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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: Reacher on April 06, 2023, 04:03:40 AM
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Let’s see where we actually stand
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Please feel free to share how you voted. I’m pretty sure people can figure out how I voted.
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Fire him with 50% of the vote after 8 votes. Only 1 keeper. I assure you, none of my mults have voted nor will they.
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Out of curiosity what would this vote look like at Loyalty? Anyone with a good guess? I log in there like twice a year, so I don't have a finger on the pulse there.
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Out of curiosity what would this vote look like at Loyalty? Anyone with a good guess? I log in there like twice a year, so I don't have a finger on the pulse there.
Haha, I have no idea. I signed up there once. I literally was banned in 15 minutes, without making a single post.
Only other time I even looked there was maybe a couple weeks ago, and I couldn't handle the barrage of ads and bullshit. It's worse than espn.com.
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Yeah, I’m always pleasantly surprised when I log in and I’m not banned. Even though I never post there. If Dan followed the old iterations of this board I’m sure he’d be aware of me and my reputation (which could mean auto-ban).
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He’s a keeper on a heater picking up two votes.
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Haha, I have no idea. I signed up there once. I literally was banned in 15 minutes, without making a single post.
Only other time I even looked there was maybe a couple weeks ago, and I couldn't handle the barrage of ads and bullshit. It's worse than espn.com.
I have been banned there a couple times. On a ban right now until May I think for laughing that BU was the top choice for Texas job. 😂
I would say the consensus at Loyalty is very much In Brad We Trust and Thank God he was not stolen by Texas.
But if anyone complains they get banned so it is a rigged sentiment. Kind of like Republican gerrymandering.
They also hang on every word by Breal who used to be pretty normal fun guy, but is now Dan's hit man.
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I have been banned there a couple times. On a ban right now until May I think for laughing that BU was the top choice for Texas job. 😂
I would say the consensus at Loyalty is very much In Brad We Trust and Thank God he was not stolen by Texas.
But if anyone complains they get banned so it is a rigged sentiment. Kind of like Republican gerrymandering.
They also hang on every word by Breal who used to be pretty normal fun guy, but is now Dan's hit man.
Pretty sure I was banned solely because of Tyler fucking Jackson's board. He knew I was there, and I'm guessing he looked at some of my posts. Just banned me outright. Looking back on it, I can't say I blame him.
Breal is a fucking joke. I hope he's getting buttfucked against his will on a daily basis.
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17 people voted.
That pretty much accounts for everyone I think. LOL. ;D
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17 people voted.
That pretty much accounts for everyone I think. LOL. ;D
I didn't vote.
He ain't going anywhere. Yet.
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17 people voted.
That pretty much accounts for everyone I think. LOL. ;D
And none of them were my mults!
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Wow, I’m surprised. I expected “fire him” to finish last.
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Wow, I’m surprised. I expected “fire him” to finish last.
Yeah. Weird.
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BU Record and what will be the undoing of the ILLINI with him as our coach. This all said, there probably isn't any coach that is a better option right now.
2017 - 14-18, Building a culture
2018 - 12-21, Still building, fanbase starting to get antsy
2019 - 21-10, B1G turnaround with Frazier/Ayo/Georgi had a breakout year for us. Covid
2020 - 24-7, Won early Duke/Lost 2nd Rd with Kofi
2021 - 23-10, Won early with Notre Dame/Mizzou, Lost 2nd Rd with Kofi
2022 - 20-13, Won early with UCLA, Cuse, Texas, Lost 1st Rd
In the last 6 years we have had a total of 15 X-fer's out, counting this year. 2.5 per. The general consensus is that by each year end there are disgruntled players (all teams to some extent have this) that want to leave due to a perceived issue with coaching style?
All ILLINI teams imo seem to "buy" into the tough love coaching style early in the year, and well after any kid gets yelled at consistantly, then they start tuning people out...that person on our teams case seems to be BU? The tough love approach wears thin, the team chemistry starts to erode, and the wins don't tend to come by years end.
Talent in some years is the case for many losses, but I would argue on at least 3 of those years most if not ALL of us fans would have bet we SHOULD have gotten further in either the B1G Tourney or/and the NCAA.
I just don't think the style works long term with todays kid's. BU now seems to want to look at mid-major types to bring onto the team? Controllable kids? Easier to manipulate due to thinking they have it better than a smaller school? Talent is talent, the kids know they can play and some want tough love, most say they do, probably don't long term.
Moretti/Kutcher/Reed/Warden...yes I know these are all walk-on's mostly, but when is the real talent going to start arriving?
We have glaring holes at PG, some SG, some Forward/Center, especially if either TSJ/Hawk don't come back? We will have to wait for those decisions of course but we should be able to get at least 2-3 before then that will honestly contribute next year?
RANT OVER, enjoy the egg hunt peoples!
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Jeez. Calm down, man.
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Jeez. Calm down, man.
It is the time of season for Passion, Jobu.
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It is the time of season for Passion, Jobu.
Hey PAMan. Wtf is in your signature picture?
Is that Trump hugging Jesus??
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Hey PAMan. Wtf is in your signature picture?
Is that Trump hugging Jesus??
More accurately, it’s Jesus hugging Trump. Because, you know, Trump is Christlike.
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Also, that photo implies Jesus is about 6’8. I’m guessing that photo is historically accurate, because, why wouldn’t it be?
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Turns out the displeasure with Underwood is quite a bit more significant than I would have thought. Most would like him gone, in a route.
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Also, I swear, none of my mults voted.
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rout.
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Also, that photo implies Jesus is about 6’8. I’m guessing that photo is historically accurate, because, why wouldn’t it be?
Everyone knows Jesus was actually black.
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rout.
Good point.
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Everyone knows Jesus was actually black.
This is average level troll work. Brown skinned probably.
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It's the power forward Jesus. Not the Baby Xmas Jesus. Or the Lynard Skynard Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY5VNDvea1M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY5VNDvea1M)
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More accurately, it’s Jesus hugging Trump. Because, you know, Trump is Christlike.
I believe he is consoling an unfairly maligned Trump.....this is sarcasm to be clear...
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It's the power forward Jesus. Not the Baby Xmas Jesus. Or the Lynard Skynard Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY5VNDvea1M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY5VNDvea1M)
Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Gary Rossington is rolling over in his grave. And Ronnie Van Zant, and Allen Collins, and Billy Powell, and Steve Gaines, and Ed King, and Leon Wilkeson, and so on...
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You are right.
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Wow, I’m surprised. I expected “fire him” to finish last.
Hello…
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Hello…
You. Made. The. Poll!
In before Spark...
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You. Made. The. Poll!
In before Spark...
Expecting the results to be much different.
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I expected he’s a keeper and I’d be ok with him leaving to lead the vote, and maybe a few fire him votes.
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Turns out the displeasure with Underwood is quite a bit more significant than I would have thought. Most would like him gone, in a route.
Just for emphasis.
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Where does a what appears to be sometimes outcoached top 10 paid coach who watches his team jack up 3s to the tune of 48th in the country, which is quite an improvement after being in the 20s all season, yet finishes 329th out of 351 in 3 pt shooting percentage fit in ?
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Hello…
I’m sure you think you’re making some great point here, but …
If you can point out a time I said you, Tempo, wanted him fired - you do that.
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Where does a what appears to be sometimes outcoached top 10 paid coach who watches his team jack up 3s to the tune of 48th in the country, which is quite an improvement after being in the 20s all season, yet finishes 329th out of 351 in 3 pt shooting percentage fit in ?
And here’s one of our board’s resident geniuses making my point for me. Thanks, fishwrap guy!
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And here’s one of our board’s resident geniuses making my point for me. Thanks, fishwrap guy!
Looks like the Spark Bat Signal was lit for Mn's comment.
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Looks like the Spark Bat Signal was lit for Mn's comment.
Really low effort stuff here.
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Really low effort stuff here.
We cannot give 110% every time.
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We cannot give 110% every time.
Dude, just quit…
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Where does a what appears to be sometimes outcoached top 10 paid coach who watches his team jack up 3s to the tune of 48th in the country, which is quite an improvement after being in the 20s all season, yet finishes 329th out of 351 in 3 pt shooting percentage fit in ?
Coaching ASU or Illinois has to be the right answer.
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Dude, just quit…
[Insert low effort Simone Biles comment here.]
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I’m sure you think you’re making some great point here, but …
If you can point out a time I said you, Tempo, wanted him fired - you do that.
You use the term “want him fired” all the time in responses to me. I can only assume you are lumping me into that group.
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And “who created the poll?!”
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And here’s one of our board’s resident geniuses making my point for me. Thanks, fishwrap guy!
That’s funny.
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Really low effort stuff here.
He used to be an excellent pot-stirrer. He’s since settled for being a low hanging fruit troll.
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He used to be an excellent pot-stirrer. He’s since settled for being a low hanging fruit troll.
Don Lemon said I was past my prime. Who got the last laugh there?
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Don Lemon said I was past my prime. Who got the last laugh there?
It appears you did. Unless he’s on a beach somewhere with his millions.
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I present exhibit A to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury:
(https://i.postimg.cc/LXPJ0xHg/7872-A173-3964-4-B75-BA2-D-1491651011-FF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0M85zdK9)
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That was just the most recent, easiest one to to find. There are likely many others.
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You use the term “want him fired” all the time in responses to me. I can only assume you are lumping me into that group.
I'm not.
If I was, I'd say "you want him fired", which I haven't said, because I don't think that. That's how language usually works.
Lots of Illini fans do though. Those are the fans I'm talking about when I discuss the Illini fans who want him fired.
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I present exhibit A to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury:
(https://i.postimg.cc/LXPJ0xHg/7872-A173-3964-4-B75-BA2-D-1491651011-FF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0M85zdK9)
And it says in there that you want him fired?
Or does it, you know, not say that at all?
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I have to say, this is fucking glorious.
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And “who created the poll?!”
I brought up that you created the poll because you had made it clear you expected it to be mostly people who didn't want him fired, but discovered that it was mostly people who did.
I KNEW you knew that a large portion of our fanbase wants him fired, right now.
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That's how language usually works.
Apparently The ExtremelyLiteralWordUsageMan has now taken over your account....
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Is that extremely literal?
It's more like, "you are reading something into this post that it definitely doesn't at all say or imply".
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And it says in there that you want him fired?
Or does it, you know, not say that at all?
All I know is you use the term “want him fired” all the time when responding to me. So when I say “is last year “acceptable” maybe hold off on the “want him fired” rant is all I’m saying. I can find a season not very acceptable and not want him fired. And so can others.
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I brought up that you created the poll because you had made it clear you expected it to be mostly people who didn't want him fired, but discovered that it was mostly people who did.
I KNEW you knew that a large portion of our fanbase wants him fired, right now.
I’m not sure HQ5.6 is all that representative of the fanbase as a whole.
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All I know is you use the term “want him fired” all the time when responding to me. So when I say “is last year “acceptable” maybe hold off on the “want him fired” rant is all I’m saying. I can find a season not very acceptable and not want him fired. And so can others.
Sorry, I thought you were intelligent enough to recognize that when I referred to "the same fans who want him fired", I was only talking about the fans who want him fired - not think I was talking about you because it was in a reply to your post.
Was I giving you too much credit here Tempo? I wasn't at all unclear, you're just trying to hold me to something you can't even find an implication of in my posts because I 'used the phrase' "want him fired" while discussing other Illini fans.
NOTE: When I say "other Illini fans", I'm not talking about you - even though this was a reply to you.
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I’m not sure HQ5.6 is all that representative of the fanbase as a whole.
Then why'd you even make the poll?
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How many threads does this discussion need to be in?
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Is that extremely literal?
It's more like, "you are reading something into this post that it definitely doesn't at all say or imply".
He will accuse you of it. Or misquote you. Or misconstrue his own posts. Or something. [Looks at new posts] Yep, looks to be the case.
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Then why'd you even make the poll?
Because I was curious to see what HQ5.6 would say.
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Because I was curious to see what HQ5.6 would say.
Ah. Well, you found out.
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Being more extreme, I still thought most would support Underwood, even tepidly.
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Being more extreme, I still thought most would support Underwood, even tepidly.
Hell, I just figured some of your mults threw some votes in for firing.
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Hell, I just figured some of your mults threw some votes in for firing.
I assured everyone multiple times I didn’t.
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Was I giving you too much credit here Tempo?
Yes. Way too much.
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Hell, I just figured some of your mults threw some votes in for firing.
I guessed this but he made it pretty clear in the thread he'd only voted once.
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I assured everyone multiple times I didn’t.
As we have learned here, the words you type do not always reflect what you mean.
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I assured everyone multiple times I didn’t.
Well, it's kinda weird seeing that there were 24 votes cast. There is nowhere near 24 people that post on here.
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How many threads does this discussion need to be in?
Just scroll down.
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As we have learned here, the words you type do not always reflect what you mean.
This must mean you want Underwood fired.
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Just scroll down.
Maybe he wants them banned.
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Just scroll down.
True
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Maybe he wants them banned.
Maybe you want Underwood fired.
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This must mean you want Underwood fired.
I just want everyone to get along. Eh, who am I kidding? I would try and rile up the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse if they posted here.
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I just want everyone to get along. Eh, who am I kidding? I would try and rile up the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse if they posted here.
Maybe they're the ones who voted for Underwood to be fired.
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Maybe you want Underwood fired.
I might have been for it before I was still for it.
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I might have been for it before I was still for it.
What does Parkins say about it?
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Maybe they're the ones who voted for Underwood to be fired.
The 4 Horseman of the HQ2 Apocalypse
Dom
Jasn88Cub (Little House on the Prairie board, my ass)
Illnikvn (always the quiet ones you need to watch out for)
Spark (yep, have to watch out for him)
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What does Parkins say about it?
Concentrate and ask again
Because he consulted his Magic 8 Ball.
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I just want everyone to get along. Eh, who am I kidding? I would try and rile up the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse if they posted here.
This is the most truthful thing PAMan has posted since September.
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Well, it's kinda weird seeing that there were 24 votes cast. There is nowhere near 24 people that post on here.
And I didn't vote. I don't share any of the positions.
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I thought it was a lot of votes. But I swear on my son’s life I only voted once.
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And I didn't vote. I don't share any of the positions.
Maybe Tempo will next time include, "I want him to die in a tire fire" as an option.
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And I didn't vote. I don't share any of the positions.
What other positions are there?
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I want him to stay, I’d be ok if he left, fire him would seem to cover about everything, no?
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Like PA man said, death by tire fire is an option.
Although maybe that falls under "I'd be ok if he left."
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Like PA man said, death by tire fire is an option.
Although maybe that falls under "I'd be ok if he left."
I thought it was assumed.
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Maybe we should ask "joned" who he voted for. Maybe he has a bunch of mults too.
