never gonna matter again bc he’s never gonna get another Kofi.
It’s just like Dale Brown with Shaq. Post Shaq, he was mediocre. Wonder why?
Underwood had a mediocre season with Jawun Evans
Underwood had one TERRIBLE season with Ayo.
Underwood had a mediocre season with Shannon.
And when Underwood has 0 NBA picks on his team, like the 2016-17 Illini, you get one of the worst teams of all time - which is why I am very bearish on this years team.
Just STFU.
Still waiting for the Illinois NIT results idiot.
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Are there really that many Illini fans calling for Underachiever's head? I tend to doubt it.
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You’re bearish on the team for the same reason you’ve been bearish on every Illini team for 20 years - because they kicked you out for being a stalker.
I’m sure no one finds it funnier than you that you can argue openly against Illinois Basketball’s best interest for 20 years and actual idiot Illinois fans still agree with you.
Nope, I’m actually a big Illinois football fan now that Bret Bielema is coach (which I recommended before he was even higher).
I will support success. I will not support mediocrity
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Are there really that many Illini fans calling for Underachiever's head? I tend to doubt it.
There might be, there might not be. But other than Tempo and Dom, who knows ?
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Nope, I’m actually a big Illinois football fan now that Bret Bielema is coach (which I recommended before he was even higher).
I will support success. I will not support mediocrity
This is the part where, were the situations reversed, you would play meathead and point out that Bret Bielema is 13-12 in two years at Illinois, pretty close to definitional mediocrity.
If Bielema takes us to four straight bowl games after a couple decades of mediocrity, that'd be fantastic. Underwood already got us there (ignoring that more teams make bowl games than the tournament) and he gets shat all over every time he's mentioned here.
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Are there really that many Illini fans calling for Underachiever's head? I tend to doubt it.
Quite a few, yes. And many, many more including most of this board who talk about him like they wouldn't let him coach their 7th grade daughter's team.
Lots of very, very basketball stupid people out there. Led by our very own Dom, the most basketball stupid person on the Internet.
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Nope, I’m actually a big Illinois football fan now that Bret Bielema is coach (which I recommended before he was even higher).
I will support success. I will not support mediocrity
NIT Squeaky talking about success is absolutely hilarious. A loser living in a shithole driving a cab making $15,000 a year who can't get a job because of a pedophile criminal conviction.
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I think people overall were very positive about the trajectory and results. I especially thought the Covid year team was excellent coaching, adjustments, development, and roster creation. His best work by far anywhere. That was a very good team and I am pretty sure would have made it to second weekend.
The Loyola game, right or wrong, really was a kick in the nuts for the fanbase and a hit for UW and staff.
The next year was solid overall, but the tourney results were again disappointing and the team was not playing well by that time. They were on fumes mentally.
This year was a struggle though we made it in, but again, the tourney was not good, and the year was pretty chaotic managing culture. Nobody thought we could put two games in a row together.
I do not think there is any chance UW is on hot seat right now. I do think if we do not get out of first weekend the next two years, he will be.
And that would be reasonable and most other top tier coaches would understand. He would then be 0-5 here and 0-9 overall getting to second weekend.
I hope we will break through. It will be 19 years since a S16 come next March.
I also think the fact that he was allegedly looking around tells me he will not stay if boosters start bitching too loudly.
*chef’s kiss*
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Incapable of honest discussion still. Some things never change.
YOU made the poll about Underwood being fired. Remind me what it said?
I made that poll trying to get a pulse of what the board was. I even fucking said I wasn’t looking to have him fired. Even I was surprised by the result. So again, “stop lying” about MY position.
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This is the part where, were the situations reversed, you would play meathead and point out that Bret Bielema is 13-12 in two years at Illinois, pretty close to definitional mediocrity.
If Bielema takes us to four straight bowl games after a couple decades of mediocrity, that'd be fantastic. Underwood already got us there (ignoring that more teams make bowl games than the tournament) and he gets shat all over every time he's mentioned here.
Bielema winning 9 Big 10 games in his first 2 years makes him on par with Bill Self.
Plus Bielema already went to 3 Rose Bowls at Wisconsin. He’s clearly an elite elite college football coach.
Underwood is nowhere close to that.
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I think that if/when he breaks through to a S16, majority of people will be fine. If he calms down a little bit on sidelines, even better.
Consistently making the tourney most years and an occasional S16 would be great for the majority of people.
He will retire here if he can achieve that.
Agreed.
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Message boards are a terrible place to take the pulse of a fan base.
Wow, I think Jobu just said something insightful. I may need some air here.
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Last year was similar to Webers last 3 years. And that level got him fired. But now people like Sparky, LK, and Nichi think it’s fine.
Being better than terrible is not an acceptable bar.
Whitman needs to hold the basketball program to the standards that he expected out of and got out of Bielema. That is = immense improvement. Simply being a little better than Lovie/Beckman/Zook wasn’t gonna cut it. Neither is being “a little better” than Groce
I think this was a pretty good post until the last sentence. Underwood has been better than Groce by miles. Even last year.
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But agreed. We should not be comparing ourselves to our worst years. We should be comparing ourselves to the mid 90s at the very worst.
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Sparky wanted Weber fired for results that he praises Underwood for. That’s all you need to know.
Anyone that felt Weber should have been fired after 2012 (or earlier) should absolutely want Underwood gone after his 6 seasons too.
Sparky did say he’s be fine firing Underwood after he goes 17-15 or worse this year which he without a doubt will
The day we lost to Ohio State and missed the tourney in 2010 was the very last straw for me.
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I will also say, if you don’t “tolerate” a coach taking over a trainwreck and making them a nationally relevant tournament team every year, you’re going to end up with only shittty coaches wanting to coach for you. Which obviously would be ideal for Dom, which is why he’s pushing it, but everyone else here is a lot smarter than him.
But were we “relevant” this year? I went into that Arkansas game with almost no expectation we’d win. And about 90% sure we’d get pantsed.
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But agreed. We should not be comparing ourselves to our worst years. We should be comparing ourselves to the mid 90s at the very worst.
Lou Henson was pushed out for where the program currently is with Underwood.
Same with the end of Weber.
This past years level has always been a fireable level.
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There might be, there might not be. But other than Tempo and Dom, who knows ?
Idiot.
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This is the part where, were the situations reversed, you would play meathead and point out that Bret Bielema is 13-12 in two years at Illinois, pretty close to definitional mediocrity.
If Bielema takes us to four straight bowl games after a couple decades of mediocrity, that'd be fantastic. Underwood already got us there (ignoring that more teams make bowl games than the tournament) and he gets shat all over every time he's mentioned here.
I think you are mostly right here. But at the same time, Illinois IS/has been a bad football program. Illinois is not historically a bad basketball program. Underwood is a competent coach. Can/could we do better? Probably. For the 60th time, I am not calling for him to be fired. That’s ridiculous at this point.
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Lou Henson was pushed out for where the program currently is with Underwood.
Same with the end of Weber.
This past years level has always been a fireable level.
“Is” might be strong. “Trending” might be more accurate.
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Quite a few, yes. And many, many more including most of this board who talk about him like they wouldn't let him coach their 7th grade daughter's team.
Lots of very, very basketball stupid people out there. Led by our very own Dom, the most basketball stupid person on the Internet.
Honestly, though…I wouldn’t want a grown man yelling at my daughter like that…
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That one was tongue in cheek, folks…
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This past years level has always been a fireable level.
Jesus you are a fucking moron.
Just STFU.
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Jesus you are a fucking moron.
Just STFU.
Yeah, that’s a bridge too far (what he said).
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Calling someone a moron and STFU are perfectly fine btw (for here). PAMan may find it offensive, though.
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2-12 vs Q1. Doesn’t get much worse than that
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As LKDog pointed out. Multiple years of not getting to at least the round of 32 gets him on the hot seat. One disappointing year shouldn’t.
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2-12 vs Q1. Doesn’t get much worse than that
I think this is one of your better arguments. It’s not good. At all.
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RayJ Dennis in the portal. Loyalty has him locked in as our new PG.
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NIT Squeaky talking about success is absolutely hilarious. A loser living in a shithole driving a cab making $15,000 a year who can't get a job because of a pedophile criminal conviction.
Will lmao when Squeaky's vehicle no longer runs and he needs to invest in a different vehicle so he can keep ubering.
He'll likely need to cancel his Mint Mobile account to handle car payments. Am assuming Squeaky Sr will need to cosign on the car loan.
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Underwood has been coach for 6 years with no Sweet 16's. Could care less that the program sucked when he took over for Groce. 6 years is plenty of time to turn things around.
The 2023-24 needs TSJ and Hawkins back, along with an impact pg transfer, for any chance at a Sweet 16 run.
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TrentReynolds you won’t be here anyway. But I’m sure Nichi will report back what you are saying on Scout.
Nichi has not read anything at 247 in a long time. He can barely wade through loyalty..
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Calling someone a moron and STFU are perfectly fine btw (for here). PAMan may find it offensive, though.
You may find this shocking, but Lkdog hates Dom. Not that anyone "likes" him.
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Underwood has been coach for 6 years with no Sweet 16's. Could care less that the program sucked when he took over for Groce. 6 years is plenty of time to turn things around.
The 2023-24 needs TSJ and Hawkins back, along with an impact pg transfer, for any chance at a Sweet 16 run.
Dude, we were “lucky” a decent coach even talked to us in 2017. WtF…
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Dude, we were “lucky” a decent coach even talked to us in 2017. WtF…
Why wouldn't a decent coach want to talk to a program of our caliber; i.e., ahead of ASU?
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You may find this shocking, but Lkdog hates Dom. Not that anyone "likes" him.
Yes, I gathered that. I just know how sensitive you are to that type of thing…
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Yes, I gathered that. I just know who sensitive you are to that type of thing…
I do not think he cares what Dom thinks.
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Why wouldn't a decent coach want to talk to a program of our caliber; i.e., ahead of ASU?
Refer to Spark here. He apparently knows more than I do.
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I do not think he cares what Dom thinks.
Huh? I just didn’t want to see you offended by the name calling. I know that sort of thing really bothers you.
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RayJ Dennis in the portal. Loyalty has him locked in as our new PG.
Hey Dom, he gonna be an Illini this year?!
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I do not think he cares what Dom thinks.
Would you like some victimhood points too ?
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Are there really that many Illini fans calling for Underachiever's head? I tend to doubt it.
Some are questioning the strategy of getting old via the portal. Some of them actually think that is what he did last season.
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Some are questioning the strategy of getting old via the portal. Some of them actually think that is what he did last season.
And had 3 freshmen combo guards to play pg
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Huh? I just didn’t want to see you offended by the name calling. I know that sort of thing really bothers you.
Again with the strawman construction.
Smitty assignment: An ad for strawman construction services by Tempo34 (no dick in the mouth picture needed).
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I don’t mind bringing in transfers for obvious needs, but I hope 4th/5th year transfers isn’t the new norm.
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Would you like some victimhood points too ?
Yes, I can use the pity points.
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Again with the strawman construction.
Smitty assignment: An ad for strawman construction services by Tempo34 (no dick in the mouth picture needed).
I just know how offended you are by the use of the words dimwit and disphit. Just wanted to be sensitive to your sensitivity.
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I made that poll trying to get a pulse of what the board was. I even fucking said I wasn’t looking to have him fired. Even I was surprised by the result. So again, “stop lying” about MY position.
are you claiming I said you wanted him fired? I didn’t.
