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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: ILLINICHIEF on March 28, 2023, 02:18:19 PM
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AS OF END OF MARCH-THE BIGGEST NEEDS FOR US ARE PG/C-PF/CG FOR NEXT YEARS TEAM.
ASSUMING THE B1G THREE ARE ALL GONE, WHO DO/CAN WE GET?
Jackson Paveletzke
Kerr Kriisa
Elijah Fisher
Aidan Igiehon
Payton Sparks
Sincere Malone
Kamari Lands
Isaiah Barnes
Jaelyn Withers
Max Agbonkpolo
Roosevelt Wheeler
We have had ties with most above, or we have a definate need and they have experience and year(s) left to help us.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/2023/
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Why are you yelling?
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AJ Storr in the portal. There’s a familiar name. Shot 40% from three. Would gladly take him.
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AJ Storr in the portal. There’s a familiar name. Shot 40% from three. Would gladly take him.
yeah if there's anything we need its 3 point shooters lol
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How bout some 3 pt makers?
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I’d settle for some basketball IQ and a smidge of athleticism.
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Doubt we'll be involved for Storr, but I bet he gets a lot of interest from real programs.
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Why are you yelling?
Had to wake this board up somehow... ;D
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Doubt we'll be involved for Storr, but I bet he gets a lot of interest from real programs.
Are you saying that's not us? :(
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Are you saying that's not us? :(
Nah, we're a real program again finally.
Still have some work to do to get to where we want though, obviously.
I just don't think we'll be in on Storr. Could be wrong.
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Nah, we're a real program again finally.
You supported John Groce in year 5. Shut the fuck up.
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How many losses did you say we'd have this year Dom?
What about last year?
The year before?
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How many losses did you say we'd have this year Dom?
What about last year?
The year before?
I said we’d suck. We sucked.
You were happy John Groce came back for year 5, in a year we also sucked and Groce got fired.
You love mediocrity. I don’t. Mediocrity is for losers.
Right now, you are cheering for Ron Turner post Kurt Kittner. That is what Underwood is post Kofi. Your justification for supporting Ron Turner (Underwood) is that it’s better than Tepper (Groce)
Well much like Ron Turner should have been fired after Kittner left, Underwood should be gone after Kofi.
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Loyalty insiders have Illinois landing 20 transfers.
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Loyalty insiders have Illinois landing 20 transfers.
That’s it?
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Loyalty insiders have Illinois landing 20 transfers.
All coached by Sean Miller.
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Loyalty insiders have Illinois landing 20 transfers.
Thank you for reading Loyalty so we do not have to.
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Charles Pride of Bryant is in the portal.
https://247sports.com/Player/Charles-Pride-45573220/
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I said we’d suck. We sucked.
You were happy John Groce came back for year 5, in a year we also sucked and Groce got fired.
You love mediocrity. I don’t. Mediocrity is for losers.
Right now, you are cheering for Ron Turner post Kurt Kittner. That is what Underwood is post Kofi. Your justification for supporting Ron Turner (Underwood) is that it’s better than Tepper (Groce)
Well much like Ron Turner should have been fired after Kittner left, Underwood should be gone after Kofi.
Remind me what you said our record would be then? Assume it was pretty close to our record, and you predicted a tourney lock by selection day?
I’m sure you did and it’s in one of these threads somewhere, you’re usually right about these things.
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Charles Pride of Bryant is in the portal.
https://247sports.com/Player/Charles-Pride-45573220/
We could use some pride.
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Charles Pride of Bryant is in the portal.
https://247sports.com/Player/Charles-Pride-45573220/
Bet he can really sing some country music.
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How bout some 3 pt makers?
Bingo.
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P Sparks to Indiana...was an ILLINI interest.
Minny has gotten two committed already, and Mizzou got Tonje, who the ILLINI were looking at as well.
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How many scholarships are spoken for next year right now? Harris, Morretti, Gibbs-Lawhorn, Goode, Rodgers, Hansberry, Dainja, Lieb, with RJM, TSJ, and Hawkins still pending?
So somewhere between 2-5 left, 6 if Lieb bails? My order of need is PG, 4/5, and scoring wing, so obviously go hard after Kriisa, Paveletzke, Cormac Ryan, Chance McMillian, somebody who can actually handle the ball on the perimeter first, and then guys like Ware, Withers, or this Rienk Mast kid from Bradley half the B1G is pursuing.
On the assumption that not everyone is back, I'd probably be aggressively pursuing Bamba, Dalton Knecht, Jace Carter, and Marcus Domask, and then guys like Fisher as plan Bs. I get the impression Jamison Battle is already out.
If we wind up with a bunch of guys like Isaiah Barnes or the other Louisville or Kansas cast-offs, we will royally suck.
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Thank you for reading Loyalty so we do not have to.
Will post some Denzel, Rock and Walken gifs on my next update.
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Lieb is in the portal.
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Lieb is in the portal.
Good. That’s a wasted scholarship with him taking it.
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Lieb is in the portal.
I'm okay with this kid Liebing. ;D, The ILLINI was always the girl that was out of his league...he seems like a good mid-major type. Evansville/Indiana St. type actually.
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How many scholarships are spoken for next year right now? Harris, Morretti, Gibbs-Lawhorn, Goode, Rodgers, Hansberry, Dainja, Lieb, with RJM, TSJ, and Hawkins still pending?
So somewhere between 2-5 left, 6 if Lieb bails? My order of need is PG, 4/5, and scoring wing, so obviously go hard after Kriisa, Paveletzke, Cormac Ryan, Chance McMillian, somebody who can actually handle the ball on the perimeter first, and then guys like Ware, Withers, or this Rienk Mast kid from Bradley half the B1G is pursuing.
On the assumption that not everyone is back, I'd probably be aggressively pursuing Bamba, Dalton Knecht, Jace Carter, and Marcus Domask, and then guys like Fisher as plan Bs. I get the impression Jamison Battle is already out.
If we wind up with a bunch of guys like Isaiah Barnes or the other Louisville or Kansas cast-offs, we will royally suck.
Get a solid pg and 4/5 transfer and this is a 9-10 seed tourney team assuming Goode, Rodgers, Harris, Dainja and Hansberry are on the roster.
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Get a solid pg and 4/5 transfer and this is a 9-10 seed tourney team assuming Goode, Rodgers, Harris, Dainja and Hansberry are on the roster.
Depends on what X-fers we get.
The PG is the biggest thing unless we are going forward by committee, then who knows. Backup C and PG are the biggest needs, maybe 2 of each. All other spots can and have been manned.
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Curbelo in the portal, lol
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Curbelo back in the portal.
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Oh jeez. Reunited?! 😂
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Oh jeez. Reunited?! 😂
That would be amaze.
I’m assuming he needs a waiver to avoid sitting out? Which he can get due to coaching change, probably.
Wonder how that went. Did Rick politely tell him to GTFO, or did he leave willingly?
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Pitino made it pretty clear he was going to clean house when he got the job.
"The one thing I want to be honest with is a lot of the players probably won’t be back on this team because they’re probably not a good fit for me," Pitino said, via SNY.
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Pitino made it pretty clear he was going to clean house when he got the job.
"The one thing I want to be honest with is a lot of the players probably won’t be back on this team because they’re probably not a good fit for me," Pitino said, via SNY.
Gotcha. Makes sense. Thanks.
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Oh jeez. Reunited?! 😂
Looks like his road to the NBA is getting even more winding.....You may have been PWAOTC (Prematurely Way Ahead Of The Curve) on that call.
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The thing about Tempo in your sig is one of the single saddest and stupidest things I've ever read.
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The thing about Tempo in your sig is one of the single saddest and stupidest things I've ever read.
Good to hear!
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Looks like his road to the NBA is getting even more winding.....You may have been PWAOTC (Prematurely Way Ahead Of The Curve) on that call.
Hey man, those concussions fucked him up! He has all the talent in the world but can’t seem to put it together and after those concussions it appears he’s literally a head case.
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Hey man, those concussions fucked him up! He has all the talent in the world but can’t seem to put it together and after those concussions it appears he’s literally a head case.
It happens, Judge Judy.
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Hey man, those concussions fucked him up! He has all the talent in the world but can’t seem to put it together and after those concussions it appears he’s literally a head case.
Is this sarcasm?
Clearly the concussion put him on a different path. He hasn't looked like the same guy he was as a freshman here since, do you think that's just a coincidence?
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Is this sarcasm?
Clearly the concussion put him on a different path. He hasn't looked like the same guy he was as a freshman here since, do you think that's just a coincidence?
That’s my whole point. Not sure what you’re disagreeing with. My apologies, it was not sarcasm.
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That’s my whole point. Not sure what you’re disagreeing with. My apologies, it was not sarcasm.
Spark white knighting for Tempo may have thrown Spark off?
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Yeah, Curbelo was completely different after those concussions. He ended up taking a very noticeable turn downhill afterwards.
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Get a solid pg and 4/5 transfer and this is a 9-10 seed tourney team assuming Goode, Rodgers, Harris, Dainja and Hansberry are on the roster.
So take off Melendez, Hawkins, Epps, Shannon, Mayer (basically the starting 5), and replace them with a PG and a FW and it’s still the same level of team?
You’re crazy.
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So take off Melendez, Hawkins, Epps, Shannon, Mayer (basically the starting 5), and replace them with a PG and a FW and it’s still the same level of team?
You’re crazy.
Well, you did say that this year's team sucked....
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That’s my whole point. Not sure what you’re disagreeing with. My apologies, it was not sarcasm.
No worries, thought it was.
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So take off Melendez, Hawkins, Epps, Shannon, Mayer (basically the starting 5), and replace them with a PG and a FW and it’s still the same level of team?
You’re crazy.
It's impressive how confident you still are despite your track record.
Three of those guys have a reasonable chance at coming back, too, because of course you'd just be wrong about that. Being wrong is What You Do.
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No worries, thought it was.
ThePAMan and Tempo need to take notes on our handling of this misunderstanding… 😁
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So take off Melendez, Hawkins, Epps, Shannon, Mayer (basically the starting 5), and replace them with a PG and a FW and it’s still the same level of team?
You’re crazy.
Return a core of Goode, Rodgers, Harris, and Dainja.
Add a quality stretch four, a quality lead guard, and Hansberry and I assume Lawhorn?
There is also Moretti.
That is a start on a rotation.
That also leaves plenty of open rides to add more.
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Is Melendez gone?
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ThePAMan and Tempo need to take notes on our handling of this misunderstanding… 😁
LOL.
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Is Melendez gone?
I feel like if Shannon comes back he will bolt. He'd be fighting with both TSJ and Goode for minutes. But we'll see. It's been said he's a bit of a drama queen.
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I feel like if Shannon comes back he will bolt. He'd be fighting with both TSJ and Goode for minutes. But we'll see. It's been said he's a bit of a drama queen.
Reina del drama, he may very well be, then again aren't they all on some level?
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Is Melendez gone?
Still apparently waffling.
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So take off Melendez, Hawkins, Epps, Shannon, Mayer (basically the starting 5), and replace them with a PG and a FW and it’s still the same level of team?
You’re crazy.
Your broke ass predicted this year's team was so bad that they'd miss the NIT.
I know this is a concept your tiny brain can't grasp, but Illini freshmen and sophomores do improve.
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Your broke ass predicted this year's team was so bad that they'd miss the NIT.
Yeah, but his prediction was still right. He told us so!
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Goode and Rodgers replace Mayer & Melendez.
Good riddance to Epps. Won't miss him shoulder checking the coach and would rather have Harris.
Dainja should be better.
A good pg and big replace Hawkins and Shannon. This year's team was really hurt by not having a pg. Also Broke Ass Squeaky said Hawkins and Mayer are terrible. Now he's moving the goal posts.
Lastly, I'm expecting Hansberry to be a solid freshman.
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Yeah, but his prediction was still right. He told us so!
Squeaky was also a successful day trader until Karen told us he lives in a dorm.
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Up to 25 players transferring to UI, per Loyalty Insiders.
https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/post/illinois-hoops-recruiting-thread.31033/page-8#post-1891060
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It's impressive how confident you still are despite your track record.
Three of those guys have a reasonable chance at coming back, too, because of course you'd just be wrong about that. Being wrong is What You Do.
Fanin was implying those 3 would be gone, and the team would be the same level. Thats what I was questioning
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A good pg and big replace Hawkins and Shannon. .
Without Shannon and Epps on this past year's team, it'd have lost 18+ games. Those guys are far harder to replace than you think they are.
NW, MI, UCLA, Michigan State, Texas would have all been losses probably more as well.
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Without Shannon and Epps on this past year's team, it'd have lost 18+ games. Those guys are far harder to replace than you think they are.
NW, MI, UCLA, Michigan State, Texas would have all been losses probably more as well.
So your point is removing a pre-season all american candidate and a freshman combo guard who is score first mentality adds up to than many losses? Name one other team that wouldn't apply too? There is no country in the nation that could lose 20-30 points per game and not lose the majority of their games, I would gladly take 2 X-fers who have proven they can get 10-15 any night, easy those two are replaced then.
All that said, the problem primarily with this years team, was it was built around Hawk (hasn't lived up to the hype/potential as of yet), TSJ who knew he was going to be the BMOC no matter what, and Mayer who for all his talents seems to have been a headache on many different occasions. Sometimes the old adage of addition by subtraction can actually make sense.
TSJ I would love to have back, Hawk as well, Mayer and Epps (both seemed to tune out BU) are not at the end of the day that big of a deal. I like Harris long term more than Epps. I think any other transfer can basically add up to Mayer...losing TSJ will hurt, however, I think losing Hawk is more important, because he is harder to game plan for.
Don't forget the B1G overall will be much worse next year: PSU/Indiana/Purdue/Iowa/Nebraska/Rutgers/ and yes the ILLINI are all due for rough years. That said, if half the league is worse off, then this helps us, just as much as them.
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The team moving forward needs proven scorers. Period. Two or ideally three of them who were 10+ ppg relied upon scoring options on their teams - not 4th options.
If TJS does not return we will not have anything resembling a go to guy. We will need to hit the portal hard for at least two and hopefully three decent proven scorers. (post/wing/PG).
Even if Hawkins returns he is not a consistent scorer. He really is kind of just a guy after three years who occasionally makes an athletic play.
Have no idea why any NBA team would want him on anything but a two way at best to take a look at for a year as a flyer. My advice to him is to learn Spanish and make a few bucks overseas and get a fcking jumpshot.
He can't shoot at all, he really can't guard his space one on one as he is not very strong, he is average rebounder, and he amazingly can't reliably get his own shot even though he is 6'10".
As noted we need a PG, but it needs to be a scoring point guard.
We need three point shooting badly.
Only guy coming back who can shoot the three is Goode and I am not sure he can do enough other stuff.
I could care less about RJ. Looks like a head case. He needs to start over somewhere else.
Harris and Rodgers are really just rotation guys on a good team. Not starters. Maybe as juniors or seniors. I like the effort and energy and physical ability, but they are unbelievably bad jump shooters and shoot free throws like shitty 4th graders.
Dainja is usable, had a decent first year, but we need another post guy. This poorly executed drop coverage bullshit we have been doing for years is embarrassing.
We will have some role guy talent coming back, a couple interesting freshmen, but none of it (except for Shannon if he returns) are proven scorers.
Shannon actually is a possible NBA prospect physically and athletically and skill wise and my hunch is with decent workouts he gets feedback that he can go second round and could make a roster.
Lets assume he does not return.
Hit the portal for guys who can score the fcking ball.
When you look at these teams who went deep, the only guys we had that would even play on these teams were TJS who really is a pretty damn good player, and then Hawkins as just long athletic support guy.
We were not good this year, they didn't like each other, and Underwood and staff are below average game and development coaches.
They did about as well as we could have hoped.
They were a Top 35-40 team and that is what we got.
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Without Shannon and Epps on this past year's team, it'd have lost 18+ games. Those guys are far harder to replace than you think they are.
NW, MI, UCLA, Michigan State, Texas would have all been losses probably more as well.
It's not a tournament team without Shannon. No doubt.
If Dainja, Rodgers, Goode and Harris return, they're returning more wins than last year.
Underwood needs to fill a couple big gaps via the transfer portal though.
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Welcome back, LKDog. Good to see you.
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Welcome back, LKDog. Good to see you.
Agreed.
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+3
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I largely agree w/ LK except I think Rodgers has a higher upside and that a point guard who can actually distribute (which none of our 3 PGs could do this year) would make a huge difference in getting scoring out of Hawkins, Goode, RJ, etc.
If Shannon is gone we desperately need one of the 15 ppg+ guys to sign up, ideally a 2 guard but Brad has a fetish for positionless 6'7" wing forwards.
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+4
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Other than it looked like we had a cancer in the locker room this year that hopefully caused the staff to research prevention and treatment, congratulations to Underwood.
(https://i.ibb.co/b7ksLVr/Screenshot-20230331-092253-Samsung-Internet.jpg) (https://ibb.co/stZKQ4F)
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We may have went out in the first round, but at least we defeated cancer.
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If anyone wants me to talk to some recruits, LMK.
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This program needs a shooting coach.
Not sure I can think of any player we have had since Underwood has been here who became a noticeably better shooter.
DaMonte had one year aberration then reverted to his norm.
Kofi never got better. Ayo never developed a threeball.
Trent never really improved. Grandison fell apart last year.
Melendez fell apart.
I mean Harris and Rodgers can go to the gym and take 500 shots a day until November, but if it is the same shit form you will get the same result.
They both need to be broken down from scratch.
The other chronic issue this program has is not bringing in legit point guards. A combo guard in HS rarely translates to a D1 level PG.
Ayo was phenomenal college off guard. Not a point guard. Trent was warrior and great off guard. Not a point guard.
Nowell is a point guard. He was in the fcking Sun Belt for three years. These are the type of guys we play in pre season who give us a new asshole and a scare every year, but we are too focused on wings (as noted by others) who can do a lot of things, but nothing really well.
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Welcome back, LKdog.
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Welcome back, LKdog.
Thanks guys.
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This program needs a shooting coach.
Not sure I can think of any player we have had since Underwood has been here who became a noticeably better shooter.
DaMonte had one year aberration then reverted to his norm.
Kofi never got better. Ayo never developed a threeball.
Trent never really improved. Grandison fell apart last year.
Melendez fell apart.
I mean Harris and Rodgers can go to the gym and take 500 shots a day until November, but if it is the same shit form you will get the same result.
They both need to be broken down from scratch.
The other chronic issue this program has is not bringing in legit point guards. A combo guard in HS rarely translates to a D1 level PG.
Ayo was phenomenal college off guard. Not a point guard. Trent was warrior and great off guard. Not a point guard.
Nowell is a point guard. He was in the fcking Sun Belt for three years. These are the type of guys we play in pre season who give us a new asshole and a scare every year, but we are too focused on wings (as noted by others) who can do a lot of things, but nothing really well.
hi LK!
to be fair, the kids have to put in the work
haven't heard any stories of kids shooting 1000 a day or anything like that (other than Podz), they are mostly chillin and playing video games, which I'm sure is what most college kids do but still
and to be fair I'm not really looking for stories like this so I'm sure they exist, but the results on the court have certainly been sporadic, which is common with young players and quick rental transfers I guess
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This program needs a shooting coach.
Like when to not throw up bricks ? lol.
My suggestion was offensive and defensive coordinators, and there's probably no reason why an OC can't be a shooting coach also.
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hi LK!
to be fair, the kids have to put in the work
haven't heard any stories of kids shooting 1000 a day or anything like that (other than Podz), they are mostly chillin and playing video games, which I'm sure is what most college kids do but still
and to be fair I'm not really looking for stories like this so I'm sure they exist, but the results on the court have certainly been sporadic, which is common with young players and quick rental transfers I guess
Yeah, putting in the work is huge part, for sure. Putting in the right kind of work is just as important.
I feel like this staff just has the janitor open up the gym and leaves them to their own devices.
These top 150 kids come in these days with really big holes in their game and need a lot of work.
Losing Podz was a big fail for this staff. Say what one wishes about the West Coast Conference- the kid could shoot and has size and is apparently legit on NBA radar.
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This program needs a shooting coach.
I thought the term they used for this guy was “coach.”
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Like when to not throw up bricks ? lol.
My suggestion was offensive and defensive coordinators, and there's probably no reason why an OC can't be a shooting coach also.
Agree, shot selection was abysmal.
As for defensive whiz and toughness coach- I thought Chet was supposed to be that guy.