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What other positions are there?
"I hope he gets COVID and is treated by Fauci and Peter Daszak."
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All kinds of options.
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All kinds of options.
Just trying to come up with options that Mn would consider....
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Just trying to come up with options that Mn would consider....
Hmmm. How about "I want him to eat an undercooked Walleye, and get salmonella and shit himself to death."
Mn might go for that one.
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Hmmm. How about "I want him to eat an undercooked Walleye, and get salmonella and shit himself to death."
Mn might go for that one.
Good one.
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Just trying to come up with options that Mn would consider....
Buried shoulder depth in sand with knat's eating away, canola oiled head with 100 degrees heat with an Army Ant basic training formation going on??
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Buried shoulder depth in sand with knat's eating away, canola oiled head with 100 degrees heat with an Army Ant basic training formation going on??
I think he’d go with shitting himself to death after eating bad walleye.
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Buried shoulder depth in sand with knat's eating away, canola oiled head with 100 degrees heat with an Army Ant basic training formation going on??
I don't know if Mn would go for that, but I like the cut of your jib....
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I don't know if Mn would go for that, but I like the cut of your jib....
I like to cut deep.... nb!! ;D
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Dec 2 would have been game #8.
It was a concern, and the final 329 ranking may have been our worst of the year.
I don't mind the yelling, the team generally plays hard and he's brought in good talent.
We'll see what next year brings and he can put himself in a position to retire here, but announcers questioning shot selection is not a good look.
(https://i.ibb.co/ggf5wWy/Screenshot-20230426-164137.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7yZwVpv)
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There is a reason why Shannon would go scoreless in first halves. Or Mayer would shoot off balance threes off the dribble. Or Hawkins would shoot bad threes.
This was not what Underwood had in mind.
The bad shot selection had a lot to do with certain players refusing to run the sets they were told to run.
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There is a reason why Shannon would go scoreless in first halves. Or Mayer would shoot off balance threes off the dribble. Or Hawkins would shoot bad threes.
This was not what Underwood had in mind.
The bad shot selection had a lot to do with certain players refusing to run the sets they were told to run.
Underwood said early in the year that we would be shooting 3s, and he stuck with it.
A missed 3 late in the shot clock is different than bad, and missed, 3 pt shots early in the clock.
The bench has always been an available option to a coach.
And players not listening to the coaches isn't a good look either.
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Bottom line Underwood had 1 (hawk) who was familiar with the system and at probably too many times deferred to the Alpha Portals.
Truth is TSJ I think bought in to Underwood, but also knew he HAD to carry this team at times....reality was/is he won't ever be the Alpha dog leader on this past years team or any other one moving forward. He is just too one dimensional (bull in a china shop), and his jumper as good as it has been is simply not good enough to get buckets at all times.
Mayer is a whole other story.....the kid was supposed to be a HUGE pickup, rankings/media/fans all said so....never seemed to mesh, maybe his fault/others/who knows, but by year end one of our portal king was diminshed to a tarnished knight. Mayer will have a career, but I would bet $$$ it isn't in the NBA at all, and it will not be without future issues at some point.
Underwood, dug that hole, and he laid in it all year....live by the sword so to speak. Reality is he gave the superstars too much leeway in game planning/follow through and some of the younger ones got butt hurt imo. Neither good nor bad, a 20 win season is still good, just not good enough for us rabid fans....that said, every year will be like the last moving forward with the portal/NIL here to stay.
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If Underwood doesnt get us to sweet 16 this year I am fully off board
I;m one leg off now
I wont attend a game this year
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If Underwood doesnt get us to sweet 16 this year I am fully off board
I;m one leg off now
I wont attend a game this year
Hope it's a soft landing... ;D
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Counting the people who give one solitary shit.
Okay, done counting.
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Counting the people who give one solitary shit.
Okay, done counting.
Spark may not care Jasn88Cub, but others here do! Keep fighting the good fight!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-lGhKrypb0
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Spark may not care Jasn88Cub, but others here do! Keep fighting the good fight!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-lGhKrypb0
Another band on the sweet playlist?
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Another band on the sweet playlist?
I do not think they were ever on the show Fridays. Would have been better than Kenny Loggins or Randy Meisner.
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Spark may not care Jasn88Cub, but others here do! Keep fighting the good fight!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-lGhKrypb0
I don't mind jasn88cubs really, I just think it's hilarious when people go on a message board and say "if x doesn't happen i'm going to stop watching!" as if anybody anywhere gives a shit.
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Counting the people who give one solitary shit.
Okay, done counting.
Listen here pal
I went to 3 games last year had tickets for 5!
Loss of revenue!
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Listen here pal
I went to 3 games last year had tickets for 5!
Loss of revenue!
Let's see a picture of your Ferrari!
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Listen here pal
I went to 3 games last year had tickets for 5!
Loss of revenue!
Sounds like they got revenue from you for two games you didn't even go to. Brilliant.
Did you buy a case of Bud Light to shoot too?
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Sounds like they got revenue from you for two games you didn't even go to. Brilliant.
Did you buy a case of Bud Light to shoot too?
What bathroom does he/she use?!
We do know that he/she takes a lot of shits due to the never ending gas he/she has…
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What bathroom does he/she use?!
We do know that he/she takes a lot of shits due to the never ending gas he/she has…
I know you love to check peoples’ junk so I’ll let you handle that.
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I know you love to check peoples’ junk so I’ll let you handle that.
https://www.get.tv/sites/gettv/files/2022-08/t2dsaan_ec001_0.jpg
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It's weird to see people say Underwood has the program trending upwards
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It's weird to see people say Underwood has the program trending upwards
I think it is called The Stockholm Syndrome, Jasn.
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It's weird to see people say Underwood has the program trending upwards
Compared to what he inherited? Absolutely he does. Compared to his own results? It’s leveled out.
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Thus far the trajectory overall has been way, way, way up with a slight downturn last year.
I can't imagine arguing that overall his trajectory hasn't been clearly upward though, that's an obvious losing argument. Certainly last year was disappointing to only make the tournament, but compare that to the program he inherited. We'd made three tourneys in the decade before he was hired, and now just making the tournament is something worthy of mockery and snarky nicknames. That should tell you everything you need to know about his trajectory thusfar, no?
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He has raised the bar, which might very well lead to his own downfall.
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Thus far the trajectory overall has been way, way, way up with a slight downturn last year.
I can't imagine arguing that overall his trajectory hasn't been clearly upward though, that's an obvious losing argument. Certainly last year was disappointing to only make the tournament, but compare that to the program he inherited. We'd made three tourneys in the decade before he was hired, and now just making the tournament is something worthy of mockery and snarky nicknames. That should tell you everything you need to know about his trajectory thusfar, no?
I would say our preseason rankings last year were a bit overinflated for a team that lost a gazillion years of experience and like 90% of our scoring... overall I think the year was fine. Some highs and lows for sure. Was awesome to see TSJ go ham on UCLA in person that's for sure, that atmosphere was electric!
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I don't blame people for being disappointed in last year, at all.
The notion that the overall trend is downward for Illinois basketball under Underwood is ... to put it kindly, not found in evidence, unless you're willing to exclusively look at the last two seasons - when we lost a first team All American in each of the offseasons.
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Compared to what he inherited? Absolutely he does. Compared to his own results? It’s leveled out.
Was what he inherited an anomaly (thinking along the line of UNC with Matt Doherty) or not? You have argued, I am paraphrasing here, that Illinois is a "blueblood light." (Is that a fair characterization?)
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He has raised the bar, which might very well lead to his own downfall.
I suggested that it would be the same bar applied to every coach since Weber.
Fucking Connecticut has been kicking ass (and had its doldrums and shit canned the coach) and Illinois can't? What the hell is wrong with you people?
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It's weird to see people say Underwood has the program trending upwards
He has it leveled at regular tourney qualification. Last year he had massive turnover + cancer on the roster and he made the tourney. Groce, as a contrast for example, went .500 in the B1G and whiffed the tourney with 2 NBA guards on the roster. Underwood ain't perfect but above the standard since 05 and had enough guys return that there's at least some internal faith in the program.
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Was what he inherited an anomaly (thinking along the line of UNC with Matt Doherty) or not? You have argued, I am paraphrasing here, that Illinois is a "blueblood light." (Is that a fair characterization?)
In capable hands Illinois is a top 10-15 program. Call that what you want.
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In capable hands Illinois is a top 10-15 program. Call that what you want.
I agree. But apparently I am unreasonable.
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It's not unreasonable to think Illinois can be a top-10 or -15 program, what's unreasonable is making your determination exclusively on the single elimination tournament.
I bet there aren't 15 major conference teams who have been notably better than us the last four years, but could be wrong. We're certainly closer to that right now than we've been since Dee Brown graduated.
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How many programs make the S16 every year?
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How many programs make the S16 every year?
16 programs make the S16 every year.
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I suggested that it would be the same bar applied to every coach since Weber.
Fucking Connecticut has been kicking ass (and had its doldrums and shit canned the coach) and Illinois can't? What the hell is wrong with you people?
Coming into this season Dan Hurley had been at UConn for four years, had a 73-47 (40-32) record with two tournament appearances and two first round losses to lower seeds. You'd have wanted him fired and had a snarky nickname for him and everything.
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16 programs make the S16 every year.
I kind of figured you'd avoid the question, yeah.
If you're interested, two programs have been to 4 straight or more and 345 teams are on a 1 or 0 streak.
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Lack of NCAA tourney success and last year's basketball-that-made-the-eyes-bleed have to be taken into account, IMO.
But largely, I agree with Spark in the overall picture since Underwood has been here. A big upgrade from where he started.
It is time to have some NCAA success or his seat should be getting at least a little bit warm.
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It's not unreasonable to think Illinois can be a top-10 or -15 program, what's unreasonable is making your determination exclusively on the single elimination tournament.
I bet there aren't 15 major conference teams who have been notably better than us the last four years, but could be wrong. We're certainly closer to that right now than we've been since Dee Brown graduated.
Ask UCONN fans if they give a shit about Big East Regular Season titles or NCAA Championships. We know the answer. Why is it unreasonable for Illini fans to focus on winning NCAA Championships?
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I kind of figured you'd avoid the question, yeah.
If you're interested, two programs have been to 4 straight or more and 345 teams are on a 1 or 0 streak.
Maybe you should have worded the question in a different manner?
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Ask UCONN fans if they give a shit about Big East Regular Season titles or NCAA Championships. We know the answer. Why is it unreasonable for Illini fans to focus on winning NCAA Championships?
You'd have been screaming from the mountaintops that Dan Hurley sucked and should be fired before last season.
My guess is UConn fans like when they win their league, as do 99.9% of fans everywhere.
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Maybe you should have worded the question in a different manner?
I assumed you were intelligent enough to recognize what I meant. My mistake, I guess..
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Coming into this season Dan Hurley had been at UConn for four years, had a 73-47 (40-32) record with two tournament appearances and two first round losses to lower seeds. You'd have wanted him fired and had a snarky nickname for him and everything.
And his seat was getting hot, wasn't it?
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/UConn-men-s-basketball-Dan-Hurley-NCAA-Tournament-17499577.php
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And his seat was getting hot, wasn't it?
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/UConn-men-s-basketball-Dan-Hurley-NCAA-Tournament-17499577.php
Hahaha, he had had considerably less success than Underwood has. Looks like in your article the AD mocked the idea too.
""I would say, 'Or what?'," UConn athletic director David Benedict asked, rhetorically, with his trademark wry smile. "If we don't win an NCAA tournament game ...?"
Dan Hurley gets fired? Hurley is on the hot seat? No, of course not. Barring some completely unforeseen circumstances, neither scenario will be anywhere near in play. And likely not for several years to come, either."
You'd have been losing your mind about how much he sucked and then he won the title, because the single elimination tournament is fickle and relying exclusively on the results of it to judge coaches and programs is monumentally stupid.
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I assumed you were intelligent enough to recognize what I meant. My mistake, I guess..
Very Tempo-esque. Don't blame me because you cannot phrase your question properly. I certainly do not assume the level of your intelligence at this point.
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Very Tempo-esque. Don't blame me because you cannot phrase your question properly. I certainly do not assume the level of your intelligence at this point.
I mean, it was a pretty simple question. You knew what I meant but decided to avoid the question and troll instead, because the answer to the question kind of undercuts your whole stupid argument.
If you want to claim you just weren't smart enough to recognize what I meant when I asked "how many programs go to the S16 every year?" that's fine, but it's kind of funny to claim that as a win.
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Hahaha, he had had considerably less success than Underwood has. Looks like in your article the AD mocked the idea too.
You'd have been losing your mind about how much he sucked and then he won the title, because the single elimination tournament is fickle and relying exclusively on the results of it to judge coaches and programs is monumentally stupid.
I had not even thought about UCONN until using them to show what sad sacks you guys are who are ecstatic with Regular Season Titles and how The Tournament is "fickle."
Good fucking thing Ozzie Guillen and Joe Maddon were not just happy winning a division since playoff baseball can be so "fickle." How pathetic you sound.
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Another quote from your article:
""We had a type of season (in 2021-22) that earned us a five-seed in the NCAA tournament, which was the best seed we've had here in a long time," Hurley noted. "Two things can be true: I think we had a successful year until that point, (and) I've got to find a way to get the program over the hump, to go from contending to a championship team in our league."
Somebody should tell him what a fucking loser he is for this one.
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I mean, it was a pretty simple question. You knew what I meant but decided to avoid the question and troll instead, because the answer to the question kind of undercuts your whole stupid argument.
If you want to claim you just weren't smart enough to recognize what I meant when I asked "how many programs go to the S16 every year?" that's fine, but it's kind of funny to claim that as a win.
No, I do not know what you mean at this point. Given it makes no sense being so happy about B1G Regular Season titles instead of NCAA Championships.
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I had not even thought about UCONN until using them to show what sad sacks you guys are who are ecstatic with Regular Season Titles and how The Tournament is "fickle."
Good fucking thing Ozzie Guillen and Joe Maddon were not just happy winning a division since playoff baseball can be so "fickle." How pathetic you sound.
And to be clear - playoff baseball is a single elimination situation?
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No, I do not know what you mean at this point. Given it makes no sense being so happy about B1G Regular Season titles instead of NCAA Championships.
Bragging that you're not smart enough to understand a simple question is a new peak for you bud. Great work.
I'm not sure what you mean by being happy about conference titles "instead of" NCAA titles. That doesn't make any sense, it's not an either/or proposition in any way. In fact, winning a B1G title means you're likely to get a good seed and have a better chance to win an NCAA title.
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Another quote from your article:
""We had a type of season (in 2021-22) that earned us a five-seed in the NCAA tournament, which was the best seed we've had here in a long time," Hurley noted. "Two things can be true: I think we had a successful year until that point, (and) I've got to find a way to get the program over the hump, to go from contending to a championship team in our league."