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I just know how offended you are by the use of the words dimwit and disphit. Just wanted to be sensitive to your sensitivity.
I do not believe "offended" is the right word. "Excuse" to ratchet up the rhetoric in response to said words may be more apropos. I recall you getting all huffy when the retorts heated up in response to said use of words.
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Underwood has been coach for 6 years with no Sweet 16's. Could care less that the program sucked when he took over for Groce. 6 years is plenty of time to turn things around.
The 2023-24 needs TSJ and Hawkins back, along with an impact pg transfer, for any chance at a Sweet 16 run.
By any reasonable accounting, he has turned us around. There’s no way around that objective fact.
I’m nowhere near naive enough to think that a S16 would change the tone of people who literally can’t even acknowledge that he turned us completely around from a complete after thought who missed the tournament more than they made it to a nationally relevant every year tournament type program. Obviously you will just move the goalposts.
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are you claiming I said you wanted him fired? I didn’t.
Incapable of honest discussion still. Some things never change.
YOU made the poll about Underwood being fired. Remind me what it said?
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But agreed. We should not be comparing ourselves to our worst years. We should be comparing ourselves to the mid 90s at the very worst.
To be fair, Underwood should be compared to what he inherited.
That is what separates Henson, Kruger, and Self. They left the program in better shape than they found it. The program declined under Weber, and got even worse under Groce's direction. So far, Underwood has not only done better than Groce, he has done better than what Weber left.
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RayJ officially in the portal....lead PG on the way?
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So no?
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So no?
Does not look that way to me. But, then again, I regularly appear to not understand that Tempo's typed words might mean something other than their dictionary definitions.
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RayJ officially in the portal....lead PG on the way?
Dom said it won't happen.
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Dude, we were “lucky” a decent coach even talked to us in 2017. WtF…
Cmon.
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are you claiming I said you wanted him fired? I didn’t.
Not exactly. But you use the expression a lot when responding to me.
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Not exactly. But you use the expression a lot when responding to me.
"Not exactly. But..."? This is classic.
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"Not exactly. But..."? This is classic.
Throw it on the pile.
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Not exactly. But you use the expression a lot when responding to me.
But never, you know, in reference to you.
Is English not your first language or something?
You know I'm not saying you want Underwood fired. I've never said that, because you've made it clear you don't (you'd just be okay if he left).
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Yes, I’d be ok if he left. I think you’d also take issue with it if I constantly responded to you using terms or actions you’ve not advocated for.
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Yes, I’d be ok if he left. I think you’d also take issue with it if I constantly responded to you using terms or actions you’ve not advocated for.
Are you advocating he ignore you?! Do you want him banned?!
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Yes, I’d be ok if he left. I think you’d also take issue with it if I constantly responded to you using terms or actions you’ve not advocated for.
If you replied to me and discussed "the fans who want Underwood fired", it'd be really fucking weird for me to assume you were talking ABOUT me just because you were talking TO me.
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Are you advocating he ignore you?! Do you want him banned?!
This lady's still mad that I pointed out when she said she'd violently assault a trans woman for daring to enter the same bathroom as her daughter.
Unreal.
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Is English not your first language or something?
Now, this might be a good question to have answered.
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This lady's still mad that I pointed out when she said she'd violently assault a trans woman for daring to enter the same bathroom as her daughter.
Unreal.
I am?! 🤔
Well that went WAY over your smarty pants head…
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Is English not your first language or something?
Now, this might be a good question to have answered.
Still waiting for an answer. (Another Tempo meme in action...)
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Yeah, mhm, over my head. That's it.
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Dom said it won't happen.
If he doesn’t stay in the NBA draft, then I doubt he ends up at Illinois either. Another guy on his 3rd college in 5 years. He should have better offers than Illinois to pick from. The only connection he has to Illinois is he’s from Oswego.
So no I doubt it.
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Are you advocating he ignore you?! Do you want him banned?!
Weird comment, but kind of funny.
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I'm sure when RayJ commits there'll be some dumb reason Truth was actually right, if you just pretend.
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Still waiting for an answer. (Another Tempo meme in action...)
I'll hang up and listen
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So bettering easily the worst 6 year span of most of our lifetimes (and many of us aren't young) is now something we should be pleased with? Last year was largely unwatchable.Anr the results only mildly better.
This is the quote that drew the (most recent) “fans want him fired” rant.” All I said was that last year wasn’t very acceptable. A disappointing year every now and then is “acceptable.” And then I think you ranted about firing him for not making the Final Four or every year or something. Maybe scale back the strawmen is what I’m saying.
Just sent the bat signal to PAMan.
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This is the quote that drew the (most recent) “fans want him fired” rant.” All I said was that last year wasn’t very acceptable. A disappointing year every now and then is “acceptable.” And then I think you ranted about firing him for not making the Final Four or every year or something. Maybe scale back the strawmen is what I’m saying.
Just sent the bat signal to PAMan.
Sheesh.
"Scale back the strawmen," he says because he totally misinterpreted a post made TO him as a post made ABOUT him.
There isn't any bigger strawman in this discussion than "spark says Tempo wants Underwood fired". I didn't say or imply that, and if you read that in any of my posts that's on you, not me. I was pretty damn clear.
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This is the quote that drew the (most recent) “fans want him fired” rant.” All I said was that last year wasn’t very acceptable. A disappointing year every now and then is “acceptable.” And then I think you ranted about firing him for not making the Final Four or every year or something. Maybe scale back the strawmen is what I’m saying.
Just sent the bat signal to PAMan.
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, lol. You are losing it.
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I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, lol. You are losing it.
And it is fabulous.
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Okerrrr…
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I don't think Hawkins is as crucial as TSJ. Gurrier pretty much replaces Hawkins. And damosk is better than Meyer.
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I'm sure when RayJ commits there'll be some dumb reason Truth was actually right, if you just pretend.
If RayJ and TSJ join the current roster I think it was #11 per Torvik I heard. That was Piper.
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Not all that worried about the preseason Torvik rating myself, but I suppose I'd rather it be higher than lower.
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How accurate has this The Torvik been historically?
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If you were a coach and you knew that the last guy had taken over a bad program, instantly resurrected it, and the entire fanbase turned on him pretty much right away - you’d probably think other schools were pretty appealing. You’re very likely to be fired here no matter how good your results are, unless you make the F4 every year. My guess is if Underwood made the F4 every year but didn’t win the title the same people would want him fired.
You don’t think this is greatly exaggerated? We’ve fired two coaches in my lifetime (or since Henson anyway). Both were fired after multiple tournament misses.
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What’s a Torvik?
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You don’t think this is greatly exaggerated? We’ve fired two coaches in my lifetime (or since Henson anyway). Both were fired after multiple tournament misses.
I don't think it's exaggerated, no. And it's definitely not accusing you of wanting him fired in ANY way, which is what you originally claimed.
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What’s a Torvik?
It's a fun site for college basketball nerds with analytics and tools where you can, as he alluded to, 'hypothetically' add guys you're recruiting to the roster to see how it affects your metrics/rankings.
So you can go in, look at our rankings right now, then add RayJ and TSJ to see what we "would" be if both guys end up on the roster. Think Torvik currently has us 35-40, and those two would move us up to 11 according to Piper, via JRock.
His metrics aren't terrible, and it's definitely fun to play around with. I don't think any single metric is the end-all though. I do think Torvik and KenPom (the two most notable holistic CBB metrics) both do a reasonably good, but not perfect, job separating how good a team really is from who they play etc.
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What’s a Torvik?
A small Norway town with special rain coats.
I like the orange one myself...https://sioen-ppc.com/en/protective-clothing/torvik, :-*
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And people accuse us of wasting our time here.
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A small Norway town with special rain coats.
I like the orange one myself...https://sioen-ppc.com/en/protective-clothing/torvik, :-*
They look nice.
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It's a fun site for college basketball nerds with analytics and tools where you can, as he alluded to, 'hypothetically' add guys you're recruiting to the roster to see how it affects your metrics/rankings.
So you can go in, look at our rankings right now, then add RayJ and TSJ to see what we "would" be if both guys end up on the roster. Think Torvik currently has us 35-40, and those two would move us up to 11 according to Piper, via JRock.
His metrics aren't terrible, and it's definitely fun to play around with. I don't think any single metric is the end-all though. I do think Torvik and KenPom (the two most notable holistic CBB metrics) both do a reasonably good, but not perfect, job separating how good a team really is from who they play etc.
So basically, what you’re saying here, is that Tempo wants Underwood fired.
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I don't think it's exaggerated, no. And it's definitely not accusing you of wanting him fired in ANY way, which is what you originally claimed.
Again, I just wish you’d stop ranting about “people wanting him fired” in specific responses to me after I criticize him. It’s happened numerous occasions. People can be unhappy with some of the results and not be wanting his head.
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We can be unhappy about how this year went and not want him fired.
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I just feel like if i kept responding to you with a position you haven’t taken, you’d be like “Hey man, don’t do that.”
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It's a fun site for college basketball nerds with analytics and tools where you can, as he alluded to, 'hypothetically' add guys you're recruiting to the roster to see how it affects your metrics/rankings.
So you can go in, look at our rankings right now, then add RayJ and TSJ to see what we "would" be if both guys end up on the roster. Think Torvik currently has us 35-40, and those two would move us up to 11 according to Piper, via JRock.
His metrics aren't terrible, and it's definitely fun to play around with. I don't think any single metric is the end-all though. I do think Torvik and KenPom (the two most notable holistic CBB metrics) both do a reasonably good, but not perfect, job separating how good a team really is from who they play etc.
The same Torvik that ranked Illinois #14 last year preseason based on their roster.
Finished 50th.
It’s all moot bc Shannon ain’t coming back anyway
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A small Norway town with special rain coats.
I like the orange one myself...https://sioen-ppc.com/en/protective-clothing/torvik, :-*
If only the United States had the same demographics as Norway…all our problems would be gone.
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The things Illinois fans will convince themselves of to try to feel positive about this trainwreck…
Let’s take 3 mid-major players, and then add in a mediocre PF from another college, and then let’s put them altogether for exactly 8 months to see if they can gel as a team. Then next year they are all gone and do it over again.
Underwood is basically running a JUCO program. That’s how JUCOs operate. Thrown together teams each year.
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It would be great here if most of us were Norwegian Lutherans? Why not Swedish or Danish Lutherans? Or Germans?
Right wing racists have told me we can't have social democracy here because we have too much racial and ethnic diversity.
I do think it makes it more challenging, because it can aggravate greed, selfishness, jealousy, and envy. We don't mind so much our tax dollars helping those who look and talk like us and go to our church. But we don't like helping the micks, wops, polacks, spicks, papists, darkies, nips, chinks, a-rabs, red dots ...
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The things Illinois fans will convince themselves of to try to feel positive about this trainwreck…
Let’s take 3 mid-major players, and then add in a mediocre PF from another college, and then let’s put them altogether for exactly 8 months to see if they can gel as a team. Then next year they are all gone and do it over again.
Underwood is basically running a JUCO program. That’s how JUCOs operate. Thrown together teams each year.
Yeah nobody should hang banners for a 9 seed one and done but calling it a trainwreck is just asinine. Which of course is nothing out of the ordinary coming from you.
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Yeah nobody should hang banners for a 9 seed one and done but calling it a trainwreck is just asinine. Which of course is nothing out of the ordinary coming from you.
