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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: Reacher on April 17, 2023, 02:19:58 PM
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The draft is right around the corner! Who do you want the Bears to draft?
Might be a bit of a luxury pick, but I’d like to see them take Bijan Robinson. After trading down (hi Custard).
Would love Clancey, but he won’t last. Adeboware sounds good to me 2nd round (if he’s there).
Would love to hear your choices for first and 2nd pick.
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You take Jalen Cater at 9 if he’s there and trade down if he’s not. I would be ok taking Witherspoon at 9 as well.
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You take Jalen Cater at 9 if he’s there and trade down if he’s not. I would be ok taking Witherspoon at 9 as well.
Reasonable.
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Reasonable.
OL or DL. What is going to be left at 9?
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OL or DL. What is going to be left at 9?
Almost everything. Except Alabama guy, Carter, and maybe Tyree Wilson.
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Almost everything. Except Alabama guy, Carter, and maybe Tyree Wilson.
What about the NU OL guy the draft nerds seem to love?
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What about the NU OL guy the draft nerds seem to love?
He's got alligator arms
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He's got alligator arms
He doesn't pay for rounds?
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He doesn't pay for rounds?
Too short to play tackle.
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Too short to play tackle.
Really? Tempo? Care to comment?
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What about the NU OL guy the draft nerds seem to love?
The Packer fan?
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Really? Tempo? Care to comment?
Most experts (coaches, scouts) I’ve heard seem to think arm length is important. The Packer fan kid doesn’t have it. They’ve all said he’d make a terrific guard, and be the most ready OL from day one; but they are very skeptical he’ll play tackle. Let alone LT.
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Most experts (coaches, scouts) I’ve heard seem to think arm length is important. The Packer fan kid doesn’t have it. They’ve all said he’d make a terrific guard, and be the most ready OL from day one; but they are very skeptical he’ll play tackle. Let alone LT.
Is the TN tackle who handled Anderson in the draft?
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Darnell Wright? Yes, he’s the new hotness for the Bears in mock drafts.
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So Judge Judy is the only one “with a guy?”
PAMan? What’s your wishlist?
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So Judge Judy is the only one “with a guy?”
PAMan? What’s your wishlist?
OL or DL. Actually both.
I don't follow the mocks to know who is who.
If the NU guy has alligator arms, the TN dude manhandled Anderson in their game. So there is him, I guess. Is there someone who manhandled Carter?
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If you want to maximize value, you take the best player at the highest paid position.
LT, CB, QB. One of those 3.
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I feel like there’s almost no way Carter falls to 9, but Joe Ostrowski just said Carter is the betting favorite to go at 9. So that’s interesting.
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If you want to maximize value, you take the best player at the highest paid position.
LT, CB, QB. One of those 3.
I would also add pass rusher
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I don't follow college football much at all, but I've seen a whole lot of people comparing Carter to Donald.
Someone that actually follows this closely - if those two guys are at all comparable, why is their production not? For a dude with that kind of hype, Carter's actual production seems very pedestrian to me. Donald had more TFL and twice as many sacks in his first two seasons as Carter has in three. Then as a junior, Donald basically matched Carter's entire career in those stats in one season (same number of TFL, 0.5 less sack) and as a senior he far surpassed Carter's career stats (28.5 TFL Donald's senior year vs. 18.5 in Carter's three years; 11 sacks Donald's senior year vs. 6 in three years for Carter).
Final per-season total for Carter: 6.2 TFL, 2 Sacks.
Final per-season total for Donald: 16.5 TFL, 7.4 Sacks.
I know the SEC's much better than the ACC obviously, but can that explain that massive discrepancy? I'd think Donald was the focal point of the defense too in a way that you couldn't really do with Carter given how much talent Alabama Georgia has.
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I don't follow college football much at all, but I've seen a whole lot of people comparing Carter to Donald.
Someone that actually follows this closely - if those two guys are at all comparable, why is their production not? For a dude with that kind of hype, Carter's actual production seems very pedestrian to me. Donald had more TFL and twice as many sacks in his first two seasons as Carter has in three. Then as a junior, Donald basically matched Carter's entire career in those stats in one season (same number of TFL, 0.5 less sack) and as a senior he far surpassed Carter's career stats (28.5 TFL Donald's senior year vs. 18.5 in Carter's three years; 11 sacks Donald's senior year vs. 6 in three years for Carter).
Final per-season total for Carter: 6.2 TFL, 2 Sacks.
Final per-season total for Donald: 16.5 TFL, 7.4 Sacks.
I know the SEC's much better than the ACC obviously, but can that explain that massive discrepancy? I'd think Donald was the focal point of the defense too in a way that you couldn't really do with Carter given how much talent Alabama has.
Carter played for Georgia, so Alabama's talent shouldn't matter much.
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LOL, I told you upfront I didn't follow this that closely.
Yes, Georgia. Those two programs might as well be the same to me.
I was even looking at his stats page when I typed it. SMDH.
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LOL, I told you upfront I didn't follow this that closely.
Yes, Georgia. Those two programs might as well be the same to me.
I was even looking at his stats page when I typed it. SMDH.
Haha, yeah. Just busting your nuts a little.
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A more accurate comp for Carter is probably Warren Sapp. Size and Stylistically anyway.
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A more accurate comp for Carter is probably Warren Sapp. Size and Stylistically anyway.
Same question then, I guess. Why isn't the production comparable?
Sapp had 3x as many sacks as Carter. Can't find TFL stats for Sapp in college but I think it's safe to guess they were similar.
Why doesn't Carter produce like all the guys he gets compared to? What's the 'thing' that makes him such a good prospect, but not produce like one in college?
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Couldn’t say for sure. I don’t watch college either. But I’ve done some homework this year because it’s not every year the Bears have (had) the 1st pick. One of the red flags on Carter is that he takes plays off.
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Couldn’t say for sure. I don’t watch college either. But I’ve done some homework this year because it’s not every year the Bears have (had) the 1st pick. One of the red flags on Carter is that he takes plays off.
For sure.
I was just surprised - I watched a bit of the CFP and mostly didn't even notice he was on the field, but I knew he was considered an elite prospect so I looked up his numbers. He has not produced like an elite prospect, and I don't get where the disconnect is there.
To be clear, I am not remotely qualified to make that distinction, which is why I asked.
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And judging by the shape he was in on his pro day, he not only takes plays off, but apparently days off. At a time…
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Yeah Carter IS a generational talent at DT, but big question marks on what Tempo stated above. IF (and a big IF) a coaching staff can get and keep him motivated, then he has all the potential in the world. Think Shawn Kemp in the NBA. He was fit and crazy in shape, but then he ballooned up to like 500lbs when not playing. I would definitely take the risk/reward on Carter when picking at 9. As far as production, he doesn’t necessarily make the plays, but sets up others based on being double/triple-teamed by the OL. He is someone the offense schemes around and that in turn opens up others for opportunities to get the credit and numbers they normally wouldn’t get. The experts see this and give him the credit and recognition he deserves based on this. Now, can he stay focused and do that every play?! That’s the disconnect…
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Carter played for Georgia, so Alabama's talent shouldn't matter much.
Alabama's talent on the O line would matter, though.
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Haha, yeah. Just busting your nuts a little.
Just scroll down past it next time!
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Just scroll down past it next time!
Good point.
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To quote the Beatles, "I've got a feeling, a feeling deep inside oh yeah (oh yeah)! Im thinking Poles shocks everyone and drafts Bijan Robinson.
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So I’m listening to conservative talk radio The Score and Mark Grote said “if you take a cornerback at 9 that position would be settled for the next 3-5 years.” You guys think he was making fun of me?
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So I’m listening to conservative talk radio The Score and Mark Grote said “if you take a cornerback at 9 that position would be settled for the next 3-5 years.” You guys think he was making fun of me?
Call in and ask if he is drinking again.
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Bijan Robinson to the Bears is the new big thing on Twitter…
https://twitter.com/dabearsblog/status/1649586131841818626?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Bijan Robinson to the Bears is the new big thing on Twitter…
https://twitter.com/dabearsblog/status/1649586131841818626?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I like it. Agree with the comment the Bears need people who can make "game changing plays." Try and find a trade down partner, draft DL and OL 2nd round. And I'm fairly confident they can get a starter quality OT after cap cuts. Or they even have the capital to trade for an elite tackle. Left or right. This is the upside of having lots of picks and money. Oh, and fuck Ryan Pace.
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Believe I've posted this before, but I really like this clip.
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelAcho/status/1635397118000250880?t=4jHu-XFcg8jP2e_mXN6mVQ&s=19
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“You can find a RB in any round.”
https://twitter.com/theogfantasy/status/1649755198888321026?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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“You can find a RB in any round.”
https://twitter.com/theogfantasy/status/1649755198888321026?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
Than why pick one in the first round?
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Than why pick one in the first round?
Jeebus…
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Jeebus…
They need too much on both lines, Tempo.
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They need an OT to protect the qb. If this one doesn't work out, they'll still need an OT to protect the next one.
Maybe package 2 later picks to get a DL with the 2nd pick.
Draft for need rather than hoping to pick up a serviceable OT later or thru other means than the draft.
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They need too much on both lines, Tempo.
If only they had other draft picks, cap casualties coming up, or trade possibilities in a long-term rebuild. Poles is under a lot of pressure to complete the entire rebuild in one draft class and one free agency period…
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That would be like saying “Tempo, we really need a PG” if Underwood landed a stud PF or C in the transfer portal.
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To quote the Beatles, "I've got a feeling, a feeling deep inside oh yeah (oh yeah)! Im thinking Poles shocks everyone and drafts Bijan Robinson.
Drafting a RB high would be one of the all time worst Bears drafting decisions.
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That would be like saying “Tempo, we really need a PG” if Underwood landed a stud PF or C in the transfer portal.
No it isn't. The portal is not a "draft."
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Drafting a RB high would be one of the all time worst Bears drafting decisions.
You’re apparently pretty unfamiliar with Bears’ drafting history.