Not seeing it. I think his job has been to counsel kids in huddle after Matt Foley meltdowns so they do not fall apart or leave.
That isn't happening so well either.
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I thought the term they used for this guy was “coach.”
LOL.
The reality that Underwood is 7th highest paid coach in all of college BB is mind boggling.
He is now 0-7 in getting out of first weekend of tourney.
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LOL.
The reality that Underwood is 7th highest paid coach in all of college BB is mind boggling.
He is now 0-7 in getting out of first weekend of tourney.
well it costs a lot of money to clean up a toxic waste spill
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As for 2023-24 we will likely end up with OK roster via portal after all is said and done by end of Spring as we have pretty much all five starting spots up for grabs, but we are starting over really.
A lot of work to do.
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The team moving forward needs proven scorers. Period. Two or ideally three of them who were 10+ ppg relied upon scoring options on their teams - not 4th options.
If TJS does not return we will not have anything resembling a go to guy. We will need to hit the portal hard for at least two and hopefully three decent proven scorers. (post/wing/PG).
Even if Hawkins returns he is not a consistent scorer. He really is kind of just a guy after three years who occasionally makes an athletic play.
Have no idea why any NBA team would want him on anything but a two way at best to take a look at for a year as a flyer. My advice to him is to learn Spanish and make a few bucks overseas and get a fcking jumpshot.
He can't shoot at all, he really can't guard his space one on one as he is not very strong, he is average rebounder, and he amazingly can't reliably get his own shot even though he is 6'10".
As noted we need a PG, but it needs to be a scoring point guard.
We need three point shooting badly.
Only guy coming back who can shoot the three is Goode and I am not sure he can do enough other stuff.
I could care less about RJ. Looks like a head case. He needs to start over somewhere else.
Harris and Rodgers are really just rotation guys on a good team. Not starters. Maybe as juniors or seniors. I like the effort and energy and physical ability, but they are unbelievably bad jump shooters and shoot free throws like shitty 4th graders.
Dainja is usable, had a decent first year, but we need another post guy. This poorly executed drop coverage bullshit we have been doing for years is embarrassing.
We will have some role guy talent coming back, a couple interesting freshmen, but none of it (except for Shannon if he returns) are proven scorers.
Shannon actually is a possible NBA prospect physically and athletically and skill wise and my hunch is with decent workouts he gets feedback that he can go second round and could make a roster.
Lets assume he does not return.
Hit the portal for guys who can score the fcking ball.
When you look at these teams who went deep, the only guys we had that would even play on these teams were TJS who really is a pretty damn good player, and then Hawkins as just long athletic support guy.
We were not good this year, they didn't like each other, and Underwood and staff are below average game and development coaches.
They did about as well as we could have hoped.
They were a Top 35-40 team and that is what we got.
Welcome back!
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He is now 0-7 in getting out of first weekend of tourney.
Oh wow, yikes. Hadn’t thought of it that way. Yikes. And that includes the program he was stripped of wins at.
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Hunter Dickinson just entered the portal lol.
Would be hilarious if we grabbed him.
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Hunter Dickinson just entered the portal lol.
Would be hilarious if we grabbed him.
😂
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Oh wow, yikes. Hadn’t thought of it that way. Yikes. And that includes the program he was stripped of wins at.
Where he was playing as low seeds from a low-major and got upsets.
Criticize him for not making the S16 at Illinois, but criticizing for "only" getting one upset (twice) is pretty silly. SFA has two tournament wins, total - both Underwood.
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This program needs a shooting coach.
They need to identify shooters in high school and via the portal.
Kids with broken shots like Rodger and Harris typically don't become good shooters.
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Hunter Dickinson just entered the portal lol.
Would be hilarious if we grabbed him.
If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em?! He’d be the college version of Durant 😂
Seriously though, fuck Hunter Dickinson. He the player I can’t stand the most in college basketball. If he joined the Illini, I might have to call John Wick!
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If he joined the Illini, I might have to call John Wick!
Just call in the marker I gave you, and it’s done.
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They need to identify shooters in high school and via the portal.
Kids with broken shots like Rodger and Harris typically don't become good shooters.
In most cases that is true. I really don't understand how a kid can be a a Top 60 or Top 120 recruit and have absolutely no jumpshot and cannot shoot free throws.
Unless Rodgers and Harris get totally broke down from scratch and work their ass off for the next 7 months, they will still be limited to being defense and energy bench guys.
I guess if we have 3 high level scorers you can have them out there a lot, but we don't have that happening.
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They need to identify shooters
You wanted a good shooter?
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In most cases that is true. I really don't understand how a kid can be a a Top 60 or Top 120 recruit and have absolutely no jumpshot and cannot shoot free throws.
Unless Rodgers and Harris get totally broke down from scratch and work their ass off for the next 7 months, they will still be limited to being defense and energy bench guys.
I guess if we have 3 high level scorers you can have them out there a lot, but we don't have that happening.
Many HS players are ranked without a proven game (jumpshot). Most are playing wing/slashing athletes and are rated accordingly. Look at how many "non-specific-skill" players are in football, yet they are ranked high as athletes. The same can be said for basketball. Colleges and fans alike get caught up in rankings way to much on recruits...this years NCAA Final Four and now the portal is proving this point.
Who wanted say: Miami (Omier) previous school Arkansas St., FAU (Davis) signed out of HS, first and only to drop this line in NCAA game 25-10-5-5, point is this is only 2 of the 4 still alive and yet are key players that were not even thought of out of HS. Portal has players from the likes of Brown, and many other smaller schools getting heavily recruited to the Blue Bloods and others now, they never even thought of looking at those guys out of HS.
Colleges must do a better job of identifying players early in HS and also in the portal, if they don't many coaches will be on the hot seat annually. This year NCAA Tourney is an outlier for years to come. The years of the Blue Bloods dominating may very well be over. They will still win, but the margin has closed considerably for it to be a given moving forward. A good thing for College Basketball imo.
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In most cases that is true. I really don't understand how a kid can be a a Top 60 or Top 120 recruit and have absolutely no jumpshot and cannot shoot free throws.
Unless Rodgers and Harris get totally broke down from scratch and work their ass off for the next 7 months, they will still be limited to being defense and energy bench guys.
I guess if we have 3 high level scorers you can have them out there a lot, but we don't have that happening.
I can see Rodgers starting next year along with Goode. Although Rodgers can't shoot, he can play make, defend and rebound
If Hawkins returns, which he should, put him at center and find a pg who can shoot and stretch 4 via the portal.
Harris can be the high energy 6th man.
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I was high on Harris till he shot 4/20 from the free throw line this year.
I look at it as a miracle he even shot 31% from 3.
The team will be awful next year. One of the worst Illini teams of all time level awful.
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ON3 now has Epps as the 7th best combo guard in the portal and 39th overall. Clark is the 13th pg,
39th 59th overall.
247 has them higher, but is not updated.
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I can see Rodgers starting next year along with Goode. Although Rodgers can't shoot, he can play make, defend and rebound
Harris can be the high energy 6th man.
I can see us being thoroughly mediocre if this is the case.
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ON3 now has Epps as the 7th best combo guard in the portal and 39th overall. Clark is the 13th pg, 39th overall.
247 has them higher, but is not updated.
How can they both be 39th overall?
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How can they both be 39th overall?
Clark is the 13th pg, 39th 59th overall.
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Clark is the 13th pg, 39th 59th overall.
Thanks, was just busting your balls.
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I can see us being thoroughly mediocre if this is the case.
Probably a 9-10 seed.
Underwood needs the 04-05 roster to make a Sweet 16.
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https://twitter.com/colehawk23/status/1641956737996533762?t=dK6qTG29Kp6KtPuNcoKB_A&s=19
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I can see Rodgers starting next year along with Goode. Although Rodgers can't shoot, he can play make, defend and rebound
If Hawkins returns, which he should, put him at center and find a pg who can shoot and stretch 4 via the portal.
Harris can be the high energy 6th man.
Agree Rodgers is a baller. Would be good 6th man IMO, as he can play and guard 1-4. Has to get a jumpshot.
We need to get some firepower in the portal.
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I was high on Harris till he shot 4/20 from the free throw line this year.
I look at it as a miracle he even shot 31% from 3.
The team will be awful next year. One of the worst Illini teams of all time level awful.
You are trying too hard you pathetic fcktard.
Did you enjoy watching Illinois in the NIT??
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The team will be awful next year. One of the worst Illini teams of all time level awful.
If you repeat it another 20 times, it might come to fruition.
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I remember our worst teams. Paxton Warden, Connor Serven, and AJ Redd would have been upgrades.
Right now, those three will likely be back next year. Nobody knows who else will be on the roster.
Matt Mayer is thankfully done. I am being facetious. Sort of. Perrin is pursuing pro opportunities in France. Clark, Epps, and Lieb are in the portal..
Shannon and Hawkins entered the draft, but retained the option to return. My guess is both are 60/40.
Goode, Rodgers, Dainja, and Epps are virtual locks to return. RJ seems to be 50/50.
Among the signed recruits; Hansberry and DGL, look solid as of now and Moretti already enrolled early.
Did I forget anyone? They have plenty of scholarships to add some 'pieces.' There is a word that has changed in meaning.
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We will be fine. Hopefully staff learned some things about roster construction.
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If you repeat it another 20 times, it might come to fruition.
I’m just preparing people in advance. There will be no changing of expectations given the pending roster.
You get a coach that loses 20 games in season 7. He’s fired. Period.
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And just to give people perspective on what Underwood’s era is like:
The Kofi years were like the 1999-2001 football years with Kurt Kittner. Only difference is Ron Turner lucked into the Sugar Bowl thru a technicality and Underwood couldn’t even luck his way into the Sweet 16.
This past basketball season was like the 2002 football season. Very disappointing but an anticipated step back.
The 2023 basketball season will be like the 2003 football season. A horrific team with a dead coach walking.
We can only hope that Whitman, unlike Coach Guenther, pulls the plug on the train wreck immediately after the season.
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And just to give people perspective on what Underwood’s era is like:
The Kofi years were like the 1999-2001 football years with Kurt Kittner. Only difference is Ron Turner lucked into the Sugar Bowl thru a technicality and Underwood couldn’t even luck his way into the Sweet 16.
This past basketball season was like the 2002 football season. Very disappointing but an anticipated step back.
The 2023 basketball season will be like the 2003 football season. A horrific team with a dead coach walking.
We can only hope that Whitman, unlike Coach Guenther, pulls the plug on the train wreck immediately after the season.
You initially predicted 14 wins for the 2022-23 team.
My recommendation is to see what the 2023-2024 roster looks like by May and save your incessant trolling until then.
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You are trying too hard you pathetic fcktard.
No, Harris really did shoot 4/20 from the FREE THROW LINE. 20% 😂
I could have made 7/20 even with being nervous in front of a big crowd. And I’m bad at basketball. 4/20 are you kidding me? I’d investigate him for point shaving
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A higher 3 point percentage than free throw percentage has to be very rare.
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I’m just preparing people in advance. There will be no changing of expectations given the pending roster.
You get a coach that loses 20 games in season 7. He’s fired. Period.
Underwood is going nowhere. We will not lose 20 games.
You will still be a lonely sad little broke fuck cleaning puke, shit, and pee out of your car every night and living in a flop house for crackheads.
Nice life you have carved out for yourself.
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The absurdity of predicting next year’s record, in March, in the transfer portal era.
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https://twitter.com/colehawk23/status/1641956737996533762?t=dK6qTG29Kp6KtPuNcoKB_A&s=19
That’s funny.
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The absurdity of predicting next year’s record, in March, in the transfer portal era.
He is a moron and that is what morons
living in a flophouse with no life do.
Had us at 14 wins last year. Then changed it to 17 when he realized he was a total idiot.
Then guaranteed we would be in NIT until late in the season.
Of course he was wrong on everything as usual.
I am hoping he attacks an FBI facility defending Trump and gets obliterated in his puke ridden 1987 Ford Taurus.
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He is a moron and that is what morons
living in a flophouse with no life do.
Had us at 14 wins last year. Then changed it to 17 when he realized he was a total idiot.
Then guaranteed we would be in NIT until late in the season.
Of course he was wrong on everything as usual.
I am hoping he attacks an FBI facility defending Trump and gets obliterated in his puke ridden 1987 Ford Taurus.
Welcome back, LK. You have been missed.
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Welcome back, LK. You have been missed.
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I don’t think I’ll ever tire of Dickinson/scUM jokes.
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I don’t think I’ll ever tire of Dickinson/scUM jokes.
They practically write themselves
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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They are drooling over idea of Dickinson to Illinois on Loyalty by the way.
Who the hell knows these days.
I wouldn't mind any post under this staff who can do something on defense beyond standing in the restricted circle watching guys have career games drilling 12 foot jumpers on us all night.
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ahahahahaha
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I think Hansberry can play the defensive post. He might be 6-7, but he is strong as an ox, moves his feet, has great hands, and a 7-1 wingspan. On offense, the scouts call him a point center. I'd rather pick up a McLaurin to back up Dainja and Hansberry.
I don't like comparisons, but Hansberry reminds me of Ken Norman in the way he uses he strength to rebound and play defense.
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I think Hansberry can play the defensive post. He might be 6-7, but he is strong as an ox, moves his feet, has good hands, and a 7-1 wingspan. On offense, the scouts call him a point center. I'd rather pick up a McLaurin to back up Dainja and Hansberry.
With today’s eligibility leniency, maybe Sam has some left.
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Supposedly Maryland is possibility for Hunter Dickinson. Just hired his HS coach.
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Supposedly Maryland is possibility for Hunter Dickinson. Just hired his HS coach.
That or a dad/family member is usually a dead giveaway.
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Melendez in the portal, reportedly.
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Melendez in the portal, reportedly.
I thought maybe he would stay, but I'm not surprised he's leaving.
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I thought maybe he would stay, but I'm not surprised he's leaving.
Nice
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https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/2023/ Current as of now...LOL, it's fluid
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Utah Valley Justin Harmon with ILLINI offer in portal?
I really hope this isn't the signs of our portal talent this year. 45 from field an d34 from 3's. NIT Final Four player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmJayMl83IA
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Utah Valley Justin Harmon with ILLINI offer in portal?
I really hope this isn't the signs of our portal talent this year. 45 from field an d34 from 3's. NIT Final Four player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmJayMl83IA
They are gonna need to bring in 5+ new players in the next month. I expect a few will be Khalid Lewis level
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If we have 4 spots which as of now we do, here is who I would like if we (fans) had any part in the portal talent we can get. Only players in already of course.
Posh Alexander
Javonte Brown Ferguson
Aiden Ighiehon
Murray or Knecht
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If we want to keep the Baylor pipeline open, LJ Cryer is available.
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If we want to keep the Baylor pipeline open, LJ Cryer is available.
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-transfer-portal-Best-potential-fits-for-Baylor-star-guard-LJ-Cryer-207795564/#207795564_1 (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-transfer-portal-Best-potential-fits-for-Baylor-star-guard-LJ-Cryer-207795564/#207795564_1)
Says he wants to play PG. A scoring PG. Shoots 42% from three.
This would address a lot of issues. Break out the money.
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If we want to keep the Baylor pipeline open, LJ Cryer is available.
Very good player would take him in a second
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https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-transfer-portal-Best-potential-fits-for-Baylor-star-guard-LJ-Cryer-207795564/#207795564_1 (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-transfer-portal-Best-potential-fits-for-Baylor-star-guard-LJ-Cryer-207795564/#207795564_1)
Says he wants to play PG. A scoring PG. Shoots 42% from three.
This would address a lot of issues. Break out the money.
Would love to get this kid, big kid/proven player, problem is outside of our NIL collective, what would make him want to choose us over some of those schools, that make just as much if not more sense from PT standpoint?
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https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-transfer-portal-Best-potential-fits-for-Baylor-star-guard-LJ-Cryer-207795564/#207795564_1 (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-transfer-portal-Best-potential-fits-for-Baylor-star-guard-LJ-Cryer-207795564/#207795564_1)
Says he wants to play PG. A scoring PG. Shoots 42% from three.
This would address a lot of issues. Break out the money.
How crazy we can that now, and it’s legal. Times they are a changin’.
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Would love to get this kid, big kid/proven player, problem is outside of our NIL collective, what would make him want to choose us over some of those schools, that make just as much if not more sense from PT standpoint?
I think if he comes he gets all of the playing time he wants.
Maybe I am not understanding your comment.
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Utah Valley Justin Harmon with ILLINI offer in portal?
I really hope this isn't the signs of our portal talent this year. 45 from field an d34 from 3's. NIT Final Four player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmJayMl83IA
How many dudes just contributed to high majors deep into the tourney after putting up mediocre shooting efficiency numbers at mid or low majors?
The national champions' third leading scorer shot 40% from the floor and 31% from the floor in three years at East Carolina.
The runner ups' second leading scorer shot 40% from the floor and 34.5% from three in two years at Seattle, after starting at City College of San Francisco.
Kansas State made the E8, their leading scorer shot 39% from the floor and 36% from three in two years at Arkansas-Little Rock. Their fourth leading scorer shot 44% from the floor and 25.5% from three last year at Arkansas State.
Texas made the E8, their second leading scorer shot 42% from the floor and 33% from three in three years at New Mexico State.
Not saying this guy is going to be that necessarily, but someone's stats at that level don't seem to be a particularly good indicator of their ability to contribute to a team making a deep run.
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I think if he comes he gets all of the playing time he wants.
Maybe I am not understanding your comment.
You did, part of the point is with our NIL collective (one of the nations best), and ALOT of playing time available....if recruits don't want to come here....how come?
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You did, part of the point is with our NIL collective (one of the nations best), and ALOT of playing time available....if recruits don't want to come here....how come?
They are not enamored with Underwood and/or our chances in NCAA tourney for exposure would be the answer.
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They are not enamored with Underwood and/or our chances in NCAA tourney for exposure would be the answer.
But we’d be out of line to think we can maybe do better…
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They are not enamored with Underwood and/or our chances in NCAA tourney for exposure would be the answer.
You move on to Bonus round...ding, ding, ding....
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But we’d be out of line to think we can maybe do better…
You move on to the Bonus Round as well....ding, ding, ding
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They are not enamored with Underwood and/or our chances in NCAA tourney for exposure would be the answer.
LOL, you guys are incredible.
Underwood has recruited really well here, as well as anyone we've had since Self that's for sure. Quite literally no one has replaced their transfers yet - as I posted earlier, there are 30 outgoing and 3 incoming transfers to the entire conference right now.
We have two more top-125 recruits coming in this year. A top-50 type committed for next year.
You just assume everyone else agrees with your biased view and attribute your views to them as fact regardless of the evidence, it's stupid as fuck.
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LOL, you guys are incredible.
Underwood has recruited really well here, as well as anyone we've had since Self that's for sure.
We have two more top-125 recruits coming in this year.
Let’s see how the next year or two go. I’m willing to reserve judgment. It’s still a relatively small sample size.
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But we’d be out of line to think we can maybe do better…
I've never seen anyone say we can't do better. Can you link me to where someone said that, or acknowledge you made it up?
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I've never seen anyone say we can't do better. Can you link me to where someone said that, or acknowledge you made it up?
But you make it sound like it’s absurd to be open to a change. I mostly agree with you. Also, there aren’t many people calling for his firing. I’m not. So there’s some middle ground here we’re not reaching.
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But you make it sound like it’s absurd to be open to a change. I mostly agree with you. Also, there aren’t many people calling for his firing. I’m not. So there’s some middle ground beee we’re not reaching.
You don't even read my fuckin posts man.
I specifically said, I get saying "it's probably more likely we get worse but it's worth the risk". I said it explicitly.
I think the idea that if we were to fire him we'd be more likely to get better is false. I think we're considerably more likely to get worse. Does not mean we CAN'T get better, but you still seem like you struggle to argue with the posts people actually make.
Of course we COULD get better if we fired him and hired someone else. The chances of that are lower than the chances of us doing that and getting worse though.
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You don't even read my fuckin posts man.
I specifically said, I get saying "it's probably more likely we get worse but it's worth the risk". I said it explicitly.
I think the idea that if we were to fire him we'd be more likely to get better is false. I think we're considerably more likely to get worse. Does not mean we CAN'T get better, but you still seem like you struggle to argue with the posts people actually make.
Of course we COULD get better if we fired him and hired someone else. The chances of that are lower than the chances of us doing that and getting worse though.