Somebody should tell him what a fucking loser he is for this one.
If he had not won, UCONN may have told him that.
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Bragging that you're not smart enough to understand a simple question is a new peak for you bud. Great work.
I'm not sure what you mean by being happy about conference titles "instead of" NCAA titles. That doesn't make any sense, it's not an either/or proposition in any way. In fact, winning a B1G title means you're likely to get a good seed and have a better chance to win an NCAA title.
Except I answered your crappily phrased question. Do a better job with the English language next time. If you can.
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Yeah, the AD mocking the idea sure made it seem like he was probably on the hot seat.
I appreciate you posting the article, it made my points pretty well.
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Except I answered your crappily phrased question. Do a better job with the English language next time. If you can.
Literally no one has ever been impressed by someone bragging that they weren't smart enough to understand a simple sentence. It's a weird thing to brag about.
You either knew what I was asking and were trolling, or somehow weren't smart enough to grasp an exceedingly simple question. Not sure which it was, but neither are particularly flattering for you - it's a weird thing to brag about.
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And to be clear - playoff baseball is a single elimination situation?
The best team with the best record does not always win, does it? No different from the NCAA Tournament.
I understand these concepts may be tough for you given your Tempo-esque grasp of the English language.
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The best team with the best record does not always win, does it? No different from the NCAA Tournament.
I understand these concepts may be tough for you given your Tempo-esque grasp of the English language.
And if you lose one game, your season's over?
Or is it literally a totally different format of playoff in a completely different sport?
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Yeah, the AD mocking the idea sure made it seem like he was probably on the hot seat.
I appreciate you posting the article, it made my points pretty well.
Seriously? Like ADs ever say anything until pulling the trigger. This is pathetic even from the likes of low expectation guys like you.
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Is it safe to assume you think Gonzaga, Houston, Arkansas, UCLA, and Miami (FL) are the top-5 programs right now?
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Seriously? Like ADs ever say anything until pulling the trigger. This is pathetic even from the likes of low expectation guys like you.
Hahaha, you posted an article with the AD mocking the idea of firing a coach who had resurrected their program for losing early in two straight tournaments and pretended it said the opposite of that. You posted an article with the coach you're lauding - who you would've been mocking a year ago - saying he values contending for their conference championships.
It was literally just Hurley and the UConn AD disagreeing with your takes explicitly.
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Literally no one has ever been impressed by someone bragging that they weren't smart enough to understand a simple sentence. It's a weird thing to brag about.
You either knew what I was asking and were trolling, or somehow weren't smart enough to grasp an exceedingly simple question. Not sure which it was, but neither are particularly flattering for you - it's a weird thing to brag about.
You should not be bragging about your inability to phrase a question. But this is Tempo's board. This is what passes.
Try and do better next time. If you can.
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You should not be bragging about your inability to phrase a question. But this is Tempo's board. This is what passes.
Try and do better next time. If you can.
I'll try to keep it to one syllable I guess, I apologize for overestimating your intelligence.
^^ the last sentence means "sorry i thought you were smarter" for the record
My guess is literally no one else had trouble understanding what I meant.
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Hahaha, you posted an article with the AD mocking the idea of firing a successful coach for losing early in two straight tournaments and pretended it said the opposite of that. You posted an article with the coach you're lauding - who you would've been mocking a year ago - saying he values contending for their conference championships.
It was literally just Hurley and the UConn AD disagreeing with your takes explicitly.
The problem is you are not kidding. You are incapable of figuring out the point.
Spark = Tempo is a match.
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And if you lose one game, your season's over?
Or is it literally a totally different format of playoff in a completely different sport?
You have become Tempo. Congrats on your mental descent post-COVID.
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The problem is you are not kidding. You are incapable of figuring out the point.
Spark = Tempo is a match.
In the last hour you've bragged that you weren't smart enough to understand a simple question, and then posted an article where both the coach and AD at UConn openly mock and disagree with the argument you're trying to make.
Brilliant stuff.
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You have become Tempo. Congrats on your mental descent post-COVID.
Tempo is still way, way fucking smarter than you.
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I'll try to keep it to one syllable I guess, I apologize for overestimating your intelligence.
^^ the last sentence means "sorry i thought you were smarter" for the record
My guess is literally no one else had trouble understanding what I meant.
Again, feel free to ask your question properly next time. It may take you some time, but it will hopefully be worth it.
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I asked it at a third grade reading level, figured that was sufficient. My bad on that, next time I will ask for the lowest possible common denominator.
Not sure I've ever seen someone brag about how they DON'T understand simple questions, but you make a lot of arguments that no reasonable person would make so obviously not that surprising.
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In the last hour you've bragged that you weren't smart enough to understand a simple question, and then posted an article where both the coach and AD at UConn openly mock and disagree with the argument you're trying to make.
Brilliant stuff.
What a shock the coach and AD disagree with a preseason article on whether the coach was on the hot seat! Why was the article even written again?
What happened to you during COVID? Seriously. This is sad.
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Tempo is still way, way fucking smarter than you.
Good luck with that one.
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Tempo is still way, way fucking smarter than you.
He's definitely came through COVID in better shape than you. That is for damn sure.
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"You guys are morons and losers for liking winning conference titles, this guy sucks and can't win in the tournament.
To prove it here's an article from a year ago about how fans of a different program were saying the same stupid shit, their coach and AD mocked it, and then they won the title"
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I asked it at a third grade reading level, figured that was sufficient. My bad on that, next time I will ask for the lowest possible common denominator.
Not sure I've ever seen someone brag about how they DON'T understand simple questions, but you make a lot of arguments that no reasonable person would make so obviously not that surprising.
Yet you admit it was open to 2 interpretations. Of course, you cannot be the idiot who did not phrase the question to prevent that.
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Yet you admit it was open to 2 interpretations. Of course, you cannot be the idiot who did not phrase the question to prevent that.
Nah, I sincerely doubt anyone else here struggled to get it. I just was operating on the assumption that the people responding to me could read at a middle school level. My mistake on that.
Like if you really want to keep going on and on bragging about how you didn't understand an exceedingly simple question, have at it. I don't get off on bragging that I'm not very smart, personally, but whatever works for you.
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"You guys are morons and losers for liking winning conference titles, this guy sucks and can't win in the tournament.
To prove it here's an article from a year ago about how fans of a different program were saying the same stupid shit, their coach and AD mocked it, and then they won the title"
So the guy was on the hot seat with the fans, such that the dude wrote an article about it preseason, and you are shocked the coach and AD said he was not on the hot seat. Wow.
I know this is complicated for a guy who asks a question that can be interpreted in 2 ways and gets mad when it is answered in one of the two ways. Point was, his seat was getting hot enough where questions about it were being asked and it was addressed by the powers that be.
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Nah, I sincerely doubt anyone else here struggled to get it. I just was operating on the assumption that the people responding to me could read at a middle school level. My mistake on that.
Like if you really want to keep going on and on bragging about how you didn't understand an exceedingly simple question, have at it. I don't get off on bragging that I'm not very smart, personally, but whatever works for you.
You are the guy bragging about being mad that a question that could be responded to in one of two ways was responded to in one of the two ways.
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You posted an article about how fans were turning on him and the AD thought it was stupid and then he won the title. It could not possibly have undercut the point you thought you were making more, it's hilarious.
If there's anything to learn from the article you posted, it's that firing a dude who turned your program around from an also-ran to a nationally relevant program would be stupid. You would've been screaming to fire him, and firing him would've cost UConn the title.
"Yes I posted an article here the AD mocked my argument but what did you expect the AD to say!?" Admittedly, that's what I expected the AD to say, because it's a silly argument to make.
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You are the guy bragging about being mad that a question that could be responded to in one of two ways was responded to in one of the two ways.
I'm not mad, I think it's hilarious. I asked a simple question and you knew you couldn't answer it without your point looking stupid so you trolled instead, and since you dug in now you have to brag that you just weren't smart enough to understand the simple question to begin with.
It's absolutely hilarious that you're claiming a win on this. I'll give it to you - you didn't understand my very simple question. Congrats on the big win!
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You posted an article about how fans were turning on him and the AD thought it was stupid and then he won the title. It could not possibly have undercut the point you thought you were making more, it's hilarious.
If there's anything to learn from the article you posted, it's that firing a dude who turned your program around from an also-ran to a nationally relevant program would be stupid. You would've been screaming to fire him, and firing him would've cost UConn the title.
"Yes I posted an article here the AD mocked my argument but what did you expect the AD to say!?" Admittedly, that's what I expected the AD to say, because it's a silly argument to make.
This is sad. The fact is the article was written and the AD and coach even commented on it. The pressure was building.
This is Tempo-level stuff, Spark. I do not know what happened to you.
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And then he won the title.
Just could not have come up with a more complete repudiation of your stupid argument than that.
An article from a year ago about how UConn fans were saying the same stupid shit you are, the AD and coach both openly laughed at the idea that it'd cause his seat to be hot, and then he won the title. It completely undermined your point. Surely you see that.
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And then he won the title.
Just could not have come up with a more complete repudiation of your stupid argument than that.
An article from a year ago about how UConn fans were saying the same stupid shit you are, the AD and coach both openly laughed at the idea that it'd cause his seat to be hot, and then he won the title. It completely undermined your point. Surely you see that.
And his seat was getting hot, wasn't it?
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/UConn-men-s-basketball-Dan-Hurley-NCAA-Tournament-17499577.php
The whole point and they wrote an article on it preseason. Shocking that the coach and AD would even respond, to be honest.
I know it is your shtick these days but you may want to refrain questioning the intelligence of the other posters here (like you did to Jasn). It is just embarrassing at this point.
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Next time I am trying to make an argument and post an article that totally decimates that argument, you just let me know.
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Next time I am trying to make an argument and post an article that totally decimates that argument, you just let me know.
Shadow of the poster you once were. And you mock the intelligence of others. Sad.
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To prove my intelligence, I'm going to post my IQ test showing I'm in the 14th percentile!
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To prove my intelligence, I'm going to post my IQ test showing I'm in the 14th percentile!
I am guessing said test results were pre-COVID.
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16 programs make the S16 every year.
Lol
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Jesus. Gonna take a half hour to catch up in this thread just from posts in the last 45 minutes.
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Lol
I am glad you got the joke.....
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Jesus. Gonna take a half hour to catch up in this thread just from posts in the last 45 minutes.
It isn't worth it.
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4 pages in a little over an hour…pew, pew, pew!
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And here somebody said they were gonna miss Dom. ;D
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Coming into this season Dan Hurley had been at UConn for four years, had a 73-47 (40-32) record with two tournament appearances and two first round losses to lower seeds. You'd have wanted him fired and had a snarky nickname for him and everything.
This seems to check out.
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And here somebody said they were gonna miss Dom. ;D
In the end, that may actually be true. Now there is no one to "unite" us....
Maybe I can be that "big toe"...
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Lack of NCAA tourney success and last year's basketball-that-made-the-eyes-bleed have to be taken into account, IMO.
But largely, I agree with Spark in the overall picture since Underwood has been here. A big upgrade from where he started.
It is time to have some NCAA success or his seat should be getting at least a little bit warm.
Totally reasonable.
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but it's kind of funny to claim that as a win.
See:
1) Tempo likes John Wick movies
2) Tempo admits he’d consider drafting Caleb Williams if he were coming out this year
3) Belichick praised Flus.
4) Too many others too remember off hand
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Bragging that you're not smart enough to understand a simple question is a new peak for you bud. Great work.
I'm not sure what you mean by being happy about conference titles "instead of" NCAA titles. That doesn't make any sense, it's not an either/or proposition in any way. In fact, winning a B1G title means you're likely to get a good seed and have a better chance to win an NCAA title.
I thought his response was funny, but you’re right otherwise.
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Tempo is still way, way fucking smarter than you.
This seems to check out.
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Literally no one has ever been impressed by someone bragging that they weren't smart enough to understand a simple sentence. It's a weird thing to brag about.
You either knew what I was asking and were trolling, or somehow weren't smart enough to grasp an exceedingly simple question. Not sure which it was, but neither are particularly flattering for you - it's a weird thing to brag about.
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Trolling is the only shot in his bag these days.
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See:
1) Tempo likes John Wick movies
2) Tempo admits he’d consider drafting Caleb Williams if he were coming out this year
3) Belichick praised Flus.
4) Too many others too remember off hand
1) Tempo likes John Wick movies - The point was you decried school and other shootings (of course), yet that day went to see a movie glamorizing gun violence.
2) Tempo admits he’d consider drafting Caleb Williams if he were coming out this year. - I do not remember this one.
3) Belichick praised Flus. - You said he praised Flus' building of a culture. You do not believe that was a little "over the top"?
4) Too many others too remember off hand - You are a man, over 40, and an ex-Marine. You can take it.
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The best team with the best record does not always win, does it? No different from the NCAA Tournament.
I understand these concepts may be tough for you given your Tempo-esque grasp of the English language.
See. Even when responding to you, he feels the incessant need to troll me.
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This seems to check out.
Of course, says the guy who put his response inside the quotes of a post....
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See. Even when responding to you, he feels the incessant need to troll me.
He has resorted to your tactics.
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I'll try to keep it to one syllable I guess, I apologize for overestimating your intelligence.
^^ the last sentence means "sorry i thought you were smarter" for the record
My guess is literally no one else had trouble understanding what I meant.
There is no need to guess.
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He has resorted to your tactics.
Such as? All you do is troll anymore. You used to use that skill cleverly. Now it’s you’re only shot in the bag.
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1) Tempo likes John Wick movies - The point was you decried school and other shootings (of course), yet that day went to see a movie glamorizing gun violence.
2) Tempo admits he’d consider drafting Caleb Williams if he were coming out this year. - I do not remember this one.
3) Belichick praised Flus. - You said he praised Flus' building of a culture. You do not believe that was a little "over the top"?
4) Too many others too remember off hand - You are a man, over 40, and an ex-Marine. You can take it.
1) No one with an ounce of brains thinks John Wick movies are the cause of school shootings. Or even play a significant role.
2) You had it in your sig.
3) Ask Belichick. But you’re mocking me for something that literally happened.
4) I can.
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Jesus, still have like 2 pages to catch up. This is like the old days. We apparently had a lot of time on our hands.
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Such as? All you do is troll anymore. You used to use that skill cleverly. Now it’s you’re only shot in the bag.
I mentioned that Hurley's seat maybe was getting hot before the season. I even cited an article which discussed that, and included the rejection of said claims by the coach and the AD (what a shocker!). The fact that the article was written, and that the coach and the AD even addressed the claim, was the important part. Of course, Spark, when faced with that, just focused on how the coach and the AD denied the proposition. (Shocking!) That is from the Tempo School of Arguing.