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Poles is under a lot of pressure to complete the entire rebuild in one draft class and one free agency period…
No he’s not.
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No it isn't. The portal is not a "draft."
Again. The 1st round isn’t the only place you can get a good player. But it’s probably the only place you’ll find a Bijan Robinson. More than a few people have said he could be the “best player in the draft.” And if you can trade into the teens and still get him, I would in a heartbeat. Yes, upfront matters. But so does having play-making skill position players.
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No he’s not.
According to PAMan he is.
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Let me put it this way. If our 1st round pick was the only avenue to adding help to this years’ team. Yes, I’d say you have to prioritize upfront. But guess not, we have other picks and options.
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Again. The 1st round isn’t the only place you can get a good player. But it’s probably the only place you’ll find a Bijan Robinson. More than a few people have said he could be the “best player in the draft.” And if you can trade into the teens and still get him, I would in a heartbeat. Yes, upfront matters. But so does having play-making skill position players.
Upfront matters more..
If he is the best player in the draft why would he fall to 9?
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No it isn't. The portal is not a "draft."
And it may be easier to get that stud pf or c if there's a pg to run the offense.
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You’re apparently pretty unfamiliar with Bears’ drafting history.
It would be worse than Curtis Enis.
And Tempo, I haven’t followed the bears free agency but your whole argument was cap space for dumping their good players last year.
If they end up with a RB from tanking, and some mediocre free agents, that to me looks like an absolute failure.
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According to PAMan he is.
Straw!
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Upfront matters more..
If he is the best player in the draft why would he fall to 9?
Because an OT or 2 may go before him ?
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Again. The 1st round isn’t the only place you can get a good player. But it’s probably the only place you’ll find a Bijan Robinson. More than a few people have said he could be the “best player in the draft.” And if you can trade into the teens and still get him, I would in a heartbeat. Yes, upfront matters. But so does having play-making skill position players.
Except RBs are among the least valuable positions on a football field.
Put Derrick Henry on last years Bears. How many more games do they win?
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Let me put it this way. If our 1st round pick was the only avenue to adding help to this years’ team. Yes, I’d say you have to prioritize upfront. But guess not, we have other picks and options.
Didn't you also tell us how free agency, since the Bear had so much cap space, was going to help at the WR and other positions? How has that gone?
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Because an OT or 2 may go before him ?
Tempo, Mn is not joking here.
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Didn't you also tell us how free agency, since the Bear had so much cap space, was going to help at the WR and other positions? How has that gone?
I never said FA was gonna help at WR. It was a very poor FA class for the position. He got a difference making WR (and lots of premium draft capital along with him) in a trade. I’m pretty happy with what Poles has done. He seems to be patient and placing an emphasis on value, unlike his predecessor. Yes, he needs stars, but he also needs depth and play-making skill position players. Drafting Robinson could end up being a real coup (particularly if he’s able to trade down). As I said, the first round isn’t the only place they can address the lines. There are good to excellent players in the 2nd round, and if they trade down, they could end up with 3 2nd rounders. And they have next years’ draft picks. I very much like where Poles is going.
And again, you could justify almost any path Poles takes in the 1st round. Minus QB or TE IMO.
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Hell, I’d even say you could maybe justify QB; even though that would be a move totally out of left-field. And it ain’t happening.
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Poles has done an B+ job so far he’s been here. It give him an A if he landed like a Dre’Mont Jones or a difference-making DT in FA. Although I do like that he didn’t overpay on any either. And if he can land Jalen Cater at 9 I forgive him and give him the A. Get the OT and other parts of the lines later in the draft. The rebuild won’t be complete until after next offseason but he’s done a helluva job so far in my opinion.
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Hell, I’d even say you could maybe justify QB; even though that would be a move totally out of left-field. And it ain’t happening.
I’d draft Will Levis and move Fields to RB.
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I’d draft Will Levis and move Fields to RB.
I laughed.
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Poles has done an B+ job so far he’s been here. It give him an A if he landed like a Dre’Mont Jones or a difference-making DT in FA. Although I do like that he didn’t overpay on any either. And if he can land Jalen Cater at 9 I forgive him and give him the A. Get the OT and other parts of the lines later in the draft. The rebuild won’t be complete until after next offseason but he’s done a helluva job so far in my opinion.
All very reasonable.
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I’d draft Will Levis and move Fields to RB.
Lol. If they draft Levis, you trade Fields.
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Unwilling to draft a Bijan Robinson but willing to leave premium draft capital on the table in order to move a 3rd year player to a position he’s never played is probably the best hot take I’ve seen all year.
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Unwilling to draft a Bijan Robinson but willing to leave premium draft capital on the table in order to move a 3rd year player to a position he’s never played is probably the best hot take I’ve seen all year.
He's probably been up all night.
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He's probably been up all night.
I’m disappointed no one likes my monthly bathroom video idea.
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Unwilling to draft a Bijan Robinson but willing to leave premium draft capital on the table in order to move a 3rd year player to a position he’s never played is probably the best hot take I’ve seen all year.
You could trade Fields but you’d only get back a 5th round pick
I’d rather try Fields at RB than have a 5th rounder.
Plus Levis tested out a stronger arm than Josh Allen. His upside is phenomenal.
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You could trade Fields but you’d only get back a 5th round pick
I’d rather try Fields at RB than have a 5th rounder.
Plus Levis tested out a stronger arm than Josh Allen. His upside is phenomenal.
His mechanics are reportedly terrible.
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Peyton Manning seems to think Levis is a freaking stud…
https://predominantlyorange.com/posts/former-denver-broncos-qb-peyton-manning-loves-2023-qb-prospect-
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Peyton Manning seems to think Levis is a freaking stud…
https://predominantlyorange.com/posts/former-denver-broncos-qb-peyton-manning-loves-2023-qb-prospect-
I also like that he had Ivy League offers. If you are smart, and have a strong arm, that’s generally all you need to be a good QB.
I doubt he gets by the Raiders.
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You could trade Fields but you’d only get back a 5th round pick
Lol
I think it’s pretty firmly accepted you'd get a 1st and a 3rd, minimum.
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Josh Rosen was traded for a 2nd and 5th and he sucked royally. Never even flashed.
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Josh Rosen was traded for a 2nd and 5th and he sucked royally. Never even flashed.
But he was an unknown before he was traded. So he could bring more in a trade
Fields is 5-20 as a starter. Can’t throw. Doesn’t elevate his teammates. He’s a known commodity that stinks.
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But he was an unknown before he was traded. So he could bring more in a trade
Fields is 5-20 as a starter. Can’t throw. Doesn’t elevate his teammates. He’s a known commodity that stinks.
LMAO
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Lol
I think it’s pretty firmly accepted you'd get a 1st and a 3rd, minimum.
No one is giving up a 1st round pick for Justin Fields.
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LMAO
Laugh all you want.
5-20 as a starter
Can’t throw the ball.
Nobody would give up a 1st and 3rd for a guy like Daniel Jones. They certainly wouldn’t for Fields.
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The Cardinals had already drafted Kyler Murray and didn’t even have leverage and got that for Rosen. Google Justin Fields trade return. Literally no one but internet bums thinks Fields would only return a 5th round pick.
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After checking several links, this is the WORST proposed return I’ve seen for Fields.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Qt53G8LC/F9-FC2123-6-AB3-4026-A2-B1-359-F81161-C17.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1n9TDZ31)
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Laugh all you want.
5-20 as a starter
Can’t throw the ball.
Nobody would give up a 1st and 3rd for a guy like Daniel Jones. They certainly wouldn’t for Fields.
Hey dumbshitnick, you realize Poles literally tore the fucking roster down around him last year, right? Pay the fare and get a boat off of PAMan Island.
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Fields is younger, cheaper, and offers more control to the team. And has higher upside, dumbshitnick.
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Hey dumbshitnick, you realize Poles literally tore the fucking roster down around him last year, right? Pay the fare and get a boat off of PAMan Island.
Welcome...to PAMan Island!
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Who else can remember a season (any team in NFL history), that traded away their 3 best players in one season? I’ll hang up and listen.
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Welcome...to PAMan Island!
(https://i.postimg.cc/Nj1PRdhy/824-C0-A31-568-A-4411-AA7-E-BF043-DFBA21-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yD8PHX8B)
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Who else can remember a season (any team in NFL history), that trade away their 3 best players in one season? I’ll hang up and listen.
Jack Sanborn wasn't traded.
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Jack Sanborn wasn't traded.
Exactly.
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Pretty hilarious there are people still railing on Fields for not winning when the Bears literally stripped the team down and had like half the team on one year contracts. Many of them starters or key rotational pieces.
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Pretty hilarious there are people still railing on Fields for not winning when the Bears literally stripped the team down and had like half the team on one year contracts. Many of them starters or key rotational pieces.
He has not been good throwing the ball.
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But he was an unknown before he was traded. So he could bring more in a trade
Fields is 5-20 as a starter. Can’t throw. Doesn’t elevate his teammates. He’s a known commodity that stinks.
The Cardinals knew enough to know they didn’t want him (and drafted someone else). That could have been a red flag to the rest of the league…
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He has not been good throwing the ball.
People said the same about Hurts and Allen their first two years. And Fields has had even less help than they did.
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Fields’ passer rating is almost exactly what Hurts and Allen’s were their first two seasons. And again, has had to deal with Matt Nagy and a new system 2nd year. And less talent around him.
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Yeah, but how many squats can Fields do viz a viz Hurts?
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Yeah, but how many squats can Fields do viz a viz Hurts?
If only Fields were more of a physical specimen.
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Philadelphia modified their O to suit Hurts, they had a great D, and it did not hurt that they were usually beating teams by at least 14 points at half time.
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If only Fields were more of a physical specimen.
I'd prefer that he read defenses better.
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I'd prefer that he read defenses better.
Clearly. Among 30 others things you’d like him to do better.
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Getsy has “his guy.”
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/22/bears-oc-luke-getsy-on-justin-fields-we-got-our-guy/
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Lol.