I don’t think I ever said you said we couldn’t get better. What I said is that you scoff at anyone interested in a change.
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Which would seem to imply you think he’s (most likely) the best we can do. No small amount of people disagree with that here. I even specifically acknowledged we could get worse.
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Which would seem to imply you think he’s (most likely) the best we can do. No small amount of people disagree with that here. I even specifically acknowledged we could get worse.
You’re horrendous at inference apparently. It doesn’t imply he’s the best we can do in any way whatsoever.
Didn’t imply anything really, I said what I meant. That it’s more likely we hire someone worse than Underwood than better if we were to fire him.
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You’re horrendous at inference apparently. It doesn’t imply he’s the best we can do in any way whatsoever.
Didn’t imply anything really, I said what I meant. That it’s more likely we hire someone worse than Underwood than better if we were to fire him.
And some of us disagree. Neither are unreasonable opinions.
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And again, I certainly never said the words “fire him…” so it looks like I might not be the only one with a reading comprehension problem.
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You’re horrendous at inference apparently. It doesn’t imply he’s the best we can do in any way whatsoever.
Didn’t imply anything really, I said what I meant. That it’s more likely we hire someone worse than Underwood than better if we were to fire him.
He isn't going anywhere this year, but allegedly he was sniffing around to leave per other boards.
I think he is pretty much just a guy at this point. I thought he was going to be very good a couple years ago.
I can live with him if he would calm the fuck down, get a little better at roster construction, X and O's, and getting buy in from the players.
Otherwise I could see him moving on in two years if we either miss the tourney and/or flame out first weekend both years.
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You don't even read my fuckin posts man.
This was all that was needing said. Pretty much sums up everything in one sentence.
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This was all that was needing said. Pretty much sums up everything in one sentence.
Again, that goes both ways. I never called for his “firing.”
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I read his posts just fine. He feels we’d likely do worse if we had to replace Underwood, and I’ve said I’m willing to take that chance. As have others.
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Otherwise I could see him moving on in two years if we either miss the tourney and/or flame out first weekend both years.
If we flame this coming year (looking highly likely), or miss the tournament or make it and lose first weekend, then I think Whitman is in a tough position.
BU isn't going anywhere on his own though, fully guaranteed contract to the tune of 9.5 Mil? Even if Whitman wanted him gone, he would I think, have to have a really good Coach already agree in principle behind the scenes in order to get any buyout $$ forked over, why else try to make the move.
ILLINI fans can only hope that BU finds other ways to motivate. Some kids like and need the Army style, others well they need coddled...not right, but it is the current needs of some kids, athletes or not.
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If we flame this coming year (looking highly likely), or miss the tournament or make it and lose first weekend, then I think Whitman is in a tough position.
BU isn't going anywhere on his own though, fully guaranteed contract to the tune of 9.5 Mil? Even if Whitman wanted him gone, he would I think, have to have a really good Coach already agree in principle behind the scenes in order to get any buyout $$ forked over, why else try to make the move.
ILLINI fans can only hope that BU finds other ways to motivate. Some kids like and need the Army style, others well they need coddled...not right, but it is the current needs of some kids, athletes or not.
I think we will without question be adding veteran players addressing our needs so very hard to predict where we will be at. The only question is how good they are and how they fit together.
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If Tempo had an ounce of creativity, he would make a Strawman mult and just post as that.
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And again, I certainly never said the words “fire him…” so it looks like I might not be the only one with a reading comprehension problem.
Pretty sure I even said something to the effect that firing him now would look pretty ridiculous or indefensible. Repeatedly, I’ve said or implied that if he got hired away or chose to leave. I think “firing” Underwood right now would look ridiculous. Unless…you KNEW you had a heavy hitter in the bag. Say, Sean Miller.
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It would have to be for a HOF level coach or something close and on the rise.
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It would have to be for a HOF level coach or something close and on the rise.
Agreed, just not sure we can get a HOF type of coach here? Miller might be the best option, but with everything in the past happening, who knows, he may never leave.
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It would have to be for a HOF level coach or something close and on the rise.
Hmmmmm..... what HOF level coach would come to a program that has not seen a S16 in 18 years?
Best bet would be a proven younger coach who players really like playing for.
Really most all of these coaches are just a guy and they run mostly the same shit.
The differences are who can recruit. who can get buy in, who can develop, who can gameplan, and who can adjust in game.
Our guy is a a decent recruiter (B), and average at best (C) at the rest.
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Hmmmmm..... what HOF level coach would come to a program that has not seen a S16 in 18 years?
Best bet would be a proven younger coach who players really like playing for.
Really most all of these coaches are just a guy and they run mostly the same shit.
The differences are who can recruit. who can get buy in, who can develop, who can gameplan, and who can adjust in game.
Our guy is a a decent recruiter (B), and average at best (C) at the rest.
Pitino probably would have taken this job. Miller might (and according to some it’s been in the works, but I don’t necessarily buy that). Not that Miller is a HOFer yet, but he’s still young. Musselman or Oates aren’t necessarily HOFers but their trajectories are pointing up. Again, I’d only be for canning Underwood if you had an absolute home run hire already in the can. Which would be unlikely.
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Pitino probably would have taken this job. Miller might (and according to some it’s been in the works, but I don’t necessarily buy that). Not that Miller is a HOFer yet, but he’s still young. Musselman or Oates aren’t necessarily HOFers but their trajectories are pointing up. Again, I’d only be for canning Underwood if you had an absolute home run hire already in the can. Which would be unlikely.
I'm a little not on board with Oats with the whole pew pew shoot em up shit and how he handled it.
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I'm a little not on board with Oats with the whole pew pew shoot em up shit and how he handled it.
Was a big fan of Oats prior to that entire debacle....not sure what the hell he or the university was thinking. Really bad optics and morals displayed imo. Sellout for what amounted to nothing return really from that day forward except a game winning shot in one game?
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I'm a little not on board with Oats with the whole pew pew shoot em up shit and how he handled it.
Agree.
And Pitino is a total scumbag and over 70.
Miller is also a scumbag.
Musselman would be good.
But he has a great job already.
Illinois is not what we think it is.
That said, the guy we have now is in danger of being a never was.
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Brandon Newman Purdue just hit the portal
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Brandon Newman Purdue just hit the portal
Geez. They just went from slow to slower.
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Daniel Batcho from Texas Tech wouldn't be terrible, we could/will probably do worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3anmmXfWl8k
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Conner Servan transferring
https://www.on3.com/db/connor-serven-148779/
5 slots now available, possibly 7 if my count is right
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Shut the fuck up, Dommy.
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Conner Servan transferring
https://www.on3.com/db/connor-serven-148779/
5 slots now available, possibly 7 if my count is right
Wasn’t Servan a walkon?
13 total rides available:
(7 taken)
Harris
Goode
Hansberry
Lawhorn
Rodgers
Dainja
Moretti
Looks like 4 for sure available, with 2 held for Shannon/Hawkins
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Wasn’t Servan a walkon?
13 total rides available:
(7 taken)
Harris
Goode
Hansberry
Lawhorn
Rodgers
Dainja
Moretti
Looks like 4 for sure available, with 2 held for Shannon/Hawkins
That is correct, I was off by one. Dom was correct guys. ;D
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I'm a little not on board with Oats with the whole pew pew shoot em up shit and how he handled it.
Totally agree. Just using him as an example of who could be an “upgrade.” TBH I mostly ignored that whole thing (meaning I didn’t dig into the story in depth), but from what I saw/heard he did not come out looking that good. My point is, there are coaches out there who could/would likely be an upgrade over Underwood.
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IF...and it's a B1G IF, the NCAA cracks down on 1st time x-fer's leaving for a 2nd time. 2nd time X-fer's supposedly will no longer be able participate immediately with exceptions of course, then I tend to think the way to build back the ILLINI is taking Fresh/Soph's. Then we get 3-4 yrs of play from past 4*-5* guys.
Why continue to try and build with Junior/Senior each year if we can only have them for say 1-2 years at best...1st time Jr/Sr's could transfer out in the case of Sr's or Covid Yr Sr. 1st time x-fer's for fresh/soph would lend itself to a much more stable program long haul?
I get the need for experience, and maybe that is all we get, but I would not be opposed to taking 1st time x-fers being younger guys that were 4-5* coming our of HS, and trying to get maximum yrs from them. Maybe we have a down year, but right now we are looking at that exact scenario next year anyways.
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I would take right now the following in this class IF we could get them.
Newman from Purdue
Batcho from Tex Tech
Paveletzke from Wofford
Murray from G-Town
We add them to Hansberry-Gibbs-Lawhorn and return Rodgers/Harris/Goode/Dainja/Moretti (?)-Redd (?), the last two who knows...and get both TSJ and Hawkins back, then we have a team. Without Hawk and TSJ we also add, Alexander from St. Johns and Njie from Penn State.
Those are the types and position/athletes IF can convince them with NIL deals we go after.
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Supposedly over 1300 players in the portal.
I think we will find two or three that will help.
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Supposedly over 1300 players in the portal.
I think we will find two or three that will help.
Funny we thought that about TSJ/Mayer...one could debate that there was as much harm as help with finding these two. Top 1/2 Transfer class last year....By the way we need exactly 4-6 that will help, not 2-3. ;D
First Round exit NCAA, B1G Tourney and many a game playing from double digit deficits. Yes I know it could/would have been worse without them, but seriously that class with those two, didn't really do us much favors overall.
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I have zero objections to what spark has said, despite how others have tried to twist his words.
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Funny we thought that about TSJ/Mayer...one could debate that there was as much harm as help with finding these two. Top 1/2 Transfer class last year....By the way we need exactly 4-6 that will help, not 2-3. ;D
First Round exit NCAA, B1G Tourney and many a game playing from double digit deficits. Yes I know it could/would have been worse without them, but seriously that class with those two, didn't really do us much favors overall.
We would have been under .500 without them. We will take Shannon back in a second.
I can see you are in full eeyore mode these days.
They will add players. Calm down.
(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/open-uri20150422-20810-11ej849_779819a7.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C600%2C600)
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Supposedly over 1300 players in the portal.
I think we will find two or three that will help.
Help how much is the key, though.
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I have zero objections to what spark has said, despite how others have tried to twist his words.
Me either, Underwood is a competent head coach. I’ve said this many times, and recently. But is anyone here actually calling for him to be “fired?” That’s an honest question. I’ve only really started to pay close attention to this debate the last few days. Because TBH I’d be surprised if the amount of people that want him “fired,” is more than 2. There’s probably a much bigger number of us that wouldn’t mind him being hired away. And that’s a very different thing.
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Underwood is not going anywhere unless the donors decide otherwise.
What's he going to do ? Look for a bigger than 7th best paycheck someplace ?
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Underwood is not going anywhere unless the donors decide otherwise.
What's he going to do ? Look for a bigger than 7th best paycheck someplace ?
Pretty much this.
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Underwood is not going anywhere unless the donors decide otherwise.
What's he going to do ? Look for a bigger than 7th best paycheck someplace ?
Depends on how much heat he’s feeling. He could decide to bail before he’s pushed out. But if it hasn’t happened by now, don’t see it happening until this time next year at the earliest.
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We would have been under .500 without them. We will take Shannon back in a second.
I can see you are in full eeyore mode these days.
They will add players. Calm down.
(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/open-uri20150422-20810-11ej849_779819a7.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C600%2C600)
Just because I state the fact that Shannon (who yes we take back in a minute) and Mayer didn't pan out has much as I would debate everyone originally thought, doesn't make it an eeyore mode.
I'm about as calm as it gets, hell with the history of the ILLINI, since I have followed them, calm is about all you can be. The frustration levels are to extreme, and the excitement levels are too minimal as a whole.
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Depends on how much heat he’s feeling. He could decide to bail before he’s pushed out. But if it hasn’t happened by now, don’t see it happening until this time next year at the earliest.
Perfect example is Shaka Smart. He knew his days were numbered and took the step down.
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Perfect example is Shaka Smart. He knew his days were numbered and took the step down.
I could be remembering wrong, but it feels like Shaka's firing was more imminent at Texas than Brad's currently.
I don't see Brad taking a step down voluntarily at this stage.
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I could be remembering wrong, but it feels like Shaka's firing was more imminent at Texas than Brad's currently.
I don't see Brad taking a step down voluntarily at this stage.
How the fck Illinois boosters gave him the 7th highest salary in country out of 358 schools is mind boggling.
He is definitely at a crossroads in next two years. If we miss the tourney both years he is definitely gone.
If he makes it one of years and he takes his annual shit in NCAA's he could be gone on his own to graze in a lower level job in the Big Sky or WAC
where they probably will enjoy his antics.
Makes it both years and makes a S16 or EE the DimWhit will make boosters give him a $10 million contract.
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How the fck Illinois boosters gave him the 7th highest salary in country out of 358 schools is mind boggling.
He is definitely at a crossroads in next two years. If we miss the tourney both years he is definitely gone.
If he makes it one of years and he takes his annual shit in NCAA's he could be gone on his own to graze in a lower level job in the Big Sky or WAC
where they probably will enjoy his antics.
Makes it both years and makes a S16 or EE the DimWhit will make boosters give him a $10 million contract.
My guess is they finally got a coach worth something, so they decided to finally start ponying up. When did he hit 7 mil? Was it around the time we were a 1 seed?
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My guess is they finally got a coach worth something, so they decided to finally start ponying up. When did he hit 7 mil? Was it around the time we were a 1 seed?
This list has him at 8th making $4.6MM.
https://frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-mens-college-basketball-coaches/ (https://frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-mens-college-basketball-coaches/)
Beard only making $3.25MM now after beating up his girlfriend.
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Yeah. I was trying to multitask there. He’s not making 7 mil. My oversight.
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Guess i got confused with “7th highest”
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Lol
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Guess i got confused with “7th highest”
Hell, he likely may have perks and other shit which add up well beyond the salary.
All power to him. Hope he can get back on trajectory we were on.
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I miss the Weber and Groce days.
Hopefully you guys can acknowledge that it's kind of funny to say with disdain "if Underwood meets the expectations I set for him our AD (DimWhit) will probably give him a raise and extension".
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Perfect example is Shaka Smart. He knew his days were numbered and took the step down.
Shaka was considered a clear upgrade that we badly wanted post-Weber, and then was mediocre as hell at Texas. He was getting about post-Dee Weber level results there.
He's a good example of the risk of moving on from someone - even the guys you're totally sure on and want badly are crapshoots.
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I miss the Weber and Groce days.
Hopefully you guys can acknowledge that it's kind of funny to say with disdain "if Underwood meets the expectations I set for him our AD (DimWhit) will probably give him a raise and extension".
You are his number one fan, for sure.
My expectations are a guy who doesn't act completely unhinged, becomes a much better game coach, and builds a culture that players buy into most nights with 40 minutes of effort. Would be nice to make a S16 again in our lifetime.
Maybe you are happy with less.
I do not think my expectations are unrealistic. Yes, he is overpaid IMO for what he has done.
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You are his number one fan, for sure.
My expectations are a guy who doesn't act completely unhinged, becomes a much better game coach, and builds a culture that players buy into most nights with 40 minutes of effort. Would be nice to make a S16 again in our lifetime.
Maybe you are happy with less.
I do not think my expectations are unrealistic. Yes, he is overpaid IMO for what he has done.
Nope, you've just completely lost any sense of objectivity here. You obviously don't like the guy. I've stated a number of times that I don't have particularly strong feelings about Underwood, other than that he took over a totally irrelevant program and has made us nationally relevant and a consistent tournament team - and I think it's silly to be so negative about a guy who's done that. If we go back to being a totally irrelevant program who maybe makes the tournament every other year, I'll be on board with moving on from him. That has not happened. Would you be happier right now with Underwood if he hadn't hit the portal hard last year and we were just bad/rebuilding this season and not close to the tournament? That wouldn't have been preferable to me personally, but maybe you view it differently.
You state that your expectations are to make the Sweet 16. You also mock our AD (DimWhit) for the possibility of a raise and extension if Underwood both meets that expectation, and even wins and goes a round further. I thought you'd at least see how silly that is, how clear it is that the guy can't win with you - you're already, pre-emptively moving the goalposts because there's a chance he'd maybe meet your expectations. I was wrong, you're too far down the hUlKa!1! rabbit hole. My mistake.
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Nope, you've just completely lost any sense of objectivity here. You obviously don't like the guy. I've stated a number of times that I don't have particularly strong feelings about Underwood, other than that he took over a totally irrelevant program and has made us nationally relevant and a consistent tournament team - and I think it's silly to be so negative about a guy who's done that. If we go back to being a totally irrelevant program who maybe makes the tournament every other year, I'll be on board with moving on from him. That has not happened.
You state that your expectations are to make the Sweet 16. You also mock our AD (DimWhit) for the possibility of a raise and extension if Underwood both meets that expectation, and even wins and goes a round further. I thought you'd at least see how silly that is, how clear it is that the guy can't win with you - you're already, pre-emptively moving the goalposts because there's a chance he'd maybe meet your expectations. I was wrong, you're too far down the hUlKa!1! rabbit hole. My mistake.
+1
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Word his he’s ours if he does…
https://twitter.com/247hshoops/status/1644047201717604352?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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https://twitter.com/DPiper247/status/1644111274161078283?t=I533YRWLMQna8zpcDzA4-Q&s=19
Stolen from Alaska at Loyalty:
"Problem is that if BU were to yell 'Hey Domask', the entire team would think he was talking to them."
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Nope, you've just completely lost any sense of objectivity here. You obviously don't like the guy. I've stated a number of times that I don't have particularly strong feelings about Underwood, other than that he took over a totally irrelevant program and has made us nationally relevant and a consistent tournament team - and I think it's silly to be so negative about a guy who's done that. If we go back to being a totally irrelevant program who maybe makes the tournament every other year, I'll be on board with moving on from him. That has not happened. Would you be happier right now with Underwood if he hadn't hit the portal hard last year and we were just bad/rebuilding this season and not close to the tournament? That wouldn't have been preferable to me personally, but maybe you view it differently.
You state that your expectations are to make the Sweet 16. You also mock our AD (DimWhit) for the possibility of a raise and extension if Underwood both meets that expectation, and even wins and goes a round further. I thought you'd at least see how silly that is, how clear it is that the guy can't win with you - you're already, pre-emptively moving the goalposts because there's a chance he'd maybe meet your expectations. I was wrong, you're too far down the hUlKa!1! rabbit hole. My mistake.
Geez. Are you Ok?
I think you are going to stroke out perceiving malintent in everyone's posts here.
Take your hypervigilance against criticism of Underwood somewhere else. Maybe Loyalty is better fit for you to be honest.
FYI, I didn't even vote to fire him in the little poll here where he is not faring very well.
You talking about objectivity is ironic to say the least.
Yes, I think he has underperformed.
Everyone has a right to an opinion.
I hope he turns it around and I hope we bring in what we need in the coming weeks.
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Word his he’s ours if he does…
https://twitter.com/247hshoops/status/1644047201717604352?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Sean Livingston wearing a Frank Williams jersey before he announced was a dead giveaway he was coming to Illinois.
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Sean Livingston wearing a Frank Williams jersey before he announced was a dead giveaway he was coming to Illinois.
Shaun
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Shaun
Sí
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Speaking of Seans, my best friend was really good friends with Sean Elliott. My buddy’s ex-wife is best friends with Sean’s wife Claudia. I hung out with Sean a few times. Good dude. Had dinner at his house once. Had a par 3 in his back yard. I held The Wooden Award in my hands. Sean is a good dude. They don’t hang out anymore though. My buddy jokes that he “lost him in the divorce.”
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Sounds like Domask from SIU is visiting this weekend. Good player.
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Sounds like Domask from SIU is visiting this weekend. Good player.
Good player for a MVC team.
He's not athletic enough to play in the Big 10, and doesn't shoot well enough from 3 to make up for it. A stupid take for a guy that would be here only one season. You already have Goode/Rodgers/Hansberry in that SF role. Taking this guy makes no sense.
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https://twitter.com/DPiper247/status/1644111274161078283?t=I533YRWLMQna8zpcDzA4-Q&s=19
Stolen from Alaska at Loyalty:
"Problem is that if BU were to yell 'Hey Domask', the entire team would think he was talking to them."
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https://youtu.be/vyHLU3yLZTU
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How the fck Illinois boosters gave him the 7th highest salary in country out of 358 schools is mind boggling.
He is definitely at a crossroads in next two years. If we miss the tourney both years he is definitely gone.