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Yet you admit it was open to 2 interpretations. Of course, you cannot be the idiot who did not phrase the question to prevent that.
Also, funny. But only PAMan could make this joke and have it land. Because only he would purposely play dumb for 3 pages to “own someone.”
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1) No one with an ounce of brains thinks John Wick movies are the cause of school shootings. Or even play a significant role.
2) You had it in your sig.
3) Ask Belichick. But you’re mocking me for something that literally happened.
4) I can.
1) No one with an ounce of brains thinks John Wick movies are the cause of school shootings. Or even play a significant role. - I do not think you can say that.
2) You had it in your sig. -I do not believe Caleb Williams was in the sig, but ok.
3) Ask Belichick. But you’re mocking me for something that literally happened. - That he praised Flus' Building of a Culture? On the heels of 12-9 loss to the Commander? C'mon.
4) I can. - I know you can.
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I am glad you got the joke.....
Yeah, but digging in for 3 pages on it is low-level stuff, even from you.
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It isn't worth it.
Probably true. I did it anyway.
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And here somebody said they were gonna miss Dom. ;D
Was about to say the same thing! Maybe we needed to rid him to get the ire re-directed to more productive places!
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Yeah, but digging in for 3 pages on it is low-level stuff, even from you.
I cannot help that Spark is defensive over a question subject to 2 interpretations, 1 of which can be comedic in nature.
As you have today, the Internet is Serious Business.
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Probably true. I did it anyway.
I tried to warn you.
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Of course, says the guy who put his response inside the quotes of a post....
Trying to keep up with this furious pace is likely to cause some errant shots.
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Trying to keep up with this furious pace is likely to cause some errant shots.
I am just giving you the business.
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I mentioned that Hurley's seat maybe was getting hot before the season. I even cited an article which discussed that, and included the rejection of said claims by the coach and the AD (what a shocker!). The fact that the article was written, and that the coach and the AD even addressed the claim, was the important part. Of course, Spark, when faced with that, just focused on how the coach and the AD denied the proposition. (Shocking!) That is from the Tempo School of Arguing.
I have to agree with you here. The fact the article was written and the denials had to occur would imply there was heat on his seat. Having said that, Spark is correct in the larger view. Ex: Underwood should not be feeling any heat (this year). If he has a another year like the last, it’ll be fair to question how hot his seat is. Especially if recruiting is shaky.
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Yeah, but digging in for 3 pages on it is low-level stuff, even from you.
You say that, but the bigotry of low expectations is far too strong in this fanbase. Too many people settling for B1G Regular Season titles. Meanwhile, over at UCONN the fans are shooting for NCAA Championships. Makes me want to puke.
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I have to agree with you here. The fact the article was written and the denials had to occur would imply there was heat on his seat. Having said that, Spark is correct in the larger view. Ex: Underwood should not be feeling any heat (this year). If he has a another year like the last, it’ll be fair to question how hot his seat is. Especially if recruiting is shaky.
Is all it takes for a college coach's seat to be hot is for idiot fans to say "fire him!"? Underwood's been on the hot seat for years if that's the case.
I have never heard anyone say someone's "seat is getting hot" without meaning "in the eyes of the person who could fire him". And the AD openly mocked the idea in the article. It's pretty clear from that article that his seat was not remotely hot at the time it was written.
And at it's core, the fact that that guy won the title less than a year later is not really compelling evidence that the "fire him" people were making a reasonable argument, is it?
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This is The Cesspool and even Custard and QAnon97 are happy to settle for B1G Regular Season Championships. People here getting too old and wealthy!
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I have to agree with you here. The fact the article was written and the denials had to occur would imply there was heat on his seat. Having said that, Spark is correct in the larger view. Ex: Underwood should not be feeling any heat (this year). If he has a another year like the last, it’ll be fair to question how hot his seat is. Especially if recruiting is shaky.
Well thank you for understanding the point.
I get that Underachiever is not feeling the heat. Why should he? This fanbase, fuck, even The Cesspoolers, will settle for competing for Big Regular Season championships.
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I don't think anyone would be more happy with a conference title than a national title, but the notion that being happy when your team wins a bunch of games and their conference is a loser's mentality is brand new, never seen that one before.
Which makes sense, because it's very stupid.
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Is all it takes for a college coach's seat to be hot is for idiot fans to say "fire him!"? Underwood's been on the hot seat for years if that's the case.
I have never heard anyone say someone's "seat is getting hot" without meaning "in the eyes of the person who could fire him". And the AD openly mocked the idea in the article. It's pretty clear from that article that his seat was not remotely hot at the time it was written.
And at it's core, the fact that that guy won the title less than a year later is not really compelling evidence that the "fire him" people were making a reasonable argument, is it?
SMDH.....Tempo, feel free to take over. You got the point I was making....There is no reason to rehash this. I explained it twice.
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His seat was hot because the AD made fun of people for suggesting his seat was hot?
It makes sense to whine about not winning titles and want the coach fired because some dumb UConn fans wanted their coach fired and then he won the title?
Only losers like winning conference titles which is why the current national champion head coach made it clear he valued competing for conference titles?
There's simply no way to interpret the article you posted in a way that doesn't undercut your arguments completely. Maybe the UConn AD and coach were totally wrong and you're right, I guess, but it doesn't really seem like it..
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I don't think anyone would be more happy with a conference title than a national title, but the notion that being happy when your team wins a bunch of games and their conference is a loser's mentality is brand new, never seen that one before.
Which makes sense, because it's very stupid.
I get that you do not get it. You are satisfied. Good thing you were not on the team trying to land someone on the Moon.
Nah, were good just orbiting the Earth. Let's just be satisfied with that. No reason to shoot for landing on the Moon.
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His seat was hot because the AD made fun of people for suggesting his seat was hot?
It makes sense to whine about not winning titles and want the coach fired because some dumb UConn fans wanted their coach fired and then he won the title?
Only losers like winning conference titles which is why the current national champion head coach made it clear he valued competing for conference titles?
There's simply no way to interpret the article you posted in a way that doesn't undercut your arguments completely. Maybe the UConn AD and coach were totally wrong and you're right, I guess, but it doesn't really seem like it..
Tempo wins The HQ2 today because he can comprehend a rather simple point. And his questions and comments today have been tight and focused.
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Oh, I am enjoying that Spark Sanctimonious, who regularly pokes the intelligence of others (Jasn, JudgeJudy), refuses to/can't understand a point that Tempo got.
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I get that you do not get it. You are satisfied. Good thing you were not on the team trying to land someone on the Moon.
The NASA guys still cheer and celebrate and break out champagne when they successfully launch a rocket - fucking losers.
Why stop at the moon? That's a loser's mentality. Just content with mediocrity.
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The NASA guys still cheer and celebrate and break out champagne when they successfully launch a rocket - fucking losers.
Why stop at the moon? That's a loser's mentality. Just content with mediocrity.
Your performance today has been pitiful.
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Oh, I am enjoying that Spark Sanctimonious, who regularly pokes the intelligence of others (Jasn, JudgeJudy), refuses to/can't understand a point that Tempo got.
I get your point. I also get that your article, rather than evidencing it, undercut it nearly entirely.
It was about the worst possible example you could've given. It'd have been really great evidence if you were trying to prove how dumb it would be to fire a successful coach for failing a couple times in a single elimination tournament, though.
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Your performance today has been pitiful.
Hahaha, I love that you think that.
Today you have bragged about how you weren't smart enough to understand a simple question, and posted evidence that actively countered the argument you were making.
You have successfully undercut every argument you've made today, so I'm definitely glad you didn't call my "performance" good.
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Tempo wins The HQ2 today because he can comprehend a rather simple point.
This is as good as that time Dom came to gloat about how Shannon hadn't announced he was coming back about 25 minutes before he did.
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I get your point. I also get that your article, rather than evidencing it, undercut it nearly entirely.
It was about the worst possible example you could've given. It'd have been really great evidence if you were trying to prove how dumb it would be to fire a successful coach for failing a couple times in a single elimination tournament, though.
No you did not. It is obvious you still do not. Even after Tempo explained it. I know you will continue on as you are defensive in these types of situations since you call others here dumb, etc. etc.
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Hahaha, I love that you think that.
Today you have bragged about how you weren't smart enough to understand a simple question, and posted evidence that actively countered the argument you were making.
You have successfully undercut every argument you've made today, so I'm definitely glad you didn't call my "performance" good.
Tempo, he still does not get it. You have become a really small man, Spark.
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No, I got the point you were trying to make.
See? UConn's fans wanted him fired last year because he'd lost in the first round two straight years, they don't accept anything less than NCAA titles. That's the point you wanted the article to make.
The point the article actually made though was far, far different, especially in light of how stupid those fans who wanted to fire him look now, less than a year later. It also featured the coach saying specifically that he wants to compete for conference titles. Do you think your article about how a year ago UConn fans wanted the current national champion fired really makes those fans look good? It doesn't. It makes them look very, very silly.
I saw the point you WANTED to make with the article, but I also saw that the article you posted actually completely undercut your point instead.
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This is as good as that time Dom came to gloat about how Shannon hadn't announced he was coming back about 25 minutes before he did.
No, it is not. Tempo got the point. You didn't. You still don't. It is as simple as that. Which is what makes your continual criticisms of others', like Jasn's and Judy's, intelligence much more ironic.
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Nah, I saw the point you were trying to make.
I also saw how poorly you failed to do that and how bad an example the article you posted was.
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No, I got the point you were trying to make.
See? UConn's fans wanted him fired last year because he'd lost in the first round two straight years, they don't accept anything less than NCAA titles. That's the point you wanted the article to make.
The point the article actually made though was far, far different, especially in light of how stupid those fans who wanted to fire him look now, less than a year later. It also featured the coach saying specifically that he wants to compete for conference titles. Do you think your article about how a year ago UConn fans wanted the current national champion fired really makes those fans look good? It doesn't. It makes them look very, very silly.
I saw the point you WANTED to make with the article, but I also saw that the article you posted actually completely undercut your point instead.
You still do not get it. I have explained it twice. Tempo got it. You still have not. The stubbornness in failing to comprehend is something to behold. Congrats.
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Nah, I saw the point you were trying to make.
I also saw how poorly you failed to do that and how bad an example the article you posted was.
No, you did not. This has proven that your willingness to pick on others for their intelligence is a mask for your own intellectual deficiencies. At least we all got that out of this today.
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Here was your explanation:
"I mentioned that Hurley's seat maybe was getting hot before the season. I even cited an article which discussed that, and included the rejection of said claims by the coach and the AD (what a shocker!). The fact that the article was written, and that the coach and the AD even addressed the claim, was the important part. Of course, Spark, when faced with that, just focused on how the coach and the AD denied the proposition. (Shocking!) That is from the Tempo School of Arguing."
The important part was that the AD addressed the suggestion that his seat was getting hot - ignoring that he addressed it by literally mocking people who might've thought that.
Yes, there were idiot UConn fans who wanted Dan Hurley fired for bringing their program back and then losing in the first round two years in a row. Those fans look particularly stupid right now. Agree?
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No, you did not. This has proven that your willingness to pick on others for their intelligence is a mask for your own intellectual deficiencies. At least we all got that out of this today.
I already told you man, if you want proof I'm intelligent I can show you my IQ test - 14th percentile!
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I'm actually curious, what does it mean to you for someone's seat to be hot?
To me, that means that the person who could fire them is considering it. It doesn't mean that some fans of the school somewhere are saying the coach should be fired - someone's seat "heating up" has always meant that the AD or GM or whoever could fire a guy is considering or headed towards doing it.
That was pretty clearly not the case at UConn, based on the article you posted. And I'm sure they're glad it wasn't right now.
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Here was your explanation:
"I mentioned that Hurley's seat maybe was getting hot before the season. I even cited an article which discussed that, and included the rejection of said claims by the coach and the AD (what a shocker!). The fact that the article was written, and that the coach and the AD even addressed the claim, was the important part. Of course, Spark, when faced with that, just focused on how the coach and the AD denied the proposition. (Shocking!) That is from the Tempo School of Arguing."
The important part was that the AD addressed the suggestion that his seat was getting hot - ignoring that he addressed it by literally mocking people who might've thought that.
Yes, there were idiot UConn fans who wanted Dan Hurley fired for bringing their program back and then losing in the first round two years in a row. Those fans look particularly stupid right now. Agree?
Your question is completely irrelevant as it has zilch to do with the point. You still do not get the point of the reference and why it was raised despite it being right there in front of you.
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I already told you man, if you want proof I'm intelligent I can show you my IQ test - 14th percentile!
As mentioned, I am guessing it was taken pre-COVID. Because you have lost your fastball.
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No again, I see the point. I took it directly from your post which I quoted.
"The important thing is that the AD addressed it".
The AD was directly asked about it, and his response was to mock people who might think Hurley was on the hot seat.
How did it support your point? Do you think the fans who wanted Hurley fired before last season for losing in two straight tournaments look really smart now, or do they look really dumb?
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As mentioned, I am guessing it was taken pre-COVID. Because you have lost your fastball.
Again, absolutely love that you think that. Just hilarious.
You've been desperately flailing, arguing against yourself, talking that bullshit all afternoon and looked like a complete clown in doing so, again.
I love that you keep trying to project that onto me.
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To me, that means that the person who could fire them is considering it. It doesn't mean that some fans of the school somewhere are saying the coach should be fired - someone's seat "heating up" has always meant that the AD or GM or whoever could fire a guy is considering or headed towards doing it.
That was pretty clearly not the case at UConn, based on the article you posted. And I'm sure they're glad it wasn't right now.
I disagree with your interpretation and do not believe it is accurate.
And, again, do you really think an AD, before the season, would tell some guy at a blog that the coach was on the "hot seat"? Seriously? How naďve are you?
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No again, I see the point. I took it directly from your post which I quoted.
"The important thing is that the AD addressed it".
The AD was directly asked about it, and his response was to mock people who might think Hurley was on the hot seat.
How did it support your point? Do you think the fans who wanted Hurley fired before last season for losing in two straight tournaments look really smart now, or do they look really dumb?
It is readily apparent that IQ test do not measure naivety.
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I disagree with your interpretation and do not believe it is accurate.
And, again, do you really think an AD, before the season, would tell some guy at a blog that the coach was on the "hot seat"? Seriously? How naďve are you?
I think an AD could've answered in a way that didn't openly mock the question for even being asked, yeah. In fact, I think the huge huge majority of ADs would do that if the question was asked and the guy WAS on the hot seat. The article makes it clear the AD thought it was a silly question.
I'll ask again, do you think the fans the article was about that wanted Hurley fired before last season look reasonable and smart here? AOTC?
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Again, absolutely love that you think that. Just hilarious.