"Maybe now national analysts will move off the topic of trading the quarterback, but don’t hold your breath."
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Lol.
"Maybe now national analysts will move off the topic of trading the quarterback, but don’t hold your breath."
I think they’ve been off that for a while now. Especially since the #1 pick was traded.
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Maybe, maybe not.
Tell it to the writer of today's bearswire article.
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Fields is younger, cheaper, and offers more control to the team. And has higher upside, dumbshitnick.
3 years control of a bottom 10 QB. That’s not valuable.
Why would a team give up a 1st round pick for a Justin Fields when any team could sign a Baker Mayfield level QB in free agency?
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3 years control of a bottom 10 QB. That’s not valuable.
Why would a team give up a 1st round pick for a Justin Fields when any team could sign a Baker Mayfield level QB in free agency?
Lol. Either really dumb or quality troll work.
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Lol. Either really dumb or quality troll work.
Justin Fields is a bottom 10 NFL QB. By most statistical measures.
Very few teams would want him as their starter over a guy like Baker Mayfield even on a cheap salary.
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Justin Fields is a bottom 10 NFL QB. By most statistical measures.
Very few teams would want him as their starter over a guy like Baker Mayfield even on a cheap salary.
Lmao
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Baker Mayfield is on his 4th team in 2 seasons. Why? Because he sucks.
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Baker Mayfield is in the same exact basket as Mitch Trubisky right now. Cheap band-aid quarterback until you find your next guy.
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Mike Glennon got a better contract from the Bears 7 years ago than Mayfield got from Tampa.
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It is almost draft week!
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In Superfan voice: “not true, you can only find linemen in the 1st round.”
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2023/4/23/23693292/chicago-bears-nfl-draft-three-day-two-tackle-options-matthew-bergeron-jaylen-duncan-blake-freeland
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We'll be better off without 1 of the top 6 linemen.
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We'll be better off without 1 of the top 6 linemen.
Maybe we’ll be better off with a guy some say is the best running back to come out in the last 5 years.
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Would hate to have a guy who can do this. Because you can only find good blockers in round 1 of the draft.
https://youtu.be/AHXWNM7-40c
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Maybe we’ll be better off with a guy some say is the best running back to come out in the last 5 years.
If that is the case, he won't be there at 9 or later.
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Man, the vision and the receiving skills. Love it.
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I'll go with the "we'll be better off with" as opposed to the "maybe".
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If that is the case, he won't be there at 9 or later.
He’s projected to be mid to late 1st round. Of course, anything could happen. But if he’s selected first 8 that would be a fairly big surprise.
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He’s projected to be mid to late 1st round. Of course, anything could happen. But if he’s selected first 8 that would be a fairly big surprise.
So would 9.
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So would 9.
One of the reasons I’ve been beating the drum for trading down (Hi, Custard).
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All of the bases have been covered.
Carter, Andersen, Robinson, cb, qb, trade down ....
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All of the bases have been covered.
Carter, Andersen, Robinson, cb, qb, trade down ....
Wouldn't be surprised...
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All of the bases have been covered.
Carter, Andersen, Robinson, cb, qb, trade down ....
Can always count on you to add interesting/entertaining discussion
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Wouldn’t be against this, but all of the bases have been covered. So don’t know why I’d share this, but I will.
https://dawindycity.com/2023/04/19/chicago-bears-mock-draft-trade-steelers-kancey-harrison/2/
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I love Cancey, but I get the feeling the Bears aren’t going for him. They seem to be infatuated with length. Like a lot of women.
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Although I’d say probably even more women prefer width.
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3-5 inches would put him at the top of arm length, instead of near the bottom.
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Although I’d say probably even more women prefer width.
Look at you, a white male speaking for women. You should be ashamed of yourself…
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Look at you, a white male speaking for women. You should be ashamed of yourself…
Who says I’m not?
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Who says I’m not?
Ashamed of yourself or a white male?
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Ashamed of yourself or a white male?
Both.
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Shouldn’t every white male be ashamed of himself?
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Baker Mayfield is in the same exact basket as Mitch Trubisky right now. Cheap band-aid quarterback until you find your next guy.
How many years will it take of poor Justin Fields QB’ing to make you believe he also is in the backup QB/poor starter level?
That’s my whole argument.
Tell me what’s the difference between Baker Mayfield and Justin Fields? One is 5-20 as a starter. The other is 31-39. You can argue both have played on bad teams. One did quite a bit better though.
And if you think they are of similar value, and you think Baker sucks, then obviously Fields must also.
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How many years will it take of poor Justin Fields QB’ing to make you believe he also is in the backup QB/poor starter level?
That’s my whole argument.
Tell me what’s the difference between Baker Mayfield and Justin Fields? One is 5-20 as a starter. The other is 31-39. You can argue both have played on bad teams. One did quite a bit better though.
And if you think they are of similar value, and you think Baker sucks, then obviously Fields must also.
Lol. So you were writing Hurts and Allen off after their 2nd years? You seriously are football illiterate. Maybe stick to basketball where some of your opinions are at least defensible. .
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Dumbshitnic seriously isn’t smart enough to understand that Ryan Poles was literally tearing down the roster last year.
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Anyone who expected the Bears “to win” when they were trading away their best players and had a bunch of stop gap players on one year deals is a bonafide football moron.
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It’s a fucking miracle they were competitive most games
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So is Fields’ contract up after this next year or the year after?
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So is Fields’ contract up after this next year or the year after?
Is this the last year of his rookie contract? I said word salad above. When is he due an extension or a free agent?
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Shouldn’t every white male be ashamed of himself?
I’m actually pretty sure you’re being serious here.
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He is.
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Lol. So you were writing Hurts and Allen off after their 2nd years? You seriously are football illiterate. Maybe stick to basketball where some of your opinions are at least defensible. .
No I was writing off guys like Sam Darnold.
Nobody is trading a 1st round pick for Sam Darnold. Neither Trubisky. Neither Mayfield.
Great QBs elevate the team. Fields doesn’t. Darnold didn’t. Trubisky didn’t. Mayfield did early in his career at least.
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Anyone who expected the Bears “to win” when they were trading away their best players and had a bunch of stop gap players on one year deals is a bonafide football moron.
I expect franchise QBs to elevate their franchise. Fieids went 5-20.
Fields isn’t Troy Aikman.
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It’s a fucking miracle they were competitive most games
They weren’t competitive in most games. Played from far behind which let Fields work against soft prevent defense, and even in that situation his stats were bad.
I’ll make a prediction.
Kenny Pickett will win more NFL games than Fields does.
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I’m actually pretty sure you’re being serious here.
Well, a) there are no ALL CAPS, but b) as has been well established here, you cannot take the words he types to form sentences to actually reflect his thoughts.
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Is this the last year of his rookie contract? I said word salad above. When is he due an extension or a free agent?
Never mind I googled it. That’s an extremely good contract and he’s locked up for the next two years with a 5th-year option if we need. Build around him like they are. This season will tell a lot, but if he flops this year and we have a chance to get Caleb Williams I’m all for it. Otherwise if he shows progression, you keep him another year after this one.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/justin-fields-72391/
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Never mind I googled it. That’s an extremely good contract and he’s locked up for the next two years with a 5th-year option if we need. Build around him like they are. This season will tell a lot, but if he flops this year and we have a chance to get Caleb Williams I’m all for it. Otherwise if he shows progression, you keep him another year after this one.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/justin-fields-72391/
I'm not sure "we've got dibs" is how the draft works. Unless, of course, the Bear gets the #1 pick again.
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I'm not sure "we've got dibs" is how the draft works. Unless, of course, the Bear gets the #1 pick again.
With Carolina’s pick and our own next year, we’d have a helluva shot at Williams if needed.
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Is this the last year of his rookie contract? I said word salad above. When is he due an extension or a free agent?
He’s got 3 years left
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I expect franchise QBs to elevate their franchise. Fieids went 5-20.
Fields isn’t Troy Aikman.
Well you’re a dumbfucknic, so there is that.
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With Carolina’s pick and our own next year, we’d have a helluva shot at Williams if needed.
Hopefully Carolina takes Stroud.
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He’s got 3 years left
Hopefully he gets his act together, and does his squats, or else it will be a long 2 years.
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FTR Dumbfucknic, Aikman went 7-19 as a starter his first two years. And without looking at the rosters, probably had at least a few building blocks to the SB winning core. Dumbfucknic.
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I’m actually pretty sure you’re being serious here.
Well, sometimes you’re a dumbass (like us all), so there’s that.
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He is.
Lol
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No I was writing off guys like Sam Darnold.
Nobody is trading a 1st round pick for Sam Darnold. Neither Trubisky. Neither Mayfield.
Great QBs elevate the team. Fields doesn’t. Darnold didn’t. Trubisky didn’t. Mayfield did early in his career at least.
Darnold retrieved a 2nd, 4th, and 6th and everyone knew he was broken, Dumbfucknic.
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They weren’t competitive in most games. Played from far behind which let Fields work against soft prevent defense, and even in that situation his stats were bad.
I’ll make a prediction.
Kenny Pickett will win more NFL games than Fields does.
I’m pretty sure that’s incorrect. The Bears got blown out about 3x probably. I’ll make a prediction. Kenny Pickett sucks. Or is slightly better than the shitty Baker Mayfield who’s on his 4th team in two years.
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I'm not sure "we've got dibs" is how the draft works. Unless, of course, the Bear gets the #1 pick again.
Where did someone say “we got dibs?”
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With Carolina’s pick and our own next year, we’d have a helluva shot at Williams if needed.
Unless they have the 1st or 2nd pick, I wouldn’t think so. It’ll take 5 high picks to get him. It would be costly.
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Hopefully Carolina takes Stroud.
Hopefully Carolina goes 0-17.
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Hopefully Carolina goes 0-17.
Taking a tOSU and they will have a chance.
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I think there’s a reasonable chance they are pretty bad. The heavy favorite is Bryce Young.
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If I’m forced to guess, i think Stroud will be the best QB in this class.