If he makes it one of years and he takes his annual shit in NCAA's he could be gone on his own to graze in a lower level job in the Big Sky or WAC
where they probably will enjoy his antics.
Makes it both years and makes a S16 or EE the DimWhit will make boosters give him a $10 million contract.
Yeah. Unbelievable he's paid so much.
With the NIL money, he'll likely make the tourney the next two years. Just won't go far. He's just way too emotional for the big games.
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Yeah. Unbelievable he's paid so much.
With the NIL money, he'll likely make the tourney the next two years. Just won't go far. He's just way too emotional for the big games.
Isn't the problem that his teams look unprepared for the 2d tournament game?
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https://youtu.be/vyHLU3yLZTU
This is such a Domask move if this happens, we are seriously having our first campus visit come from a portal guy that could be a Tyler Griffey 2.0? This does not move the needle at all for next years team, optics are looking like the off season is gonna be filled with alot of head scratching????
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQPtKNZpfz4
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I'm thinking Nembhard to AZ. Then mystery PG to UI.
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Speaking of Seans, my best friend was really good friends with Sean Elliott. My buddy’s ex-wife is best friends with Sean’s wife Claudia. I hung out with Sean a few times. Good dude. Had dinner at his house once. Had a par 3 in his back yard. I held The Wooden Award in my hands. Sean is a good dude. They don’t hang out anymore though. My buddy jokes that he “lost him in the divorce.”
I hung out and got drunk with Shawn Marion a few times at Jerk in Chicago, nice dude, into weird rich people stuff lol
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I hung out and got drunk with Shawn Marion a few times at Jerk in Chicago, nice dude, into weird rich people stuff lol
I know his ex a teensy-weensy bit. Extremely attractive. Former Miss Michigan I believe. They have a son about 10 years old together.
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I hung out and got drunk with Shawn Marion a few times at Jerk in Chicago, nice dude, into weird rich people stuff lol
You reminded me of the time my buddy texted me that he was out to dinner with Sean, Tony Parker and Eva Longoria. “Hot as shit” I believe was the exact quote. Or I think I texted him asking what he was up to. Didn’t expect that response.
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I hung out and got drunk with Shawn Marion a few times at Jerk in Chicago, nice dude, into weird rich people stuff lol
I saw Shawn Marion play at Vincennes when he was in JUCO. That's the closest I've ever watched an NBA player up close in my life. He had the exact same athleticism as you see on TV, but never thought he'd make it with that push shot of his.
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I saw Shawn Marion play at Vincennes when he was in JUCO. That's the closest I've ever watched an NBA player up close in my life. He had the exact same athleticism as you see on TV, but never thought he'd make it with that push shot of his.
he has a super jacked up looking finger like its on sideways maybe that's why he shot it so weird
it was funny watching some ugly chicks trying to hit on him who didn't even know who he was, we had a good time
miss Jerk though for real their food is so damn good, nothing like that here
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a Tyler Griffey 2.0?
What is the similarity here beyond skin color?
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What is the similarity here beyond skin color?
Both tall.
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Caleb Love to Michigan.
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Apparently the "insiders" at Loyalty are being direct messaged and criticized. Oh, the horror of it all.
One of them (Indy something or other) just went off about how he talks to "hundreds of people" a day and gives out info for free and he and others like Breal do not have to.
The board now wants anyone who criticizes them reported and banned.
Supposedly the word is BU is being "very selective".
I remain confident we will bring in players and we will be competitive. I hope fitting and keeping it all together goes better this year.
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VerySelective is a tempting mult name.
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Apparently the "insiders" at Loyalty are being direct messaged and criticized. Oh, the horror of it all.
One of them (Indy something or other) just went off about how he talks to "hundreds of people" a day and gives out info for free and he and others like Breal do not have to.
The board now wants anyone who criticizes them reported and banned.
The Internet is very serious business.
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Caleb Love to Michigan.
They got Tray Jackson also...6'10"
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They got Tray Jackson also...6'10"
There ain’t gonna be enough balls to go around in Ann Arbor next year.
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Apparently the NCAA wants Congress to fix NIL. 🤣🤣
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Caleb Love to Michigan.
He can't shoot worth a fck. We would hate him.
He did take 36 shots in one game this year. ;D
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Apparently the "insiders" at Loyalty are being direct messaged and criticized. Oh, the horror of it all.
One of them (Indy something or other) just went off about how he talks to "hundreds of people" a day and gives out info for free and he and others like Breal do not have to.
The board now wants anyone who criticizes them reported and banned.
Supposedly the word is BU is being "very selective".
I remain confident we will bring in players and we will be competitive. I hope fitting and keeping it all together goes better this year.
That’s how it always is over there. Anyone questions the insiders and they throw a little hissy fit and everyone runs to their rescue. I don’t actually think Illini0440 is Breal. Just another guy who knows someone or pays for info and passes it along cryptically enough that it can’t be directly called out.
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In a shocking turn of events, Acewolf is in the portal.
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In a shocking turn of events, Acewolf is in the portal.
"NIL" is now legal. Time to test the market to see if he can get a better deal.
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In a shocking turn of events, Acewolf is in the portal.
Where is his mom steering him off to this time?
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Where is his mom steering him off to this time?
Highest bidder?
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Who the fuck is Keaton Kutcher?
https://twitter.com/keatonkutcher/status/1644465604026331141?s=46&t=05HrG8dHonbWgeb4jtVing
I’m guessing he registered here as DeliciousPussy.
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Who the fuck is Keaton Kutcher?
https://twitter.com/keatonkutcher/status/1644465604026331141?s=46&t=05HrG8dHonbWgeb4jtVing
I’m guessing he registered here as DeliciousPussy.
Ashton’s brother?
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Who the fuck is Keaton Kutcher?
https://twitter.com/keatonkutcher/status/1644465604026331141?s=46&t=05HrG8dHonbWgeb4jtVing
I’m guessing he registered here as DeliciousPussy.
Can’t say for sure, but according to a guy on Twitter he lit it up to the tune of 2.5 ppg at South Dakota.
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Who the fuck is Keaton Kutcher?
https://twitter.com/keatonkutcher/status/1644465604026331141?s=46&t=05HrG8dHonbWgeb4jtVing
I’m guessing he registered here as DeliciousPussy.
Connor Serven’s replacement. Huge get for us.
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Connor Serven’s replacement. Huge get for us.
Huge
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Isn't the problem that his teams look unprepared for the 2d tournament game?
That too and incapable of adjusting when it matters.
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That’s how it always is over there. Anyone questions the insiders and they throw a little hissy fit and everyone runs to their rescue. I don’t actually think Illini0440 is Breal. Just another guy who knows someone or pays for info and passes it along cryptically enough that it can’t be directly called out.
I suspect they're lifting info from the paid boards. Hence why they get so defensive.
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I assume he is not taking a scholarship.
(https://www.sports-reference.com/req/202302071/cbb/images/players/keaton-kutcher-1.jpg)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keaton-kutcher-1.html (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keaton-kutcher-1.html)
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He's a walk-on point guard.
Illini add South Dakota transfer Keaton Kutcher as walk-on
ByDEREK PIPER 58 minutes ago
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That’s how it always is over there. Anyone questions the insiders and they throw a little hissy fit and everyone runs to their rescue. I don’t actually think Illini0440 is Breal. Just another guy who knows someone or pays for info and passes it along cryptically enough that it can’t be directly called out.
BReal could show up here and deny it. 0440 "sounds like" BReal.
There are people who know people. I remember when I stumbled upon the scout freeboard IB. I'd share something I heard and get moderated because it was supposedly premium information. I didn't know even what that meant at first.
I signed up for O&B for a year, and I got equal to better information at periodic extended family gatherings.
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Who the fuck is Keaton Kutcher?
https://twitter.com/keatonkutcher/status/1644465604026331141?s=46&t=05HrG8dHonbWgeb4jtVing
I’m guessing he registered here as DeliciousPussy.
https://247sports.com/player/keaton-kutcher-46079668/
Second Go-Around looking at the kid by BU and staff
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KK Robinson is available from Arkansas, maybe 2nd go around with him?
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KK Robinson is available from Arkansas, maybe 2nd go around with him?
Looks like he rarely played. We need starter level PG. We have nobody right now.
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Probably mentioned and I missed it, but AJ Storr is out there.
Looks like an athletic player, had good year, can shoot, and is only a sophomore.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5105603/aj-storr (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5105603/aj-storr)
Have no idea if we have a chance, but he is Illinois kid.
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Probably mentioned and I missed it, but AJ Storr is out there.
Looks like an athletic player, had good year, can shoot, and is only a sophomore.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5105603/aj-storr (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5105603/aj-storr)
Have no idea if we have a chance, but he is Illinois kid.
He was an early one, so yes he has been mentioned. I don't see the use for this kid now though. 6'5" tweener. We still have Rodgers/Goode, he would be a mix between the two best case. I think we need to get a STUD PG if available (preferably a soph/Jr), then B1G help....would love some athletic 6'8 types or shooters to add to our mix. Walk ons ain't gonna cut it though.
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Looks like he rarely played. We need starter level PG. We have nobody right now.
I agree, but that team was loaded and he was formally recruited and we were very high on him....basket case? Who knows, but the longer we wait, the less likely we get quality and means Harris is our PG defacto as of now....or Moretti?
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I agree, but that team was loaded and he was formally recruited and we were very high on him....basket case? Who knows, but the longer we wait, the less likely we get quality and means Harris is our PG defacto as of now....or Moretti?
He has been there three years and has never played. Hard Pass.
And, yes, it would be great to get a stud like Cryer, but there are others who would work.
Neither Harris or Rodgers can shoot worth fuck and neither is a PG.
Both are 7/8 ish guys in a decent rotation.
I am pretty sure that staff know this.
Storrs is a wing who can actually shoot. What a novel concept. And he is way more athletic than Goode who is also not really a starter level guy yet.
He would take RJ's starting spot even if TJS and Hawkins return.
There is time. If we have no added players or returnees in June you can start worrying.
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He has been there three years and has never played. Hard Pass.
And, yes, it would be great to get a stud like Cryer, but there are others who would work.
Neither Harris or Rodgers can shoot worth fuck and neither is a PG.
Both are 7/8 ish guys in a decent rotation.
I am pretty sure that staff know this.
Storrs is a wing who can actually shoot. What a novel concept. And he is way more athletic than Goode who is also not really a starter level guy yet.
He would take RJ's starting spot even if TJS and Hawkins return.
There is time. If we have no added players or returnees in June you can start worrying.
I agree at this point the options could be and quite possibly are worse than Storrs on this team.
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Tentative take subject to further review:
Domask is not long and Is not a run and jump athlete. He is strong, has good ball skills.
Won't block shots or jump passing lanes, but fights over screens and plays smart off ball defense.
Uses strength to hold position and rebound.
Will not beat opponents one on one, but is always where he's supposed to be on offense. Makes open threes and free throws. Ok handles, good passer. Good post moves.
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Never have heard of him or seen him.
His stats look like he could contribute.
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So what are the individual odds on Shannon and Hawkins being back?
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42.0%
And
69%
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42.0%
And
69%
Hahaha 69…
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So what are the individual odds on Shannon and Hawkins being back?
Shannon- 0%
Hawkins- 40%
Storr isn’t coming to Illinois. He already decommitted once when Chin Coleman left. He has no interest in playing for Underwood
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Shannon- 0%
Hawkins- 40%
Storr isn’t coming to Illinois. He already decommitted once when Chin Coleman left. He has no interest in playing for Underwood
So Shannon guaranteed to return per the Inverse Squeaky and Hawkins' return 60%.
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So Shannon guaranteed to return per the Inverse Squeaky and Hawkins' return 60%.
And it looks like we are leading for Storr.
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So, does Ace have to sit out a year because this is his 2nd trip to the portal?
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I think that is the way it works, but he might be able to apply retroactively for the Underwood Yelling Hardship exception that Smith got.
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So, does Ace have to sit out a year because this is his 2nd trip to the portal?
He may be eligible to apply for the only ineligible for 3-5 games exception.
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I think that is the way it works, but he might be able to apply retroactively for the Underwood Yelling Hardship exception that Smith got.
Nice
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Epps to Georgetown
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Epps to Georgetown
Shocking!
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THIS IS HOW BORING OUR OFF SEASON HAS BEEN SO FAR: :-\ !!!!!!
It's portal season, no move is a shock
How many more today will walk,
Coach can huff and puff with the best of them,
But he can't get no one to stay...
Our NIL is one of the best and still it's not enough pay...
Our bench is getting cold as we are down to six,
We need some warm bodies
To try and get this mess fixed.
Coach is the in the Top 10
He is definately gettin paid,
Yet still our players all want to leave, no one wants to stay...
We need a PG, maybe even Two,
We need bodies to practice,
Hell maybe that's me or you?
Coach can practices X and O's
But only if he can sign a few,
No 5*'s coming here, only walkon's and DII's
The off season is a mess so far,
Our players have all chosen to leave...
Our best two options are the same two
that ain't coming back, the two wait and see's
Coach is looking, the Asst too...
Our beloved Illini have sunk again
Let's get some players, let's get some skill,
Lets get something positive and not another day of buzzkill....
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Wow! Is right! Well done!
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And it looks like we are leading for Storr.
Why would he visit Wisconsin first if he was even interested in Illinois?
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Why would he visit Wisconsin first if he was even interested in Illinois?
Drive up the price, fool.
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Next Year's Starting Five ?
PG Tyger Campbell
SG Terrance Shannon Jr.
SG/SF Luke Goode
PF Coleman Hawkins
C Dain Dainja
https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/attachments/screensho-3-jpg.24922/
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The dumbass is officially on board
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The dumbass is officially on board
Which dumbass are we discussing?? LOL
I have seen the Campbell posts on Loyalty for several days. I cannot see how the kid would leave UCLA to come to a rebuilding team with shit weather in the middle of nowhere to get the absolute fck beat out of him
in a tractor pull league with the worst officials in country.
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Which dumbass are we discussing?? LOL
This one
https://twitter.com/marcusdomask1/status/1645453906510528517
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Committed…
https://twitter.com/marcusdomask1/status/1645453906510528517?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Why would he visit Wisconsin first if he was even interested in Illinois?
/s
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And it looks like we are leading for Storr.
This wasn’t sarcasm. You ran your mouth because you read some dumbass on IL Loyalty that knows nothing about recruiting claim Illinois was leading for Storr.
Stop reading IL Loyalty.
They’ve clung on to Tyger Campbell bc literally every single other difference making guard has went somewhere else. I’ll give you a hint. Tyger Campbell would never play a 6th year of college basketball for Illinois. And Terrence Shannon is going to the league
Be happy with MVC jags. We’re back in the Sam Maniscalco days. Enjoy it
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This wasn’t sarcasm. You ran your mouth because you read some dumbass on IL Loyalty that knows nothing about recruiting claim Illinois was leading for Storr.
No. Loyalty insiders say Storr is unlikely for UI. You missed the point. I responded to a post about the inverse Squeaky factor. If you think we have no chance; then we must be leading..
So Shannon guaranteed to return per the Inverse Squeaky and Hawkins' return 60%.
"And it looks like we are leading for Storr."
The latest from loyalty is a Storr is a plan C.
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Which dumbass are we discussing?? LOL
I have seen the Campbell posts on Loyalty for several days. I cannot see how the kid would leave UCLA to come to a rebuilding team with shit weather in the middle of nowhere to get the absolute fck beat out of him
in a tractor pull league with the worst officials in country.
Some of our fans are completely delusional
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Committed…
https://twitter.com/marcusdomask1/status/1645453906510528517?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I looked at part of a full game video and waded through what others had to say about him. We got a skilled, disciplined, fundamentally sound basketball player. He'll do what the coaches ask him to do, without sulking or pouting.
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Calling my shot.
Domask will be to Underwood, what Maniscalco was to Weber.
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Some of our fans are completely delusional
It’s standard procedure on loyalty.
Cling to the biggest names, claim they are committing, then when they don’t, claim recruiting is fluid and cling on to the next name. None of those idiots know anything.
I’m pretty sure LVille is a guy that used to post as BrooksTaylorFan. He’s an absolute idiot. He makes Reese Woodcock look smart.
And now I see dumbasses comparing Domask to Andrew Funk. For one, Funk shot over 7 threes a game for Bucknell. Domask has never been a gunner. And Funk had Shrewsbury scheming shots for him. Domask is gonna play for a roll the ball out run nothing coach with no PG.
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Shannon- 0%
Hawkins- 40%
Storr isn’t coming to Illinois. He already decommitted once when Chin Coleman left. He has no interest in playing for Underwood
Shannon's odds have gone up since the last time you said they were 0%. Keep it up.
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Calling my shot.
Domask will be to Underwood, what Maniscalco was to Weber.
Well if a dude who's wrong about literally everything doesn't like him, he's probably a solid get.
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Calling my shot.
Domask will be to Underwood, what Maniscalco was to Weber.
Underwood just got his Thomas Walkup 2.0
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I looked at part of a full game video and waded through what others had to say about him. We got a skilled, disciplined, fundamentally sound basketball player. He'll do what the coaches ask him to do, without sulking or pouting.
^^^^^ this
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Shannon's odds have gone up since the last time you said they were 0%. Keep it up.
0% is 0%. He's never coming back.
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Well if a dude who's wrong about literally everything doesn't like him, he's probably a solid get.
I'm right about 95% of things Illini related.
You are a John Groce fan.
You love mediocrity.
You will love this team, because it's a mediocre program.
I remember how bad Sammy Maniscalco got shit on by fans because they hated Weber. Trust me, Domask will get the same hate bc people will be ready to fire Underwood by December. And mediocre white players from the MVC get shit on, especially when they play in front of young players.
Again, I am the only insider here. No one else.
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Calling my shot.
Domask will be to Underwood, what Maniscalco was to Weber.
Good grief. Maniscalco was a tough PG playing on one leg.
Domask is a strong, non-athletic wing with good to excellent ball skills. He'll fit in with Rodgers, Goode, Harris, and another add.
Your player comparisons come from left field sometimes, such as Dainja and Pruitt.
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0% is 0%. He's never coming back.
You can pretend to know all you want. If it weren't for stating as fact things you have zero knowledge of whatsoever you wouldn't have anything to post.
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"I'm the only insider here, I'm right about everything, PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME" says the guy who hasn't been right about anything in recent memory.
Yes, yes, I know, in all of those situations if we just PRETEND you were right. I know.
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Good grief. Maniscalco was a tough PG playing on one leg.
Domask is a strong, non-athletic wing with good to excellent ball skills. He'll fit in with Rodgers, Goode, Harris, and another add.
Your player comparisons come from left field sometimes, such as Dainja and Pruitt.
They don't come from left field at all, he just doesn't know a damn thing about basketball so his comparisons are based exclusively on race, height, and former school.
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They don't come from left field at all, he just doesn't know a damn thing about basketball so his comparisons are based exclusively on race, height, and former school.
He is a sick pedophile who without question has never been laid.
Anybody with such hatred toward gays and adult women is seriously fcked up and insecure.
He knows nothing about basketball. And he is a juvenile level troll.
Not sure why Custard allows this piece of shit to exist here.
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Nice looking player. Will help.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-Fighting-Illini-basketball-transfer-Marcus-Domask-commits-to-Illini-208092847/ (https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-Fighting-Illini-basketball-transfer-Marcus-Domask-commits-to-Illini-208092847/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyHLU3yLZTU&t=227s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyHLU3yLZTU&t=227s)
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Bringing in a 5th year senior to start over freshmen and sophomores is a great way to run them off, as if the constant bitching from Underwood wasn't enough.
I remember when Damonte Williams, as a 5th year senior, played 28 minutes a game. Ran off an NBA player in Podz who didn't play.
Bringing in 1 year guys as bench players is fine. Having them start, which Underwood will, is a recipe for further destruction of the program.
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The anti-correct has spoken, so expecting big things out of the SIU kid.
I didn't really have any thoughts on him previously, and obviously you're probably going to be right about SOMETHING again at some point in the future (maybe, although it hasn't happened yet).. but seems like a good bet.
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The anti-correct has spoken, so expecting big things out of the SIU kid.
I didn't really have any thoughts on him previously, and obviously you're probably going to be right about SOMETHING again at some point in the future (maybe, although it hasn't happened yet).. but seems like a good bet.
really?
Lets review:
I SAID....Skyy Clark would SUCK.
I SAID....Epps would be pretty good.