You've been desperately flailing, arguing against yourself, talking that bullshit all afternoon and looked like a complete clown in doing so, again.
I love that you keep trying to project that onto me.
Something happened during COVID, that's for sure. We knew you were naďve, but man....
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It is readily apparent that IQ test do not measure naivety.
You're avoiding the question.
The UConn fans who demanded more, who wanted Dan Hurley fired for losing early in a couple straight tournaments - how do they look now? Smart?
Would it have been a smart move to capitulate to those fans?
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I think an AD could've answered in a way that didn't openly mock the question for even being asked, yeah. In fact, I think the huge huge majority of ADs would do that if the question was asked and the guy WAS on the hot seat. The article makes it clear the AD thought it was a silly question.
I'll ask again, do you think the fans the article was about that wanted Hurley fired before last season look reasonable and smart here? AOTC?
No, he answered it as an AD would and should regardless of the truth. That you are even trumpeting this point is patently ludicrous.
I really do not care, but he could wind up being Kevin Ollie for all we know.
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You're avoiding the question.
The UConn fans who demanded more, who wanted Dan Hurley fired for losing early in a couple straight tournaments - how do they look now? Smart?
Would it have been a smart move to capitulate to those fans?
It is completely irrelevant to the point. That you cannot see that says more about you than anything else written today.
We also do not know if he was told to win or he was gone, do we?
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No, he answered it as an AD would and should regardless of the truth. That you are even trumpeting this point is patently ludicrous.
I really do not care, but he could wind up being Kevin Ollie for all we know.
Hahaha, the guy laughed at the fact that the question even got asked.
When you just ignore that and project your own views onto him, it’s really easy to pretend you won an argument.
Yes, I don’t doubt that some UConn fans wanted Hurley fired before this season. There’s no question those fans look pretty dumb for wanting that right now though.
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It is completely irrelevant to the point. That you cannot see that says more about you than anything else written today.
We also do not know if he was told to win or he was gone, do we?
It makes sense that you would continue avoiding the question. Same thing you did last time.
We both know the answer though. Those fans who were making the same arguments you are look very very dumb less than one year later. It’s an amazing argument for not making silly short sighted decisions based on a single elimination tournament, for sure.
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Hahaha, the guy laughed at the fact that the question even got asked.
When you just ignore that and project your own views onto him, it’s really easy to pretend you won an argument.
Yes, I don’t doubt that some UConn fans wanted Hurley fired before this season. There’s no question those fans look pretty dumb for wanting that right now though.
As said before, and which Tempo understood, the fact that he even answered a question on the subject was something. That you do not get that has been completely laid bare.
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In capable hands Illinois is a top 10-15 program. Call that what you want.
Someone elsewhere argued that deep runs in the tournament are the norm for the program, barring sanctions or incompetent leadership.
In the last 70 years, we have won two or more games in the tournament 7 times. That is a lot getting busted or incompetence.
1983-84 2 EE
1984-85 2 S16
1988-89 4 FF
2000-01 3 EE
2001-02 2 S16
2003-04 2 S16
2004-05 5 CG
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What should he have done? Ignored it? Silent treatment for the reporter who asked?
Sounds like he handled it with the amount of seriousness he thought the idea deserved - not much. And turns out that yes, those fans were being short sighted and if they had gotten their way likely would’ve cost UConn a national title.
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It makes sense that you would continue avoiding the question. Same thing you did last time.
We both know the answer though. Those fans who were making the same arguments you are look very very dumb less than one year later. It’s an amazing argument for not making silly short sighted decisions based on a single elimination tournament, for sure.
I did answer it. Who knows? He could be Kevin Ollie.
Yet, in fact, the reverse could be true. A single elimination tournament could have saved his job. We do not know.
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I did answer it. Who knows? He could be Kevin Ollie.
Yet, in fact, the reverse could be true. A single elimination tournament could have saved his job. We do not know.
Hahaha so the national title wasn’t enough?
Maybe those fans who wanted him fired a year ago were really right?
My god man do you even read this stupid shit you’re typing?
If you read that article about how a year ago some UConn fans wanted Hurley fired and think “and those people were being reasonable”, I literally don’t even know what to say. Those people look like absolute clowns right now. If they had gotten their way it would’ve cost them a national title.
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What should he have done? Ignored it? Silent treatment for the reporter who asked?
Sounds like he handled it with the amount of seriousness he thought the idea deserved - not much. And turns out that yes, those fans were being short sighted and if they had gotten their way likely would’ve cost UConn a national title.
No, he answered it as an AD would and should regardless of the truth. That you are even trumpeting this point is patently ludicrous.
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Yes, he was obviously correct to laugh at the idea that Hurley would be on the hot seat.
I fail to see how that supports the notion that you’re being reasonable by parroting the same shit those fans who look silly now were though. I definitely see how it supports the opposite notion.
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Hahaha so the national title wasn’t enough?
Maybe those fans who wanted him fired a year ago were really right?
My god man do you even read this stupid shit you’re typing?
If you read that article about how a year ago some UConn fans wanted Hurley fired and think “and those people were being reasonable”, I literally don’t even know what to say. Those people look like absolute clowns right now.
You do not comprehend that it is possible that winning the tournament saved his job? After all, there were reporters asking if his job was in jeopardy pre-season.
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You do not comprehend that it is possible that winning the tournament saved his job? After all, there were reporters asking if his job was in jeopardy pre-season.
Yes, and it was clear what the AD thought of the notion too.
The AD was correct. It would’ve been really silly to capitulate to the fans wanting him fired. It would’ve cost them a national title.
You have really successfully made an argument that those fans were short sighted and silly, but you’re trying to make the opposite argument somehow with the same evidence.
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Yes, he was obviously correct to laugh at the idea that Hurley would be on the hot seat.
I fail to see how that supports the notion that you’re being reasonable by parroting the same shit those fans who look silly now were though. I definitely see how it supports the opposite notion.
You still do not get the point. That you have been exposed for the dullard that you are is at least something that was gained from today's conversation. Looking like the IQ Test does not mean much in the grand scheme of things.
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I had not even thought about UCONN until using them to show what sad sacks you guys are who are ecstatic with Regular Season Titles and how The Tournament is "fickle."
Good fucking thing Ozzie Guillen and Joe Maddon were not just happy winning a division since playoff baseball can be so "fickle." How pathetic you sound.
I quit following baseball. When did the playoffs and world series go to single elimination?
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Yes, and it was clear what the AD thought of the notion too.
The AD was correct. It would’ve been really silly to capitulate to the fans wanting him fired. It would’ve cost them a national title.
You have really successfully made an argument that those fans were short sighted and silly, but you’re trying to make the opposite argument somehow with the same evidence.
And yet again establishing that you are pivoting once the point was made. Again, Tempo-esque level arguing on your part. Congrats.
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I quit following baseball. When did the playoffs and world series go to single elimination?
LOL.
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You still do not get the point. That you have been exposed for the dullard that you are is at least something that was gained from today's conversation. Looking like the IQ Test does not mean much in the grand scheme of things.
You've sure managed to convince me that yes, UConn also has short-sighted fans like we do, and they very quickly were made to look silly. That if UConn would've given into the people making the same arguments you are, it would've cost them a national title.
Good work!
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And yet again establishing that you are pivoting once the point was made. Again, Tempo-esque level arguing on your part. Congrats.
Tempo pretty consistently makes your arguments look really, really silly here so - yes, I guess so.
Admittedly, it didn't take too much work - I only had to read the article you posted. You did most of the work here.
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You've sure managed to convince me that yes, UConn also has short-sighted fans like we do, and they very quickly were made to look silly. That if UConn would've given into the people making the same arguments you are, it would've cost them a national title.
Good work!
Again, missing the point. You have proven the IQ Test to be worthless. Job well done.
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What I find particularly funny about it is, surely there's a school where people were making the same arguments you were and turned out right instead of wrong, isn't there?
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What I find particularly funny about it is, surely there's a school where people were making the same arguments you were and turned out right instead of wrong, isn't there?
You still do not get the point and why it was raised.
The funny part is you actually think you are intelligent, when you are not. "Mediocre white guy" appears to be a stretch.
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Tomorrow maybe I'll just let you make my arguments - I literally couldn't have argued against your point and short-sighted takes about our basketball program better than your article did.
A hilarious shot in the foot moment there, and then two hours of flailing trying to deflect away from it.
Just a chef's kiss.
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All my tests had me in the 97th percentile. I found that kind of frightening.
Those were, of course, pre-senility. I do still qualify for Mensa if I bothered to track down my old ACT score.
Way back then I was invited to be in Who's Who Among American High School Students, but they wanted money.
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Ermagherd, I go for a walk and 4 more pages…who needs Dom?! Lol
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You say that, but the bigotry of low expectations is far too strong in this fanbase. Too many people settling for B1G Regular Season titles. Meanwhile, over at UCONN the fans are shooting for NCAA Championships. Makes me want to puke
I don’t think it’s a matter of “settling.” Just knowing that conference titles aren’t meaningless just because you don’t have a natty. What if we make 3 S16s in a row? You gonna be satisfied with that? I doubt it.
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Is all it takes for a college coach's seat to be hot is for idiot fans to say "fire him!"? Underwood's been on the hot seat for years if that's the case.
I have never heard anyone say someone's "seat is getting hot" without meaning "in the eyes of the person who could fire him". And the AD openly mocked the idea in the article. It's pretty clear from that article that his seat was not remotely hot at the time it was written.
And at it's core, the fact that that guy won the title less than a year later is not really compelling evidence that the "fire him" people were making a reasonable argument, is it?
One thing PAMan has right is that an AD is almost never going to come out and say “Yeah, his seat is hot.” But you are correct on the larger point.
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I don’t think it’s a matter of “settling.” Just knowing that conference titles aren’t meaningless just because you don’t have a natty. What if we make 3 S16s in a row? You gonna be satisfied with that? I doubt it.
He's already started the "what if he's Kevin Ollie?" thing with Hurley to avoid acknowledging how short sighted it'd have been to fire him, I think it's a fair guess that that's what he'd say if Underwood won a national title this year. Sure he got one, but what if he only gets one?
As I've gotten older I've come to find that a weirdly large number of people watch sports specifically to have something to bitch about. There's never a point where they're happy, the draw is that they can complain. That's admittedly a mindset that's totally foreign to me. I complain about shit, but I don't enjoy it as much when I have a lot to complain about.
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Tempo wins The HQ2 today because he can comprehend a rather simple point. And his questions and comments today have been tight and focused.
Says the guy who couldn’t “comprehend” Spark’s question about how many programs make the S16 every year lol
Thanks for the props, though!
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I don’t think it’s a matter of “settling.” Just knowing that conference titles aren’t meaningless just because you don’t have a natty. What if we make 3 S16s in a row? You gonna be satisfied with that? I doubt it.
It would be called a start.
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Looks like Custard needs to start a Spark vs PAMan forum.
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Says the guy who couldn’t “comprehend” Spark’s question about how many programs make the S16 every year lol
Thanks for the props, though!
Yes, I could not "comprehend" it. LOL.
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I'm not stupid, I'm just a troll!
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Tomorrow maybe I'll just let you make my arguments - I literally couldn't have argued against your point and short-sighted takes about our basketball program better than your article did.
A hilarious shot in the foot moment there, and then two hours of flailing trying to deflect away from it.
Just a chef's kiss.
At least they would not be all over the place to distract from the points actually being made. Well, that admittedly depends on how much I have to drink.
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I'm actually curious, what does it mean to you for someone's seat to be hot?
To me, that means that the person who could fire them is considering it. It doesn't mean that some fans of the school somewhere are saying the coach should be fired - someone's seat "heating up" has always meant that the AD or GM or whoever could fire a guy is considering or headed towards doing it.
That was pretty clearly not the case at UConn, based on the article you posted. And I'm sure they're glad it wasn't right now.
I’d classify it as simply as people are feeling itchy or uncertain. Of course, the AD is going to be the one with the most say in who has a hot seat, but they’ll never come out and say someone’s seat is hot. I can’t think of any examples, anyway. Does Eberflus have a hot seat this year? I’d say not. But if he goes 5-12 could be gone the following Monday.
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I'm not stupid, I'm just a troll!
Better than being naive....
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It's great how laudable a stance you think it is.
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One thing PAMan has right is that an AD is almost never going to come out and say “Yeah, his seat is hot.”
Exactly.
Spark's subsequent points had nothing to do with the original topic as he pivoted.
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It's great how is laudable a stance you think it is.
If you actually had a sense of humor, this wouldn't be as fun.
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I’d classify it as simply as people are feeling itchy or uncertain. Of course, the AD is going to be the one with the most say in who has a hot seat, but they’ll never come out and say someone’s seat is hot. I can’t think of any examples, anyway. Does Eberflus have a hot seat this year? I’d say not. But if he goes 5-12 could be gone the following Monday.
Okay well, when people refer to 'the hot seat' regarding a coach it usually it refers to the likelihood of someone being fired, not whether "people are feeling itchy or uncertain" - so that was the definition I was using.
If you just meant "some fans are uncertain" then yeah, Underwood's got that. It's just not typically what someone means when discussing "the hot seat" for a coach.
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Exactly.
Spark's subsequent points had nothing to do with the original topic as he pivoted.
Hahaha, you appealed to Tempo like 5 times an hour ago, then you cut the bit out of this post where he said I was right about the overall point.
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He's already started the "what if he's Kevin Ollie?" thing with Hurley to avoid acknowledging how short sighted it'd have been to fire him, I think it's a fair guess that that's what he'd say if Underwood won a national title this year. Sure he got one, but what if he only gets one?
As I've gotten older I've come to find that a weirdly large number of people watch sports specifically to have something to bitch about. There's never a point where they're happy, the draw is that they can complain. That's admittedly a mindset that's totally foreign to me. I complain about shit, but I don't enjoy it as much when I have a lot to complain about.
Still missing the point to focus on something else. But we do not know if Hurley is Kevin Ollie or not. Time will tell.
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Hahaha, you appealed to Tempo like 5 times an hour ago, then you cut the bit out of this post where he said I was right about the overall point.
Because I added that they had zilch to do with the original topic.
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If you actually had a sense of humor, this wouldn't be as fun.
I simply prefer my humor to be funny. Different strokes.
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Because I added that they had zilch to do with the original topic.
You keep accidentally making your own arguments look silly. Whoops!
Maybe you're not really this dumb and just a troll though? Hard to tell because I'm so naive.
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I’d classify it as simply as people are feeling itchy or uncertain. Of course, the AD is going to be the one with the most say in who has a hot seat, but they’ll never come out and say someone’s seat is hot. I can’t think of any examples, anyway. Does Eberflus have a hot seat this year? I’d say not. But if he goes 5-12 could be gone the following Monday.
I don't disagree with this.