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If I’m forced to guess, i think Stroud will be the best QB in this class.
Why would you say that? Name a decent QB tOSU has produced since Mike Tomczak. Joe Burrows does not count.....
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Why would you say that? Name a decent QB tOSU has produced since Mike Tomczak. Joe Burrows does not count.....
WTF would the 1980s have to do with NFL prospects today? And you call me the meatball…
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I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that “Burrows” is a typo.
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Why would you say that? Name a decent QB tOSU has produced since Mike Tomczak. Joe Burrows does not count.....
I’d say that became Young us SM-All (Cannon Ball Run reference for us gen Xers). I worry about how small he is.
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I wanna add “Justin Fields went 5-20 his first two years. He’s no Troy Aikman, who went 7-19” so bad.
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WTF would the 1980s have to do with NFL prospects today? And you call me the meatball…
Would you rather start with the Urban Meyer and Ryan Day period first? I'm saying Tomczak is the last QB from OSU to do anything, which is not saying much.
They just do not seem to run an offense that produces decent NFL QBs.
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I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that “Burrows” is a typo.
It is the other side of the calling it Jewels or Soldiers Field coin.
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I wanna add “Justin Fields went 5-20 his first two years. He’s no Troy Aikman, who went 7-19” so bad.
Yeah, but what are the W-L records of the RGs for both teams during that time?
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Would you rather start with the Urban Meyer and Ryan Day period first? I'm saying Tomczak is the last QB from OSU to do anything, which is not saying much.
They just do not seem to run an offense that produces decent NFL QBs.
Tomczak was an objectively bad NFL quarterback. And I loved Mike Tomczak. Some quarterback who failed 8 years ago, or even longer, has pretty much nothing to do with who will be good in 2024.
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Yeah, but what are the W-L records of the RGs for both teams during that time?
You’re just as stupid as Dumbfucknic. Same exact fucking logic.
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I’d say that became Young us SM-All (Cannon Ball Run reference for us gen Xers). I worry about how small he is.
You lost me on this one. Cannon Ball Run with Burt Reynolds? That was a one and done viewing for me.
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You’re just as stupid as Dumbfucknic. Same exact fucking logic.
I'm not the one who made the argument about player W-L records.
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Tomczak was an objectively bad NFL quarterback. And I loved Mike Tomczak. Some quarterback who failed 8 years ago, or even longer, has pretty much nothing to do with who will be good in 2024.
And yet, he is the best NFL QB that OSU has produced in the past 40 years.
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Would you rather start with the Urban Meyer and Ryan Day period first? I'm saying Tomczak is the last QB from OSU to do anything, which is not saying much.
They just do not seem to run an offense that produces decent NFL QBs.
Which program has produced consistently good NFL QBs lately? Alabama? Who just simply signs a 5 star QB every year? Pretty much all of college is running the spread. Or so I’ve read.
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And yet, he is the best NFL QB that OSU has produced in the past 40 years.
I’m thinking it’s a good thing you’re not an NFL GM if you’re wrapped up in what tOSU players from 40, 26, and 7 years ago did in the NFL.
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Which program has produced consistently good NFL QBs lately? Alabama? Who just simply signs a 5 star QB every year? Pretty much all of college is running the spread. Or so I’ve read.
Have to say that the QBs Alabama has produced have been better than those produced by OSU. Now, who has OSU produced since Mike Tomczak that makes you confident that Stroud will be the best QB in this draft. The answer could be none, that's fine.
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I’m thinking it’s a good thing you’re not an NFL GM if you’re wrapped up in what tOSU players from 26 years ago did in the NFL.
I know this is tough for you, but I am obviously including even all of the OSU QBs in the last decade who were in the NFL when saying Mike Tomczak was better than all of them. That is the point. OSU has not produced a decent QB in more than 40 years.
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I know this is tough for you, but I am obviously including even all of the OSU QBs in the last decade who were in the NFL when saying Mike Tomczak was better than all of them. That is the point. OSU has not produced a decent QB in more than 40 years.
Which has basically zero influence on whether or not Stroud will be good.
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Illinois’ rich tradition does though compared to Arizona State’s…
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Which has basically zero influence on whether or not Stroud will be good.
Neither Ryan Day nor Urban Meyer have produced an NFL ready QB. The offense they both have run has not been conducive to producing an NFL ready QB.
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Which has basically zero influence on whether or not Stroud will be good.
History says otherwise.
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Illinois’ rich tradition does though compared to Arizona State’s…
This will go right over his head.
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Why the fuck would Troy Smith, Dwayne Haskins, and Terrelle Pryor have any influence how good CH Stroud is. I guarantee you NFL GMs are not worried about Dwayne Haskins and JT Barrett.
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And Urban Meyer chose the 5 star over the 3 star Joe Burrow....
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Illinois’ rich tradition does though compared to Arizona State’s…
That’s not an apples to apples comparison at all.
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Why the fuck would Troy Smith, Dwayne Haskins, and Terrelle Pryor have any influence how good CH Stroud is. I guarantee you NFL GMs are not worried about Dwayne Haskins and JT Barrett.
Because they ran the same system at OSU as Stroud.
Stroud apparently not the smartest tool in the shed, either.
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Illinois’ rich tradition does though compared to Arizona State’s…
Probably Oklahoma has produced the best quarterbacks. So just draft whoever their quarterback is in the 1st round, amirite? Better hope you’re getting Troy Aikman instead of Sam Bradford, Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray…
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“Tradition” in college win loss numbers has everything to do with production IN COLLEGE. “Tradition” in which a college produces quarterbacks at the next level isn’t nearly as meaningful.
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Probably Oklahoma has produced the best quarterbacks. So just draft whoever their quarterback is in the 1st round, amirite? Better hope you’re getting Troy Aikman instead of Sam Bradford, Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray…
Very Spurrier-esque list of systems QBs there. Though you neglected to list Hurts...
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Because they ran the same system at OSU as Stroud.
Stroud apparently not the smartest tool in the shed, either.
Neither was Bradshaw or Favre.
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“Tradition” in college win loss numbers has everything to do with production IN COLLEGE. “Tradition” in which a college produces quarterbacks at the next level isn’t nearly as meaningful.
You used ALL CAPS, so unsure how much to believe in what you wrote. Instead of tradition, try "systems." Steve Spurrier produced a lot of systems QBs that were not very good NFL QBs. OSU has produced a lot of systems QBs who have not been either.
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Very Spurrier-esque list of systems QBs there. Though you neglected to list Hurts...
Kewl. 2 in 40 years. Sounds SUPER bankable. Just draft the QB of Oklahoma every year round 1 sounds like a great strategy to building a franchise.
Both of those guys spent time at other programs btw. So maybe “Burrows” should count for tOSU.
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Neither was Bradshaw or Favre.
That is very true. Were they systems QBs in college?
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I didn’t watch either of them in college. But they had raw tools. Which is what Stroud has.
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Kewl. 2 in 40 years. Sounds SUPER bankable. Just draft the QB of Oklahoma every year round 1 sounds like a great strategy to building a franchise.
Both of those guys spent time at other programs btw. So maybe “Burrows” should count for tOSU.
I just said they were systems QBs at OK. Hurts they put the "system" in place for him last year at the Eagles. It worked, especially with the defense they had and their ability to be up at least 14 at half in most of their games.
Burrow never played at OSU, did he?
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I’m just trolling…
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Man, if the Bears had just drafted 5 or 6 Oklahoma quarterbacks in the 1st round the last 30 years things would have been soooo much different.
Having said that, I was pounding the table for Hurts when he came out.
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I’m just trolling…
PAMan didn’t think so.
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I didn’t watch either of them in college. But they had raw tools. Which is what Stroud has.
In fact, I believe you have said you do not watch much college football.
Of course most of them all have the raw tools. Isn't Richardson out of FL thought to have the most raw tools?
The issue is trying to figure out who can master reading defenses etc. Can anyone really say that Peyton Manning had all the raw tools?
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PAMan didn’t think so.
Of course he was trolling
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Man, if the Bears had just drafted 5 or 6 Oklahoma quarterbacks in the 1st round the last 30 years things would have been soooo much different.
No, it would not have. They were all systems guys.
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Having said that, I was pounding the table for Hurts when he came out.
I don't remember that, but Ok.
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Pounding something else since jfc was available.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/ohio-state-buckeyes-houston-texans-nfl-draft-cj-stroud-bust-s2-test
“Stroud scored 18,” the executive told. “That is like red alert, red alert, you can’t take a guy like that. That is why I have Stroud as a bust. That in conjunction with the fact, name one Ohio State quarterback that’s ever done it in the league.”
Man, the fucking Google is spying on me....
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Pounding something else since jfc was available.
Now that is a funny joke, Mn.
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Of course he was trolling
Yeah. Right. You were buying in. Either that or you’re trolling. Which I doubt you are, because you’re dumb enough to buy into the narrative that Terrelle Pryor, and Dwayne Haskins weren’t good so that means Stroud can’t be good.
Regarding Richardson. Yes, the most tools, but also probably the most raw. Probably has a high floor a la Fields and Hurts of a year ago. His college passing data is far inferior to Fields’ so we’ll see what Richardson can do as a passer in the NFL. Not ruling him out. But I think Stroud is likely the “safest” of the top 4 this class.
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Now that is a funny joke, Mn.
He’s had better.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/ohio-state-buckeyes-houston-texans-nfl-draft-cj-stroud-bust-s2-test
“Stroud scored 18,” the executive told. “That is like red alert, red alert, you can’t take a guy like that. That is why I have Stroud as a bust. That in conjunction with the fact, name one Ohio State quarterback that’s ever done it in the league.”
Man, the fucking Google is spying on me....
(https://i.postimg.cc/3w6Pp0vS/B15-E8-E1-D-BF50-426-D-A281-8-F3190-D2-F46-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3yXSQR9m)
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Yeah. Right. You were buying in. Either that or you’re trolling. Which I doubt you are, because you’re dumb enough to buy into the narrative that Terrelle Pryor, and Dwayne Haskins weren’t good so that means Stroud can’t be good.