I SAID...Mayer would be a me first ballhog.
I SAID...Rodgers wasn't a high D1 player.
I SAID...KOFI was declaring for the draft.
Take it to the fucking bank.
Again, I'm the only insider here.
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Note on Shannon. He declared for the draft in 2021, but did not in 2022, and has not this spring.
Sources close to unnamed sources tell my sources he will return to UI unless an NBA team is dangling guaranteed money. He might be back channeling for now rather than declaring and going through the process. Or not.
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really?
Lets review:
I SAID....Skyy Clark would SUCK.
I SAID....Epps would be pretty good.
I SAID...Mayer would be a me first ballhog.
I SAID...Rodgers wasn't a high D1 player.
I SAID...KOFI was declaring for the draft.
Take it to the fucking bank.
Again, I'm the only insider here.
You do make great videos in your bathroom. You do have that going for you.
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really?
Lets review:
I SAID....Skyy Clark would SUCK.
I SAID....Epps would be pretty good.
I SAID...Mayer would be a me first ballhog.
I SAID...Rodgers wasn't a high D1 player.
I SAID...KOFI was declaring for the draft.
Take it to the fucking bank.
Again, I'm the only insider here.
Half of those things were wrong, and the Kofi thing you said in a year he came back and played for Illinois. You did the same thing you're doing right now for Shannon, in fact, and then he came back and was a consensus first team All American. Whoops!
But I know, I know, just PRETEND. The bank, I assume, is as much a fantasy as the rest of your sad beta life?
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I think it should be a requirement that all posters have to do a monthly video from their bathroom. Would really add some wonderment to this forum.
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Overnight, this would become the most entertaining message board in all of college sports.
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really?
Lets review:
I SAID....Skyy Clark would SUCK.
I SAID....Epps would be pretty good.
I SAID...Mayer would be a me first ballhog.
I SAID...Rodgers wasn't a high D1 player.
I SAID...KOFI was declaring for the draft.
Take it to the fucking bank.
Again, I'm the only insider here.
I bet you still have $$$ in the bank because you have checks in your book also right?????? !!!!!!
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really?
Lets review:
I SAID....Skyy Clark would SUCK.
I SAID....Epps would be pretty good.
I SAID...Mayer would be a me first ballhog.
I SAID...Rodgers wasn't a high D1 player.
I SAID...KOFI was declaring for the draft.
Take it to the fucking bank.
Again, I'm the only insider here.
*The jury is out on Clark. He wasn't spectacular, but the numbers were not bad for a top 50 freshman playing point guard in the Big Ten. More a case of excessive expectations.
*Epps did some good things. Predicting that did not require great insight.
*Mayer was also our best player at times. Generously, he tried to carry the team in a vacuum of leadership.Youngsters call it hero ball.
*You said Rodgers was not a D-1 player. He has high level D-1 defensive, rebounding, ball handling, and passing skills. His mid-range game is not bad, and he can finish in the paint. He is an NBA level athlete.
*Predicting Kofi would declare eventually was 50/50.
"You compared Dainja with Pruitt and also said Dainja is too old to develop
*You suggested Harris might be an NBA player, but he is older than Dainja, less skilled than Rodgers
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Ronald Polite III wouldn't be a bad pickup....from Maryland area originally...Chester where ya at?
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Ronald Polite III wouldn't be a bad pickup....from Maryland area originally...Chester where ya at?
We could do worse. Certainly better than anyone we have as a PG. Would be a Plan C guy is my guess.
Have not seen him and not sure how well he can execute a PnR which we have totally sucked at for years.
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really?
Lets review:
I SAID....Skyy Clark would SUCK.
I SAID....Epps would be pretty good.
I SAID...Mayer would be a me first ballhog.
I SAID...Rodgers wasn't a high D1 player.
I SAID...KOFI was declaring for the draft.
Take it to the fucking bank.
Again, I'm the only insider here.
Also, the only person here making under $40k annually and living in a dorm.
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We could do worse. Certainly better than anyone we have as a PG. Would be a Plan C guy is my guess.
Have not seen him and not sure how well he can execute a PnR which we have totally sucked at for years.
Yes and by rank on who is available, he is one of the bigger PG...we have went the other route and only Frazier really panned out to my memory (trent) that is.
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He can dunk too
https://youtu.be/KA0VRRO-dRY
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Yes and by rank on who is available, he is one of the bigger PG...we have went the other route and only Frazier really panned out to my memory (trent) that is.
We have had two guys that resembled a PG since DMac and that was Feliz who was just a baller who knew how to make the right BB plays, and Curbello who was fckign nuts half of the time.
Neither Ayo or Frazier were natural PG's or had that vision or BB IQ. Throwing it to Kofi on the block did not make one a PG as we found out in the Loyola game where we were completely abused by a simple hard hedge.
Not sure about this Polite kid, but you have to run pro offense sets now to create 3ball shots and driving lanes for the wings, and you need a true PG that can penetrate and kick, and run a pick and roll for the bigs to make that happen.
We had nobody this past year.
I am sure they will see where the Italian kid is at, and we need an experienced guy to come in.
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*The jury is out on Clark. He wasn't spectacular, but the numbers were not bad for a top 50 freshman playing point guard in the Big Ten. More a case of excessive expectations.
*Epps did some good things. Predicting that did not require great insight.
*Mayer was also our best player at times. Generously, he tried to carry the team in a vacuum of leadership.Youngsters call it hero ball.
*You said Rodgers was not a D-1 player. He has high level D-1 defensive, rebounding, ball handling, and passing skills. His mid-range game is not bad, and he can finish in the paint. He is an NBA level athlete.
*Predicting Kofi would declare eventually was 50/50.
"You compared Dainja with Pruitt and also said Dainja is too old to develop
*You suggested Harris might be an NBA player, but he is older than Dainja, less skilled than Rodgers
Thanks for trying to make that Dumbassinic see the light but that mofo is blind and stupid as they come.
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Harmon committed
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-Fighting-Illini-basketball-Justin-Harmon-commit-Utah-Valley-transfer-207997070/
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We could do worse. Certainly better than anyone we have as a PG. Would be a Plan C guy is my guess.
Have not seen him and not sure how well he can execute a PnR which we have totally sucked at for years.
We have an incoming freshman pg as well, looks like a baller, who knows lol
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Harmon committed
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-Fighting-Illini-basketball-Justin-Harmon-commit-Utah-Valley-transfer-207997070/
I didn't initially care for this one, mostly due to it being the first of the off season spoken about....that leaves little to like. On second thought though I do like both these pieces and I believe it is a sign that the staff really may think both Hawk/TSJ are returning. Harmon is a big off-guard, that is something to like and Domask will be a very pluggable piece regardless if one or both return. If they both returnk, I think Harmon and Domask collectively will have better returns than Mayer as far as consistancy and also fit among the team structure.
That said, BU better land a solid PG now, and the freshman have a year to grow up quickly.
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Lol mid-major players. Brad is building a program that Minnesota would be proud of.
“Since nobody great wants to play at Illinois, it must mean Shannon is coming back”
😂
The logic that people use to try to twist themselves into thinking this is a good thing.
Here’s real logic:
Nobody good wants to play for Underwood. That’s why he’s had more talent transfer out than in. That leaves 5th year guys wanting to play a level up for one year with connections to IL. Domask played at SIU. Harmon at Chicago Curie.
These are only good developments if you want Underwood fired.
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Javon Small is from Indy and Frazier was at VT when they offered him there....maybe something to track?
Rowan Brumbaugh was offered by VT, I believe before CF left for ILLINI.
KK Robinson
Joe Bamisile
Couple other's of name or size that may be lead guard for us....The staff seems to be willing to get seniors only this year for experience. It makes the most sense as Rodgers/Goode/Harris/Rodgers can all get experience and be ready to lead next year without upper's to man the wheel.
Morez Johnson comes on board 2024. We also have a ton of offers out there for what will probably amount to at least another 4-5 either HS/X-fer's in 2024 as well./
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Lol mid-major players. Brad is building a program that Minnesota would be proud of.
“Since nobody great wants to play at Illinois, it must mean Shannon is coming back”
😂
The logic that people use to try to twist themselves into thinking this is a good thing.
Here’s real logic:
Nobody good wants to play for Underwood. That’s why he’s had more talent transfer out than in. That leaves 5th year guys wanting to play a level up for one year with connections to IL. Domask played at SIU. Harmon at Chicago Curie.
These are only good developments if you want Underwood fired.
Sometimes there is addition by subtraction....I could think of one right now as a matter of fact... ;D
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I didn't initially care for this one, mostly due to it being the first of the off season spoken about....that leaves little to like. On second thought though I do like both these pieces and I believe it is a sign that the staff really may think both Hawk/TSJ are returning. Harmon is a big off-guard, that is something to like and Domask will be a very pluggable piece regardless if one or both return. If they both returnk, I think Harmon and Domask collectively will have better returns than Mayer as far as consistancy and also fit among the team structure.
That said, BU better land a solid PG now, and the freshman have a year to grow up quickly.
Repeat after me:
Shannon is not coming back.
Now let’s think. Maybe Domask/Harmon can replace Mayer. Ok, let’s roll with that. You’ve replaced Mayer.
Melendez, Shannon, Epps. You take those guys off a bad team, it’s gonna be even worse the next year. Far worse. Even if Hawkins comes back
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Half of those things were wrong, and the Kofi thing you said in a year he came back and played for Illinois. You did the same thing you're doing right now for Shannon, in fact, and then he came back and was a consensus first team All American. Whoops!
But I know, I know, just PRETEND. The bank, I assume, is as much a fantasy as the rest of your sad beta life?
Better read again. I said Kofi was leaving last year when the same idiots like you saying Shannon was coming back were also doing the same thing with Kofi.
I believe it’s a 10 page thread on this site.
Again, I’m not gonna correct all your errors. But this one is just plain dumb when the thread I made is on the front page
April 18 2022
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,584.0.html
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Repeat after me:
Shannon is not coming back.
Now let’s think. Maybe Domask/Harmon can replace Mayer. Ok, let’s roll with that. You’ve replaced Mayer.
Melendez, Shannon, Epps. You take those guys off a bad team, it’s gonna be even worse the next year. Far worse. Even if Hawkins comes back
Better go check the transfer portal or better yet - by ranking (and yes rankings aren't everything, BUT)
Epps (69) Domask (81) Clark (93) Harmon (106) RJ (111) those numbers are not far off. If we consider #81 and #106 take care of those 2 then by subtraction we are still better off without Mayer/RJ (could be argued) as one or both were distractions. I believe now that we have some holes filled, we may very well end up with some bigger names yet.
Roughly 30 days or so still for NCAA and 45 or more for the likes of Hawk and TSJ. IF and it is a big IF, TSJ does not get guarnateed $$ from NBA, he will be back and get ALOT of NIL $$$ thrown his way next year, Hawk as well, difference is Hawk will be told maturity is the issue, and it is.
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Rowan Brumbaugh to G-Town with Epps?
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Domask/Harmon are taking the roster spots of Mayer/Melendez
IMO, that’s a downgrade. Especially given what Melendez could develop into. I don’t think the roster is improved there. And it’s 2 more guys that will be here exactly 1 season.
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Ugh is it November yet
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Illinois is 41st in T-rank with the additions of Domask and Harmon. They were 52nd prior to the additions. These 2 transfers are essentially the Mayer and Epps replacements.
https://barttorvik.com/rosters24.php?team=Illinois&year=2023
One of the few legit Loyalty insiders, Illini0440, is predicting both Shannon and Hawkins return. I'd be very surprised if Shannoj returns, but if this happens, this would be a top 25 team, with a couple roster spots open for a big and a pg
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Better read again. I said Kofi was leaving last year when the same idiots like you saying Shannon was coming back were also doing the same thing with Kofi.
I believe it’s a 10 page thread on this site.
Again, I’m not gonna correct all your errors. But this one is just plain dumb when the thread I made is on the front page
April 18 2022
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,584.0.html
Tell us again how Illinois would win 14 games and then 17 games, and lose their first game in the NIT.
Then go back and clean up the puke from your car.
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Illinois is 41st in T-rank with the additions of Domask and Harmon. They were 52nd prior to the additions. These 2 transfers are essentially the Mayer and Epps replacements.
https://barttorvik.com/rosters24.php?team=Illinois&year=2023
One of the few legit Loyalty insiders, Illini0440, is predicting both Shannon and Hawkins return. I'd be very surprised if Shannoj returns, but if this happens, this would be a top 25 team, with a couple roster spots open for a big and a pg
Breal, if that is who Illini0440 is, claims they are working out with team daily and do not look a lot like they are going anywhere. He has a friend in the AD office which was always his inside source.
I don't think anyone knows what is going on.
I think Domask starts no matter what.
Harmon may be a depth guy which can't hurt.
Glad we have them. We need a starting PG and a Big.
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Breal, if that is who Illini0440 is, claims they are working out with team daily and do not look a lot like they are going anywhere. He has a friend in the AD office which was always his inside source.
I don't think anyone knows what is going on.
I think Domask starts no matter what.
Harmon may be a depth guy which can't hurt.
Glad we have them. We need a starting PG and a Big.
😂 you people are dumb as shit.
Where else is Shannon going to work out?
It’s time for another bet. You believe these idiots. Alright, time to take out the trash.
I will bet you Shannon is not on the 2023-24 Illini. Period. If he’s not, you never post again here. Ever.
If he is, I won’t.
Bet?
You think these people have a clue. Prove it. I’m the only insider here. And I’m putting my name on this
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Are you guys saving your 2023 portal posts for the 2024 portal thread when we will be replacing Epps and Mayer's 1 year replacements ?
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Illinois is 41st in T-rank with the additions of Domask and Harmon. They were 52nd prior to the additions. These 2 transfers are essentially the Mayer and Epps replacements.
https://barttorvik.com/rosters24.php?team=Illinois&year=2023
One of the few legit Loyalty insiders, Illini0440, is predicting both Shannon and Hawkins return. I'd be very surprised if Shannoj returns, but if this happens, this would be a top 25 team, with a couple roster spots open for a big and a pg
That’s the dumbest projection I’ve ever seen.
First, Illinois finished 52 in Torvick in 2023.
So you are telling me removing Shannon, Mayer, Epps, Melendez, and replacing them with Harmon, Domask, Gibbs, and Hansberry. And you improve 11 spots?
Oh yeah, I was wondering how is that even possible? Well they got Domask averaging 14 PPG. Not happening. Dainja 16 PPG. No.
Preposterous projections.
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😂 you people are dumb as shit.
Where else is Shannon going to work out?
It’s time for another bet. You believe these idiots. Alright, time to take out the trash.
I will bet you Shannon is not on the 2023-24 Illini. Period. If he’s not, you never post again here. Ever.
If he is, I won’t.
Bet?
You think these people have a clue. Prove it. I’m the only insider here. And I’m putting my name on this
I think you should go get the trash and piss and puke out of your car from last night. Maybe you get lucky and somebody left a half eaten burrito on the floor for you to eat.
Or maybe they left some candy to try and handout on the playground.
Run along now you piece of shit.
WAIT- How did Illinois do in the NIT? Please tell us you fucking moron.
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I think you should go get the trash and piss and puke out of your car from last night. Maybe you get lucky and somebody left a half eaten burrito on the floor for you to eat.
Or maybe they left some candy to try and handout on the playground.
Run along now you piece of shit.
WAIT- How did Illinois do in the NIT? Please tell us you fucking moron.
Figures. You run your mouth. But you don’t take it up. Alright I’ll just make a post about it
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Figures. You run your mouth. But you don’t take it up. Alright I’ll just make a post about it
I stated nobody knows what is going on. Learn how to read you fckign moron.
Now answer my question you little bitch. We are waiting.
How did Illinois do in the NIT? Please tell us you fucking moron.
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Torvick has a history of vastly overrating Underwood and transfers.
For example, he had IL at 14 preseason. They finished 50th.
They finished 2022 at #20, lose Kofi, and he has them #14 the next season. Ridiculous
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If you think Dom is willing to openly answer a question that shows how wrong he was about a thing he already claimed victory on, you've never met this fucking moron.
He has the emotional maturity of the 15 year old kids he tries to fuck. He's not going to suddenly grow up.
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If you think Dom is willing to openly answer a question that shows how wrong he was about a thing he already claimed victory on, you've never met this fucking moron.
He has the emotional maturity of the 15 year old kids he tries to fuck. He's not going to suddenly grow up.
I had IL at 14-18 before Terence Shannon committed. Shannon was worth 3 additional wins. I upgraded my projection to 17 wins. An accurate estimate given a normally distributed Big 10 schedule.
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As long as you just PRETEND, it was an accurate assessment!
Just pretend I was right and I was, guys! Please?!
It's totally okay to have been wrong like you were. Lord knows everyone here's been wrong at some point (although none as consistently as you - congrats on that).
What's the beta bullshit is being so insecure that you can't even admit that you were wrong. My 5th grade niece holds herself more accountable than you do - that ain't good, pal.
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I had IL at 14-18 before Terence Shannon committed. Shannon was worth 3 additional wins. I upgraded my projection to 17 wins. An accurate estimate given a normally distributed Big 10 schedule.
We all want to know how Illinois did in the NIT??
Just answer the question bitch.
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I had IL at 14-18 before Terence Shannon committed. Shannon was worth 3 additional wins. I upgraded my projection to 17 wins. An accurate estimate given a normally distributed Big 10 schedule.
Except it was actually inaccurate.
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That’s the dumbest projection I’ve ever seen.
First, Illinois finished 52 in Torvick in 2023.
So you are telling me removing Shannon, Mayer, Epps, Melendez, and replacing them with Harmon, Domask, Gibbs, and Hansberry. And you improve 11 spots?
Oh yeah, I was wondering how is that even possible? Well they got Domask averaging 14 PPG. Not happening. Dainja 16 PPG. No.
Preposterous projections.
T-rank projected the 2022-23 team as an NCAA tourney.
Squeaky-rank, aka retard-rank, projected 17 wins and no NCAA tourney.
Will trust t-rank over retard rank.
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T-rank projected the 2022-23 team as an NCAA tourney.
Squeaky-rank, aka retard-rank, projected 17 wins and no NCAA tourney.
Will trust t-rank over retard rank.
T-Rank projected IL would be 14 last year. I predicted they would suck.
I was right.
They were wrong as usual.
Preseason 14
Final rank 50
Everyone with common sense knew that without Kofi, the team would be significantly worse.
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The loss of Frazier and Williams had no effect at all.
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How does Kenpom 35, Sagarin 30, NCAA 9 seed, tied for 5th in the B1G translate to "final rank 50"?
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T-Rank projected IL would be 14 last year. I predicted they would suck.
I was right.
They were wrong as usual.
Preseason 14
Final rank 50
Everyone with common sense knew that without Kofi, the team would be significantly worse.
I thought they predicted mid-20's.
LOL that a guy who predicted them missing the NIT, thinks he was right.
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Squeaky's head may explode if this happens.
https://twitter.com/itsAntWright/status/1645838527928598563?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Squeaky's head may explode if this happens.
https://twitter.com/itsAntWright/status/1645838527928598563?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
I'd give it about a 10% chance of happening
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I thought they predicted mid-20's.
LOL that a guy who predicted them missing the NIT, thinks he was right.
Nope. 14th.
https://barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Illinois&year=2023
You can see the ranking as the schedule changes. 1st game was 14. Got as high as 11. Last game was 46. Final ranking on the site today was 50
14 to 50.
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I'd give it about a 10% chance of happening
Not counting on that one at all. Or anybody staying or coming.
Hard to say who they end up with at lead guard but I can assume we will not be starting Harris or Rodgers there.
I am sure they are looking at a lot of guys.
Another name being mentioned is RayJ Dennis. Maybe only because he is out there.
Again, nobody really knows if we are even in contact.
It's all just message board talk.
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Not counting on that one at all. Or anybody staying or coming.
Hard to say who they end up with at lead guard but I can assume we will not be starting Harris or Rodgers there.
I am sure they are looking at a lot of guys.
Another name being mentioned is RayJ Dennis. Maybe only because he is out there.
Again, nobody really knows if we are even in contact.
It's all just message board talk.
Campbell was recruited to DePaul by Tim Anderson.
Can't see why he'd want to leave UCLA for Illinois though.
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How does Kenpom 35, Sagarin 30, NCAA 9 seed, tied for 5th in the B1G translate to "final rank 50"?
Just pretend with him.