When a 9 seed one and done is the peak performance for this type of team building, it’s a trainwreck.
It’s JUCO basketball. In JUCO, it’s common for players to bounce from JUCO to JUCO and each season is a completely different roster/team.
It reminds me of when Tim Beckman tried to bring in a bunch of JUCOs. It didn’t work bc college sports takes more than throwing together a group of guys for 1 season. Especially if they are role players anyway
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By any reasonable accounting, he has turned us around. There’s no way around that objective fact.
I’m nowhere near naive enough to think that a S16 would change the tone of people who literally can’t even acknowledge that he turned us completely around from a complete after thought who missed the tournament more than they made it to a nationally relevant every year tournament type program. Obviously you will just move the goalposts.
Isn't illinois a top 20 program historically?
Sorry but I expect more than getting into the tourney.
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And people accuse us of wasting our time here.
Ok that’s funny…
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So basically, what you’re saying here, is that Tempo wants Underwood fired.
Not directly. Just lumping me in to that crowd…
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If only the United States had the same demographics as Norway…all our problems would be gone.
Wow; that’s is uh, quite racist.
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Isn't illinois a top 20 program historically?
Sorry but I expect more than getting into the tourney.
No better than ASU historically. Same program essentially.
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We don't mind so much our tax dollars helping those who look and talk like us and go to our church. But we don't like helping the micks, wops, polacks, spicks, papists, darkies, nips, chinks, a-rabs, red dots ...
Wow, that’s racist…
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Right wing racists have told me we can't have social democracy here because we have too much racial and ethnic diversity.
Violent Crime Rate:
Nigeria: 121.83 (murder rate per million people)
Norway: 5.93 (murder rate per million people)
Please explain why Nigeria is 20x violent place than Norway.
I’ll give you a hint.
It starts with “BL” and ends with “ACK PEOPLE”
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Violent Crime Rate:
Nigeria: 121.83 (murder rate per million people)
Norway: 5.93 (murder rate per million people)
Please explain why Nigeria is 20x violent place than Norway.
I’ll give you a hint.
It starts with “BL” and ends with “ACK PEOPLE”
Poverty? Colonialist history maybe? Lack of resources? Corrupt government?
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Please explain why Nigeria is 20x violent place than Norway.
I’ll give you a hint.
It starts with “BL” and ends with “ACK PEOPLE”
Hey guys, I’m beginning to suspect Dom doesn’t care much for black people.
Which is odd given his love for basketball.
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I just feel like if i kept responding to you with a position you haven’t taken, you’d be like “Hey man, don’t do that.”
Again, if you responded to my posts and mentioned 'fans that want Underwood fired', there's simply no way I'd think you meant me.
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Hey guys, I’m beginning to suspect Dom doesn’t care much for black people.
Which is odd given his love for basketball.
Gee, Tempo, do you think so?
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Wow, that’s racist…
You think?
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When a 9 seed one and done is the peak performance for this type of team building, it’s a trainwreck.
It’s JUCO basketball. In JUCO, it’s common for players to bounce from JUCO to JUCO and each season is a completely different roster/team.
It reminds me of when Tim Beckman tried to bring in a bunch of JUCOs. It didn’t work bc college sports takes more than throwing together a group of guys for 1 season. Especially if they are role players anyway
Yeah, it sucked when Mike White did that too. He brought in guys like Dave Wilson, Tony Eason, Oliver Williams...
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Gee, Tempo, do you think so?
Maybe fine tune your sarcasm meter a bit?
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Poverty? Colonialist history maybe? Lack of resources? Corrupt government?
Africa has for more natural resources than any Scandinavian country.
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Violent Crime Rate:
Nigeria: 121.83 (murder rate per million people)
Norway: 5.93 (murder rate per million people)
Please explain why Nigeria is 20x violent place than Norway.
They do have high rates of gun suicides in the Scandinavian countries.
"Norway has some of the world's toughest gun laws. Shotguns and hunting rifles can be purchased following stringent background checks and extensive training. Firearms are seen here primarily as tools for hunting."Oct 6, 2022
'There is a total ban on automatic firearms for civilians, unless they fall into the collector category. Modification of semi-automatic guns into fully automatic without the consent of the police is a felony crime. Handguns have some calibre restrictions."
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If only the United States had the same demographics as Norway…all our problems would be gone.
Here is hoping your next Uber fare is this guy. He is in Florida.
Her cuts Uber drivers up and puts them in garbage bags. Have a nice night picking up drunks you racist white trash piece of shit.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/us/uber-eats-driver-killed-holiday-florida/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/us/uber-eats-driver-killed-holiday-florida/index.html)
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I admire the depth of Lkdog's hatred.
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Hey guys, I’m beginning to suspect Dom doesn’t care much for black people.
Which is odd given his love for basketball.
It is really odd considering he is obviously a latent homosexual who jacks off to his Kofi poster in his room every night.
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I admire the depth of Lkdog's hatred.
Just taking out the trash.
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Nigeria had a murder rate of 9.85 per 100,000 population in 2015.In 2016, the homicide rate per 100.000 inhabitants was 34.5.
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Now who is fucking up this thread? This is why mom says we can't have nice things.
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Nigeria had a murder rate of 9.85 per 100,000 population in 2015.In 2016, the homicide rate per 100.000 inhabitants was 34.5.
I think you pulled those stats from Cairo.....Illinois that is. 8)
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It is really odd considering he is obviously a latent homosexual who jacks off to his Kofi poster in his room every night.
I had this one growing up....
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5yAAAOSwpLNX8dFR/s-l1600.jpg
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Squeaky's mad the most adult blacks make a lot more money than he does.
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One crystal ball picking RayJ to transfer to Illinois.
https://247sports.com/Player/RayJ-Dennis-46057677/
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RayJ, TSJ and Hawkins gets Illinois up to 16 in T-rank and also causes Squeaky's head to explode. It's a longshot but would love to see Squeaky wrong as usual.
Probably another 8-9 seed team after Underwood coaches the down though. :)
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Africa has for more natural resources than any Scandinavian country.
But who’s benefitting? Likely the powers that be that are leftover from colonization.
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RayJ, TSJ and Hawkins gets Illinois up to 16 in T-rank and also causes Squeaky's head to explode. It's a longshot but would love to see Squeaky wrong as usual.
Probably another 8-9 seed team after Underwood coaches the down though. :)
I remember when Rayj made that video with Kim Kardashian.
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I remember when Rayj made that video with Kim Kardashian.
Another reason why Squeaky hates blacks.
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But who’s benefitting? Likely the powers that be that are leftover from colonization.
Without colonialism Africans would still be living in mud huts and eating dirt cookies
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Without colonialism Africans would still be living in mud huts and eating dirt cookies
Maybe still fighting with spears and swords instead of rocket launchers and automatic rifles?
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Without colonialism Africans would still be living in mud huts and eating dirt cookies
Lol
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One crystal ball picking RayJ to transfer to Illinois.
https://247sports.com/Player/RayJ-Dennis-46057677/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKupo_Lb0J8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKupo_Lb0J8)
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Isn't illinois a top 20 program historically?
Sorry but I expect more than getting into the tourney.
Yep. And when he makes the S16, that won’t be enough either.
The guy simply can’t win with our fanbase, no matter how much he wins. Doesn’t matter.
It’s frankly probably over for Underwood here. I can’t think of a time a coach overcame this sort of fan sentiment. I just think it’s a shame we finally got a good coach after a couple decades and our idiot fans want to run him off.
Note: Tempo, I don’t mean you.
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Yep. And when he makes the S16, that won’t be enough either.
The guy simply can’t win with our fanbase, no matter how much he wins. Doesn’t matter.
It’s frankly probably over for Underwood here. I can’t think of a time a coach overcame this sort of fan sentiment. I just think it’s a shame we finally got a good coach after a couple decades and our idiot fans want to run him off.
Note: Tempo, I don’t mean you.
It would be nice to make the S16 and see what happens. Of course, that would require Underachiever actually making the S16 first.
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Yep. And when he makes the S16, that won’t be enough either.
The guy simply can’t win with our fanbase, no matter how much he wins. Doesn’t matter.
It’s frankly probably over for Underwood here. I can’t think of a time a coach overcame this sort of fan sentiment. I just think it’s a shame we finally got a good coach after a couple decades and our idiot fans want to run him off.
Note: Tempo, I don’t mean you.
I don't think the general fan base overall is screaming for his head at all.
Look at the Loyalty board.
They love him.
I think he is only in real trouble if he misses tourney next two years.
Minor trouble and could move on if no S16 in next two years.
I don't think this board is representative of anything.
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RayJ, TSJ and Hawkins gets Illinois up to 16 in T-rank and also causes Squeaky's head to explode. It's a longshot but would love to see Squeaky wrong as usual.
Probably another 8-9 seed team after Underwood coaches the down though. :)
IF...IF that were to happen, a starting lineup of:
PG RayJ -
SG Harmon
SF TSJ
PF Guerrier
C/PF Hawk
Backup is:
Harris/Gibbs-Lawhorn-Moretti at guards
Rodgers/Goode/Domask/Hansberry at forwards
Dainja/Hansberry at center (non positional lineup will win out)
This starting lineup would be better than last years, all 5 positions can score, 4 of the 5 can facilitate, and 3-4 can be go to players IF...IF they play together.
If Hawk and TSJ don't return, then 2 more recruits will be signed (who knows talent level) and then I think Rodgers or Domask with Dainja start the year.
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Interesting add to the portal:
Parker Braun: Santa Clara is in....once walked on at Mizzou over offers from us and others. Played well at Santa Clara, could be an option if we have 2 more slots open up (Hawk-TSJ) Good shooter, shot blocker, rebounder?
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Interesting add to the portal:
Parker Braun: Santa Clara is in....once walked on at Mizzou over offers from us and others. Played well at Santa Clara, could be an option if we have 2 more slots open up (Hawk-TSJ) Good shooter, shot blocker, rebounder?
Iirc, he and his dad liked the visit and were ready to commit. Mom said no.
I am thinking KU because his brother played there.
Or not..
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Think I’ll just wait to see what the product on the floor looks likes. I’ll give ‘em till Jan. 16th to make any conclusions.
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I don't think this board is representative of anything.
Not even the absurdity of life?
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Not even the absurdity of life?
Excellent point. This board could be a Samuel Beckett play.
“Nothing happens. Nobody comes, nobody goes. It’s awful.”
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Iirc, he and his dad liked the visit and were ready to commit. Mom said no.
I am thinking KU because his brother played there.
Or not..
Most obvious play is Self and Kansas, however they do have many inside players who are freshman/soph's, are trying to get Hunter and guard play with Morris. We will see.
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Don't look now, C. Beard and Ole Miss looks like they are going to run back Texas Tech 2.0....
He is getting a recruiting haul, let's see how this pans out.
https://www.on3.com/college/ole-miss-rebels/basketball/2023/industry-comparison-commits/
Very good players so far and all fit a size/scope need.
Ole Miss
West Virginia
NC State
UNC
These all seem to have the best class' so far through Transfer portal.
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Don't look now, C. Beard and Ole Miss looks like they are going to run back Texas Tech 2.0....
He is getting a recruiting haul, let's see how this pans out.
https://www.on3.com/college/ole-miss-rebels/basketball/2023/industry-comparison-commits/
Very good players so far and all fit a size/scope need.