Regarding Richardson. Yes, the most tools, but also probably the most raw. Probably has a high floor a la Fields and Hurts of a year ago. His college passing data is far inferior to Fields’ so we’ll see what Richardson can do as a passer in the NFL. Not ruling him out. But I think Stroud is likely the “safest” of the top 4 this class.
I'll take the flip side. I bet he is going to need a lot of work like the rest of the OSU QBs. QB coaching at OSU is not good enough to produce NFL quality starting QBs.
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I'll take the flip side. I bet he is going to need a lot of work like the rest of the OSU QBs. QB coaching at OSU is not good enough to produce NFL quality starting QBs.
Which current program is your QB factory of choice?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/3w6Pp0vS/B15-E8-E1-D-BF50-426-D-A281-8-F3190-D2-F46-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3yXSQR9m)
This was not the Wonderlic test. Stroud took the S2.
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Which current program is your QB factory of choice?
I don't believe there is one. I cannot point to one.
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I don't believe there is one. I cannot point to one.
You just basically made my point. Thanks.
I’ll also add, I’m not convinced any of these QBs will be superstars. They have potential but none are can’t miss. Young will probably be really good if his size doesn’t limit him.
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You just basically made my point. Thanks.
I’ll also add, I’m not convinced any of these QBs will be superstars. They have potential but none are can’t miss. Young will probably be really good if his size doesn’t limit him.
That was not your point.
That being said, I can tell you the odds are to avoid OSU QBs as they generally suck, despite their raw tools.
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That was not your point.
That being said, I can tell you the odds are to avoid OSU QBs as they generally suck, despite their raw tools.
The point is there are no “safe” qb schools. And the other half of the point is Craig Krenzel and JT Barrett don’t have shit to do with whether or not CJ Stroud will be good in the NFL.
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The point is there are no “safe” qb schools. And the other half of the point is Craig Krenzel and JT Barrett don’t have shit to do with whether or not CJ Stroud will be good in the NFL.
I think that is where you are wrong. You look at college passing stats and declare this guy as good or better than that guy. That does not matter when you have OSU, or OK, or FLA Spurrier systems guys.
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You just basically made my point. Thanks.
I’ll also add, I’m not convinced any of these QBs will be superstars. They have potential but none are can’t miss. Young will probably be really good if his size doesn’t limit him.
And why is Young highly thought of?
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I have a feeling Young is gonna have concussion issues much like Tua because of his size. They’re gonna get tossed around like rag dolls.
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I think that is where you are wrong. You look at college passing stats and declare this guy as good or better than that guy. That does not matter when you have OSU, or OK, or FLA Spurrier systems guys.
No. I look at college statss for what they are. That someone was actually a good (or bad) passer on advanced level. I don’t think great college passing automatically translates to good or great NFL passing. But it’s a check in the box.
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And why is Young highly thought of?
Some people say he’s Drew Brees with mobility.
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Here’s the value I place on good passing in college. It’s a frame of reference or a starting point to being a good passer in the NFL. Guarantees nothing. But I don’t think the list of poor college passers/great NFL passers is very long.
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Darnold retrieved a 2nd, 4th, and 6th and everyone knew he was broken, Dumbfucknic.
2nd, 4th, and 6th isn’t a 1st.
And people know Fields is broke. He’s 5-20 as a starter. It doesn’t get any more broken than that.
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Probably Oklahoma has produced the best quarterbacks. So just draft whoever their quarterback is in the 1st round, amirite? Better hope you’re getting Troy Aikman instead of Sam Bradford, Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray…
All 4 are better than Fields.
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2nd, 4th, and 6th isn’t a 1st.
And people know Fields is broke. He’s 5-20 as a starter. It doesn’t get any more broken than that.
It’s a hell of a lot more than nothing. And a hell of a lot more than a 5th.
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2nd, 4th, and 6th isn’t a 1st.
And people know Fields is broke. He’s 5-20 as a starter. It doesn’t get any more broken than that.
You are so fucking stupid. You HAVE to be trolling. Tell me you understand that the Bears were one of the 2-3 least talented teams last, and that Poles clearly was tearing the roster down so he could rebuild it. You cannot be this dumb.
Oh, and again, Troy Aikman was 7-19 his first two years. Or that that “considerably better than 5-20?” When Fields literally had what was left of the talent sent packing.
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It’s pretty unbelievable to me that people could look at that roster, which Poles was clearly dismantling on purpose and think that “winning games” was a reasonable expectation for a 2nd year quarterback learning a new system.
This roster had already showed how mediocre they were before they started shipping what was left of their best players off.
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No. I look at college statss for what they are. That someone was actually a good (or bad) passer on advanced level. I don’t think great college passing automatically translates to good or great NFL passing. But it’s a check in the box.
Tempo, what do you think about this?
If there is a question without an answer, is it how do you guarantee if a college QB will be good in the NFL?
I don't see what stats can tell you. Talking last 10 years, we know the tOSU has not generated any QBs so far (and neither did Spurrier). Hurts came out of OK, but, was at Alabama first and we know why he left AL and the OK guys appear to be systems guys. USC? They had a run of guys, right, that were busts. Was Carson Palmer ok until he got hurt?
The GOAT didn't get to play until Drew Bledsoe got hurt, right?
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Some people say he’s Drew Brees with mobility.
And what made Drew Brees good? Could anticipate guys getting open and make throws before they were actually open? Read defenses?
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It’s pretty unbelievable to me that people could look at that roster, which Poles was clearly dismantling on purpose and think that “winning games” was a reasonable expectation for a 2nd year quarterback learning a new system.
This roster had already showed how mediocre they were before they started shipping what was left of their best players off.
The issue is that he has looked bad at basic passing. He has not shown that he can make throws where he anticipates guys getting open when the ball is to arrive. He has held the ball too long.
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Tempo, what do you think about this?
If there is a question without an answer, is it how do you guarantee if a college QB will be good in the NFL?
I don't see what stats can tell you. Talking last 10 years, we know the tOSU has not generated any QBs so far (and neither did Spurrier). Hurts came out of OK, but, was at Alabama first and we know why he left AL and the OK guys appear to be systems guys. USC? They had a run of guys, right, that were busts. Was Carson Palmer ok until he got hurt?
The GOAT didn't get to play until Drew Bledsoe got hurt, right?
I’m not really sure what your point was, but I’d say that points to the randomness of evaluating and the very overlooked DEVELOPING of quarterbacks. And I think you’re arguing your case @ tOSU quarterbacks. Seems like there’s no infallible secret sauce. Especially when someone isn’t a can’t miss like Peyton Manning, of which there are very few. Would Mahomes be Mahomes if he went to the Bears? Probably still good, but probably not what he is currently.
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I’m not really sure what your point was, but I’d say that points to the randomness of evaluating and the very overlooked DEVELOPING of quarterbacks. And I think you’re arguing your case @ tOSU quarterbacks. Seems like there’s no infallible secret sauce. Especially when someone isn’t a can’t miss like Peyton Manning, of which there are very few. Would Mahomes be Mahomes if he went to the Bears? Probably still good, but probably not what he is currently.
The point is even the experts don't know shit. But, I think, we can extrapolate a few things, here and there, based on college programs over time. One is that OSU coaches have done a shit job developing NFL ready QBs. We can say the same about OK and USC coaches. What does that say about a guy like Caleb Williams? Is Lincoln Riley just a systems guy? We will find out.
No one knew Brady would be The GOAT. Not even Belichick.
Did everyone overlook Brock Purdy? Or is Shanahan just a systems guy? I have no clue.
(And the 49er even picked Trey Lance! So they are not infallible. )
Good question re Mahomes.
If you remember, there was a debate at the time Leaf versus Payton Manning as the 1st pick...
It looks like it is all a crap shoot.
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Shanahan is definitely a system guy. A quarterback friendly system guy. That’s why he consistently gets guys to produce at the position. As you say, it’s a crapshoot, so I don’t know why I’d let failed quarterbacks from 10-30 years ago influence my thought process if I was a scout or GM.
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Shanahan is definitely a system guy. A quarterback friendly system guy. That’s why he consistently gets guys to produce at the position. As you say, it’s a crapshoot, so I don’t know why I’d let failed quarterbacks from 10-30 years ago influence my thought process if I was a scout or GM.
Because there are some things that have been consistent over the past decade, no?
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It’s pretty unbelievable to me that people could look at that roster, which Poles was clearly dismantling on purpose and think that “winning games” was a reasonable expectation for a 2nd year quarterback learning a new system.
This roster had already showed how mediocre they were before they started shipping what was left of their best players off.
The Bears have a bad QB and a bad roster. That’s why they were the worst team in the NFL last year.
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15 Teams (QB) who would definitely not trade their current QB for Fields:
Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Rodgers
Hurts
Jackson
Watson
Stafford
Goff
Purdy
Herbert
Cousins
Tua
Lawrence
Prescott
7 teams (QB) who probably wouldn’t:
Daniel Jones
Kyler Murray
Mac Jones
Russell Wilson
Ryan Tannehill
Baker Mayfield
Kenny Pickett
So again, at best Justin Fields is a bottom 7 or 8 QB in the league
I just named 22 other QBs he wouldn’t start over. And that doesn’t include this years draft of several
guys who are better
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In order to trigger Tempo the most, I want the Bears to draft Stetson Bennett.
I think Bennett is the perfect backup QB. He’s used to being a backup that overcame all odds to go from walk-on to starter for 2 national title teams. And it’s be a nice kick n the ass to Fields. When you got Peterman behind you, there’s no incentive to improve. Stetson would be perfect in that role at an affordable draft pick
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Because there are some things that have been consistent over the past decade, no?
You talking about tOSU quarterbacks again? Each player is different. I’m going to evaluate CJ Stroud on his own merits. Not JT Barrett’s or Dwayne Hawkins’.