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You keep accidentally making your own arguments look silly. Whoops!
Maybe you're not really this dumb and just a troll though? Hard to tell because I'm so naive.
You are naive and definitely not as smart as you claim to be. That's been established today.
You still don't understand the point, so there is that.
Whether Hurley should have been fired or is Ollie remains completely irrelevant to what was originally being discussed and whether Hurley's seat was getting warm before the season.
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Well, there's a really famous example of what an AD COULD say when asked about a coach in our own athletic department's history.
I think there's a gap between "not saying yes he's on the hot seat" and laughing at the idea that you'd even be asked though.
The article pretty directly addresses the idea that Dan Hurley was "on the hot seat", does it not?
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You are naive and definitely not as smart as you claim to be. That's been established today.
You still don't understand the point, so there is that.
Whether Hurley should have been fired or is Ollie remains completely irrelevant to what was originally being discussed and whether Hurley's seat was getting warm before the season.
What'd the article say about whether Hurley was on the hot seat before the season?
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What'd the article say about whether Hurley was on the hot seat before the season?
Still don't get it. Tempo got it. You didn't. He is smarter than both of us, obviously.
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How come you constantly avoid direct questions?
The article, what'd it say about whether he was on the hot seat?
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Like, when your evidence that Dan Hurley's seat was getting warm is an article that says:
"Dan Hurley gets fired? Hurley is on the hot seat? No, of course not. Barring some completely unforeseen circumstances, neither scenario will be anywhere near in play. And likely not for several years to come, either."
did you make your point really well, you think?
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How come you constantly avoid direct questions?
The article, what'd it say about whether he was on the hot seat?
It is irrelevant because that was not the point. The point was whether the seat was getting hotter. As that was what I posted. It obviously was if the questions were being asked and responded to by the coach and the AD.
You do not seem to understand this. For whatever reason. Despite your alleged high IQ. Just goes to show that book smarts sometimes don't mean much.
Very Tempo-esque role playing by you today. Well done.
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And his seat was getting hot, wasn't it?
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/UConn-men-s-basketball-Dan-Hurley-NCAA-Tournament-17499577.php
You said 'his seat was getting hot, wasn't it?'
Your evidence was an article about how his seat wasn't getting hot. It says that scenario won't "be anywhere near in play".
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You said 'his seat was getting hot, wasn't it?'
Your evidence was an article about how his seat wasn't getting hot. It says that scenario won't "be anywhere near in play".
Except that the questions were being asked because enough fans were getting pissed that someone asked questions and the AD answered them. Sounds like things were getting hotter by Tempo and my, and any reasonable person's, definition and not your crazy one where the AD has to make a public proclamation.
What we learned today is that UCONN fans want NCAA Championships, and bitch when the coach is not progressing in The Tourney, and Illini fans are content with B1G Regular Season titles and don't care about losing to Loyola because the Tourney is a crapshoot (like basically every other playoffs than the NBA (historically)).
I salute you Huskie fans for putting the pressure on the coach to win the Tourney!
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Yes certainly, those UConn fans wanting to fire Hurley last year seem super reasonable right now, and Illinois definitely doesn't have people whining about the lack of tournament success.
The article about how his seat wasn't getting hot is evidence that his seat was getting hot.
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Yes certainly, those UConn fans wanting to fire Hurley last year seem super reasonable right now, and Illinois definitely doesn't have people whining about the lack of tournament success.
The article about how his seat wasn't getting hot is evidence that his seat was getting hot.
Still missing the point. But then again you are satisfied with Regular Season B1G Championships and not NCAA Championships like Huskie fans.
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Those great Huskies fans who made the same arguments you did and, had they gotten their way, would've directly cost UConn a national title.
We need more of those, for sure.
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Those great Huskies fans who made the same arguments you did and, had they gotten their way, would've directly cost UConn a national title.
We need more of those, for sure.
Well, someone has to demand accountability as opposed to you, QAnon97, Custard, etc. Hopefully we can pressure Underachiever into winning like those Huskie fans maybe did with Hurley in the preseason.
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We sure know the bootlickers in the ECI media won't be asking Guenther Jr. if Underachiever's seat is getting hot.
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Maybe Bob from IlliniBoard will ask Guenther Jr. if Underachiever is on the hot seat, Guenther Jr. will laugh it off, but then tell Underachiever to get his act in gear since he is being asked questions whether Underachiever is on the hot seat, and the Illini will win the NCAA Tourney title! That would, no will, be awesome.
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I already told you man, if you want proof I'm intelligent I can show you my IQ test - 14th percentile!
Not quite elite though, now is it…just bustin’ your balls man!
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Okay well, when people refer to 'the hot seat' regarding a coach it usually it refers to the likelihood of someone being fired, not whether "people are feeling itchy or uncertain" - so that was the definition I was using.
If you just meant "some fans are uncertain" then yeah, Underwood's got that. It's just not typically what someone means when discussing "the hot seat" for a coach.
To be fair, I think “on the hot seat” is a term thrown around pretty loosely these days. It’s not the 70s anymore. Few coaches are getting away with 3-4 mediocre to poor seasons in a row anymore. Some are even fired when they’ve been “decent.”
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Having looked at Hurley’s record at UConn, I’d say it was unlikely he was on the hot seat. Unless the ADs expectations were through the roof. He was coming off his best season. A 23 win season. Again, in this hot take society we now live in, “hot seat” is thrown around too often these days.
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If Hurley had squeaked into the tourney this year and lost 1st round, definite hot seat candidate.
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Having looked at Hurley’s record at UConn, I’d say it was unlikely he was on the hot seat. Unless the ADs expectations were through the roof. He was coming off his best season. A 23 win season. Again, in this hot take society we now live in, “hot seat” is thrown around too often these days.
Let's face it. They have won actual Championships. The fanbase may have higher standards than this Winning B1G Regular Season Championship crap. Based on the fact said article was even written, and the AD actually responded to the blogger or whatever he is, they probably do have higher standards than the ECI Squad we are used to dealing with.
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Fucking fuck.
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BU mention for WVU, obviously pure way too early speculation.
If it were to ever happen, I for one would be really okay with Pat Kelsey as our next everyday guy...
https://www.si.com/college/westvirginia/basketball/possible-candidates-for-wvus-head-coaching-search-next-spring
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BU mention for WVU, obviously pure way too early speculation.
If it were to ever happen, I for one would be really okay with Pat Kelsey as our next everyday guy...
https://www.si.com/college/westvirginia/basketball/possible-candidates-for-wvus-head-coaching-search-next-spring
If he wants to go let him go
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Bro on the left looks like Brad Underwood and Jon Hamm had a love child.
(https://i.ibb.co/6ZT0Kbg/IMG-2287.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6ZT0Kbg)
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Bro on the left looks like Brad Underwood and Jon Hamm had a love child.
(https://i.ibb.co/6ZT0Kbg/IMG-2287.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6ZT0Kbg)
😂
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I see it.
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Brad is a good coach who is getting negativity from the "What have you done for me lately crowd"
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I see it.
Finally we agree on something besides Bruce Weber
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Bro on the left looks like Brad Underwood and Jon Hamm had a love child.
(https://i.ibb.co/6ZT0Kbg/IMG-2287.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6ZT0Kbg)
Visions of BU and anyone having a love child is just not right...
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Finally we agree on something besides Bruce Weber
You don’t remember that time we agreed 5+5 equaled 10?
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You don’t remember that time we agreed 5+5 equaled 10?
Nope I can’t handle all those layers of nuance.
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My Prediction?
This is a make OR break year for Brad
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My Prediction?
This is a make OR break year for Brad
NO WAY, he isn't going anywhere until at least end of next year soonest. It is on record that Morez and family have good relationship. Morez will be a very high if not possibly the highest rated recruit that the ILLINI have had. BU gets to coach him at least 1 year, and also the program won't want to risk losing Morez.
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Morez Johnson has a lot of climbing to do to be Illinois’ highest rated recruit.
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Morez Johnson has a lot of climbing to do to be Illinois’ highest rated recruit.
24/7 - #46 This kid could end up being Top 15ish type of ranking imo. Either way, BU isn't going anywhere landing this big fish is the point, hyperbole or not, ranking or not, best/highest ever or not.
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24/7 - #46 This kid could end up being Top 15ish type of ranking imo. Either way, BU isn't going anywhere landing this big fish is the point, hyperbole or not, ranking or not, best/highest ever or not.
We miss the tourney Underwood is gone.
We make the tourney and lose first round he is probably gone.
We lose badly first round-he is definitely gone.
We win one, lose one he stays another year unless it is a blowout and there is insurrection by the players taking place.
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We miss the tourney Underwood is gone.
We make the tourney and lose first round he is probably gone.
We lose badly first round-he is definitely gone.
We win one, lose one he stays another year unless it is a blowout and there is insurrection by the players taking place.
I second this.
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24/7 - #46 This kid could end up being Top 15ish type of ranking imo. Either way, BU isn't going anywhere landing this big fish is the point, hyperbole or not, ranking or not, best/highest ever or not.
I believe Nick Anderson was a top 5 recruit. I think Derek Harper may have been as well.
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I believe Nick Anderson was a top 5 recruit. I think Derek Harper may have been as well.
Richmond and Liberty were much higher than Johnson as well.
Liberty was the #1 recruit in the nation I believe.
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Richmond and Liberty were much higher than Johnson as well.
Liberty was the #1 recruit in the nation I believe.
Yeah, I forgot about Liberty even.
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Lowell Hamilton was #1 his junior year of HS, not sure where he finished up.
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We miss the tourney Underwood is gone.
We make the tourney and lose first round he is probably gone.
We lose badly first round-he is definitely gone.
We win one, lose one he stays another year unless it is a blowout and there is insurrection by the players taking place.
Unless it’s just some insane disaster of a season or there’s a scandal, I highly doubt Underwood goes anywhere.
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Unless it’s just some insane disaster of a season or there’s a scandal, I highly doubt Underwood goes anywhere.
Well, this a a tourney team easily.
Would guess 5-8 seed.
Missing would meet the criteria of disaster.
If we stagger into tourney as a 10 seed and get bounced badly right away he is gone.
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Lowell Hamilton was #1 his junior year of HS, not sure where he finished up.
Yes # 1 in Illinois, that is correct. Johnson is the same #1 in the state. Johnson is the much better prospect imo. Hamilton lost to Scott Meents, Marty Simmons, and Mt Pulaski team with a 1000 pt scorer before beating Thad Matta to state. Source is Wikipedia.
Johnson is currently national 39.
Ayo was 30
Clark was 34
Miller was 35
No other big touches the ranking, Rivals started early mid 2000's 24/7 shows back to 1999, and ESPN shows to 2003. So in reality players like Hamilton who knows. McD players were the thin then, and he was chosen for that team. Johnson TBD?
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Richmond and Liberty were much higher than Johnson as well.
Liberty was the #1 recruit in the nation I believe.
Yes he was by SI, Parade All American, rankings as we know them now, didn't exist. But #1 is #1 correct.
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Yes # 1 in Illinois, that is correct. Johnson is the same #1 in the state. Johnson is the much better prospect imo. Hamilton lost to Scott Meents, Marty Simmons, and Mt Pulaski team with a 1000 pt scorer before beating Thad Matta to state. Source is Wikipedia.
Johnson is currently national 39.
Ayo was 30
Clark was 34
Miller was 35
No other big touches the ranking, Rivals started early mid 2000's 24/7 shows back to 1999, and ESPN shows to 2003. So in reality players like Hamilton who knows. McD players were the thin then, and he was chosen for that team. Johnson TBD?
Hamilton was #1 in the country. I don’t think he finished that high. Top 5-10ish I believe.
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Jereme Richmond is 31 and playing in Argentina for the record. Wow 31.
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Jereme Richmond is 31 and playing in Argentina for the record. Wow 31.
He can still ball. He always could and had so much talent but never matured quick enough. The team he had around him (outside of basketball) was bad news and helped ruin him. He had so much potential.
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He can still ball. He always could and had so much talent but never matured quick enough. The team he had around him (outside of basketball) was bad news and helped ruin him. He had so much potential.
Wasn't he "bad news" before he even got to Illinois? That's my recollection.
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Yeah, he just seemed to lack maturity. Things probably came to easy for him at an early age and he never developed the maturity it would take to struggle. You could see the raw potential though.
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Anyone else getting the feeling we’re going to be ungood?
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Anyone else getting the feeling we’re going to be ungood?
I won't make a pithy comment about waiting until January, but I'm thinking we saw this movie last year.
Don't worry, I won't bet the second half of the 2024 Illini tournament loss....
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I won't make a pithy comment about waiting until January, but I'm thinking we saw this movie last year.
Don't worry, I won't bet the second half of the 2024 Illini tournament loss....
You’re assuming we make it.
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We’re basically last years’ team with less talent aren’t we? Do we have any difference making newcomers? Serious question. Don’t keep the tabs I used to.
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We’re basically last years’ team with less talent aren’t we? Do we have any difference making newcomers? Serious question. Don’t keep the tabs I used to.
Not sure, all I know is that our 2 (3?) freshmen are a year older and our 2 biggest players are back (shannon and hawkins)
and the bad attitudes are hopefully gone (meyer, epps)
Gibbs is supposedly good but a freshman
will be an interesting year, I think our floor is like last year's squad. If we put it together and play as a team, and shoot normal percentages we could be pretty good.
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You’re assuming we make it.
That's why people here call me "Mr. Positive"...when they are not calling me dipshit, asshole, obtuse, PAThey, I could go on, but I think you get the point.
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That's why people here call me "Mr. Positive"...when they are not calling me dipshit, asshole, obtuse, PAThey, I could go on, but I think you get the point.
Maybe you are all of those things?
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I hope they are enjoying the trip to Europe. The games against high school squads must be taxing!
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Maybe you are all of those things?
I have never been accused of being "Sybil"....
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We’re basically last years’ team with less talent aren’t we? Do we have any difference making newcomers? Serious question. Don’t keep the tabs I used to.
How so? Our top players are back. We have two decent sophomores that played okay minutes last year that showed potential. Goode is healthy.
We weren't that good last year but still good enough to win a decent # of games, beat some ranked teams, make the tourney.
Not buying that we'll be worse. But it's not out of question.
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All I have to say is
Last year was a old beginning
This year is the new start of a new beginning
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We have one legit shooter, right?
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We have one legit shooter, right?
Yep, Goode (and I don’t think or consider him elite).
Other than him, we saw this dog and pony show last year.
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Yep, Goode (and I don’t think or consider him elite).
Other than him, we saw this dog and pony show last year.
Round pegs in square holes, dadgummit.
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We have one legit shooter, right?
What could go wrong?
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We have one legit shooter, right?
everybody can shoot, if they go in that's obviously another story
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IMO we will be better than last year.