Robb's book is going to be longer than War and Peace
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Think I’ll just wait to see what the product on the floor looks likes. I’ll give ‘em till Jan. 16th to make any conclusions.
Long way to go here. We have no idea what the roster will look like until June.
I assume it will be competitive and a tournament level team again.
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LKDog took some time off during the season, so we’ll let him slide on missing the reference.
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Yep. And when he makes the S16, that won’t be enough either.
The guy simply can’t win with our fanbase, no matter how much he wins. Doesn’t matter.
It’s frankly probably over for Underwood here. I can’t think of a time a coach overcame this sort of fan sentiment. I just think it’s a shame we finally got a good coach after a couple decades and our idiot fans want to run him off.
Note: Tempo, I don’t mean you.
That's just your opinion man.
Let's see what happens if he ever makes a sweet 16.
How many years are u giving him to make a Sweet 16?
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LKDog took some time off during the season, so we’ll let him slide on missing the reference.
Lol. How could one miss your Free Shot pissing match that is still ongoing.
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Lol. How could one miss your Free Shot pissing match that is still ongoing.
In case you haven't figured it out, Tempo is too insecure to admit when he was wrong.
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In case you haven't figured it out, Tempo is too insecure to admit when he was wrong.
Lol. Hilarious.
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Lol. Hilarious.
Can't admit you were wrong about the Illini Free Shots....
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Can't admit you were wrong about the Illini Free Shots....
SMH
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RayJ, when you committing??
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Over at Loyalty the insiders think it is a lock.
Add him and you take major step to become competitive.
Will need to see who they end up with around him in the end.
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They want to wait so it doesn't look like tampering. If they wait too long; the likes of KU, UK, UNC, Puke might try to get involved.
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They want to wait so it doesn't look like tampering. If they wait too long; the likes of KU, UK, UNC, Puke might try to get involved.
That is Loyalty drama bullshit. I can't recall any situations of note at end of season since the no sit rule that anyone has been cited for tampering.
In fact I can't recall any tampering cases of note, but could be wrong.
Iowa bitched about Frederich going to UK. That was just whining. Nothing came of it.
A kid can talk to whoever he wants via intermediaries.
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It makes sense to avoid the optics of tampering.
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He has been in the portal officially for four days.
We can do whatever we want. We can have the collective drive up with a truckload of money.
And I am sure there was communication well before then.
Nobody gives a fuck about this.
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WELCOME RAYJ!!!
https://www.on3.com/db/rayj-dennis-98937/
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WELCOME RAYJ!!!
https://www.on3.com/db/rayj-dennis-98937/
We might wait until he makes it official.
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We might wait until he makes it official.
It says 100%. Can't get more than 100%, can you? Do you want 110%?
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We might wait until he makes it official.
Officially a Buzz Kill..... ;D ;D ;D
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https://armchairillini.com/illinois-basketball-portal-preview-rayj-dennis/
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Alleged backup plan for Hawkins.
https://twitter.com/ThePortalReport/status/1653174928361889795?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1653174928361889795%7Ctwgr%5E05af2f33c63afd6be8e8274e565a92fe6dd874e9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.illinoisloyalty.com%2Fpost%2Fillinois-hoops-recruiting-thread.31297%2Fpage-3
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Alleged backup plan for Hawkins.
https://twitter.com/ThePortalReport/status/1653174928361889795?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1653174928361889795%7Ctwgr%5E05af2f33c63afd6be8e8274e565a92fe6dd874e9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.illinoisloyalty.com%2Fpost%2Fillinois-hoops-recruiting-thread.31297%2Fpage-3
With Harmon already committed, let the recruiting begin. I would love to have this kid with the transfers we have so far.
RayJ
Harmon
Domask
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Harmon and the 7' Bandaogo are both from Utah Valley.
Bandaogo was at Akron for 2 years with Groce.
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Officially a Buzz Kill..... ;D ;D ;D
You welcomed a kid who hasn’t committed.
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You welcomed a kid who hasn’t committed.
Oh but did I?
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You welcomed a kid who hasn’t committed.
IlliniChief likes to think he the cesspool insider.
He was freaking out about the roster a week ago.
There are 1300 guys in the portal and he has mentioned every one so far.
It does appear that actual recruiting analysts think Illinois is a lock for Dennis.
Let's hope they are right.
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IlliniChief likes to think he the cesspool insider.
He was freaking out about the roster a week ago.
There are 1300 guys in the portal and he has mentioned every one so far.
It does appear that actual recruiting analysts think Illinois is a lock for Dennis.
Let's hope they are right.
No I actually don't think I am an insider, don't pay for that crap, hell I don't pay for this crap either thank goodness ;D....I just track the portal daily, because I am a lifelong ILLINI fan like many others. Thanks for letting me occupy some of your time, however you may just want to stick with giving Domfuknik a hard time.
I have not "freaked" out about any roster so far for the ILLINI, there are major holes to fill, and the staff seemed to be filling them. That said if TSJ/Hawk don't come back the picking will be slim...1 more for sure, yes after the RayJ commit officially, and 1 held to mid season for another transfer more than likely. That is/has been BU's strategy in the past.
I think 1300 may be a slight stretch, but no where close to Domfuknic claiming he has been right about every other forecast, hell every forecast... ;D ;D ;D
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No I actually don't think I am an insider, don't pay for that crap, hell I don't pay for this crap either thank goodness ;D....I just track the portal daily, because I am a lifelong ILLINI fan like many others. Thanks for letting me occupy some of your time, however you may just want to stick with giving Domfuknik a hard time.
I have not "freaked" out about any roster so far for the ILLINI, there are major holes to fill, and the staff seemed to be filling them. That said if TSJ/Hawk don't come back the picking will be slim...1 more for sure, yes after the RayJ commit officially, and 1 held to mid season for another transfer more than likely. That is/has been BU's strategy in the past.
I think 1300 may be a slight stretch, but no where close to Domfuknic claiming he has been right about every other forecast, hell every forecast... ;D ;D ;D
Way to stick up for yourself, Chief!
Now, Lkdog chill, he’s no Dom. It appears Dom has made you quite cranky nowadays. 😂
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Oh but did I?
Yes.
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IlliniChief likes to think he the cesspool insider.
He was freaking out about the roster a week ago.
There are 1300 guys in the portal and he has mentioned every one so far.
It does appear that actual recruiting analysts think Illinois is a lock for Dennis.
Let's hope they are right.
I don't doubt that he'll come here at all, but saying 'welcome!' because we got the equivalent of a crystal ball prediction is odd IMO. At least let him commit, even if it's a lock.
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I don't doubt that he'll come here at all, but saying 'welcome!' because we got the equivalent of a crystal ball prediction is odd IMO. At least let him commit, even if it's a lock.
The only thing "odd" on here is how much WE ALL place value to our comments/wishes/dreams/anguish/etc.....at the end of the day....it's a fans message board, that more than likely has ZERO affects on recruits/current players/past players.
Yet somehow we continue with our fandom, our predictions, and so forth....I will continue, as "odd" has it may seem, but RAYJ committing to us 100% is about as much a lock, as Groce and Weber leaving us worst than they found it.
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No I actually don't think I am an insider, don't pay for that crap, hell I don't pay for this crap either thank goodness ;D....I just track the portal daily, because I am a lifelong ILLINI fan like many others. Thanks for letting me occupy some of your time, however you may just want to stick with giving Domfuknik a hard time.
I have not "freaked" out about any roster so far for the ILLINI, there are major holes to fill, and the staff seemed to be filling them. That said if TSJ/Hawk don't come back the picking will be slim...1 more for sure, yes after the RayJ commit officially, and 1 held to mid season for another transfer more than likely. That is/has been BU's strategy in the past.
I think 1300 may be a slight stretch, but no where close to Domfuknic claiming he has been right about every other forecast, hell every forecast... ;D ;D ;D
Actually there are over 1400 in the portal. You should know that if you check it daily.
I am not at all concerned we will not have a competitive roster come November and be capable of making the tourney.
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Actually there are over 1400 in the portal. You should know that if you check it daily.
I am not at all concerned we will not have a competitive roster come November and be capable of making the tourney.
Good to know on the actual count, I do check, I do not count.... ;D, in more ways than one. I think we will be competitive as well, I already stated that with my prediction which I will gladly stand behind unlike others. How competitive that is the Mil$?. With either Hawk/TSJ back, then I would think we should be considered one of the favorites. Indiana is loading up, MSU will always be there, and Rutgers should be good again. That said, the B1G overall will be more level next year, and we will have a tougher schedule as well.
We will make the tourney, a 3 seed in the B1G tourney I would think regardless of players, and a 6 seed in the dance or better.
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The only thing "odd" on here is how much WE ALL place value to our comments/wishes/dreams/anguish/etc.....at the end of the day....it's a fans message board, that more than likely has ZERO affects on recruits/current players/past players.
Yet somehow we continue with our fandom, our predictions, and so forth....I will continue, as "odd" has it may seem, but RAYJ committing to us 100% is about as much a lock, as Groce and Weber leaving us worst than they found it.
Maybe so. But he has not committed to us, so welcoming him is weird as hell. I mean you do you, but welcoming a kid who hasn't committed is weird.
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I concur.
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Maybe so. But he has not committed to us, so welcoming him is weird as hell. I mean you do you, but welcoming a kid who hasn't committed is weird.
:D
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Good to know on the actual count, I do check, I do not count.... ;D, in more ways than one. I think we will be competitive as well, I already stated that with my prediction which I will gladly stand behind unlike others. How competitive that is the Mil$?. With either Hawk/TSJ back, then I would think we should be considered one of the favorites. Indiana is loading up, MSU will always be there, and Rutgers should be good again. That said, the B1G overall will be more level next year, and we will have a tougher schedule as well.
We will make the tourney, a 3 seed in the B1G tourney I would think regardless of players, and a 6 seed in the dance or better.
Kind of hard to be that specific without knowing the roster, nor the other teams rosters we play, and I think you predicted 13-7 in the BIG already also.
Good luck.
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Kind of hard to be that specific without knowing the roster, nor the other teams rosters we play, and I think you predicted 13-7 in the BIG already also.
Good luck.
Only one who knows anything now is Squeaky.
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Kind of hard to be that specific without knowing the roster, nor the other teams rosters we play, and I think you predicted 13-7 in the BIG already also.
Good luck.
sounds about right without looking it back up.
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Only one who knows anything now is Squeaky.
The only thing that moron knows is which tennis moms don't watch their pre-pubescent daughters' Facebook Messengers very closely.
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The only thing that moron knows is which tennis moms don't watch their pre-pubescent daughters' Facebook Messengers very closely.
He's a ball boy now?
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Only one who knows anything now is Squeaky.
ILLINICHIEF is the alternative universe NIT Squeaky.
If we have 13 wins in league we will have 20+ wins easily overall going into BTT and NCAA's.
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Grant Nelson from NDSU and Coleman Hawkins are basically the same player. Hawkins is projected mid to late 2nd round, and Nelson currently isn't projected, although there is smoke there.....
Hawkins needs to return if for no other reason 2024 allows him a much better draft position.
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ILLINICHIEF is the alternative universe NIT Squeaky.
If we have 13 wins in league we will have 20+ wins easily overall going into BTT and NCAA's.
Can't get anything by you can we? ;D
I will stick with my predictions...we will have a veteran team, we will have established bench players, and we will have a tougher schedule vs an overall more even conference, talent wise.