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Squeaky's head may explode if this happens.
https://twitter.com/itsAntWright/status/1645838527928598563?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
This has been going around for a few days. I’m skeptical but it’s supposedly coming from UCLA people, which surprises me.
Until something actually happens I’m currently considering it “too good to be true”.
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Campbell was recruited to DePaul by Tim Anderson.
Can't see why he'd want to leave UCLA for Illinois though.
His best teammate left, UCLA will be in a bit a rebuild, he’s from the Midwest. Not saying I buy that this is going to happen, but there are real reasons for him to leave UCLA for the Midwest I think.
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His best teammate left, UCLA will be in a bit a rebuild, he’s from the Midwest. Not saying I buy that this is going to happen, but there are real reasons for him to leave UCLA for the Midwest I think.
Yeah he’s just going thru the Portsmouth pro camp bc his head is all in on transferring to Illinois
You people are dumb.
The reason you are clinging to these 2 pipe dreams (Shannon coming back, and Campbell coming to Illinois) is bc all the other difference making players are gone.
Quicker you accept IL is gonna suck, nobody good wants to play for IL which is why you take dregs like Harmon is one step closer to reality.
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Literally zero people in the entire world give a fuck about what you think about this, Dom. The grown ups are talking.
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Yeah he’s just going thru the Portsmouth pro camp bc his head is all in on transferring to Illinois
You people are dumb.
The reason you are clinging to these 2 pipe dreams (Shannon coming back, and Campbell coming to Illinois) is bc all the other difference making players are gone.
Quicker you accept IL is gonna suck, nobody good wants to play for IL which is why you take dregs like Harmon is one step closer to reality.
Still waiting for the NIT results you little pathetic bitch.
Time for you to STFU.
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His best teammate left, UCLA will be in a bit a rebuild, he’s from the Midwest. Not saying I buy that this is going to happen, but there are real reasons for him to leave UCLA for the Midwest I think.
Notre Dame?
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His best teammate left, UCLA will be in a bit a rebuild, he’s from the Midwest. Not saying I buy that this is going to happen, but there are real reasons for him to leave UCLA for the Midwest I think.
He is from Cedar Rapids. Not sure if his family still lives there.
Who knows. He is not likely an NBA player so makes sense he might go somewhere for a big NIL payday before
going overseas if he keeps playing.
I am not even sure he has officially announced he is in the portal.
I am sure we will bring in an experienced serviceable true PG from somewhere.
This thing Illinois has been doing to have combo guards try and run point has been a program weakness for years.
There is no thing such as positionless BB when it comes to a PG and a Post.
You need someone who has grown up seeing and understanding the floor.
I wish we would have looked closer at the Harding kid from Moline as a 4 year player.
He might be really mid major, but he is a natural PG, great vision, and can shoot.
Saw him several times this year. Might just work out at Iowa as a contributor.
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He is from Cedar Rapids. Not sure if his family still lives there.
Who knows. He is not likely an NBA player so makes sense he might go somewhere for a big NIL payday before
going overseas if he keeps playing.
I am not even sure he has officially announced he is in the portal.
I am sure we will bring in an experienced serviceable true PG from somewhere.
This thing Illinois has been doing to have combo guards try and run point has been a program weakness for years.
There is no thing such as positionless BB when it comes to a PG and a Post.
You need someone who has grown up seeing and understanding the floor.
I wish we would have looked closer at the Harding kid from Moline as a 4 year player.
He might be really mid major, but he is a natural PG, great vision, and can shoot.
Saw him several times this year. Might just work out at Iowa as a contributor.
Tyger hasn’t entered the portal. He’s doing the Portsmouth stuff.
What most people mean when they say “pure point guard” is “he’s not a scorer”. That’s the last thing we need. Combo guards are the answer, they just have to actually have the skills of both guard spots - not just be a guard who handles the ball because he’s the guy we’ve got.
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Tyger hasn’t entered the portal. He’s doing the Portsmouth stuff.
What most people mean when they say “pure point guard” is “he’s not a scorer”. That’s the last thing we need. Combo guards are the answer, they just have to actually have the skills of both guard spots - not just be a guard who handles the ball because he’s the guy we’ve got.
Agree we do not want a Lead Guard/PG that is not a threat to score. They have to be able to score when the opportunity is there.
Guys that say they are "combo" guards were/are usually primarily scorers and usually do not have good enough PG skills.
This has killed us for years. Ayo didn't. Trent didn't. Skyy didn't. Epps didn't. DJ didn't. Paul didn't.
Ray Rice really didn't but was better. Abrams didn't.
I forget all of the combo guards we have patched over this role with.
Curbelo had the skills, but was a head case and could not shoot the three at all which is needed.
They are hard to find.
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TSJ has announced he will enter the NBA draft.
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He's still retaining eligibility, however. So, he can withdraw.
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I really like TSJ. He played hard every game and took a fcking beating every night.
I hope he gets feedback that he will get taken in 2nd round and get a contract.
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According to BU, wanted some experience and leadership...Hence Domask/Harmon. Will be looking for interior/athleticism/lead guard now with a chance of Hawk/TSJ coming back as well. BU is in no hurry to fill the other slots-expect a splash if a great player is available. Otherwise I would expect very good, above average who can keep into the following year/s, for consistancy after Hawk/TSJ/Domask/Harmon are all gone.
Players in Portal I wouldn't mind now based on that info:
Moussa Cisse (Okla St) Very Athletic Big, shot blocker, runs court, length is incredible, would be 2nd time X-fer.
Seryee Lewis (Rice)
Daniel Batcho (TT) or about any other 4-5 F/C we have a past recruiting history with.
Guards:
Saunders (Utah-great get imo) Would prefer this kid for our needs. Experienced against PAC 12, shoots at 40% FG/32.% 3-Pts, penetrates, shoots either hand, is a midwestern kid.
Alexander (ST Johns)
Polite (G. Mason)
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Yeah he’s just going thru the Portsmouth pro camp bc his head is all in on transferring to Illinois
You people are dumb.
The reason you are clinging to these 2 pipe dreams (Shannon coming back, and Campbell coming to Illinois) is bc all the other difference making players are gone.
Quicker you accept IL is gonna suck, nobody good wants to play for IL which is why you take dregs like Harmon is one step closer to reality.
Appropriate that both Tyger and Shannon declare for the draft on the same day.
Yet Dan bans anyone that calls out these 3 “insider”
idiots on Loyalty (Indy, LVille,O400).
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It’s going to be pretty funny if Tyger and Shannon are both Illini next year.
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Tyger isnt a top 100 NBA prospect so he likely returns for another year of college.
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Tyger isnt a top 100 NBA prospect so he likely returns for another year of college.
He could go overseas. Will not likely ever see an NBA roster. Nothing wrong with getting a nice payday here in college somewhere before he goes off to Europe.
TSJ is much more likely to stay in draft, but who knows.
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Tyger could be a STUD in the Chinese League:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Guangdong_Southern_Tigers.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Xinjiang_Flying_Tigers.png
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Tyger could be a STUD in the Chinese League:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Guangdong_Southern_Tigers.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Xinjiang_Flying_Tigers.png
Until he is imprisoned when the Commies invade Taiwan.
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Aj storr -->Wisconsin
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Nice get for them.
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40% from 3.
We're better off without him. He's better off without us.
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40% from 3.
We're better off without him. He's better off without us.
We'd only ruin him.
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I mean look what we did to Aaron Cosby.
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I still think Storr to Wisconsin is a weird fit. Like why would you wanna be constrained in an offense like that when you’re super athletic?! Like I get the Johnny Davis thing, but still a very weird decision. That’s not even counting that Gard is potentially on the hot seat.
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I still think Storr to Wisconsin is a weird fit. Like why would you wanna be constrained in an offense like that when you’re super athletic?! Like I get the Johnny Davis thing, but still a very weird decision. That’s not even counting that Gard is potentially on the hot seat.
I agree, first thing I thought...WHY?, especially if you look at the list of others involved? Many other fits that would allow for athleticism/creativity and scoring imo? Who knows, maybe he really just likes cheese curds?
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I agree, first thing I thought...WHY?, especially if you look at the list of others involved? Many other fits that would allow for athleticism/creativity and scoring imo? Who knows, maybe he really just likes cheese curds?
Or the dude really hates Illinois and wants to try and kick their ass🤷🏻♂️
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Close to home maybe.
High usage promised.
Maybe he likes Gard.
My hunch is we are not going to like seeing him the next couple years.
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But like did something happen on his visit? Does he hate Illinois? Hate Underwood? It’s just honestly very odd how everything with him has played out.
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Did he visit again this time? Or are you talking when he decommitted before? I thought he was a Chin guy before.
I think we are going to not be able to sell any wing on playing time with TSJ and Hawkins status not fully resolved and we added the Domask kid who I assume will start.
We can go after PGs hard and promise them the keys to the team, and really a Post should not be afraid of not getting 20 minutes a game minimum, or even an experienced one can start over Dainja.
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Did he visit again this time? Or are you talking when he decommitted before? I thought he was a Chin guy before.
I think we are going to not be able to sell any wing on playing time with TSJ and Hawkins status not fully resolved and we added the Domask kid who I assume will start.
We can go after PGs hard and promise them the keys to the team, and really a Post should not be afraid of not getting 20 minutes a game minimum, or even an experienced one can start over Dainja.
Just before and it said we were interested again this time. No idea if this time it was reciprocated or not, but weird. Yeah I’m not hurt about it or anything.
I really do think the main thing is PG and C. I honestly will put my trust in Underwood and think we’ll be happy with the results. Everything he’s done has been good to great except tourney results. He just needs a breakthrough there. Even a down year like this last one resulted in 20+ wins and an easy entry into the tourney. I’ll take that, but agree his tourney results need to step the fuck up.
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Storr is a great get for Wisconsin.
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But like did something happen on his visit? Does he hate Illinois? Hate Underwood? It’s just honestly very odd how everything with him has played out.
We told him he might want to look elsewhere when he was committed to us, that at least probably didn't help.
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I mean look what we did to Aaron Cosby.
Is there another Alfonso Plummer out there?
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Just before and it said we were interested again this time. No idea if this time it was reciprocated or not, but weird. Yeah I’m not hurt about it or anything.
I really do think the main thing is PG and C. I honestly will put my trust in Underwood and think we’ll be happy with the results. Everything he’s done has been good to great except tourney results. He just needs a breakthrough there. Even a down year like this last one resulted in 20+ wins and an easy entry into the tourney. I’ll take that, but agree his tourney results need to step the fuck up.
I think a lot of folks would disagree on the this last year being easy anything. We finished 7-8 and looked pretty overmatched or disinterested half of most every game.
Yes, we were good enough to get into tourney, but we had not played a complete 40 minutes all year, and were certainly not going to play two complete games the first weekend.
He has a couple years to get over the hump and hopefully they have learned something about the positionless BB myth when putting this roster together.
But if he misses or does not get past first weekend the next couple years he is likely moving on.
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Is there another Alfonso Plummer out there?
Loved Plummer.
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We told him he might want to look elsewhere when he was committed to us, that at least probably didn't help.
Ahhh, I did not know this. Thanks Spark!
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We told him he might want to look elsewhere when he was committed to us, that at least probably didn't help.
Well, that was stupid if we did that.
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We told him he might want to look elsewhere when he was committed to us, that at least probably didn't help.
Did our resident insider Dom tell you that? ;D
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I think a lot of folks would disagree on the this last year being easy anything. We finished 7-8 and looked pretty overmatched or disinterested half of most every game.
Yes, we were good enough to get into tourney, but we had not played a complete 40 minutes all year, and were certainly not going to play two complete games the first weekend.
He has a couple years to get over the hump and hopefully they have learned something about the positionless BB myth when putting this roster together.
But if he misses or does not get past first weekend the next couple years he is likely moving on.
Assume you knew what he meant - that we weren't close to the bubble. He's right, we weren't close, we were easily in.
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Well, that was stupid if we did that.
The Illini internet was happy about it at the time for the most part. A 3-star recruit, and we replaced him with a bunch of better recruits. They just mostly have transferred already, just like he did.
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We told him he might want to look elsewhere when he was committed to us, that at least probably didn't help.
Yeah that’s another lie.
Chin Coleman was his primary recruiter. Chin Coleman took the Kentucky job. Subsequently Storr decommitted.
Nothing more to that story.
And he was “committed” for all of 1 month.
again, nobody good wants to play for Underwood. Nobody. Antigua got Kofi. Chin got Ayo. Groce got Frazier.
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Ahhh, I did not know this. Thanks Spark!
It’s bc it never happened. It’s taking the “we didn’t want him narrative” to an extremely stupid angle.
Now, they did tell that to Podz. And that was fucking retarded. And Podz shoved it up their ass
Podz was a guy that had a Kentucky offer, chose to come to Illinois, and watched Damonte Williams play 28 min a game in front of him.
Again, there’s nothing Underwood does good. Not one thing.
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Everything he’s done has been good to great except tourney results.
No it hasn’t been. Did you get amnesia about what the team looked like before Kofi? Did you not watch this year?
With Kofi, Underwood is a fine regular season coach.
Without Kofi, Underwood is a level where any credible AD fires him. Period.
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Again, there’s nothing Underwood does good. Not one thing.
He's good at yelling and not visiting Mark Smith in the hospital. BOOM!
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I heard the family wanted Storr close. Assuming that is true, and they are still from Rockford, Madison makes a lot of sense.
When Chin and Antigua left, Storr and Reggie Bass were committed. I know for sure they backed off Bass, but he remained publicly committed for quite a while.
I don't know what happened with Storr for sure. Publicly, he decommited because Chin left, but there was more to it. Insiders say there were demanding mom issues. Underwood is apparently not good with demanding moms.
There was some recent mutual interest, but Storr was not a priority, and UI was not high on his list.
Other stuff: Chester recruited Epps and Harris. TA recruited Clark and Rodgers.
Podz didn't play here because he couldn't guard anyone. He was behind RJ and Goode.
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Hey, don't question the virgin Billionaire pedophile who lives in a flop house.
He bet against Illinois in their NIT game and won big.
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Podz didn't play here because he couldn't guard anyone. He was behind RJ and Goode.
Yeah Underwood is an idiot. Thank you for confirming that.
Podz lead the WCC in rebounding as a 6’5 guard. Shut the fuck about “can’t guard anyone”. He’s probably going to be picked in the 2nd rd this based on most mock drafts if he stays in. Did he somehow learn all those skills in the off-season?
Goode couldn’t guard me. And I’m over 40.
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I heard the family wanted Storr close. Assuming that is true, and they are still from Rockford, Madison makes a lot of sense.
When Chin and Antigua left, Storr and Reggie Bass were committed. I know for sure they backed off Bass, but he remained publicly committed for quite a while.
I don't know what happened with Storr for sure. Publicly, he decommited because Chin left, but there was more to it. Insiders say there were demanding mom issues. Underwood is apparently not good with demanding moms.
There was some recent mutual interest, but Storr was not a priority, and UI was not high on his list.
Other stuff: Chester recruited Epps and Harris. TA recruited Clark and Rodgers.
Podz didn't play here because he couldn't guard anyone. He was behind RJ and Goode.
Podz was a player eval fuck up by staff. No other way to put it. Kid was a big scorer in HS. It was not like he didn't have that mentality or ability.
And he was cocky even when he was here which is what you want in a shooter and scorer.
RJ fell apart under the pressure and Goode is potentially decent, but too unselfish.
If we are lucky Goode is B version of Domask as a senior.
We did not have anyone on this team returning who was a great defender. Every team had guys have career games against us and we threw our supposed freshmen stoppers at them also.
We couldn't shoot and we couldn't score for long stretches.
Podz went 20/9/4 this year and shot 44% from three and he took 144 free throws and was clearly hard to cover.
We did not have one player who could shoot 44% from three in an empty gym in practice.
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Yeah Underwood is an idiot. Thank you for confirming that.
Podz lead the WCC in rebounding as a 6’5 guard. Shut the fuck about “can’t guard anyone”. He’s probably going to be picked in the 2nd rd this based on most mock drafts if he stays in. Did he somehow learn all those skills in the off-season?
Goode couldn’t guard me. And I’m over 40.
You have never picked up a basketball in your life Virgin Billionaire Pedophile.
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Yeah I would love to hear what the staff has said regarding Podz behind closed doors with what he’s done out West.
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Yeah I would love to hear what the staff has said regarding Podz behind closed doors with what he’s done out West.
It was a miss.
You move on.
It happens.
Every kid wants to play.
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You have never picked up a basketball in your life Virgin Billionaire Pedophile.
Custard, please change Squeaky's username to Virgin Billionaire Pedophile.
Thanks!
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Am assuming Squeaky declared Podz garbage last year. Hence why he's a second rounder this year.
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He's good at yelling and not visiting Mark Smith in the hospital. BOOM!
I was gonna say “I’ve heard he’s good at yelling at black kids.”
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Custard, please change Squeaky's username to Virgin Billionaire Pedophile.
Thanks!
I smell a mult!
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Yeah I would love to hear what the staff has said regarding Podz behind closed doors with what he’s done out West.
“We’re a bunch of dumbasses”. But to save face, tell all the beat writers it was Podz decision and that we wanted him to stay.
Who am I kidding? Underwood is like the 8th highest paid coach in the country. He’s laughing his way all the way to the bank and will just retire. He has no ambition left so he probably doesn’t care.
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These fucking morons telling beat writers the truth
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I don't see how Podz is anything but a massive eval failure but LK is right that good programs wash it off because they know they're going to be right like 80% of the time.
Cf. Watching the Raptors v. Bulls game the other day I got annoyed all over again that we whiffed on VanVleet during a time Weber was offering guys like Jalen James and Michael Orris. If we had been 99-06 Illini I would not have cared.
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Podz went to basketball powerhouse Santa Clara because he was inundated with high major offers.
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Cf. Watching the Raptors v. Bulls game the other day I got annoyed all over again that we whiffed on VanVleet during a time Weber was offering guys like Jalen James and Michael Orris. If we had been 99-06 Illini I would not have cared.
Sadly, our history is replete with these kinds of errors. See: McNeal, Jerel. Kaminsky, Frank. Pargo, Jeremy. Et al
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Ramses to Georgia.
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I don't see how Podz is anything but a massive eval failure but LK is right that good programs wash it off because they know they're going to be right like 80% of the time.
Cf. Watching the Raptors v. Bulls game the other day I got annoyed all over again that we whiffed on VanVleet during a time Weber was offering guys like Jalen James and Michael Orris. If we had been 99-06 Illini I would not have cared.
I guess I struggle to see how recruiting a kid, offering him a scholarship to play for you, having him not play much year 1 because he wasn't ready and a once-in-a-lifetime scenario causes you to have two 5 year starters ahead of him on the depth chart, and then him deciding to go play elsewhere despite you wanting him to stay is an evaluation failure. I don't think I've ever seen a guy a coach wanted who chose to play elsewhere characterized that way before.
If anything the bigger evaluation failures are the guys they wanted who left but ended up bad, right? Like wanting Adam Miller to stay and having him leave anyway looks like a worse evaluation than doing the same thing with Podziemski IMO.
They could've played him last year when he wasn't ready for this level of competition, I guess, but it'd have probably cost us a conference title - and by no means guarantees he wouldn't have decided to leave anyway. Obviously playing time isn't correlated really at all to whether someone decides to leave.
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Ramses to Georgia.
So like going to Nebraska and being coached by a White guy ?
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Georgia was worse than Nebraska this year.
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but it'd have probably cost us a conference title
We just love hanging conference titles banners at Illinois!
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They could've played him last year when he wasn't ready for this level of competition, I guess, but it'd have probably cost us a conference title
Yeah I’m sure the difference in winning the conference was Damonte Williams playing those clutch 28 minutes a game while Podz played 6 minutes.
There’s a reason Podz is gonna be in the NBA and Damonte is gonna be a PE teacher.
I’m sure guys go from “not ready for the Big 10” to NBA picks in one season.
Just take the loss and stop defending a horrific talent evaluation.
You got till May 31 then you’re gone anyway
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We just love hanging conference titles banners at Illinois!
I mean yeah - are there programs out there that just don't like winning their league?
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Yeah I’m sure the difference in winning the conference was Damonte Williams playing those clutch 28 minutes a game while Podz played 6 minutes.
There’s a reason Podz is gonna be in the NBA and Damonte is gonna be a PE teacher.
I’m sure guys go from “not ready for the Big 10” to NBA picks in one season.