A 5 to 8 seed range team.
Could win a game in NCAA or even get to S16 if playing well.
We will be better 3 point shooting team.
Domask and a full year of Goode will help.
Hopefully better shot selection.
More depth overall. More scoring options.
Big question mark is how the PG position works out but Rodgers/Harmon/DGL should be serviceable.
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I’d be pretty excited about this unit if they’d added a legit experienced PG. As it stands now, I am not feeling real great about it.
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I’d be pretty excited about this unit if they’d added a legit experienced PG. As it stands now, I am not feeling real great about it.
I think Harmon and/or DGL could hopefully step up if Rodgers struggles. We are ahead of last year at this position as well as having legit depth at the 2/3/4/5 and better shooting.
But you are right. If they had an experienced legit point guard we would be very good. Like top 12 -15 good.
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PG is not the biggest issue with this team.
The biggest issue is whether illinois has a roster of players that are hell bent on averaging 24 3pt attempts a game...for the 2nd season in a row.
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PG is not the biggest issue with this team.
The biggest issue is whether illinois has a roster of players that are hell bent on averaging 24 3pt attempts a game...for the 2nd season in a row.
I think they will still shoot a lot of threes. Its simply part of the game for everybody now.
We took higher than D1 average, but nothing crazy.
We made 7.6 per game and took 24.7 per game. 30.8% which was not good.
We make 8.6 per game (just one more make a game)we are shooting 34.8 and nobody is complaining.
Probably win 2 or 3 more games.
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Our shot selection last year was ass.
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Our shot selection last year was ass.
Absolutely.
The number of contested and step back threes were simply bad basketball.
We have had one pure shooter in recent years and that was Plummer.
Everybody else needs to take threes on open catch and shoot kick outs, offensive rebound open kick outs, open spot up delayed breaks, or someone goes under a screen on them.
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Shannon needs to just focus on getting Ayos mid range game. Hawkins needs to stop chucking 3s. Neither are any good at them.
I think the real wild card this year wlll be Domask. How he impacts this team i think will be what our ceiling will base itself on.
Guys i work with that are from SIU seem to think he was the most under rated dude in the portal and easily one of southerns better players to have ever played there.
All i have seen is highlights. Kid is smart but its Missouri valley ball. And not the old school kind either. So who knows. But he is high basketball IQ. So is Goode and so is Rogers.
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Agree he is the kind of player we have not had in recent years and could be a big surprise.
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Absolutely.
The number of contested and step back threes were simply bad basketball.
We have had one pure shooter in recent years and that was Plummer.
Everybody else needs to take threes on open catch and shoot kick outs, offensive rebound open kick outs, open spot up delayed breaks, or someone goes under a screen on them.
Too often there appears to be a green light to launch a 3 by anyone from anywhere on the floor at any time on the shot clock.
I've suggested an 'offensive coordinator' before. Can you send in your resume with a focus on shot selection instead of running that weave, or whatever they call it, outside the 3 pt line ?
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Too often there appears to be a green light to launch a 3 by anyone from anywhere on the floor at any time on the shot clock.
I've suggested an 'offensive coordinator' before. Can you send in your resume with a focus on shot selection instead of running that weave, or whatever they call it, outside the 3 pt line ?
I'll second that.
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Sometimes I wonder if it's less the shot selection and more that many of the players we see brick tons of threes just aren't really good or cut out for basketball. You either have it or you don't.
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Sometimes I wonder if it's less the shot selection and more that many of the players we see brick tons of threes just aren't really good or cut out for basketball. You either have it or you don't.
You'd think they would have noticed it when recruiting the players.
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How many times last season did I hear from the tv announcers after someone bricked a 3 ' you can get that shot at any time in the shot clock ' vs how many times did the coaching staff hear it ?
More than 3-5 to zero.
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How many times last season did I hear from the tv announcers after someone bricked a 3 ' you can get that shot at any time in the shot clock ' vs how many times did the coaching staff hear it ?
More than 3-5 to zero.
Remember the michigan game were Mayer just kept jacking up 3s at end of game
Went 0 for 3 from 3 last 1:15 end of game
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Sometimes I wonder if it's less the shot selection and more that many of the players we see brick tons of threes just aren't really good or cut out for basketball. You either have it or you don't.
This staff seems to get a lot of guys with a lack of ball skills and average shooters at best, but have some plus athlete or plus physical strength or size or length asset.
We hear a lot of statements about player X being "a jump shot away" from being a lottery pick.
I call bullshit.
Give me decent athletes with ball skills who can shoot all day.
Defense keeps you in games without question but you have to be able to score.
If you haven't watched the Curry documentary it is a good movie.
Pure shooter through years of hard work and became stronger and is decent athlete. Incredible work ethic.
Ayo will be a career bench guy unless he learns how to shoot.
Kofi will never sniff the league. Can't shoot.
The guy I like on this roster is DGL. He is a bucket. Will be interesting to see how he develops.
Will take guys like him over a Harris, Rodgers, Epps, Clark everytime.
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This staff seems to get a lot of guys with a lack of ball skills and average shooters at best, but have some plus athlete or plus physical strength or size or length asset.
We hear a lot of statements about player X being "a jump shot away" from being a lottery pick.
I call bullshit.
Give me decent athletes with ball skills who can shoot all day.
Defense keeps you in games without question but you have to be able to score.
If you haven't watched the Curry documentary it is a good movie.
Pure shooter through years of hard work and became stronger and is decent athlete. Incredible work ethic.
Ayo will be a career bench guy unless he learns how to shoot.
Kofi will never sniff the league. Can't shoot.
The guy I like on this roster is DGL. He is a bucket. Will be interesting to see how he develops.
Will take guys like him over a Harris, Rodgers, Epps, Clark everytime.
+1
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Epps was a pretty highly regarded scorer, but something changed about halfway through his freshman year, the rest of the guys... yeah...
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Epps was a pretty highly regarded scorer, but something changed about halfway through his freshman year, the rest of the guys... yeah...
Wait till Epps becomes a stud at Georgetown....
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Wait till Epps becomes a stud at Georgetown....
Wait till Epps fucks your mom.
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Niccolo Moretti probably has the best combination of shooting and play making skills. Has a nice stroke. Will make throws. Sees the floor.
Brad says he is an elite passer and elite at the pnr. Is working on defense. Indy says he's not B1G material.
DGL is just a stud athlete with bb skills.
Brad wants to get into get into transition offense by extending the defense and forcing turnovers. Rodgers, Harris, Harmon can put a lot of pressure on the ball.
Shannon can get out in transition. Goode and Domask can spot up. Hawkins or Guerrier can trail.
A lot of experience and depth inside with Guerrier, Hawkins, Dainja, and Hansberry. Amani is going to be good.
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Brad wants to get into get into transition offense by extending the defense and forcing turnovers. Rodgers, Harris, Harmon can put a lot of pressure on the ball.
Haven't we seen this movie before?
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Wait till Epps becomes a stud at Georgetown....
Epps has a scorer mindset Needs a lot of shots. Not a great shooter, has subpar mechanics, but had unique ability to get a shot off in the lane.
Will be productive is my guess.
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Niccolo Moretti probably has the best combination of shooting and play making skills. Has a nice stroke. Will make throws. Sees the floor.
Brad says he is an elite passer and elite at the pnr. Is working on defense. Indy says he's not B1G material.
DGL is just a stud athlete with bb skills.
Brad wants to get into get into transition offense by extending the defense and forcing turnovers. Rodgers, Harris, Harmon can put a lot of pressure on the ball.
Shannon can get out in transition. Goode and Domask can spot up. Hawkins or Guerrier can trail.
A lot of experience and depth inside with Guerrier, Hawkins, Dainja, and Hansberry. Amani is going to be good.
If Moretti is such an elite passer and elite at pnr and can shoot then he should be playing a lot of minutes as primary backup even if he is average at D. I don't think that will be the case.
It sounds like DGL and Harmon are primary PG backups to the Rodgers experiment.
Have no idea what they are going to do with Harris.
He can't play point and Harmon is much better option at 2 as a backup.
Also can't play Harris and Rodgers at same time as neither can shoot.
I think staff have their work cut out for them. A lot of guys with some strengths and also gaps in their games.
I don't see them extending the D much. Not athletic enough really overall and no rim protection.
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Loyalty insiders may be right. Moretti's defense may be so bad, he'll never play. Same ones who said Podz couldn't defend his own shadow.
I could see him and Harris as a late game offense / defense tag team.
If a two deep front line with 7-6, 7-1, 6-10, and 7-2 wingspans does not provide any rim protection; Brad should be yelling.
They've got a pretty good blend of athletes and skill guys. If I am deciding, I use pack line as the basic defense. Then ramp up pressure occasionally.
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Loyalty insiders may be right. Moretti's defense may be so bad, he'll never play. Same ones who said Podz couldn't defend his own shadow.
I could see him and Harris as a late game offense / defense tag team.
If a two deep front line with 7-6, 7-1, 6-10, and 7-2 wingspans does not provide any rim protection; Brad should be yelling.
They've got a pretty good blend of athletes and skill guys. If I am deciding, I use pack line as the basic defense. Then ramp up pressure occasionally.
Agree on the standard pack line. Please improve the drop coverage which has been terrible for years.
Extend D in halfcourt on top when certain guys who can guard on ball and trap and recover are out there (Harris,maybe Harmon, or Rodgers, or DGL, and TSJ).
They do have a lot of decent pieces, but putting them together in the right combinations and matchups will be a real challenge.
UW and any of his staffs have not been great at X and O's.
This team could be Top 20 or end up Top 35 again.
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I think staff have their work cut out for them. A lot of guys with some strengths and also gaps in their games.
Very reasonable concern that we have a bunch of parts that don't go together. We appear to have 2 on-paper 1s, neither of whom can play the 1 at both ends, which translates to a lot of time with guys out of their natural positions particularly with foul trouble.
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Very reasonable concern that we have a bunch of parts that don't go together. We appear to have 2 on-paper 1s, neither of whom can play the 1 at both ends, which translates to a lot of time with guys out of their natural positions particularly with foul trouble.
Yeah, PG is going to be a work in progress.
Nobody knows WTF to expect and is full of shit if they think they do.
Anxious to see how we look vs Kansas in that exhibition scrimmage.
This team has a higher ceiling than last year but that will take a very good coaching and culture job by the staff to get and keep everyone on same page.
High risk for a few guys to be butthurt over minutes and a long period of figuring out what rotations actually work.
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Heard a college basketball “expert” (can’t recall who) say that Underwood might try to parachute to another job if he has a poor showing in the tourney. Of course, this was before they won the tournament before the only tournament that matters. Curious as to the general thought here. I have not real take.
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Heard a college basketball “expert” (can’t recall who) say that Underwood might try to parachute to another job if he has a poor showing in the tourney. Of course, this was before they won the tournament before the only tournament that matters. Curious as to the general thought here. I have not real take.
We got a 3 seed and won the BTT. This sort of season puts us in the window where we get occasional 1 seeds and if the dice roll right we can make the final four. I'll take it. We aren't quite rolling at a Kansas/UNC/Kentucky level, but if you take a look at a lot of other name programs, Indiana, Michigan, UCLA...
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Yeah, Underwood isn’t going anywhere regardless of if it’s a decision on himself or the university. He’s done fantastic here and for fans to think otherwise is delusional.
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Underwood I believe, truly thinks ILLINOIS is his destination.
I do not think he will ever move unless forced out. I also think he has revitalized a program that many if not ALL of us were lamenting as a dumpster fire a mere few years ago. I also think Whitman loves the guy.
All things considered (especially with the coaching carousel) this year, we have got to keep this guy and the entire staff for that matter.
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Heard a college basketball “expert” (can’t recall who) say that Underwood might try to parachute to another job if he has a poor showing in the tourney. Of course, this was before they won the tournament before the only tournament that matters. Curious as to the general thought here. I have not real take.
he's not going anywhere
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Cannot argue that we have had a level of consistent success.
He needs to take a team to the next level which is getting to the second weekend.
This is a good opportunity this year and we are playing well in last few games.
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Cannot argue that we have had a level of consistent success.
He needs to take a team to the next level which is getting to the second weekend.
This is a good opportunity this year and we are playing well in last few games.
We have to do it now. We can not get outcoached and outplayed by an inferior team. Our guys have to want this. I really hope they do.
Brad has to earn his money here. Getting a 3 seed is great, but he has to do something in this tournament. Period.
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Pretty nice sitting where we are now. I can barely watch this due to Whitman’s Whistle 😂
https://x.com/alioneye/status/1769799844174946388?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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We have to do it now. We can not get outcoached and outplayed by an inferior team. Our guys have to want this. I really hope they do.
Brad has to earn his money here. Getting a 3 seed is great, but he has to do something in this tournament. Period.
We earned a very good seed, but we have a tough road to go deep.
BYU (#16 KenP0m) can be difficult if they are hitting. They shoot threes literally over half the time. Take 32 a game and have 7 guys scoring 9 ppg or more. Crazy shit.
I think we will only be favored by a couple in that one. The tempo is good for us though.
Iowa State is just a very very good team. More than a few people had them getting the last 1 seed.
We will be dogs in that one.
That said- Shannon is having an AA season and can now carry a team in crunch time if we just get him the ball in positions to make plays.
They seem to be simplifying things and just having our two best guys try and make plays down the stretch.
Our defense has picked up and Dainja is becoming a really nice contributor.
We have a chance to get to EE and then just let it rip and see what happens.
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I doubt Iowa State is happy with their draw either. Red hot WSU or Drake. Compared to BYU or Red hot Duquense. And everybody from BYU is bitching about having Illinois in the 2nd rd and being dropped nearly 2 seed lines.
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We’ve shown we can compete with about anyone. Or lose to teams we shouldn’t but that’s everyone. Get past the first two and the rest is gravy.
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Sweet 16 and everyone will be Stroking the Wood and telling him how great he is and how much we all want more WOOD!!!
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Sweet 16 and everyone will be Stroking the Wood and telling him how great he is and how much we all want more WOOD!!!
Nope. Sweet sixteen should be the baseline for this team, and this draw.
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We’ve shown we can compete with about anyone. Or lose to teams we shouldn’t but that’s everyone. Get past the first two and the rest is gravy.
Just win, baby.
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Nope. Sweet sixteen should be the baseline for this team, and this draw.
This. We are 12 on the S curve. We do not make S16 it is not shooting par.
We win one more then we have a serious fckign season and all credit to the team and staff for getting to another level in March.
We just won three games in a row in BTT against teams arguably playing like Top 20-30 teams.
We can do this.
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It’d be nice if Illinois could actually play to or above their seed for once in their history!
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We are riding high this week after getting a 3 seed and winning the BTT. I’d be curious as to the pulse if we lose the first weekend.