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Can't get anything by you can we? ;D
I will stick with my predictions...we will have a veteran team, we will have established bench players, and we will have a tougher schedule vs an overall more even conference, talent wise.
Don't let them bully you, Chief!
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Subtract:
Shannon
Mayer
Hawkins
Epps
Melendez
Add:
Dennis
Domask
Guerrier
Harmon
It’s still a significantly worse team than last year with a much tougher schedule.
It’s like people have amnesia about how shitty the team was last year. Take the best guys off it, add some mediocre 1 year grad transfers, and it’s still shit. Older shit. Low upside shit. Meaningless shit as nothing is built for the future.
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Subtract:
Shannon
Mayer
Hawkins
Epps
Melendez
Add:
Dennis
Domask
Guerrier
Harmon
It’s still a significantly worse team than last year with a much tougher schedule.
It’s like people have amnesia about how shitty the team was last year. Take the best guys off it, add some mediocre 1 year grad transfers, and it’s still shit. Older shit. Low upside shit. Meaningless shit as nothing is built for the future.
Speaking of meaningless human shit
NIT Squeaky right on cue.
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Grant Nelson from NDSU and Coleman Hawkins are basically the same player. Hawkins is projected mid to late 2nd round, and Nelson currently isn't projected, although there is smoke there.....
Hawkins needs to return if for no other reason 2024 allows him a much better draft position.
A year from now Hawkins will be 22, turning 23 in his first NBA season. He's probably less likely to be drafted then if for no other reason than the NBA is often not interested in dudes who are still projects at that age.
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A year from now Hawkins will be 22, turning 23 in his first NBA season. He's probably less likely to be drafted then if for no other reason than the NBA is often not interested in dudes who are still projects at that age.
Agree. It's always better to go out early. He certainly has some flashes of athletic talent and ability, but there are a lot of guys like him in the NBA already, and guys coming in every year from here and Europe that want a spot as a stretch 4/ bigger wing.
Unless there is some unforeseen dramatic improvement in his shooting and ability to get his own shot, I don't see him ever doing much at next level.
He does everything OK, and has obvious length, but does nothing really well.
He couldn't guard a TJD, or a Pickett in college. Those guys are a dime a dozen at next level.
The NBA is a grown man's league.
I think TSJ has a little higher upside, but also needs major improvements in perimeter shot, ballhandling, and on ball D.
Neither project as more than bench guys at best at this point. But I am not a GM and maybe they surprise in workouts.
Whether either comes back isn't going to change that.
They both can make more in NIL than the G league.
Can still go to Europe anytime.
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Agree. It's always better to go out early. He certainly has some flashes of athletic talent and ability, but there are a lot of guys like him in the NBA already, and guys coming in every year from here and Europe that want a spot as a stretch 4/ bigger wing.
Unless there is some unforeseen dramatic improvement in his shooting and ability to get his own shot, I don't see him ever doing much at next level.
He does everything OK, and has obvious length, but does nothing really well.
He couldn't guard a TJD, or a Pickett in college. Those guys are a dime a dozen at next level.
The NBA is a grown man's league.
I think TSJ has a little higher upside, but also needs major improvements in perimeter shot, ballhandling, and on ball D.
Neither project as more than bench guys at best at this point. But I am not a GM and maybe they surprise in workouts.
Whether either comes back isn't going to change that.
They both can make more in NIL than the G league.
Can still go to Europe anytime.
Agreed.
Maturity on the court is a big issue as well. The NBA isn’t gonna fuck around with immaturity issues.
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Agree. It's always better to go out early. He certainly has some flashes of athletic talent and ability, but there are a lot of guys like him in the NBA already, and guys coming in every year from here and Europe that want a spot as a stretch 4/ bigger wing.
Unless there is some unforeseen dramatic improvement in his shooting and ability to get his own shot, I don't see him ever doing much at next level.
He does everything OK, and has obvious length, but does nothing really well.
He couldn't guard a TJD, or a Pickett in college. Those guys are a dime a dozen at next level.
The NBA is a grown man's league.
I think TSJ has a little higher upside, but also needs major improvements in perimeter shot, ballhandling, and on ball D.
Neither project as more than bench guys at best at this point. But I am not a GM and maybe they surprise in workouts.
Whether either comes back isn't going to change that.
They both can make more in NIL than the G league.
Can still go to Europe anytime.
I have basically inverse thoughts on the two players.
The guy who's a dime a dozen in the league is Shannon. He's a streaky but not great shooter, a bull going into the paint, good athleticism. Those guys are a dime a dozen in the league, and I suspect that's why the rumor has been that Shannon is likely to come back.
Guys like Hawkins who can initiate an offense at 6'10" and guard 3 positions are less common, but Hawkins just isn't consistent enough right now. I don't think the 'type' of player he is is common in the NBA really, but I'm also not sure he's good enough at that style to really make a mark at the next level.
You're probably right about the G League and NIL, but NIL is totally opaque - nobody knows how much anybody's really making.
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Bottom line though, whether they're truly 'ready' or not - which gets mentioned a lot by fans - isn't really that important, I don't blame any kid for jumping when the opportunity is there to jump. It's not a chance most people ever get, even if you're a "maybe will be a second round pick" type.
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Agree that they all think they will be the second rounder or G league guy that will become the exception and become a rotation guy.
Some make it. And then it is hard to stay there.
I really don't see Hawkins being able to guard anyone at next level other than a stretch 4.
He needs to get a jumpshot and learn how to create his own.
His passing and ball handling are sort of unique, but nothing great.
And yes, he is pretty immature still.
I am not a big fan. He was a inconsistent in too many games and couldn't shoot worth a fuck.
If he returns he needs to make a big jump in consistency.
If someone says they will take him and give him a 2 way, he should go.
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A year from now Hawkins will be 22, turning 23 in his first NBA season. He's probably less likely to be drafted then if for no other reason than the NBA is often not interested in dudes who are still projects at that age.
Agreed with the age thing generally, that is spot on. If you look at next years draft as it is now (no 6'10-guard 3 positions are magically going to appear), then Hawkins I think regardless of age is in a much better position to go higher, that and he has to mature alot as far as on the court.
TSJ is different, as he is a dime a dozen NBA wise, but he could carve out a place on the bench somewhere, but it has already been noted, NIL will be more, and with his game and another year to become a better shooter, I believe he goes higher as well.
The 2024 draft is just ridiculously poor talent wise....that's the year if you have a choice to try and move up and make more $$, barring injuries, neither player will hurt their chances from where they may be projected currently. The combine however may do that for them.
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I just don’t see the words Coleman Hawkins and NBA ever being that closely associated with each other. He was a long way from an NBA player last year.
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Hawkins is so tentative and indecisive, can’t see that being a big selling point for a team who might otherwise take a flyer on his physical tools.
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Hawkins is so tentative and indecisive, can’t see that being a big selling point for a team who might otherwise take a flyer on his physical tools.
That’s a pretty good point. He has “tools,” he just seems to lack confidence and consistency.
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He's getting mid/late 2nd rd looks, which seems right although the ESPN position list had him just 2 spots below Japen Wilson in terms of PFs and.... friends, that's a big gap.
Needs to come back to school or come to terms with developing in the G-League.
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He's getting mid/late 2nd rd looks, which seems right although the ESPN position list had him just 2 spots below Japen Wilson in terms of PFs and.... friends, that's a big gap.
Needs to come back to school or come to terms with developing in the G-League.
I guess what I'm saying is, I sincerely doubt another year is going to really bump his draft stock up much. Any improvement he makes will be offset by the fact that he was already an upperclassman and will be a year older.
I don't think there's much doubt that if he's NBA or bust, this is going to be the best opportunity he'll probably get. He may be told that it's not going to happen, but if he's told that it's probably not going to happen next year either.
There was one college senior taken in the first round last year (he was an All American), and three more in the second round. If you're 22-23 and you're not in the league yet, chances are the NBA isn't that interested. And that's why mocks might project them close together - Hawkins is more than a year younger than Wilson.
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All valid points, I just don't think Hawk has to "help" his cause much....I think the draft class will "help" him all he needs.
I mean the 2024 draft projected class is SO WEAK that Bronny James is considered by some to be Top 10? 6'2" CG (loosely used here) Top 10?
There is no chance that Hawk and TSJ both would not move up in this draft, the talent is just weaker.
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I guess what I'm saying is, I sincerely doubt another year is going to really bump his draft stock up much. Any improvement he makes will be offset by the fact that he was already an upperclassman and will be a year older.
I don't think there's much doubt that if he's NBA or bust, this is going to be the best opportunity he'll probably get. He may be told that it's not going to happen, but if he's told that it's probably not going to happen next year either.
There was one college senior taken in the first round last year (he was an All American), and three more in the second round. If you're 22-23 and you're not in the league yet, chances are the NBA isn't that interested. And that's why mocks might project them close together - Hawkins is more than a year younger than Wilson.
I think the sale to Hawkins is having a second shot at being the alpha without Matt Meyer dragging down his scoring opps. It's not a great argument but it's an argument.
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All valid points, I just don't think Hawk has to "help" his cause much....I think the draft class will "help" him all he needs.
I mean the 2024 draft projected class is SO WEAK that Bronny James is considered by some to be Top 10? 6'2" CG (loosely used here) Top 10?
There is no chance that Hawk and TSJ both would not move up in this draft, the talent is just weaker.
Mock drafts for next June are pretty worthless. Way too many unknowns.
If either of these guys gets a solid commitment from a team to get picked in 2nd round and get a contract of any kind, they are gone.
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I think the sale to Hawkins is having a second shot at being the alpha without Matt Meyer dragging down his scoring opps. It's not a great argument but it's an argument.
Maybe. He seemed either afraid to drive, or afraid to shoot, or he took ill advised shots.
Has to show a consistent scoring game in college, or the summer NBA league, or the G league to make a roster.
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Mock drafts for next June are pretty worthless. Way too many unknowns.
If either of these guys gets a solid commitment from a team to get picked in 2nd round and get a contract of any kind, they are gone.
And IMO they should be gone in that scenario.
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Mock drafts for next June are pretty worthless. Way too many unknowns.
If either of these guys gets a solid commitment from a team to get picked in 2nd round and get a contract of any kind, they are gone.
That's the issue, Grandpa Hawkins has maturity issues, I doubt he would be guaranteed more than the 2 years and average pay of $$1,579,416 to $952,995. TSJ could conceivably get more of a guaranteed based on playing style/etc....but even then the team that drafts him can pay him league minimum or anything from 1-4 years and with fully guaranteed or none at all. At this stage both may fall into the NONE at all category?
Final pick in 1st Rd gets approx $3-500,000. more than the highest average of a 2nd rounder and it is for 4 years with minimum 2 years fully guaranteed.
I think both of ours guys could easily get from projected 35-50 range as of now into that 25-30 range next year. More $$$, more guaranteed.
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Hawkins is so tentative and indecisive, can’t see that being a big selling point for a team who might otherwise take a flyer on his physical tools.
Hawkins should look at Dawson Garcia as a similar player whose draft chances got worse by coming back to college.
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I guess what I'm saying is, I sincerely doubt another year is going to really bump his draft stock up much. Any improvement he makes will be offset by the fact that he was already an upperclassman and will be a year older.
I don't think there's much doubt that if he's NBA or bust, this is going to be the best opportunity he'll probably get. He may be told that it's not going to happen, but if he's told that it's probably not going to happen next year either.