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Question for ThePAMan:
Let’s say Justin Fields has a terrible year and the Bears have the first pick in next years’ draft. Would you take a pass on Caleb Williams because Sam Darnold, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez, Cody Kessler, Matt Barkley, Rodney Peete, Sean Salisbury, Vince Evans and Todd Marinovich all sucked?
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Question for ThePAMan:
Let’s say Justin Fields has a terrible year and the Bears have the first pick in next years’ draft. Would you take a pass on Caleb Williams because Sam Darnold, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez, Cody Kessler, Matt Barkley, Rodney Peete, Sean Salisbury, Vince Evans and Todd Marinovich all sucked?
The difference is the different coaching staffs at USC which now has Lincoln Riley. A smarter question would have been using Riley's OK QBs as comps. But yes, given Riley as a common denominator of sorts, there should be pause for concern.
OSU has been consistent in the offense it has used since Urban. Ergo the problem with OSU QBs over time.
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Lol
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I have to say, the level of fan analysis going on in this forum is absolutely first rate. You’ve got PAMan and Dumbfucknic who are absolutely convinced Justin Fields is the reason the Bears have sucked the last two years. Mn, who’s admitted he’d have rather won a couple of more games and been drafting 10th; and Custard who is absolutely sure that the Bears are hopeless as long as the McCaskeys are around. Love this place.
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It makes the Chicago Bears message board forum circa 2003-04 (the dumbest message board I’ve ever posted on) look like a bunch of Mensas rooted in reality.
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To quote the Beatles, "I've got a feeling, a feeling deep inside oh yeah (oh yeah)! Im thinking Poles shocks everyone and drafts Bijan Robinson.
This would be hilarious, no?
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This would be hilarious, no?
Why would it be hilarious?
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I think I have since lost that feeling though, my guess would be Poles drafts defensive line first pick
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My heart says Robinson, but if forced to lay $100 on it, I’d say DL is a slight favorite, OT and CB about equal second choices. Then RB and WR.
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The difference is the different coaching staffs at USC which now has Lincoln Riley. A smarter question would have been using Riley's OK QBs as comps. But yes, given Riley as a common denominator of sorts, there should be pause for concern.
OSU has been consistent in the offense it has used since Urban. Ergo the problem with OSU QBs over time.
Yes. Lincoln Riley has a long history of developing successful NFL QBs.
List:
Jalen Hurts (1 year), who kind of sucked his first two years in the NFL.
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Yes. Lincoln Riley has a long history of developing successful NFL QBs.
List:
Jalen Hurts (1 year), who kind of sucked his first two years in the NFL.
Which is the point if you were not so blind.
Baker and Murray his guys too. Hurts was there a year?
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I think I have since lost that feeling though, my guess would be Poles drafts defensive line first pick
You lost the feeling after getting piled on here.
Or was there an intervening Parkins tweet?
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I have to say, the level of fan analysis going on in this forum is absolutely first rate. You’ve got PAMan and Dumbfucknic who are absolutely convinced Justin Fields is the reason the Bears have sucked the last two years. Mn, who’s admitted he’d have rather won a couple of more games and been drafting 10th; and Custard who is absolutely sure that the Bears are hopeless as long as the McCaskeys are around. Love this place.
Well constructed strawmen here.
The Bears sucked regardless of JFC. JFC being a terrible passing QB did not help.
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Lol
This is called a Tempo Lay Down
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Which is the point if you were not so blind.
Baker and Murray his guys too. Hurts was there a year?
Would you be happy with Caleb Williams if he were the next Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray?
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Which is the point if you were not so blind.
Wait, “the point” was what exactly?
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Well constructed strawmen here.
The Bears sucked regardless of JFC. JFC being a terrible passing QB did not help.
You can’t rail on Fields the way you do, claim he’s the reason the Bears play the way they play, cite his record as a reason for why he’s a failure, and say “it’s all about the quarterback,” and then also get to say “the Bears sucked regardless.”
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You lost the feeling after getting piled on here.
Or was there an intervening Parkins tweet?
Trust me. The opinions of you and Mn have probably never swayed me. In anything.
Parkins hasn’t been around for two weeks. He’s mourning his brother.
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You can’t rail on Fields the way you do, claim he’s the reason the Bears play the way they play, cite his record as a reason for why he’s a failure, and say “it’s all about the quarterback,” and then also get to say “the Bears sucked regardless.”
No doubt you think my take is off the wall here…
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Would you be happy with Caleb Williams if he were the next Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray?
I’d like this one answered
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I’d like this one answered
Maybe start another poll.
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Maybe start another poll.
You bet, PG.
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Would you be happy with Caleb Williams if he were the next Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray?
Happy? No. Would I be concerned if I were drafting him? Yes.
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I’d like this one answered
Ok.
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No doubt you think my take is off the wall here…
I think you are constructing yet another strawman.
As I have said repeatedly, Fields so far has lacked quite a few necessities of the position. Those skills are on him. That is unrelated to who is or is not on the OL, WR. He has sucked as a QB, just as much as more than a few of his teammates have sucked.
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Trust me. The opinions of you and Mn have probably never swayed me. In anything.
Parkins hasn’t been around for two weeks. He’s mourning his brother.
Fine, Bernstein it is.
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Wait, “the point” was what exactly?
It has been repeated ad nauseam if you actually cared to read and comprehend said readings.
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I think you are constructing yet another strawman.
As I have said repeatedly, Fields so far has lacked quite a few necessities of the position. Those skills are on him. That is unrelated to who is or is not on the OL, WR. He has sucked as a QB, just as much as more than a few of his teammates have sucked.
You’ve literally directed almost all of the criticism of the Bears to Justin Fields for 8 months. You’ve blamed him for losses in which he was the best player on the field. You’ve blamed the way they call games on his inability to perform. You’ve exonerated others for their mistakes and blamed him. You’ve cited his win/ loss record numerous times as proof he sucks. You’ve said “it’s all about the quarterback” like 750x since October; and now you want to say “The Bears sucked regardless of Fields.” You don’t see how that is pretty laughable?
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It has been repeated ad nauseam if you actually cared to read and comprehend said readings.
The point is that you spew things from your ass and call it indisputable logic
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If the Bears so clearly sucked in your eyes, why were you saying things like “Where are the wins?!” And bitching about losses, all the while placing almost all of the blame at the feet of Justin Fields. Are you going to deny you did this?
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Why would it be hilarious?
If they got a high first round pick and spent it on a running back instead of a premium position?
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You’ve literally directed almost all of the criticism of the Bears to Justin Fields for 8 months.
True. He is supposed to be the franchise QB. It is the most important position on the field.
You’ve blamed him for losses in which he was the best player on the field. You’ve blamed the way they call games on his inability to perform.
True (tallest midget) and true. He has sucked at passing.
You’ve exonerated others for their mistakes and blamed him.
Exonerated? Ehhh. He has made many mistakes. He has sucked at passing the football.
You’ve cited his win/ loss record numerous times as proof he sucks. You’ve said “it’s all about the quarterback” like 750x since October; and now you want to say “The Bears sucked regardless of Fields.” You don’t see how that is pretty laughable?
He has sucked regardless of the rest of the team. But it is all about the QB as you, and others, maintain he is THE franchise QB. He has not shown that he has the skills to be a franchise QB. Has not read defenses well. Puts the ball on the ground too much. We can go on and on.
Can he do it? We shall see.
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The point is that you spew things from your ass and call it indisputable logic
More Tempo Projection.
This thread has all the Tempo Classics: Strawmen construction, projection, LOL Lay Downs, reading comprehension issues, repeated questions of previously answered questions, name calling. All the hits in one thread.
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If the Bears so clearly sucked in your eyes, why were you saying things like “Where are the wins?!” And bitching about losses, all the while placing almost all of the blame at the feet of Justin Fields. Are you going to deny you did this?
Because he is the QB. There have been games where he has blown the game.
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If they got a high first round pick and spent it on a running back instead of a premium position?
Again. Who here has advocated for drafting him at 9? And I’d they did, and he turns out to be Christian McCaferry 2.0 I’d argue that makes him a premium player in the NFL.
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If they got a high first round pick and spent it on a running back instead of a premium position?
He has since realized the folly of his position. Bernstein tweeted or something, because it was nothing said by the people here. Per Tempo.
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He has since realized the folly of his position. Bernstein tweeted or something, because it was nothing said by the people here. Per Tempo.
Sure thing, memebot.
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More Tempo Projection.
This thread has all the Tempo Classics: Strawmen construction, projection, LOL Lay Downs, reading comprehension issues, repeated questions of previously answered questions, name calling. All the hits in one thread.
It’s amazing to me you think you are winning this “debate.” But I’m also not surprised…
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If they got a high first round pick and spent it on a running back instead of a premium position?
I’d also add that devaluing a position to the point of ignoring a potentially generational prospect might be going a step too far. But again, no one here has been beating the drum to take him at 9. Just ask Custard if you’re the last one confused about my preferred draft strategy.
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Safety is probably the least “valued” position in the NFL, but if you told me we’re getting the next Minkah Fitzpatrick at 9, I’d call that a good pick.
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Again. Who here has advocated for drafting him at 9? And I’d they did, and he turns out to be Christian McCaferry 2.0 I’d argue that makes him a premium player in the NFL.
Yet the Panthers won nothing with Christian McCaffrey once again proving that good players at valueless positions are not that important
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Yet the Panthers won nothing with Christian McCaffrey once again proving that good players at valueless positions are not that important
That’s because the rest of their team sucked. Especially their quarterbacks post healthy Cam.
Would you say Derrick Henry was a disposable piece to two 1 seed Titan teams?
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It’s a 22 man freaking game. More if you count special teams, which are very important.
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It’s amazing to me you think you are winning this “debate.” But I’m also not surprised…
Well, that you think that is a give since you refuse to understand the debate and are pulling out all the tricks in the Tempo Playbook.
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Well, that you think that is a give since you refuse to understand the debate and are pulling out all the tricks in the Tempo Playbook.
You are making even less sense than usual today. Congrats, you’re rollin’.
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You are making even less sense than usual today. Congrats, you’re rollin’.