Just take the loss and stop defending a horrific talent evaluation.
You got till May 31 then you’re gone anyway
I mean, anyone who watched Podziemski play as a freshman for Illinois saw that he wasn't ready I assume. Anyone who isn't a complete basketball moron, anyway.
You can pretend you saw an NBA guy - lord knows lying is par for the course for you - but you definitely didn't.
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We just love hanging conference titles banners at Illinois!
yeah who cares about the results of a 20 game season
a single elimination tournament is where its at when talking about success!
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Ramses to Georgia.
I or II?
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If anything the bigger evaluation failures are the guys they wanted who left but ended up bad, right? Like wanting Adam Miller to stay and having him leave anyway looks like a worse evaluation than doing the same thing with Podziemski IMO.
Adam Miller blew out his knee. That’s why he “ended up bad”.
Your sports opinions are so mind numblingly bad I am go to start a thread to celebrate your funeral from this board
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Georgia was worse than Nebraska this year.
Actually Georgia is on the big upswing.
Last year they were 6-24.
This year, first year coach Mike White got them to 16-16. One of the biggest improvements in college basketball.
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I mean, anyone who watched Podziemski play as a freshman for Illinois saw that he wasn't ready I assume.
How would you know? He never got to play. I recall him playing one game vs NW where he saved the team late.
I do know Damonte Williams sucked. And going with an unknown player who may not suck, is better than playing a guy who for sure sucks
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How would you know? He never got to play. I recall him playing one game vs NW where he saved the team late.
I do know Damonte Williams sucked. And going with an unknown player who may not suck, is better than playing a guy who for sure sucks
If you're interested, Damonte Williams shot almost 10% better from three than Podziemski that season.
He didn't play much because when he did he was bad. A three point shooter shooting 20% who couldn't guard his shadow. He obviously was much better this year against a lower level of competition - entirely his choice, leaving for a lower level of competition - but he was bad as a freshman here. There's a reason he didn't play much, and it wasn't because Underwood just didn't like him.
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yeah who cares about the results of a 20 game season
a single elimination tournament is where its at when talking about success!
I must miss the One Shining Moment montage at the end of the B1G Regular Season or B1G Tournament every year.
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If you're interested, Damonte Williams shot almost 10% better from three than Podziemski that season.
He didn't play much because when he did he was bad. A three point shooter shooting 20% who couldn't guard his shadow. He obviously was much better this year against a lower level of competition - entirely his choice, leaving for a lower level of competition - but he was bad as a freshman here. There's a reason he didn't play much,
He shot 13 threes for the entire season. How is 13 shot attempts enough of a sample size to declare he can’t play?
Scencire Harris shot 4/20 from the FOUL LINE this year. He still played way more than Podz did.
The reason Underwood didn’t play him is because Underwood is a bad basketball coach. He played inferior players like Goode, and Williams ahead of him. Period
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Don’t get the sample size debate going, don’t want to get PAMan riled up.
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He shot 13 threes for the entire season. How is 13 shot attempts enough of a sample size to declare he can’t play?
Scencire Harris shot 4/20 from the FOUL LINE this year. He still played way more than Podz did.
The reason Underwood didn’t play him is because Underwood is a bad basketball coach. He played inferior players like Goode, and Williams ahead of him. Period
Not that this will surprise anyone, but you're a basketball moron. Literally among the least informed, least knowledgeable people I've ever discussed basketball with.
If you saw Podziemski as a freshman here and thought "that guy's an NBA player, why isn't Underwood playing him?" you were pretty quiet about it. Which makes sense, because you definitely didn't think that at any point. If he'd stayed you'd be here talking about how he sucks.
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Don’t get the sample size debate going, don’t want to get PAMan riled up.
Podz didn't get to call the plays either?
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Podz didn't get to call the plays either?
Now THAT's funny.
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Now THAT's funny.
It’s stupid AF, but still lands.
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It’s stupid AF, but still lands.
I remember when you used to have a sense of humor.
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I remember when you used to have a sense of humor.
That was me admitting it was somewhat funny. Ignorant can be funny.
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He acknowledged it landed.
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He acknowledged it landed.
If it landed like Simone Biles at the last Olympics or as a lead zeppelin, that is not acknowledging it positively. But, I now see that is not how Tempo meant it.
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That was me admitting it was somewhat funny. Ignorant can be funny.
Ok. My bad.
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If it landed like Simone Biles at the last Olympics or as a lead zeppelin, that is not acknowledging it positively. But, I now see that is not how Tempo meant it.
Pretty much never gets old to watch mediocre white men criticize much, much more successful and rich women of color.
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Pretty much never gets old to watch mediocre white men criticize much, much more successful and rich women of color.
Shhhhhhhh…you’re giving away the secret sauce recipe.
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mediocre white men
Quoting Groucho, verbatim, "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."
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Pretty much never gets old to watch mediocre white men criticize much, much more successful and rich women of color.
You know what also never gets old:
Mediocre white men, who still manage to obey basic societal laws, criticizing men of color who can’t.
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Quoting Groucho, verbatim, "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."
Except this one.
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Except this one.
I have refused by refusing to even reach mediocrity.
Or are you talking about HQ2?
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You know what also never gets old:
Mediocre white men, who still manage to obey basic societal laws, criticizing men of color who can’t.
Yeah, you sure looked like you had been obeying basic societal laws as you sweat excessively with your eyes bulging out in that video, Squeaky.
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I have refused by refusing to even reach mediocrity.
Or are you talking about HQ2?
HQ2
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You know what also never gets old:
Mediocre white men, who still manage to obey basic societal laws, criticizing men of color who can’t.
You spend all your time trolling the message boards of a university you were thrown out of 20 years ago for being a stalker.
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Yeah, you sure looked like you had been obeying basic societal laws as you sweat excessively with your eyes bulging out in that video, Squeaky.
Snorting bags of cocaine isn't accepted in a basic society?
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You spend all your time trolling the message boards of a university you were thrown out of 20 years ago for being a stalker.
Out of curiosity, do we know this to be true? Or is this HQ legend?
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Define basic
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HQ2
Ahhh. Well, HQ2 is The Cesspool. It is not quite a club. More like a Circle of Hell in Dante's Inferno in which you are thrown.
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You spend all your time trolling the message boards of a university you were thrown out of 20 years ago for being a stalker.
I have a finance degree from that shithole.
Then I moved away to the whitest place I could find and now live in paradise.
I saw on the news all that liberalism rioting in Chicago this weekend. And then I read the new mayor condone it. Then I thought, damn all you whites that voted for it can revel in it too while the rest of the country is thankful we moved
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I don’t think those teenagers are overly political.
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Then I moved away to the whitest place I could find and now live in paradise.
Would be a good sig for you.
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The whitest place you can find is Carmel, Indiana. At least it used to be.
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I have a finance degree from that shithole.
According to Karen and Fanin, you apparently forgot most of what you learned. Maybe has to do with the sweating profusely and bulging eyes....
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Washington, Illinois is also quite white.
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Washington, Illinois is also quite white.
Maybe Robb left because he got tired of you posting shit in the wrong threads....
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Washington, Illinois is also quite white.
It is. Very.
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Maybe Robb left because he got tired of you posting shit in the wrong threads....
There are nits to be picked. Very busy.
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I assume he's super seriously having sex with some chick in a bar bathroom.
Definitely a thing rob mccolley really got the chance to do often, in the real world.
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I assume he's super seriously having sex with some chick in a bar bathroom.
Definitely a thing rob mccolley really got the chance to do often, in the real world.
He said he retired and got fat. He was happy with the skins on his wall.
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He said he retired and got fat. He was happy with the skins on his wall.
I'm sure the blank wall agrees with his ADHD.
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I assume he's super seriously having sex with some chick in a bar bathroom.
Definitely a thing rob mccolley really got the chance to do often, in the real world.
I believe Rob's sexcapades more than I believe he found food worth eating in a college dumpster.
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I totally believe Robb ate food out of dumpsters.
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I believe Rob's sexcapades more than I believe he found food worth eating in a college dumpster.
Champaign Transplant got so furious with Rob over that.
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I totally believe Robb ate food out of dumpsters.
I do too.
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Champaign Transplant got so furious with Rob over that.
It is tax season. He is more focused on cheating on his taxes right now. And blonde chicks.
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It is tax season. He is more focused on cheating on his taxes right now. And blonde chicks.
I'm wondering if he got his yearly audit letter from the IRS yet.
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Would be a good sig for you.
Be a good sig for anyone
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Be a good sig for anyone
Anyone wearing a white hood.
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Champaign Transplant got so furious with Rob over that.
Very rarely has a person taken themselves so seriously that was so clearly a complete joke as Champaign Transplant.
Actually there’s a guy on the scout board right now that I’m like 60% sure is him. Talks big about how he has experience and knows all about all these things, and then posts and it’s immediately clear he has no fucking idea what he’s talking about. He claims to be a big stats guy and then uses FGA as some kind of end all stat about the quality of a basketball offense. It’s hilarious.
Last time I got into it with him he was explaining that Andres Feliz could’ve played an extra season because of COVID. Even posted a thing about how any player on a roster in 2020-21 was eligible for an extra year. When I pointed out Feliz wasn’t on that year’s roster, he simply said “I am correct. Let’s move on”.
That sort of unearned confidence never fails to make me laugh.
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Very rarely has a person taken themselves so seriously that was so clearly a complete joke as Champaign Transplant.
Actually there’s a guy on the scout board right now that I’m like 60% sure is him. Talks big about how he has experience and knows all about all these things, and then posts and it’s immediately clear he has no fucking idea what he’s talking about. He claims to be a big stats guy and then uses FGA as some kind of end all stat about the quality of a basketball offense. It’s hilarious.
Last time I got into it with him he was explaining that Andres Feliz could’ve played an extra season because of COVID. Even posted a thing about how any player on a roster in 2020-21 was eligible for an extra year. When I pointed out Feliz wasn’t on that year’s roster, he simply said “I am correct. Let’s move on”.
That sort of unearned confidence never fails to make me laugh.
Speaking of the Scout board, you are Trent Reynolds. You and your butt buddy Swank59 are the two biggest loser Illini “fans” outside of the idiots on Loyalty
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Board’s been a whole lot better since they got rid of you, that’s for sure.
That’s one thing that’s been uniformly true about Illini forums for two decades now: when Truth finally and inevitably gets permabanned, the board is much improved.
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I’m reading Loyalty now actually…
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I’m reading Loyalty now actually…
Why?
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Board’s been a whole lot better since they got rid of you, that’s for sure.
That’s one thing that’s been uniformly true about Illini forums for two decades now: when Truth finally and inevitably gets permabanned, the board is much improved.
It’s full of dweebs giving Jeremy Werner money to push pollyanna bullshit.
There’s 2 legit fans on that board. IllTex and Beaker. The rest are nothing but an echo chamber of mediocrity lovers
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I’m honestly surprised SWIllini, Zentrails, Audi, are still alive. They must all be as old as Nichi.
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Lmao I forgot about CT/The Jones' tax issues. One of the better side plots of HQ for that time period.
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Why?
Just seeing if there are any familiar names and any interesting rumors.
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It’s full of dweebs giving Jeremy Werner money to push pollyanna bullshit.
There’s 2 legit fans on that board. IllTex and Beaker. The rest are nothing but an echo chamber of mediocrity lovers
Hahahaha, why am I not surprised that you're a fan of the two stupidest, most always-wrong motherfuckers outside of yourself?
Just a perfect post. Neither of those guys have been right about a single thing in like a decade, but they - like you - operate on the "just pretend I was right" principle.
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Lmao I forgot about CT/The Jones' tax issues. One of the better side plots of HQ for that time period.
That’s one thing I do remember.
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Hahahaha, why am I not surprised that you're a fan of the two stupidest, most always-wrong motherfuckers outside of yourself?
Just a perfect post. Neither of those guys have been right about a single thing in like a decade, but they - like you - operate on the "just pretend I was right" principle.
Which is a cousin of the Peter Principle.
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Truth thinks the Peter Principle is a theory about high school girls tennis.
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Hahahaha, why am I not surprised that you're a fan of the two stupidest, most always-wrong motherfuckers outside of yourself?
Just a perfect post. Neither of those guys have been right about a single thing in like a decade, but they - like you - operate on the "just pretend I was right" principle.
IllTex was right before anyone else on Chris Beard. While every other poster on that site was making excuses for Groce and Underwood,he’s the only guy making sense saying that yea it’s possible for a coach to have immediate success.
I believe he also said how much Lovie sucked before anyone else other than me of course.
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Hahahaha, why am I not surprised that you're a fan of the two stupidest, most always-wrong motherfuckers outside of yourself?
Just a perfect post. Neither of those guys have been right about a single thing in like a decade, but they - like you - operate on the "just pretend I was right" principle.
Those two are probably him. That’s why he thinks they’re cool.
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Nah, he's somehow actually more intelligent than those two morons.
They're more like you, except they don't like Underwood.
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So Indy, Lville, and 0440 (Breal) seem to truly act like huge insiders there huh
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So Indy, Lville, and 0440 (Breal) seem to truly act like huge insiders there huh
Lville used to post as another idiot known as “BrooksTaylorFan”. BTF always had wrong info so he retired that name and came up with a new one. He’s nothing but “let me cling to the most optimistic target possible, goes elsewhere, clings to next target”. Rinse and repeat.
Indy talks out his ass and knows nothing
Breal steals premium info, which again is just as worthless bc Sturdy knows nothing and neither does Piper
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So BTF does the same thing you do, in the opposite direction?
I see why you don't like him.
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So BTF does the same thing you do, in the opposite direction?
I see why you don't like him.
No, I take the most realistic direction.
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I literally couldn't have thought of a better description of your strategy than you did.
"let me cling to the most pessimistic possibility, if things go well, cling to next target”
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I don't doubt BrooksTaylorFan does that, by the way. It's just the exact thing you do, it's hilarious.
I remember how sure you were before he got here that Kofi was slow and sucked. Then I remember how sure you were that Kofi was the only reason Brad Underwood had ever won a game, and that he'd never win one again without him.
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I don't doubt BrooksTaylorFan does that, by the way. It's just the exact thing you do, it's hilarious.
I remember how sure you were before he got here that Kofi was slow and sucked. Then I remember how sure you were that Kofi was the only reason Brad Underwood had ever won a game, and that he'd never win one again without him.
Both true.
Kofi looked terrible at Oak Hill. Then he proved to be the only thing that made a difference to Underwood.
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"When I said the All American was too slow to play at this level and sucked I was right"
This guy copes.
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Both true.
Kofi looked terrible at Oak Hill. Then he proved to be the only thing that made a difference to Underwood.
But you knew all about Podz!
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I recall that Squeaky thought Kofi would suck and the 2019-2020 was NIT bound. I still recall Squeaky calling me out after the Missour loss, as he was certain that team was NIT bound.
Too bad Squeaky has to pay up for bad stock market bets in real life.
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I’m honestly surprised SWIllini, Zentrails, Audi, are still alive. They must all be as old as Nichi.
We are honestly surprised you are still alive, but fairly confident you will die soon at the hands of some 11 year old little girl's dad, or in a painful fiery death attacking the FBI in your Uber pukemobile trying to save Trump at Mar a Lago.
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We are honestly surprised you are still alive, but fairly confident you will die soon at the hands of some 11 year old little girl's dad, or in a painful fiery death attacking the FBI in your Uber pukemobile trying to save Trump at Mar a Lago.
Perhaps we need a poll regarding Squeaky's reason for death?
A. Murdered by an 11 year old's dad.
B. Fetanyl overdose
C. Murdered in prison
D. Murdered by FBI while "protecting" Trump
E. Death from AIDS
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Acewolf to Arizona State.
Manual -> Morgan Park -> Illinois -> LSU -> Arizona State.
Quite an adventure. Wonder where he will transfer next.
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I recall that Squeaky thought Kofi would suck and the 2019-2020 was NIT bound. I still recall Squeaky calling me out after the Missour loss, as he was certain that team was NIT bound.
Too bad Squeaky has to pay up for bad stock market bets in real life.
I bet he’s never been invested more than a couple hundred dollars at a time.
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Acewolf to Arizona State.
Manual -> Morgan Park -> Illinois -> LSU -> Arizona State.
Quite an adventure. Wonder where he will transfer next.
Unless he learns how to shoot his next stop will be a pretty low level league overseas.
He is not very good at basketball.
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Perhaps we need a poll regarding Squeaky's reason for death?
A. Murdered by an 11 year old's dad.
B. Fetanyl overdose
C. Murdered in prison
D. Murdered by FBI while "protecting" Trump
E. Death from AIDS
I think we can add:
F) Choking on own vomit.
G) Dying in fire in the flop house.
H) Being killed by guys he owed money to for not paying off a bet.
He has a lot to look forward to.
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Anyone old enough to remember Jack, the manager who stole from from CCC? Nice guy really, but he got in deep with the wrong people. Actually got knee capped one time.
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And in other news:
Indy Illini is saying how he impacts lives.
https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/post/illinois-hoops-recruiting-thread.31177/page-11#post-1899059 (https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/post/illinois-hoops-recruiting-thread.31177/page-11#post-1899059)
And apparently if you scroll down Bardo believes that Hawkins is gone and TSJ coming back.
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Acewolf to Arizona State.
Manual -> Morgan Park -> Illinois -> LSU -> Arizona State.
Quite an adventure. Wonder where he will transfer next.
I wonder if at some point they'll ever be an epiphany that transferring in the first place was stupid or if he's going to just coast into playing in the Caribbean or Asia or some 3rd tier euro league.
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Adam Miller made a reasonable decision to go to LSU.
Will Wade had put several guys into the NBA from LSU. It’s not Miller’s fault that he blew out his knee and his coach got fired.
He will receive far better coaching from Bobby Hurley than he did with his prior coaches.
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I'm sure if Brad Underwood were 141-113 and 71-76 in the conference with 0 tournament wins in 8 seasons you'd be here singing his praises from the mountaintops.
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I'm sure if Brad Underwood were 141-113 and 71-76 in the conference with 0 tournament wins in 8 seasons you'd be here singing his praises from the mountaintops.
71-76 is pretty damn good compared to Underwood’s record without Kofi Cockburn (31-45).
Expectations are much higher at Illinois. And Underwood has failed to meet them period.
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"If you ignore most of the years, Hurley's record is actually better than Underwood's."
Perfect.
I love the idea that you think Hurley is a good coach though, that's fucking hilarious.
For all the anger about Underwood only having won 4 tournament games in his career, he's got 4 more tournament wins than Bobby Hurley.
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I wonder if at some point they'll ever be an epiphany that transferring in the first place was stupid or if he's going to just coast into playing in the Caribbean or Asia or some 3rd tier euro league.
I also wonder if there's even a chance he gets an education? I blame the parents.
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I bet he’s never been invested more than a couple hundred dollars at a time.
Squeaky once claimed he was making $200k annually. Perhaps he meant $200k lifetime earnings though?
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Squeaky once claimed he was making $200k annually. Perhaps he meant $200k lifetime earnings though?
Sure it wasn't his brother Speedy? Maybe $200,000 pesos? :P
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Squeaky once claimed he was making $200k annually. Perhaps he meant $200k lifetime earnings though?
Everybody here pays more in taxes annually than he earns in a year.
He lives in a flop house.
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I think we can add:
F) Choking on own vomit.
G) Dying in fire in the flop house.
H) Being killed by guys he owed money to for not paying off a bet.
He has a lot to look forward to.
I'm going with H. 11 year olds are too clever for Squeaky.
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Squeaky once claimed he was making $200k annually. Perhaps he meant $200k lifetime earnings though?
He claimed earlier this week he was a "veritable billionaire".
It's almost like the dude is incapable of being honest, huh?
I'm sure when he inevitably loses the bets he makes he explains that really, if you just ignore all the parts I was wrong about, I won the bet. Seems to be his way.
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Squeaky once claimed he was making $200k annually. Perhaps he meant $200k lifetime earnings though?
I think he meant 200k yen.
That is $1500 USD.
He lost it all in the Chinese stock market. Smart guy.
He is a brokeass pedophile loser living in a flop house.
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"If you ignore most of the years, Hurley's record is actually better than Underwood's."
Perfect.
I love the idea that you think Hurley is a good coach though, that's fucking hilarious.
For all the anger about Underwood only having won 4 tournament games in his career, he's got 4 more tournament wins than Bobby Hurley.
He’s not great,but he’s far better than Underwood.