There was one college senior taken in the first round last year (he was an All American), and three more in the second round. If you're 22-23 and you're not in the league yet, chances are the NBA isn't that interested. And that's why mocks might project them close together - Hawkins is more than a year younger than Wilson.
Also being undrafted and older isn’t a death sentence for a career.
Fred VanVleet and Austin Reaves are gonna be near paid a ton. In fact Reaves will be making far more money as an undrafted player when he’s a RFA than Ayo will get who was a 2nd rounder.
I think the success of Fred and Austin, although clearly anomalies, are going to play into the decisions that even if I don’t get picked in the 2nd round I’ll still go for my career
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That's the issue, Grandpa Hawkins has maturity issues, I doubt he would be guaranteed more than the 2 years and average pay of $$1,579,416 to $952,995. TSJ could conceivably get more of a guaranteed based on playing style/etc....but even then the team that drafts him can pay him league minimum or anything from 1-4 years and with fully guaranteed or none at all. At this stage both may fall into the NONE at all category?
Final pick in 1st Rd gets approx $3-500,000. more than the highest average of a 2nd rounder and it is for 4 years with minimum 2 years fully guaranteed.
I think both of ours guys could easily get from projected 35-50 range as of now into that 25-30 range next year. More $$$, more guaranteed.
Neither of these guys is going to be a first round draft pick whether they go now or next year.
If either guy got offered a 2 year/1.9m contract he would be ridiculously dumb to pass on it.
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Hunter Dickinson to Kansas, per The ESPN.
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Perfect fit both directions.
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Hunter Dickinson to Kansas, per The ESPN.
I hate that fucker, but if he’s ever gonna make it in the NBA, this is the best decision he could’ve made for himself. Running Self’s pick and roll offense is suited perfectly for him.
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It does appear that actual recruiting analysts think Illinois is a lock for Dennis.
Let's hope they are right.
RayJ might want to actually withdraw from the NBA draft before committing to a transfer.
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Go get Wilhelm from Nebraska....the NIL $$$ could cover new goggles cost!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvN4PRPWxns
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Go get Wilhelm from Nebraska....the NIL $$$ could cover new goggles cost!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvN4PRPWxns
I enjoyed watching him play last year. Let's do it!
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Go get Wilhelm from Nebraska....the NIL $$$ could cover new goggles cost!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvN4PRPWxns
Anyone else get serial killer vibes off this one?
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Looks like a kid who wears glasses to me, IDK.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/bvH6rzLt/5-E4-C5-D4-E-7-DFA-495-C-B4-BD-D1-C4-D3-E79-C1-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nsrKwfyF)
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I was literally making a joke :)
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USC is about to get interesting....you take Bronny James, as much as I hate the overhype, anyone would take him.
Problem is you have the National #1 PG, State #1, Position #1 PG in Isaiah Collier....wonder how this kid feels about Bronny getting the PG gig for 1 year. You know James gets the pub, the position, the status....if I was the #1 PG across the board I would be pissed, James or not!
Bronny is 1 year at the most, and to show you how weak the 2024 draft will be a 6'2" combo/point guard is draft lottery discussion....C'mon Man, that is the ESPN/James PR team working overtime.
Hawk/TSJ could certainly move up in position next year if they return, if Bronny James is lottery material.
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1656076373990035464?t=O2OL6L0z_3n9YaHKsojSmQ&s=19
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1656076373990035464?t=O2OL6L0z_3n9YaHKsojSmQ&s=19
I am having a hard time finding a player worse than Hawkins on this list.
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I am having a hard time finding a player worse than Hawkins on this list.
do ties count?
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Andrew Taylor (Marshall) would be a nice pickup.
I would expect we will not hear anything good or bad about RayJ, until after the NBA combine. IF we get one/two of the guys back, then I think RayJ commits with this knowledge, without them, I don't think we land him now.
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Looking through Portal teams....St Johns has 9 transfers.
Whole team got Crean'd...LOL
https://www.on3.com/college/st-johns-red-storm/basketball/2023/industry-comparison-commits/
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Pitino said the minute he got hired it was going to happen.
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Pitino said the minute he got hired it was going to happen.
yes he did....might have to change to you got Pitino'd....damn
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How about “You got Prime Timed?”
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How about “You got Prime Timed?”
No shit, that makes Pitino look like Jr. Mafia... !!!!!!
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Would expect a RayJ announcement coming up really soon, alot of talk on Loyalty, but more importantly, many media outlets are all covering top PG as a whole, and many regional are (re) doing articles, which seems to me means something pending. One or more have to have some inkling to putting time into print imo.
Weekend announcement would be my guess, followed by TSJ/Hawk tandem announcing coming back after. This would set the team and have us looking on to the travel coming up.
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https://emueagles.com/news/2023/5/23/mens-basketball-adds-mcgriff-serven-to-2023-24-roster.aspx
Connor Serven-Eastern Michigan.
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https://emueagles.com/news/2023/5/23/mens-basketball-adds-mcgriff-serven-to-2023-24-roster.aspx
Connor Serven-Eastern Michigan.
A bad look for NIU losing an Illinois kid to conference rival EMU.
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Imagine 20 years ago being told people would care this much about if we were getting a PG from Toledo
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;D ;D ;D
A bad look for NIU losing an Illinois kid to conference rival EMU.
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A bad look for NIU losing an Illinois kid to conference rival EMU.
Spark says they are equivalent programs in scope.
Well, NIU did not lose him to NU or DePaul, at least.
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A bad look for NIU losing an Illinois kid to conference rival EMU.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DZrZfgXp/4-D94351-E-1618-406-A-8-C1-B-94-DC9954-DEF2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JDhmPjKj)
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Someone is saltier today than the Oswego kid....
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But will sneaky be enough or need to be even?
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-transfer-portal-impactful-classes-outside-of-the-top-15-North-Carolina-Tennessee-Cincinnati-Houston-Illinois-UC-Santa-Barbara-Wake-Forest-Arizona-210899967/
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I took a quick look at Loyalty - that board's a nightmare to look at - and saw one of their "insiders" (is that BReal?) claims Shannon is going to announce tomorrow that he's staying at Illinois.
So I wanted to come here and give the One True Insider a chance. Dom, you want to welch out of the bet, or are you bullish on "the loyalty guys don't know shit and I know he's not coming back"? Thought it'd be fun to give you a chance to get out before you get banned.
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As I predicted all 3 will be ILLINI.....far better % than Domfucknik....also was closer all other predictions, and I don't have to welch on any online BS wagers....LOL.
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I just want to give him one last chance to bow to what the loyalty "insider" type is saying and stop pretending he knows shit when he doesn't.
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I took a quick look at Loyalty - that board's a nightmare to look at - and saw one of their "insiders" (is that BReal?) claims Shannon is going to announce tomorrow that he's staying at Illinois.
So I wanted to come here and give the One True Insider a chance. Dom, you want to welch out of the bet, or are you bullish on "the loyalty guys don't know shit and I know he's not coming back"? Thought it'd be fun to give you a chance to get out before you get banned.
The Loyalty people know nothing. I do.
You have 1 day left. Then you’re gone. Forever.
Again, these idiots said TSJ was announcing he was coming back 2 weekends ago. Didn’t happen.
They said Dennis was a lock and he visited 3 other places and never came back.
They say IL is getting every recruit and then claim recruiting is fluid.
You believing an idiot like BrooksTaylorFan over me. Well let this be a learning opportunity for you Sparky.
Next time, when you want actual IL recruiting info, just read here. You won’t be able to post. But you can still read. I’ll still be posting my takes.
Until then, go drink some Bud Light. Go be that old nerdy white guy that walks in BLM parades. Go indulge in some some white guilting.
I’ll be happy here. I’ll bump your funeral thread on Thursday. Promises Made. Promises kept. When I put my word to it, it’s done.
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The Loyalty people know nothing. I do.
You have 1 day left. Then you’re gone. Forever.
Again, these idiots said TSJ was announcing he was coming back 2 weekends ago. Didn’t happen.
They said Dennis was a lock and he visited 3 other places and never came back.
They say IL is getting every recruit and then claim recruiting is fluid.
You believing an idiot like BrooksTaylorFan over me. Well let this be a learning opportunity for you Sparky.
Next time, when you want actual IL recruiting info, just read here. You won’t be able to post. But you can still read. I’ll still be posting my takes.
Until then, go drink some Bud Light. Go be that old nerdy white guy that walks in BLM parades. Go indulge in some some white guilting.
I’ll be happy here. I’ll bump your funeral thread on Thursday. Promises Made. Promises kept. When I put my word to it, it’s done.
Beautiful, this is exactly what I was hoping you'd say.
Enjoy your last 18ish hours bud.
I hadn't been to loyalty for a few years until just now. I might have another source of information though.
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Beautiful, this is exactly what I was hoping you'd say.
Enjoy your last 18ish hours bud.
I hadn't been to loyalty for a few years until just now. I might have another source of information though.
You can go cry on the Scout board about this place having no rules.
Bottomline is I can call you a faggot cancer on here and it’s 100% true.
That cancer is gone tomorrow.
LKDog is next. But with him, he’s going to cut n run. Don’t ever need to bet him. He’ll quit on his own bc he’s a front runner. Illinois going to be so bad he won’t post.
Next year is gonna be a celebration on here. It’s going to be me gloating about always being right and celebrating Underwood’s last year as coach
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Hahaha, tomorrow is going to be hilarious.
It would've been funny if you'd tucked your tail between your legs but this is WAY fucking better.
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Promises Made. Promises kept. When I put my word to it, it’s done.
LOL. What a load of crap this is. Re-post the video, Squeaky. We want to laugh at your sweaty, bug eyed, dumb ass again.
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You can go cry on the Scout board about this place having no rules.
Bottomline is I can call you a faggot cancer on here and it’s 100% true.
That cancer is gone tomorrow.
LKDog is next. But with him, he’s going to cut n run. Don’t ever need to bet him. He’ll quit on his own bc he’s a front runner. Illinois going to be so bad he won’t post.
Next year is gonna be a celebration on here. It’s going to be me gloating about always being right and celebrating Underwood’s last year as coach
BUT TSJ IS COMING BACK…
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Hahaha, tomorrow is going to be hilarious.
It would've been funny if you'd tucked your tail between your legs but this is WAY fucking better.
Sparky’s wet bc Derek Piper said Shannon was a 7 on coming back.
Here’s what’s gonna happen:
**Shannon will go to the NBA. Why? Bc he’s a top 45 pick. And 5th year players don’t gain anything from staying in college. But insiders will say “well he told the staff he was coming back, we made him a great offer” - just regular nonsense. Listen to me. I’m right. They are wrong. The end.
**Hawkins will also go to the NBA. Why? Bc he hates college. And he’s worked out for a ton of NBA teams. And Guerrier coming confirmed he was gone Insiders will give him the Kofi treatment. Saying he made a bad decision.
**Dennis will go to Baylor. Why? Bc he’s visited there twice.
3/3 and really easy logical predictions
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BUT TSJ IS COMING BACK…
Who has said this?
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I'll take your word Piper said that, no clue what he's been saying.
Please fucking tell me you pay for Scout premium, that'd be hysterical.
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Who has said this?
I did at least 2 times, maybe 3....2024 draft class makes much more sense for both Hawkins and Shannon, regardless of age. They will move up barring a season lost for some reason.