We all know your level of reading comprehension is on the low side. And that you were for things before you were against them.
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Hey PAMan, when you want to talk football, instead of taunt like kids on a playground, get back to me. Until then. Deuces.
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Hey PAMan, when you want to talk football, instead of taunt like kids on a playground, get back to me. Until then. Deuces.
Given you cannot fucking read, adios.
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https://youtu.be/37OWL7AzvHo
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Facts are facts.
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Because he is the QB. There have been games where he has blown the game.
Yes, like the time he hit St. Brown squarely in the hands on 4th down and you blamed Fields for him dropping it.
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Yes, like the time he hit St. Brown squarely in the hands on 4th down and you blamed Fields for him dropping it.
Was thinking more like when he threw the ball to his former teammate on the Lion for a pick 6.
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Yes, like the time he hit St. Brown squarely in the hands on 4th down and you blamed Fields for him dropping it.
I honestly don't remember that. Did PAMan really blame Fields for that drop?
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I honestly don't remember that. Did PAMan really blame Fields for that drop?
I think that what he said was St Brown was probably surprised the ball hit him in the hands.
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I think that what he said was St Brown was probably surprised the ball hit him in the hands.
Ah. Gotcha.
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Was thinking more like when he threw the ball to his former teammate on the Lion for a pick 6.
And then when on the very next play he ran for like 70 yards for a TD and made up for it?
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Ah. Gotcha.
That is exactly what happened.
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Ah. Gotcha.
Similar to a pitcher who is having trouble finding the plate, then manages to find the strike zone with a slider.
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And then when on the very next play he ran for like 70 yards for a TD and made up for it?
Unfortunately, that was the only 6 points of the quarter for the Bear.
4th Final
Lions 21 31
Bears 6 30
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Similar to a pitcher who is having trouble finding the plate, then manages to find the strike zone with a slider.
Great “analogy…”
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Again. Who here has advocated for drafting him at 9? And I’d they did, and he turns out to be Christian McCaferry 2.0 I’d argue that makes him a premium player in the NFL.
It'd be about the biggest possible risk.
Shore up the lines, please.
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Unfortunately, that was the only 6 points of the quarter for the Bear.
4th Final
Lions 21 31
Bears 6 30
So the Bears blew a 24-10 lead in the fourth quarter and it was Fields' fault?
Hmmm...
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So the Bears blew a 24-10 lead in the fourth quarter and it was Fields' fault?
Hmmm...
Remember when they did not move the ball worth a shit in the 4th quarter to eat up time, aside from one nice TD run, and The Franchise QB threw the pick 6? I do....
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It'd be about the biggest possible risk.
Shore up the lines, please.
Again. Good players are available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Also, I’m not sure taking a guy considered the best at his position in 5 years (according to many) is a huge risk.
There are also cap cuts coming. I have a feeling the Bears will add another OL after cuts. If anything, Robinson is the safest offensive player in the draft. I bet he opens the season as ROY of the favorite.
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So the Bears blew a 24-10 lead in the fourth quarter and it was Fields' fault?
Hmmm...
PAMan logic says Fields lost them that game. Leave him alone, he’s rollin’.
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Remember when they did not move the ball worth a shit in the 4th quarter to eat up time, aside from one nice TD run, and The Franchise QB threw the pick 6? I do....
Remember when the defense gave up up the lead in the 4th quarter, and the kicker missed an extra point that would have at least secured overtime? I’m sure that was Fields’ fault.
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Remember when they did not move the ball worth a shit in the 4th quarter to eat up time, aside from one nice TD run, and The Franchise QB threw the pick 6? I do....
So their offense blew a 14 point lead?
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So their offense blew a 14 point lead?
Fields’ fault. He didn’t run for enough touchdowns.
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As if Illinois has never given up 4th qtr points because the offense couldn't stay on the field long enough to give the defense a rest.
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So their offense blew a 14 point lead?
Needed the offense to chew up clock and not turn the ball over. Did you watch the game?
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As if Illinois has never given up 4th qtr points because the offense couldn't stay on the field long enough to give the defense a rest.
One would think people around here would be used to this.
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Fields’ fault. He didn’t run for enough touchdowns.
The Lion scored early in the 4th, Field then threw the pick 6 on the next possession, then Field ran the ball for the TD on the next possession (and they missed the kick). The Lion scored around the 2 min warning, I believe. Game over.
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Hot damn tamale...
1st & 10 at DET 45
(13:35 - 4th) J.Goff scrambles right end pushed ob at CHI 45 for 10 yards (N.Morrow). PENALTY on CHI-K.Gordon, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at CHI 45.
1st & 10 at CHI 30
(13:03 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass short right to J.Jackson to CHI 22 for 8 yards (J.Johnson).
2nd & 2 at CHI 22
(12:24 - 4th) J.Jackson right guard to CHI 19 for 3 yards (J.Sanborn). PENALTY on CHI-J.Johnson, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at CHI 19.
(11:51 - 4th) Timeout #1 by DET at 11:51.
1st & 10 at CHI 14
(11:42 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass short middle intended for D.Swift INTERCEPTED by J.Sanborn (T.Gipson) at CHI 8. J.Sanborn ran ob at CHI 26 for 18 yards (J.Goff). DET-T.Benson was injured during the play. He is Out. PENALTY on CHI-J.Johnson, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at CHI 14 - No Play.
(11:42 - 4th) Timeout at 11:42.
1st & Goal at CHI 9
(11:37 - 4th) D'Andre Swift 9 Yd Rush M.Badgley extra point is GOOD, Center-S.Daly, Holder-J.Fox.
Chicago BearsINTERCEPTION TOUCHDOWN
2 PLAYS, -8 YARDS, 1:08
DET
24
CHI
24
(11:37 - 4th) J.Fox kicks 65 yards from DET 35 to end zone, Touchback.
1st & 10 at CHI 25
(11:36 - 4th) K.Herbert right tackle to CHI 27 for 2 yards (A.Hutchinson, J.Jacobs).
2nd & 8 at CHI 27
(11:03 - 4th) (Shotgun) K.Herbert right guard pushed ob at CHI 46 for 19 yards (K.Joseph). PENALTY on CHI-R.Griffin, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CHI 27 - No Play.
2nd & 18 at CHI 17
(10:29 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields pass short right intended for C.Kmet INTERCEPTED by J.Okudah [I.Buggs] at CHI 20. J.Okudah for 20 yards, TOUCHDOWN.M.Badgley extra point is GOOD, Center-S.Daly, Holder-J.Fox.
(10:29 - 4th) Timeout at 10:29.
Chicago BearsTOUCHDOWN
3 PLAYS, 75 YARDS, 1:18
DET
24
CHI
30
(10:29 - 4th) J.Fox kicks 65 yards from DET 35 to end zone, Touchback.
1st & 10 at CHI 25
(10:29 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Montgomery right tackle to CHI 27 for 2 yards (I.Buggs; A.McNeill).
2nd & 8 at CHI 27
(9:53 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields pass short left to D.Mooney pushed ob at CHI 33 for 6 yards (K.Joseph; A.Anzalone).
3rd & 2 at CHI 33
(9:11 - 4th) Justin Fields 67 Yd Run (Cairo Santos PAT failed)
(9:11 - 4th) Timeout at 09:11.
Detroit LionsPUNT
3 PLAYS, 8 YARDS, 1:33
DET
24
CHI
30
(9:11 - 4th) C.Santos kicks 65 yards from CHI 35 to end zone, Touchback.
1st & 10 at DET 25
(9:10 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Jackson right guard to DET 27 for 2 yards (J.Brisker).
2nd & 8 at DET 27
(8:31 - 4th) J.Goff pass incomplete short left to A.St. Brown.
3rd & 8 at DET 27
(8:27 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass short right to K.Raymond to DET 33 for 6 yards (J.Sanborn, J.Brisker). CHI-J.Brisker was injured during the play.
(8:01 - 4th) Timeout at 08:01.
4th & 2 at DET 33
(7:38 - 4th) J.Fox punts 45 yards to CHI 22, Center-S.Daly. D.Pettis to CHI 40 for 18 yards (S.Berryhill).
Chicago BearsPUNT
3 PLAYS, 5 YARDS, 2:15
DET
24
CHI
30
1st & 10 at CHI 40
(7:38 - 4th) (Shotgun) K.Herbert left guard to CHI 42 for 2 yards (J.Cominsky).
2nd & 8 at CHI 42
(6:59 - 4th) K.Herbert right tackle to CHI 44 for 2 yards (A.Hutchinson).
3rd & 6 at CHI 44
(6:20 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Fields scrambles right end to CHI 45 for 1 yard (D.Barnes).
4th & 5 at CHI 45
(5:23 - 4th) T.Gill punts 46 yards to DET 9, Center-P.Scales, fair catch by K.Raymond.
Detroit LionsTOUCHDOWN
8 PLAYS, 91 YARDS, 3:02
DET
31
CHI
30
1st & 10 at DET 9
(5:23 - 4th) Ja.Williams left end pushed ob at DET 20 for 11 yards (J.Sanborn).
1st & 10 at DET 20
(4:53 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass incomplete short right to D.Swift.
2nd & 10 at DET 20
(4:49 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass short right to K.Raymond to DET 40 for 20 yards (J.Johnson).
1st & 10 at DET 40
(4:04 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass short left to A.St. Brown pushed ob at DET 47 for 7 yards (J.Sanborn). DET-A.St. Brown was injured during the play.
2nd & 3 at DET 47
(3:59 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Swift left tackle to DET 42 for -5 yards (Ju.Jones).
3rd & 8 at DET 42
(3:14 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass short middle to T.Kennedy pushed ob at CHI 14 for 44 yards (E.Jackson).
1st & 10 at CHI 14
(3:06 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass short middle to A.St. Brown to CHI 1 for 13 yards (N.Morrow).
1st & Goal at CHI 1
(2:21 - 4th) Jamaal Williams 1 Yd Rush M.Badgley extra point is GOOD, Center-S.Daly, Holder-J.Fox.