I think if we had lost Saturday the answers might have been slightly different. I also heard this reporter say this probably Thursdayish.
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It’d be nice if Illinois could actually play to or above their seed for once in their history!
It’s been done a few times. But that’s it.
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I still fully expect us to lose the first weekend. Because Brad has done nothing else.
We shouldn't lose this weekend. But I expect it.
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Dude deserves a lot of credit for putting together this roster that most thought was a fringe top 25 team and was picked 4-5th in conference, installing a new offense that rivals some of our best teams ever, turning a guy no one had heard of into a first team all B1G player, and having this kind of season.
Especially with having a giant national news federal court derailment right when we were playing our best, losing one of the best players in the country for what really amounted to about 10+ games due to the rust when he came back.
Then being able to mesh it all back together to challenge the runaway favorite Purdue, finish second by a few games, win the BTT, and secure a 3 seed with a clear path to the second weekend.
Hell of a job. Now let’s make a run.
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Agreed.
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Dude deserves a lot of credit for putting together this roster that most thought was a fringe top 25 team and was picked 4-5th in conference, installing a new offense that rivals some of our best teams ever, turning a guy no one had heard of into a first team all B1G player, and having this kind of season.
Especially with having a giant national news federal court derailment right when we were playing our best, losing one of the best players in the country for what really amounted to about 10+ games due to the rust when he came back.
Then being able to mesh it all back together to challenge the runaway favorite Purdue, finish second by a few games, win the BTT, and secure a 3 seed with a clear path to the second weekend.
Hell of a job. Now let’s make a run.
Yep. He's done a great job this season. Now he needs to take it and make a tournament run.
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The BTT showed a team that had both the conditioning and the focus to turn a game around and finish it. It's a good combination for a team to have, and something we haven't seen much of until the 3 BTT games.
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Yep. He's done a great job this season. Now he needs to take it and make a tournament run.
Agreed.
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The BTT showed a team that had both the conditioning and the focus to turn a game around and finish it. It's a good combination for a team to have, and something we haven't seen much of until the 3 BTT games.
Agreed. But the tournament that matters is funny. All that winning at the end, and the conditioning, and everything else can be wiped out in one 2 hour span if funny shit happens. Peter Cockington from MidU can catch fire and knock down 4 3's in a matter of seconds, and all of a sudden shit unravels.
Coaching matters in this thing.
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Great teams don't lose the first weekend. And we're a great team. Let's go.
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Great teams don't lose the first weekend. And we're a great team. Let's go.
I hope you're right...
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Agreed. But the tournament that matters is funny. All that winning at the end, and the conditioning, and everything else can be wiped out in one 2 hour span if funny shit happens. Peter Cockington from MidU can catch fire and knock down 4 3's in a matter of seconds, and all of a sudden shit unravels.
Coaching matters in this thing.
Agreed. It's a 40 minute ball game and always has been.
The conditioning and the focus to finish a game is great to have. Good teams have it.
We have shown it.
Stay focused for 40 and have the conditioning to finish.
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Great teams and coaches lose the first weekend every damn year. It’s what makes it the most unique and exciting sports phenomena there is. The whole key is getting there with decent seed most years and then catching a good draw and you’ll break through.
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Great teams and coaches lose the first weekend every damn year. It’s what makes it the most unique and exciting sports phenomena there is. The whole key is getting there with decent seed most years and then catching a good draw and you’ll break through.
Pretty much. We've been on the wrong side of catching a good draw a lot of years, or having a crappy game.
Only the Flyin Illini were able to beat the crappy draw, then had an average game and lost by 2 to another monster team
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Apparently UW got $100k bonus and an extension through 29/30 season for winning the BTT.
5.3 MM$.
He really should get to second weekend.
Will be his 8th shot at it.
https://www.on3.com/college/illinois-fighting-illini/news/brad-underwood-unlocks-contract-extension-bonuses-with-big-ten-tournament-title-win/ (https://www.on3.com/college/illinois-fighting-illini/news/brad-underwood-unlocks-contract-extension-bonuses-with-big-ten-tournament-title-win/)
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Underwood cleaned up in
free agency the portal and eventually figured out how to integrate those pieces into his system. He had to weather the storm bought about by the his star player being arrested and charged with rape, then had to effectively reset once he was reinstated.
The tourney struggles are well documented, and that's a knock against him for sure, but he does have the program in a place where the conversations throughout the season are about tournament seeding rather than if we even have a good enough record to qualify for one of those joke consolation tournaments.
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Apparently UW got $100k bonus and an extension through 29/30 season for winning the BTT.
5.3 MM$.
He really should get to second weekend.
Will be his 8th shot at it.
https://www.on3.com/college/illinois-fighting-illini/news/brad-underwood-unlocks-contract-extension-bonuses-with-big-ten-tournament-title-win/ (https://www.on3.com/college/illinois-fighting-illini/news/brad-underwood-unlocks-contract-extension-bonuses-with-big-ten-tournament-title-win/)
I hope he does get us there, but either way we are still further along since 2006 forward.
Glad he got the extension as well. I think this staff deserves a ton of credit as well. Please keep Frazier, most importantly in imo.
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Pretty much. We've been on the wrong side of catching a good draw a lot of years, or having a crappy game.
Only the Flyin Illini were able to beat the crappy draw, then had an average game and lost by 2 to another monster team
Let the record show that Murph and I agree on something
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https://www.natesilver.net/p/2024-march-madness-predictions?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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https://www.natesilver.net/p/2024-march-madness-predictions?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
We're better than Iowa State but then I'll likely pick Illinois in the finals in all my brackets.
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‘Member when people here wanted Tony Bennett?! 😂 I do!
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‘Member when people here wanted Tony Bennett?! 😂 I do!
We can laugh at him tonight but he does have a natty. Our guy is still trying to reach the 2nd weekend.
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We can laugh at him tonight but he does have a natty. Our guy is still trying to reach the 2nd weekend.
Good point, but man that style is God awful!
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Good point, but man that style is God awful!
Agreed
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Second top ten finish in 4 years and 4th top 25 finish in last 5 years. Elite 8 appearance to get the second weekend monkey off his back. Thanks Brad, it’s fun to be back.
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Second top ten finish in 4 years and 4th top 25 finish in last 5 years. Elite 8 appearance to get the second weekend monkey off his back. Thanks Brad, it’s fun to be back.
Some will find a way to down play this and still complain…
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We became a team that was enjoyable to watch. Last year the announcers were complaining about our shot selection or whatever.
This year they too enjoyed watching us, up until the ......
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Some will find a way to down play this and still complain…
Don't want to disappoint, so here goes... I can think of 30 things to complain about.
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Don't want to disappoint, so here goes... I can think of 30 things to complain about.
😂🤣 it’s weird because I never once mentioned your name, but somehow here you are. In the famous words of Christina Aguilera, “it’s a genie in a bottle, you gotta rub it the right way.”
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😂🤣 it’s weird because I never once mentioned your name, but somehow here you are. In the famous words of Christina Aguilera, “it’s a genie in a bottle, you gotta rub it the right way.”
Sorry, either I forgot that I only troll Tempo, per Spark, or I'm paranoid.
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Don't want to disappoint, so here goes... I can think of 30 things to complain about.
You don't see any point in that tho, amiright ?
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You don't see any point in that tho, amiright ?
Not until I am reminded of it again by a graphic on my TV during a game.
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Not until I am reminded of it again by a graphic on my TV during a game.
It's baseball and participant sports season. College hoops is over
Bring it up next year, and the year after, and ......
On 2nd thought, don't.
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Some will find a way to down play this and still complain…
Only thing anyone should really complain about is that we didn't win it all. That said we had a much more enjoyable season this year and in recent years past, than at anytime since about 2007 or so.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/brad-underwood-and-illinois-are-all-in-on-a-new-era/ar-AA1nirwg?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=76894041d2aa4b5e80c4cc09cdeef10f&ei=40
In between the lines guys: Orlando should be our next Asst-Lead recruiter, and Boogie Nights should show up next year for our ILLINI!! We will see!
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Man if these recent articles don't get you excited for ILLINI basketball moving forward, well, not sure what to tell you. Having a Coach who seems to not only talk the talk, but wants to walk the walk....almost sounds like NEEDS to do this is so refreshing for our team/fanbase of why can't we have good things, kind of history.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/article/brad-underwood-illinois-fighting-illini-basketball-offseason-national-championship-orlando-antigua-transfer-portal-230889702/
https://www.si.com/college/illinois/brad-underwood-yearly-national-title-contenders
https://www.news-gazette.com/newsletter/content/sports/illini_basketball/antigua-back-in-c-u-to-help-illini-chase-national-title/article_cd10fa8a-6115-52d8-99ba-f194c495f422.html
All of this and the recruits, the pick em's, the be another EVDG who steps in and up....man Underwood has got us going. Excited even if we do have a new team every year.
Can't wait to see Morez, Rodgers progress next year, along with Boswell and DGL and whomever on the wings....man we will be up and down again, just hope the defense comes along for a ride now.
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Antigua is a definite shot in the arm to a program that already had reason for optimism.
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Next step, national championship. In next two years.
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Rampant rumors of tampering with AJ Storr going around, Sleepers even discussed it in their podcast.
https://youtu.be/WgmFcsO28so
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Yeah I saw that. I don’t think it’s anything to worry about and just speculation. We’ll see if there are any credible sources and factual evidence.
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It'd be awesome if we got dinged for 'tampering' with a guy we didn't even get.
I don't think it's anything to worry about though.
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I’m not really concerned either. But it was weird those guys on loyalty were talking a month or more ago about a clandestine meeting in a hotel room in Minneapolis. Public knowledge I guess.
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A meeting between some NIL folks from Illinois and people who know Storr isn't even a violation as far as I know.
Unless someone from our program and Storr were in the room, I can't see how it could be a thing.
Obviously by the spirit of the law everyone's tampering. People regularly know players will hit the portal, and who they will have interest in, before the season's over.
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A meeting between some NIL folks from Illinois and people who know Storr isn't even a violation as far as I know.
Unless someone from our program and Storr were in the room, I can't see how it could be a thing.
Obviously by the spirit of the law everyone's tampering. People regularly know players will hit the portal, and who they will have interest in, before the season's over.
I think it is laughable that "tampering" is even brought up in todays NIL world...my god, it has become professional already, everyone needs to act like it.
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Meeting Dee Brown today…
(https://i.ibb.co/XkrPszz/IMG-3579.png) (https://ibb.co/84Lw5jj)
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Meeting Dee Brown today…
(https://i.ibb.co/XkrPszz/IMG-3579.png) (https://ibb.co/84Lw5jj)
Show Dee my picture and ask him if he remembers me.
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Show Dee my picture and ask him if he remembers me.
“It’s not about you!”
-Jobu
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Show Dee my picture and ask him if he remembers me.
LOL
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Meeting Dee Brown today…
(https://i.ibb.co/XkrPszz/IMG-3579.png) (https://ibb.co/84Lw5jj)
Don't bring your girlfriend.
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Don't bring your girlfriend.
😂
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Don't bring your girlfriend.
🤣
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Show Dee my picture and ask him if he remembers me.
“Is that the guy Adam Hoge was making fun of?”
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Show Dee my picture and ask him if he remembers me.
Is he why you and your baby momma split up?!
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Gotta say I love the staff and the versatility of them growing each season or two.
Underwood, and the staff first made a mission to attempt to get in state and high caliber plus players and add pieces to play along them.
Underwood and the staff, (Frazier) THEN pivoted to the portal in a B1G way and landed some big fish and got us an Elite Eight.
Underwood and the staff with OA on board are now targeting Euro (Alexander) and HS studs (Anderson) again with the portal/Covid year either getting less moving forward or losing the extra year players all together (older experienced) ones.
The staff seems to be ahead of the curve in how they are viewing keeping this program relevant and getting better every year or two...love what Whitman/Underwood and others have done.
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He’s done a great job here. I’m pretty iffy on this group he’s assembled coming off a round of 8 appearance, but they could be really good in 2 years if the best ones stick around.
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Credit to Underwood for adapting to the way the college game is coached and taking his game, and the Illini program to the next level. He’s gone from a top 25 coach to probably a top 7 or 8 coach in the country IMO.
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He’s done a great job here. I’m pretty iffy on this group he’s assembled coming off a round of 8 appearance, but they could be really good in 2 years if the best ones stick around.
Maybe sooner!
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Credit to Underwood for adapting to the way the college game is coached and taking his game, and the Illini program to the next level. He’s gone from a top 25 coach to probably a top 7 or 8 coach in the country IMO.
Overall ranking all things considered:
Hurley #1 i hate to admit it but with back to back, hard to argue with the tool being here.
Self # 2
Few # 3
Izzo # 4
Drew #5
Sampson #6
Underwood # 7 - Omitted completely from Top 25 CBS article linked.
Bennett #8
Admittedly I left off these guys:
Painter, lets see the level of success without Edey long term, otherwise the argument is there to be made.
Oats, No way not yet, off court just adds to it.
Cal - So underperforming as of late, reputation doesn't equate to wins all the time
Pitino - Scandal, walk aways, and now at St. Johns a "safety" net kind of gig.
Cronin is no where near the Top 10 or so imo.
Mussleman seems to recruit and then underwhelm.,
Pearl - Dion Thomas nuf said.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-coaching-rankings-the-top-25-and-1-coaches-as-the-2023-24-season-gets-underway/
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Would obviously put a younger Cal and Pitino above him for sure, but in current stage, would take Underwood.
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Ok, show of hands…who said “fire him?”
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Ok, show of hands…who said “fire him?”
no
I was AOTC on Underwood, I was sad when OSU hired him and wished that we had hired him instead but we kept Groce an extra year for who the fuck knows what reason. Thankfully $hitman stepped up and paid the man
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Missing from the list: Reggie Theus and Craig Robinson.
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Credit to Underwood for adapting to the way the college game is coached and taking his game, and the Illini program to the next level. He’s gone from a top 25 coach to probably a top 7 or 8 coach in the country IMO.
You sure you don't need 3-4 more years to make any judgments?
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Missing from the list: Reggie Theus and Craig Robinson.
And multiple strawmen.
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You sure you don't need 3-4 more years to make any judgments?
Your meme game is fading. It’s 3-5.
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Pretty sure PAMan was on the Fire Underachiever train. He might have been driving it.
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Pretty sure PAMan was on the Fire Underachiever train. He might have been driving it.
Still am. Unless he wins a championship. Soon.
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Let's see how Underwood gets the team to respond after that dismal (to say the least) effort against a clearly subpar team.
Claude for 30+ against us at home is inexcusable, USC beating us at home is a joke.
Me thinks maybe BU and the team got a little complacent with their new found 30+ beat downs of teams. Thinking the team could flip the switch at any time, well now hopefully they know that the light must always be on.