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I'll take your word Piper said that, no clue what he's been saying.
Please fucking tell me you pay for Scout premium, that'd be hysterical.
I don’t pay for anything. He said it on his radio show. BrooksTaylorFan takes it verbatim.
All these people are doing is selling hope to the gullible. Then they will lie when it turns out untrue by saying he told the staff he was coming back.
Use your head. These things are easy to figure out
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I did at least 2 times, maybe 3....2024 draft class makes much more sense for both Hawkins and Shannon, regardless of age. They will move up barring a season lost for some reason.
Why don’t you list how many 5th year seniors have been drafted on the 1st round oh say the last 10 years?
Makes zero sense for either to come back even Hawkins. Hawkins can look at Dawson Garcia as a guy that tanked his draft value by staying in school
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I absolutely love that you listen to Derek Piper's radio show. LOL.
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Hawkins has no draft value to speak of. He should stay in school, get a bachelor's degree, earn NIL money, and see if he can improve his skills and athletic numbers.
Shannon has exceptional speed and quickness. All his other measurables are average to subpar. He might improve his vertical with another year in college. He is not going to get longer arms or bigger hands. He has probably maxed out his ball skills.
It comes down to money. The certain value of NIL money and continuing his education versus gambling on the draft.
Only the 30 first round draft picks get guaranteed money. The next ten likely get at least a year guaranteed. Shannon was looking for two teams to promise they would draft him and give him guarantees.
Shannon got his feedback. No leaks. He will announce mañana.
If Baylor's PG stays in the draft, RayJ might have a decision to make. Or not.
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Bold prediction and Dom will be gone if he honors the bet…
TSJ and Hawkins will be back, and RayJ will commit as well. Book it.
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Why don’t you list how many 5th year seniors have been drafted on the 1st round oh say the last 10 years?
Makes zero sense for either to come back even Hawkins. Hawkins can look at Dawson Garcia as a guy that tanked his draft value by staying in school
Why don't you look it up so you can actually have some facts for once to make yet another wild statement/wager/dumb comment.
2024 draft actually makes it make perfect sense for both to come back, which they will do tomorrow, be gone little man, be gone....
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I doubt either are going to be first round picks.
Dom's obviously being dumb (water is obviously being wet), as a lot has changed over the last 3-4 years - a 5th year guy who didn't get a free COVID year and can't get NIL money is obviously weighing different factors - but if they are expecting to come back and have their draft stock go up, that's not very likely to happen.
I think what's more likely is they come back, pull probably a pretty damn big paycheck for another year of school, try the draft again next year and pull a nice pro basketball paycheck overseas somewhere (or, if they're bullish on the NBA, pull a really small paycheck in the G-League).
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I doubt either are going to be first round picks.
If they are expecting to come back and have their draft stock go up, that's not very likely to happen.
Agreed, except with this point, the 2024 draft is already being talked about being one of the weakest. Of course things change, players will burst onto the scene, but even if they both come back, I still think they have 100% chance to move up, if strictly because the pond is smaller, they become bigger fish if you will.
Moving up to high 2nd rd with guaranteed $$$ is still moving up from where they are now, right?
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They will be another year older in the 2024 draft, and their age is already hurting them in the 2023 draft.
The chances an upperclassman comes back and his draft stock goes up is very small. Not that it's never happened, I know Kansas had the guy recently, but it's really unlikely. Even if 2024 is the weakest draft ever, there will be similar players that are 19-21 instead of 22-24.
Nobody really knows where they are right now, so impossible to say on your last question. Any second round pick you're on the mercy of the team as to whether you get a guarantee.
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They will be another year older in the 2024 draft, and their age is already hurting them in the 2023 draft.
The chances an upperclassman comes back and his draft stock goes up is very small. Not that it's never happened, I know Kansas had the guy recently, but it's really unlikely. Even if 2024 is the weakest draft ever, there will be similar players that are 19-21 instead of 22-24.
Nobody really knows where they are right now, so impossible to say on your last question. Any second round pick you're on the mercy of the team as to whether you get a guarantee.
Fair enough, although I do believe like the 1st 10 picks into the 2nd ususally get a 2 year guaranteed $$ contract, some past that point can as well, although not normally.
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They have tended to get guarantees lately, yeah (that's relatively new) - but teams are not compelled to guarantee you anything in the second round. It's up to them.
A lot of Illini fans have been selling that the first 10 picks in the second round get a guaranteed contract and that isn't true. Lately they have been offered that more often than not, but that is up to the team who drafts them. The only true guarantee is getting picked in the first round, after that nothing is promised.
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They have tended to get guarantees lately, yeah (that's relatively new) - but teams are not compelled to guarantee you anything in the second round. It's up to them.
A lot of Illini fans have been selling that the first 10 picks in the second round get a guaranteed contract and that isn't true. Lately they have been offered that more often than not, but that is up to the team who drafts them. The only true guarantee is getting picked in the first round, after that nothing is promised.
Agreed, we will see, either way the 3 will play one more year here IMO.
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"Jon Rothstein
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RayJ Dennis tells me that he will withdraw from the 2023 NBA Draft following today's workout with the Milwaukee Bucks."
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Sparky’s wet bc Derek Piper said Shannon was a 7 on coming back.
Here’s what’s gonna happen:
**Shannon will go to the NBA. Why? Bc he’s a top 45 pick. And 5th year players don’t gain anything from staying in college. But insiders will say “well he told the staff he was coming back, we made him a great offer” - just regular nonsense. Listen to me. I’m right. They are wrong. The end.
**Hawkins will also go to the NBA. Why? Bc he hates college. And he’s worked out for a ton of NBA teams. And Guerrier coming confirmed he was gone Insiders will give him the Kofi treatment. Saying he made a bad decision.
**Dennis will go to Baylor. Why? Bc he’s visited there twice.
3/3 and really easy logical predictions
Dennis is go to Baylor.
1 down
And it ain’t looking good for Sparky on TSJ.
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Dennis is go to Baylor.
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And it ain’t looking good for Sparky on TSJ.
Actually don't see Baylor being a better fit....maybe for a development type of guard 2-3 years, but a 1 year ball out option...ILLINI is better in terms of value to player and vice versus.
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Actually don't see Baylor being a better fit....maybe for a development type of guard 2-3 years, but a 1 year ball out option...ILLINI is better in terms of value to player and vice versus.
Maybe he'd rather risk getting shot by a teammate instead of getting yelled at by Underachiever?
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Actually don't see Baylor being a better fit....maybe for a development type of guard 2-3 years, but a 1 year ball out option...ILLINI is better in terms of value to player and vice versus.
No they aren’t.
Baylor has far better coaching.
Baylor has far better surrounding talent.
Baylor has put far more guys into the NBA.
Just look at Matthew Mayer. You think he helped himself leaving Baylor to come to Illinois? He didn’t even get invited to the combine and that’s with Underwood letting him do whatever he wanted here.
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Bye Dominic
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No they aren’t.
Baylor has far better coaching.
Baylor has far better surrounding talent.
Baylor has put far more guys into the NBA.
Just look at Matthew Mayer. You think he helped himself leaving Baylor to come to Illinois? He didn’t even get invited to the combine and that’s with Underwood letting him do whatever he wanted here.
He didn't get invited to combine because he was all Monster'd out, they knew they couldn't contain the guy, BU was, just the facilitator, Mayer helped us and hurt us, Mayer helped himself in some ways but really hurt himself in others.
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Yuri Collins not an option if we miss on RayJ because he’s staying in the draft.
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Yuri Collins not an option if we miss on RayJ because he’s staying in the draft.
Interesting. I heard he had gotten poor feedback in his workouts.
Well, they need to figure it out.
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Good morning to all the scroll downers.
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RayJ to announce his decision at noon today.
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Spark, what are you hearing about the portal today? Since you are the HQ2 Insider now.
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Haven’t heard shit
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RayJ to announce his decision at noon today.
I think it is 1100 am CST??
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I think it is 1100 am CST??
Yes, from what I saw on Loyalty. Noon EST. Had to go there, they ARE the only insiders left since Dom is gone.
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What are the loyalty folks saying about it?
Don't think they're the end all be all but they are quite clearly a LOT more plugged in than Truth.
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I think it is 1100 am CST??
CDT. Don't want anyone to miss it.
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What are the loyalty folks saying about it?
Don't think they're the end all be all but they are quite clearly a LOT more plugged in than Truth.
Last I read, staff is confident but RayJ has not informed any coaching staff/any of the schools of his decision.
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Looking at Portal webpage, RayJ is still listed between us and Michigan, however all other pages show Michigan out of the picture (assumed for awhile), and between us and Baylor.
I just don't see Baylor as the ideal fit, maybe ILLINI biased, but it seems the table is set for RayJ here. Also, Pullin has listed top 5 and we are not in it.
I would think the ILLINI are as sure a thing now, as they were 2 weeks ago....1 to go, only 1 to go.
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Haven’t heard shit
Sounds about right for an insider.
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What is "the portal webpage"? On3?
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Sounds about right for an insider.
This title was bestowed upon me, to be fair. I'm no insider.
I know a couple people who do occasionally "hear stuff", one who works in the athletic department and one in the media. When I made the bet about Shannon I was just guessing as nobody - including TSJ - knew what was going to happen yet. Said that up front when I made the bet.
A little less than a week ago I was told he was coming back. I waited until I saw that from some "insider" on Loyalty and then offered Truth two separate chances to acknowledge he didn't know shit and get out of the bet. I was glad that he declined.
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This title was bestowed upon me, to be fair. I'm no insider.
I know. I was just making a joke.
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Home run swing for RayJ, ended up to be some harmless popcorn. That said, if the staff is not done yet as they say, then maybe we can still get a solid base hit, double say. Yes I know it will seem like settling, but at this point maybe that is our reality.
With team we have put together and with whom we NEEDED to have come back, I really think we need a good solid PG distributor, NOT a stud one. Afterall, the biggest reason that we need one is to facilitate and distribute the ball to our studs, not rely on for hero ball 3's again.
Jeremiah Williams from Iowa State?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIrY0iCdkfs
https://www.thechampaignroom.com/2023/6/1/23745823/illinois-adds-transfer-pg-jeremiah-williams-fighting-illini-ncaa-big-ten-iowa-state-brad-underwood
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Never wanted RayJ. He fucked Kim Kardashian’s nasty ass.
Seriously though, Jeremiah Williams is our consolation prize? Meh.
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When is he even going to be ready to play?
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When is he even going to be ready to play?
Going out on a limb...3 months
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Three months from now would be a hell of a quick recovery. That'd be 11 months from game to game.
I'd guess closer to the semester break, but could be wrong. It usually takes more than a year on an achilles.
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Three months from now would be a hell of a quick recovery. That'd be 11 months from game to game.
I'd guess closer to the semester break, but could be wrong. It usually takes more than a year on an achilles.
Injury was reported Oct 7 2022...recovery is usually 6-9 months from surgery.
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Injury was reported Oct 7 2022...recovery is usually 6-9 months from surgery.
Well, you are definitely a glass-is-half-full kinda person.
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Well, you are definitely a glass-is-half-full kinda person.
If you only knew LOL ;D
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Find me a basketball player that's playing again 6-9 months after tearing his achilles.
EDIT: I searched, and the fastest an NBA player's ever come back in 7.5 months. Usually takes a year.
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Find me a basketball player that's playing again 6-9 months after tearing his achilles.