Chicago BearsDOWNS
6 PLAYS, 2 YARDS, 1:17
DET
31
CHI
30
(2:21 - 4th) J.Fox kicks 62 yards from DET 35 to CHI 3. K.Herbert to CHI 20 for 17 yards (C.Moore). CHI-K.Herbert was injured during the play.
1st & 10 at CHI 20
(2:16 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields right end to CHI 25 for 5 yards (A.Hutchinson).
(2:00 - 4th) Two-Minute Warning
2nd & 5 at CHI 25
(1:59 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields pass incomplete deep right to C.Claypool (J.Okudah).
3rd & 5 at CHI 25
(1:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields pass incomplete deep right to D.Montgomery (C.Board). PENALTY on DET-K.Joseph, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at CHI 25 - No Play.
1st & 10 at CHI 30
(1:45 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields pass incomplete short middle to C.Kmet.
2nd & 10 at CHI 30
(1:40 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields sacked at CHI 25 for -5 yards (A.Hutchinson).
3rd & 15 at CHI 25
(1:18 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Fields pass short middle to D.Montgomery to CHI 32 for 7 yards (C.Board).
(1:12 - 4th) Timeout #1 by CHI at 01:12.
4th & 8 at CHI 32
(0:59 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields sacked at CHI 22 for -10 yards (J.Okwara).
Detroit LionsEND OF GAME
4 PLAYS, 9 YARDS, 1:04
DET
31
CHI
30
1st & 10 at CHI 22
(0:59 - 4th) D.Skipper reported in as eligible. Ja.Williams right guard to CHI 16 for 6 yards (D.Robinson).
(0:59 - 4th) Timeout #2 by CHI at 00:59.
2nd & 4 at CHI 16
(0:59 - 4th) D.Skipper reported in as eligible. Ja.Williams left guard to CHI 19 for -3 yards (N.Morrow).
(0:56 - 4th) Timeout #3 by CHI at 00:56.
3rd & 7 at CHI 19
(0:56 - 4th) D.Skipper reported in as eligible. Ja.Williams left end to CHI 12 for 7 yards (J.Thomas).
1st & 10 at CHI 12
(0:16 - 4th) J.Goff kneels to CHI 13 for -1 yards.
(0:00 - 4th) END GAME
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Lol
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One would think people around here would be used to this.
One would think.
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One would think.
Some people just like their balls played with and will do whatever it takes…
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Needed the offense to chew up clock and not turn the ball over. Did you watch the game?
It’s Fields’ fault.
https://www.lineups.com/nfl-team-rankings/defense
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It’s Fields’ fault.
https://www.lineups.com/nfl-team-rankings/defense
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?group=O&cat=R
Yet, could not rush the ball and kill clock when needed to do so.
Chicago BearsPUNT
3 PLAYS, 5 YARDS, 2:15
DET
24
CHI
30
1st & 10 at CHI 40
(7:38 - 4th) (Shotgun) K.Herbert left guard to CHI 42 for 2 yards (J.Cominsky).
2nd & 8 at CHI 42
(6:59 - 4th) K.Herbert right tackle to CHI 44 for 2 yards (A.Hutchinson).
3rd & 6 at CHI 44
(6:20 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Fields scrambles right end to CHI 45 for 1 yard (D.Barnes).
4th & 5 at CHI 45
(5:23 - 4th) T.Gill punts 46 yards to DET 9, Center-P.Scales, fair catch by K.Raymond.
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?group=O&cat=P&yr=2022&lg=NFL
Definitely could not pass the ball when needed to do so.
Chicago BearsDOWNS
6 PLAYS, 2 YARDS, 1:17
DET
31
CHI
30
(2:21 - 4th) J.Fox kicks 62 yards from DET 35 to CHI 3. K.Herbert to CHI 20 for 17 yards (C.Moore). CHI-K.Herbert was injured during the play.
1st & 10 at CHI 20
(2:16 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields right end to CHI 25 for 5 yards (A.Hutchinson).
(2:00 - 4th) Two-Minute Warning
2nd & 5 at CHI 25
(1:59 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields pass incomplete deep right to C.Claypool (J.Okudah).
3rd & 5 at CHI 25
(1:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields pass incomplete deep right to D.Montgomery (C.Board). PENALTY on DET-K.Joseph, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at CHI 25 - No Play.
1st & 10 at CHI 30
(1:45 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields pass incomplete short middle to C.Kmet.
2nd & 10 at CHI 30
(1:40 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields sacked at CHI 25 for -5 yards (A.Hutchinson).
3rd & 15 at CHI 25
(1:18 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Fields pass short middle to D.Montgomery to CHI 32 for 7 yards (C.Board).
(1:12 - 4th) Timeout #1 by CHI at 01:12.
4th & 8 at CHI 32
(0:59 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Fields sacked at CHI 22 for -10 yards (J.Okwara).
But The Franchise QB is blameless in all this....
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Whoever said he was “blameless?” He was mostly blameless in their 31-30 loss to the Lions. I can tell you that.
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The next “LaDainian Tomlinson type” sounds pretty risky.
https://twitter.com/espnnfl/status/1637916203413798913?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/peter-king-who-nailed-bears-1-pick-trade-reveals-likely-1st-round-pick/
Claims RB gone, OT picked.
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https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/peter-king-who-nailed-bears-1-pick-trade-reveals-likely-1st-round-pick/
Claims RB gone, OT picked.
I saw that (Robinson to ATL). That just makes no sense to me. ATL has tons of needs, including QB. Tyler Allgier had a really good year last year and was a rookie. They turn around and draft another RB? None of that make sense to me. So it’ll probably happen.
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Forgot they had Ridder and plan to play him. Even then RB makes no sense when they have lots of other needs, and a good 23 year old RB.
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Some people just like their balls played with and will do whatever it takes…
As nice as it would be of you, nobody believes this is why you're standing around outside the women's restroom.
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As nice as it would be of you, nobody believes this is why you're standing around outside the women's restroom.
Lighten up, Francis.
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I'll lighten up about it as soon as you stop thinking it's okay - even virtuous - to say "I'll violently assault a trans person unprovoked if they try to enter the bathroom with my daughter".
As long as you keep saying bigoted, insane shit like that, I'm going to treat you like a bigoted, insane person.
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I'll lighten up about it as soon as you stop thinking it's okay - even virtuous - to say "I'll violently assault a trans person unprovoked if they try to enter the bathroom with my daughter".
As long as you keep saying bigoted, insane shit like that, I'm going to treat you like a bigoted, insane person.
😂
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Violent assault of oppressed minority is hilarious, yeah.
You're quite a pathetic lady.
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Idiots
"Tackle is expected to be the Bears' priority when they go on the clock with the No. 9 pick in Thursday's first round of the draft."
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-keeping-all-options-open-find-offensive-tackle-2023-nfl-draft
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Idiots
"Tackle is expected to be the Bears' priority when they go on the clock with the No. 9 pick in Thursday's first round of the draft."
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-keeping-all-options-open-find-offensive-tackle-2023-nfl-draft
Stupid heads!
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Dimwits and Stalemates!
Or…
Cocksuckers and Pussies?!
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Idiots
"Tackle is expected to be the Bears' priority when they go on the clock with the No. 9 pick in Thursday's first round of the draft."
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-keeping-all-options-open-find-offensive-tackle-2023-nfl-draft
Who said drafting a tackle was “dumb?”
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Stupid heads!
Again, who said drafting a lineman was dumb?
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Sums up the Bears draft analysis perfectly…
https://youtu.be/AP0oQCh_teg
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Again, who said drafting a lineman was dumb?
Has The ExtremelyLiteralWordUsageMan taken over your account?
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Sums up the Bears draft analysis perfectly…
https://youtu.be/AP0oQCh_teg
Not a country fan for the most part, but loved me some George Jones. Met his step-daughter once (or she claimed to be). She was hot.
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Not a country fan for the most part, but loved me some George Jones. Met his step-daughter once (or she claimed to be). She was hot.
His voice is magical and very distinct. He Stopped Loving Her Today and Who’s Gonna Fill Their Shoes are great too. He can definitely wail with the best of them.
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Golden Band. That song brings back some good memories hanging out in a dive bar I used to frequent
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Actually, it’s called The Right Left Hand.
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Golden Band. That song brings back some good memories hanging out in a dive bar I used to frequent
What dive bar?
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What dive bar?
You wouldn’t know it. It was in Aurora.
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You wouldn’t know it. It was in Aurora.
We should meet there.
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We should meet there.
Lol, you're not going to Aurora.
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Lol, you're not going to Aurora.
It is better than Lincoln, isn't it?
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It is better than Lincoln, isn't it?
Probably. Although I've heard some bad things about Aurora. Don't know as much about the burbs.
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Probably. Although I've heard some bad things about Aurora. Don't know as much about the burbs.
Betting Tempo has its demographics at his fingertips.
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We should meet there.
It doesn’t exist anymore.
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Lol, you're not going to Aurora.
And neither am I.
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It is better than Lincoln, isn't it?
Depends on which part you’re in.
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Who is your “anybody but” guy? Not sure I have one unless it’s one of the positions I mentioned was unjustifiable earlier. Or someone that would be defined as a big reach.
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Who is your “anybody but” guy? Not sure I have one unless it’s one of the positions I mentioned was unjustifiable earlier. Or someone that would be defined as a big reach.
Van Ness is my anybody but guy.
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Van Ness is my anybody but guy.
I think that is a pretty good call
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I think that is a pretty good call
Just not sold on him, but watch him become the next JJ Watt.
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Just not sold on him, but watch him become the next JJ Watt.
Right
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Quote from: Tempo34 on April 24, 2023, 08:42:34 AM
Yes. Lincoln Riley has a long history of developing successful NFL QBs.
List:
Jalen Hurts (1 year), who kind of sucked his first two years in the NFL.
Which is the point if you were not so blind.
Baker and Murray his guys too. Hurts was there a year?
LOL