EDIT: I searched, and the fastest an NBA player's ever come back in 7.5 months. Usually takes a year.
Glass half full I see..... ;D ;D
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When is he even going to be ready to play?
Hopefully by october
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Find me a basketball player that's playing again 6-9 months after tearing his achilles.
EDIT: I searched, and the fastest an NBA player's ever come back in 7.5 months. Usually takes a year.
Dominique Wilkins is famous for his 9 month recovery and return, that said, very minimal chance, glass still half full however.
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He is not going to be needed to play big minutes at all. I like that he has possibly three years left.
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EDIT.
I don't like what is being implied out there.
That Williams is being brought in to start and he is "healthy". I like the pickup but we are counting on a guy recovering from an Achilles injury to run the team?
Also now being stated that Woodbury is not eligible per NCAA and was denied a waiver.
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Depends what you mean "run the team", I suppose. I expect Shannon and Hawkins to "run the team" mostly. I think having two unquestioned upper classman leaders who have played for Illinois and bought into the coaching staff will go a long way.
I'd like a distributor on offense but I also don't necessarily think it's a make or break thing like some do. I don't think us not getting good PG play was really the biggest issue last year - there was nothing stopping the guys we had from running offense, they just mostly didn't. That's the biggest change that needs to happen, ball movement from all five guys on the court. I think that will come with chemistry - at least I hope. Obviously a repeat of the poor chemistry from last year would be very concerning.
One thing I like of what I've seen from Williams is he seems like a dog on defense.
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Oh, if Williams can guard like he used to I like him for sure. But we need a legit PG to get into sets, but we never had one when Ayo was here so it can work.
The other thing being stated is they are on Reeves from Kentucky.
Kind of have to say staff is all over the map right now.
Went all in on pure point guard and now we can get by without one.
We do have a better roster overall than last year.
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I'm not sure how Reeves fits but he's a baller for sure. He would immediately be one of our two or three most talented players regardless of position. Can shoot the rock, too. I wouldn't complain if we got him.
I think people really, really oversell the "we desperately need a pure PG" thing because of last year, and I think the PG thing is to some degree an excuse for the lack of chemistry that was really the issue last year. We definitely need someone to handle the ball and get us into sets but that's something a Shannon or Reeves can do just fine, even if they don't rack up big assist numbers. Also in theory, if Williams is healthy, he's exactly the guy we're talking about - gets some good assists numbers, 2-1 A/TO, guards his ass off. It seems like half of our fans are like "we don't need a guy to score a bunch at the 1" and the other half are like "but Williams sucks, he can't score!" The biggest thing, obviously, is can he get healthy.
The bigger thing IMO is buy in from all the guys on the roster, playing for their teammates, etc. I expect Shannon and Hawkins to set the tone on that - those guys seem all in on our program - which they obviously struggled / failed to do last year. I hope our new guys have different mindsets than Skyy and Mayer did.
It's funny but a year ago we thought we were absolutely set at PG. We weren't.
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EDIT.
I don't like what is being implied out there.
That Williams is being brought in to start and he is "healthy". I like the pickup but we are counting on a guy recovering from an Achilles injury to run the team?
Also now being stated that Woodbury is not eligible per NCAA and was denied a waiver.
It'd be legitimately insane if the NCAA denied him a waiver. He missed an entire regular season with a knee injury.
Whether that means playing for us or not, the dude should be able to play next year IMO.
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It'd be legitimately insane if the NCAA denied him a waiver. He missed an entire regular season with a knee injury.
Whether that means playing for us or not, the dude should be able to play next year IMO.
Woodbury played 2 games that season -- in March for their conference tournament. The rule is clear.
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Yes, 2 games.
The rule is clear, and waivers are often given for seasons where guys played more games.
It's absolute crazy talk to deny him another year. Given all the insane, inconsistent decisions the NCAA makes nothing would surprise me obviously but he should definitely get another year of college basketball.
Obviously the rules being clear has never mattered in college athletics, only whether rules are enforced. The rule making it illegal for NIL deals to be pay-for-play is clear too, but here we are.
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I’m just gonna wait until January 16th and see what things look like before I make any conclusions…
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If Williams is healthy, this should be a very strong defensive team that struggles on offense.
Antonio Reeves seems like a guy who could help the offense.
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I’m just gonna wait until January 16th and see what things look like before I make any conclusions…
Well that's not very AOTC is it?
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The injury must be season ending. It is when he played, not how many games. They burnt his medical redshirt when they brought him back for the conference tournament. His issue is with his coaches, not the NCAA.
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If Williams is healthy, this should be a very strong defensive team that struggles on offense.
Antonio Reeves seems like a guy who could help the offense.
I think with or without a healthy Williams this team will be better on both sides of the ball.
Hard to say how much but we were really hard to watch last year.
Won enough to make tourney and had a couple really big wins, but were brutal most games for long stretches.
I am looking forward to this year.
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I think with or without a healthy Williams this team will be better on both sides of the ball.
Hard to say how much but we were really hard to watch last year.
Won enough to make tourney and had a couple really big wins, but were brutal most games for long stretches.
I am looking forward to this year.
Hopefully you watch all the games and don't leave the board if there is a rough stretch.
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Hopefully you watch all the games and don't leave the board if there is a rough stretch.
I am assuming you are being facetious.
I did not take a break from this board due to the basketball.
We had two full blown highly dysfunctional disturbed personality disorders trolling every thread and members daily.
Actually enjoyed actual basketball discussion on other forums and followed basketball and the team like I have for decades.
You have no idea how involved I have been with the game over the years.
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I am assuming you are being facetious.
I did not take a break from this board due to the basketball.
We had two full blown highly dysfunctional disturbed personality disorders trolling every thread and members daily.
Actually enjoyed actual basketball discussion on other forums and followed basketball and the team like I have for decades.
You have no idea how involved I have been with the game over the years.
Yes, I was being facetious.
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I think with or without a healthy Williams this team will be better on both sides of the ball.
Hard to say how much but we were really hard to watch last year.
Won enough to make tourney and had a couple really big wins, but were brutal most games for long stretches.
I am looking forward to this year.
I can see this team being a 6 or 7 seed, since Shannon, Hawkins, Dainja, Goode, Rodgers and Harris all return and they won't have the Sky Clark and Jayden Epps drama. Also like that this is a veteran group with 3 of the transfers being 5th year guys. However, no idea if any of the transfers will be real good. Am hoping Goode can provide some much needed outside shooting next year.
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I can see this team being a 6 or 7 seed, since Shannon, Hawkins, Dainja, Goode, Rodgers and Harris all return and they won't have the Sky Clark and Jayden Epps drama. Also like that this is a veteran group with 3 of the transfers being 5th year guys. However, no idea if any of the transfers will be real good. Am hoping Goode can provide some much needed outside shooting next year.
Sounds about right.
If Williams is healthy and can guard close to how he used to, we could be even better but who knows.
Have not seen anything definitive on his status. If he gets his waiver and gets here there will be info coming out this summer I assume.
Otherwise it is PG by committee. Will get us by but not ideal.
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Hard to say how much but we were really hard to watch last year.
Won enough to make tourney and had a couple really big wins, but were brutal most games for long stretches.
I am looking forward to this year.
Yes, yes and yes.
During the season, announcers would often try to excuse our poor play with pinning it on the new pieces that haven't learned to play together yet.
Later on, it would be 'that was not a smart possession. That shot is available at any time in a possession.'
Yet a bricked 3 pt shot, 8 seconds into the shot clock from 6 feet beyond the arc, is nothing more than a unforced turnover. And we already had plenty of games with 16-18, or more, turnovers under our belt.
The season finished with 'the players didn't listen to the coaches.'
We shall see what this season brings.
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With Shannon and Hawkins back I think we did all right overall in the portal. Epps, Melendez, Mayer, and Lieb for Williams, Harmon, Domask, and Guerrier is a clear upgrade in depth at the back end and seems more fitting for our style of play unless Guerrier wants to launch 3s.
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I really don’t really know what to think. I think our floor is probably decently high. A legit PG would certainly bring the ceiling up a fair amount.
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A legit PG would certainly bring the ceiling up a fair amount.
We’ve been hearing this since 2006.
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I really don’t really know what to think. I think our floor is probably decently high. A legit PG would certainly bring the ceiling up a fair amount.
I do recall that last year you wanted a veteran PG pickup as insurance against the disaster we had.
I guess we did go after Williams but Iowa State got him.
Have no clue if he will suit up this year but that is one of the plans.
And they are still looking at other guys.
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I do recall that last year you wanted a veteran PG pickup as insurance against the disaster we had.
I guess we did go after Williams but Iowa State got him.
Have no clue if he will suit up this year but that is one of the plans.
And they are still looking at other guys.
Yeah I was shocked they didn’t bring in a veteran PG of some sort just to steady the ship with the young guys, but probably didn’t want to irk the Clark camp. Lot of good that did.
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Curbelo to Southern Miss. Woof
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Curbelo to Southern Miss. Woof
and yet some people wanted us to bring him back AFTER we got spurned by that RJ guy from Toledo?
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Glad Curbelo's staying in college, I think it'll be good for him.
At one point it sounded like he was going to go play pro ball in South America.
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Glad Curbelo's staying in college, I think it'll be good for him.
At one point it sounded like he was going to go play pro ball in South America.
Certain path to HOF NBA career.
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Certain path to HOF NBA career.
Shots fired at JudgeJudy!
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Certain path to HOF NBA career.
..?
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..?
Judge Judy infamously predicted Curbello would have an HOF NBA career.
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Judge Judy infamously predicted Curbello would have an HOF NBA career.
IDKWTI
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Did the concussion mess Curbelo up or is there more to it?
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Did the concussion mess Curbelo up or is there more to it?
Didn’t help, I suppose. But I’d think there is more to it.
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I'm thinking Belo got a hold of golf's stash one too many times right before practice.
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Judge Judy infamously predicted Curbello would have an HOF NBA career.
:(
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Might be interesting to see how Penn State comes back, they are getting loaded through portal and with new coaching? Who knows who will succeed more, what we do know is that the portal will be possibly the great equalizer moving forward. If true, coaches like Calipari may look very very normal all of a sudden.
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It’s June…
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Kerr Kirsa gonna be available soon with Huggins on the outs?
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I’ll never understand why a person who can clearly afford an Uber would get behind the wheel after having more than a couple drinks. He could have had his car towed home and he wouldn’t miss the money.
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Kerr Kirsa gonna be available soon with Huggins on the outs?
Has he enrolled in summer classes at WVU?
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Did the concussion mess Curbelo up or is there more to it?
From what I gather, Antingua sort of kept him in line that first year.
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I’ll never understand why a person who can clearly afford an Uber would get behind the wheel after having more than a couple drinks. He could have had his car towed home and he wouldn’t miss the money.
Maybe he has a bad rating and people won't pick him up.
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So WVA players will get an extra 30 days to enter the transfer portal. Players who have not previously transferred will not need a waiver. 2nd time transfers would need a waiver or would have to sit. Kerr Kriisa & Jesse Edwards would be eligible immediately w/o a waiver.
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Reeves is back on campus at Kentucky and will play there this upcoming season.
https://sports.yahoo.com/michigan-basketball-misses-kentucky-transfer-162141494.html
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Penn State new team damn.........
https://www.on3.com/college/penn-state-nittany-lions/basketball/2023/industry-comparison-commits/