Before Bobby Hurley got to ASU, they had made the NCAA tourney 3 times in over 20 years. He’s made it 3 times in 9 years so he’s clearly upgraded them.
ASU is a 2nd rate school in their own state. They don’t have near the resources that Illinois has.
Brad Underwood would have been fired by now without Kofi. He’s never gonna get another Kofi, so it’s inevitable he will be fired soon.
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He’s not great,but he’s far better than Underwood.
Before Bobby Hurley got to ASU, they had made the NCAA tourney 3 times in over 20 years. He’s made it 3 times in 9 years so he’s clearly upgraded them.
ASU is a 2nd rate school in their own state. They don’t have near the resources that Illinois has.
Brad Underwood would have been fired by now without Kofi. He’s never gonna get another Kofi, so it’s inevitable he will be fired soon.
Yes definitely, as long as you ignore the actual results, he's been a lot better than Underwood.
Hell, if you ignore the 223 games Underwood's won in his career, he's 0-106. Hurley's been a lot better than that.
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Bobby Hurley, whole career:
10 years. 183-133 (.579), 96-87 (.525). Four tournament appearances, 0 wins.
Brad Underwood without Kofi, for some fucking idiotic reason:
7 years. 155-79 (.662), 84-53 (.626). Five tournament appearances, 2 wins not counting a First Four win.
So who's the next Underwood recruit I should remove from his results to make things more fair?
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How about this one:
Brad Underwood, at a high-major, without Kofi:
4 years, 66-65 (.504), 31-35 (.469), two tournament appearances, no wins.
Bobby Hurley at a high major regardless of roster:
141-113 (.555), 71-76 (.483), three tournament appearances, no wins.
So there you go, that's what you need to make Hurley and Underwood comparable. Just remove most of the games Underwood's ever coached, including all of the best seasons, and they're pretty close. I assume you don't want me to do Hurley's record without Remy.
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Paying devil’s advocate here; Hurley would have made the tourney in ‘20. And hasn’t had any seasons vacated. Honestly, I’d say there’s probably not a big difference between the two. Both capable D1 coaches. I’d be willing to bet Hurley is better at Xs and Os though.
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Bobby Hurley, whole career:
10 years. 183-133 (.579), 96-87 (.525). Four tournament appearances, 0 wins.
Brad Underwood without Kofi, for some fucking idiotic reason:
7 years. 155-79 (.662), 84-53 (.626). Five tournament appearances, 2 wins not counting a First Four win.
So who's the next Underwood recruit I should remove from his results to make things more fair?
lol “whole career”. Brad didn’t build anything at SFA. He inherited a great program.
As you yourself showed, the major conference record between the 2 is damning to Underwood. He’s a big nothing without Kofi.
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Brad Underwood, at a high-major, without Kofi:
4 years, 66-65 (.504), 31-35 (.469), two tournament appearances, no wins.
He’s 31-45. Are you as bad at math as you are at English?
OSU- 9-9
IL- 4–14
IL- 7-13
IL- 11-9
31-45. .407 winning %
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Another comparison.
John Groce as high major conf coach:
37-53 (.411)
Brad Underwood as high major conf coach (without Kofi):
31-45 (.407)
But we all know how much you loved Groce so it’s no wonder you think Underwood is great too. They are virtually the same level.
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And the without Kofi comparison is very apt because he is a unique irreplaceable physical player.
Kofi is to Underwood, what Cam Newton was to Gene Chizik.
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Paying devil’s advocate here; Hurley would have made the tourney in ‘20. And hasn’t had any seasons vacated. Honestly, I’d say there’s probably not a big difference between the two. Both capable D1 coaches. I’d be willing to bet Hurley is better at Xs and Os though.
As would Underwood.
Why, given the small gap between them, are their results so different do you suspect?
Underwood’s results - wins, win percentage, conference win percentage, tournament appearances, tournament wins - are notably better than Hurley’s even if you follow Truth’s idiot ass and randomly remove all the seasons Underwood had Kofi for no real reason. Why do you think that is if they’re comparable?
If Hurley is so much better a game coach what explains the gap between them in terms of results?
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Another comparison.
John Groce as high major conf coach:
37-53 (.411)
Brad Underwood as high major conf coach (without Kofi):
31-45 (.407)
But we all know how much you loved Groce so it’s no wonder you think Underwood is great too. They are virtually the same level.
Yes, again, I can make almost any coach look better than Underwood as long as I simply don’t count Underwood’s best seasons.
You just don’t see people make arguments that fucking stupid that often.
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He’s 31-45. Are you as bad at math as you are at English?
OSU- 9-9
IL- 4–14
IL- 7-13
IL- 11-9
31-45. .407 winning %
Ah, my bad. I miscounted once while showing you that the coaches are comparable even if I, for no reason whatsoever other than that you are a complete dumbass, remove the seasons Underwood had a certain player.
I mean, the point was still pretty clear - the only way to make the two coaches have comparable results is to simply disqualify a number of Underwood’s seasons for no reason. But only a moron like you would do that.
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'On May 20, 2020, following the discovery of an administrative error in certifying eligibility for student-athletes, Stephen F. Austin reached an agreement with the NCAA to vacate hundreds of wins across multiple sports from 2013 to 2019, including all 117 men's basketball wins from the 2014–15 to 2018–19 seasons. As a result, three NCAA tournament appearances and three Southland conference titles were nullified."
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lol “whole career”. Brad didn’t build anything at SFA. He inherited a great program.
As you yourself showed, the major conference record between the 2 is damning to Underwood. He’s a big nothing without Kofi.
I’m honestly shocked you count any of Underwood’s wins. I mean, shames out the door for you here right? You’re already disqualifying half of Underwood’s entire career for no reason at all? Why stop at half?
I will completely agree that if you remove all of Underwood’s best seasons for no reason, you can make him look pretty bad. That’s just fucking stupid to do, and no reasonable person would think it wasn’t.
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I cannot be counted among the Underachiever lovers, but "pretending he never had Kofi" is patently absurd.
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I cannot be counted among the Underachiever lovers, but "pretending he never had Kofi" is patently absurd.
"Pretend I'm right" is literally the only way the guy can ever claim any sort of victory in his entire life.
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I cannot be counted among the Underachiever lovers, but "pretending he never had Kofi" is patently absurd.
There's no bigger idiot or pussy than Squeaky on the various Illini boards, which is pretty damning considering chadinla is still around.
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Again, playing devil’s advocate here. Underwood’s far and away best seasons were with Kofi and Ayo. He hasn’t shown an ability to completely replace them. Im tempted to compare Underwood’s best seasons to Matt Nagy’s coach of the year season. But that would be unfair to Underwood, because he had a lot more to do with his own success than Nagy did. But where I’m tempted to compare them is can they replicate that very brief period of success?
I’m not saying Underwood is bad (certainly better than Nagy), but let’s put it this way. Im pretty stunned to say that my confidence in Illini football is at least as high as Illini basketball.
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Why wouldn’t you take away Hurley’s best player then if you’re going to for Underwood?! This is fucking stupid 🥴
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Why wouldn’t you take away Hurley’s best player then if you’re going to for Underwood?! This is fucking stupid 🥴
The point is Underwood may have just caught lightning in a bottle (like Nagy) instead of shown an ability to win at a high level consistently. The jury is out.
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Again, playing devil’s advocate here. Underwood’s far and away best seasons were with Kofi and Ayo. He hasn’t shown an ability to completely replace them. Im tempted to compare Underwood’s best seasons to Matt Nagy’s coach of the year season. But that would be unfair to Underwood, because he had a lot more to do with his own success than Nagy did. But where I’m tempted to compare them is can they replicate that very brief period of success?
I’m not saying Underwood is bad (certainly better than Nagy), but let’s put it this way. Im pretty stunned to say that my confidence in Illini football is at least as high as Illini basketball.
But Hurley hasn't had that success, whether you arbitrarily remove the years he had his best players or not. So why do you suspect their results are so different if they're such comparable coaches?
Ignoring, of course, that the argument "this coach is bad because his record is bad if you don't count the years his record was good" is self evidently stupid as fuck.
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The point is Underwood may have just caught lightning in a bottle (like Nagy) instead of shown an ability to win at a high level consistently. The jury is out.
He won multiple tournament games with a team from the Southland Conference.
Made the tournament in his first year at a high Major at OK State.
Resurrected our program.
There's a reason his record is notably better than Hurley's even if you, for some unknown stupid reason, disqualify his biggest successes. Like even if you cut off Underwood's best three years in his career, his record - win%, conf win%, tournament appearances, tournament wins - is notably better than Hurley's. He won two more tournament games in his three years in the Southland than Hurley has in his 10 year career.
If you're going to call two coaches comparable, you surely must have some sort of reasoning as to why one's results would be so notably better than the others', right?
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Sparky, real Auburn fans knew Gene Chizik was a shit coach that lucked into Cam Newton and Cam won the national title.
They still FIRED him 2 years later.
Real Illini fans know Brad Underwood is a shit coach, who was on his way to being fired before he lucked into Kofi Cockburn. Kofi’s gone, and he’s back on the road to fireville.
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Consider this:
This board has spent the entire year bitching about Underwood, about how our team this year sucked, Truth tried to claim victory for saying they'd suck and be an NIT team because they only won 20 games and didn't win a game in the tournament after only winning one in each of the last two tournaments - our fourth straight 20 win season.
Bobby Hurley has been a coach for 10 seasons and has won more than 20 games three times total - twice at the high major level - with no tournament wins.
The team Illinois had this year that this board spent all year whining about, that led to people wanting our coach fired, would be one of the 2 or 3 best seasons in Bobby Hurley's career. Our 9 seed this year would be the best seed he's ever gotten. It was the fourth best season of Underwood's last four years.
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Dom, I don't know how many times I need to say this but...
Literally zero people in the entire world care what you think, about anything.
Zero.
Let the grown ups talk, please.
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If Hurley is so much better a game coach what explains the gap between them in terms of results?
71-76 is better than 31-45.
End of discussion.
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71-76 is better than 31-45.
End of discussion.
Yes, Bobby Hurley's conference record at Arizona State is slightly better than Brad Underwood's at the high major level, but only if you randomly disqualify multiple seasons from Underwood for no reason.
We're all in agreement - if you just pretend those years didn't happen, Underwood's record looks a lot worse.
It's just a fucking dumb thing to do, and no one but a complete moron would make a point that bad.
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Consider this:
This board has spent the entire year bitching about Underwood, about how our team this year sucked, Truth tried to claim victory for saying they'd suck and be an NIT team because they only won 20 games and didn't win a game in the tournament after only winning one in each of the last two tournaments - our fourth straight 20 win season.
Bobby Hurley has been a coach for 10 seasons and has won more than 20 games three times total - twice at the high major level - with no tournament wins.
The team Illinois had this year that this board spent all year whining about, that led to people wanting our coach fired, would be one of the 2 or 3 best seasons in Bobby Hurley's career. It was the fourth best season of Underwood's last four years.
If Arizona State had the same history Illinois has, and the same expectation level- yes they’d have fired Hurley by now. But they don’t.
If Hurley was 71-76 at Arizona for instance, he’d have been fired.
Illinois should have the same expectation level as Arizona.
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Yes Dom we know, if you just pretend then you were right.
We know. You've made it clear you can't be right in any other way.
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If Arizona State had the same history Illinois has, and the same expectation level- yes they’d have fired Hurley by now. But they don’t.
If Hurley was 71-76 at Arizona for instance, he’d have been fired.
Illinois should have the same expectation level as Arizona.
But Hurley's a notably better coach. So why does he have notably worse results?
Don't even answer, whatever stupid rationalization you're going to shit out isn't going to provide any value to anyone. We both know you can't answer it without pretending, so let's just skip to the part where you say "just pretend!" and I make fun of you for how much of a dumbass you are.
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But Hurley hasn't had that success, whether you arbitrarily remove the years he had his best players or not. So why do you suspect their results are so different if they're such comparable coaches?
Ignoring, of course, that the argument "this coach is bad because his record is bad if you don't count the years his record was good" is self evidently stupid as fuck.
TBH I don’t really give a shit about Hurley. He doesn’t coach here. He’s probably a decent coach. Not a lot more.
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TBH I don’t really give a shit about Hurley. He doesn’t coach here. He’s probably a decent coach. Not a lot more.
Uh, then why did you go out of your way to claim there isn't much difference between Hurley and Underwood? Or that Hurley's better at X's and O's?
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He won multiple tournament games with a team from the Southland Conference.
Made the tournament in his first year at a high Major at OK State.
Resurrected our program.
There's a reason his record is notably better than Hurley's even if you, for some unknown stupid reason, disqualify his biggest successes. Like even if you cut off Underwood's best three years in his career, his record - win%, conf win%, tournament appearances, tournament wins - is notably better than Hurley's. He won two more tournament games in his three years in the Southland than Hurley has in his 10 year career.
If you're going to call two coaches comparable, you surely must have some sort of reasoning as to why one's results would be so notably better than the others', right?
Again. I’ve never said Underwood hasn’t done a decent job. He has. I’m just not convinced his ceiling is as high as we thought it might be a year or two ago. That’s it. I’m not asking for him to be fired.
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Sparky is that loud vocal Auburn fan “We can’t fire Coach Chizik. The man won us a national title”
Other fans that actually understand sports:
“Ugh you see Cam Newton. Coach Chizik ain’t recruiting another Cam Newton”
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Uh, then why did you go out of your way to claim there isn't much difference between Hurley and Underwood? Or that Hurley's better at X's and O's?
Because I don’t think there is. Hurley might be just fine here at Illinois, too. ASU historically makes the tourney once every 4 years. I’d say he’s lifted the program (some). But at the end of the day, I’m not really concerned about Hurley. But if you want my opinion, he and Underwood would probably be about even swaps. That’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.
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But Hurley's a notably better coach.
Yes, and his better conference record at a far inferior sports school proves it.
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Because I don’t think there is. Hurley might be just fine here at Illinois, too. ASU historically makes the tourney once every 4 years. I’d say he’s lifted the program (some). But at the end of the day, I’m not really concerned about Hurley. But if you want my opinion, he and Underwood would probably be about even swaps. That’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.
So I'm asking: if there isn't much difference between them, then why are the results so different between them?
There's gotta be a reason, you're picking a coach with a much better record than another coach over a decade and saying "they're an even swap", what explains the disparity between their results given how comparable they are as high major college basketball coaches?
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Yes, and his better conference record at a far inferior sports school proves it.
You forgot the asterisk.
Better conference record, slightly, if you arbitrarily ignore three of Underwood's eleven seasons*
He has a notably worse conference record than Underwood, no matter how you slice it.
Obviously we both recognize you can't win this debate without pretending - that's what happens when the objective data exclusively counters your viewpoint.
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So I'm asking: if there isn't much difference between them, then why are the results so different between them?
There's gotta be a reason, you're picking a coach with a much better record than another coach over a decade and saying "they're an even swap", what explains the disparity between their results given how comparable they are as high major college basketball coaches?
Surely you understand that success at a historically good program vs success at a historically poor program aren’t 100% comparable or translatable, right?
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You put Calipari at Kentucky, or Calipari at Oregon State, I’m pretty sure his results will be better at Kentucky. Same guy. Just one situation is more advantageous.
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You forgot the asterisk.
Better conference record, slightly, if you arbitrarily ignore three of Underwood's eleven seasons*
He has a notably worse conference record than Underwood, no matter how you slice it.
Obviously we both recognize you can't win this debate without pretending - that's what happens when the objective data exclusively counters your viewpoint.
Now we’re comparing apples to
apples.
High Major Jobs where they took over for a coach that had gotten fired.
71-76. >>>>. 31-45
31-45 is terrible. It’s a level that got John Groce fired
And yes, Kofi is a gigantic asterisk. Rightfully so
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Surely you understand that success at a historically good program vs success at a historically poor program aren’t 100% comparable or translatable, right?
I don't see why comparable high major coaches taking over comparable rebuilds would have such disparate results, no - can you explain it to me without acting like it's just a truism?
One of the two guys took over a program with a previous four year record of 70-61 (34-38), one NCAA appearance and no wins, two NIT appearances.
The other took over a program with a previous four year record of 73-65 (29-43), no NCAA appearances, three NIT appearances.
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Now we’re comparing apples to
apples.
High Major Jobs where they took over for a coach that had gotten fired.
71-76. >>>>. 31-45
31-45 is terrible. It’s a level that got John Groce fired
We're comparing "apples" to "apples but what if a third of the apples didn't count for no reason"?
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You put Calipari at Kentucky, or Calipari at Oregon State, I’m pretty sure his results will be better at Kentucky. Same guy. Just one situation is more advantageous.
Calipari went to the Final Four at the University of Massachussetts and Memphis.
Look at this resume and tell me how much better the results were at Kentucky than everywhere else he coached.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calipari#Head_coaching_record
Very, very slightly better (.774 at UK, .759 at Memphis, .730 at UMass) overall, in conference he was .755 at UK, .802 at Memphis, .689 at UMass.
He was a damn good coach no matter where he coached - if anything, he's evidence against the point I think you're trying to make. His win% and tournament success didn't change all that much at Kentucky, because he's been that good everywhere he's coached.
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I don't see why comparable high major coaches taking over comparable rebuilds would have such disparate results, no - can you explain it to me without acting like it's just a truism?
One of the two guys took over a program with a previous four year record of 70-61 (34-38), one NCAA appearance and no wins, two NIT appearances.
The other took over a program with a previous four year record of 73-65 (29-43), no NCAA appearances, three NIT appearances.
Because they are not comparable programs. I’ll admit Kentucky/Calipari is an extreme example. But let’s say Rick Pitino two months ago had been offered Illinois and Oregon State? Which one do you think he’s taking? I’m thinking there’s a 98% chance it’s Illinois.
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Calipari went to the Final Four at the University of Massachussetts and Memphis.
Correct. And yet he still left several successful programs for better gigs.
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Why do you think Self left Illinois for Kansas? It wasn’t just money.
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Underwood makes $2 million more than Hurley and more than any Pac 12 coach.
Hurley is 6th in the Pac 12. Underwood is 7th in the country.
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Why do you think Self left Illinois for Kansas? It wasn’t just money.
Because KU let him 'play the game' the way he wanted, he was from the area, started his career there as an assistant, and it's a blue blood program that was coming off another Hall of Fame coach and the cupboard was full. Wasn't some huge secret.
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Correct. And yet he still left several successful programs for better gigs.
But he totally undercuts your point about how a given coach's results will be notably better at 'bigger' or 'better' schools. Like, he was about the worst possible example you could've given.
His results have been consistent everywhere he's been. Didn't matter if he was at a Buffalo type school (UMass) or an Arizona State type school (Memphis) or a blue blood like UK.
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Because they are not comparable programs. I’ll admit Kentucky/Calipari is an extreme example. But let’s say Rick Pitino two months ago had been offered Illinois and Oregon State? Which one do you think he’s taking? I’m thinking there’s a 98% chance it’s Illinois.
So you can't explain it without pretending it's a truism. "it's just true".
Calipari was an extreme example in that I couldn't have possibly picked a better example to undercut your point. He's the exact opposite of what you're claiming. He's had similarly good results everywhere he's coached, from mid-majors to blue bloods.
I have no idea which one Rick Pitino would take, but that's not the discussion we're having either. I know you do this "why would anyone pass up Illinois?" thing every single time we have a coaching search and have typically ended up with that looking pretty silly, though. Why would Brad Stevens pass on Illinois to stay at Butler, or Shaka Smart to stay at VCU? Because it's not 1988 or 2001.
Do you think Rick Pitino would definitely have better results at Illinois than at Oregon State simply because Illinois has a better history? I don't. I think Pitino is likely to have similar success at either place, because he's a good coach.
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Underwood makes $2 million more than Hurley and more than any Pac 12 coach.
Hurley is 6th in the Pac 12. Underwood is 7th in the country.
Good point. Hurley is the far better value.
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True. Why pay real money for tournament appearances every year when you can get a guy who makes it once every three or four years for way cheaper?
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It's wild that you guys let this moron Truth dictate the narrative on Underwood.
He's like "just pretend Kofi didn't play for him and Hurley's way better!" and Tempo's like "ayup, must be comparable!"
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Pitino, BTW, another guy who has been good no matter where he's coached. Was good at UK - but was also good at Louisville. Was good at Providence, was good at Iona. Was good at Boston University. Will probably be good at St. John's.
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True. Why pay real money for tournament appearances every year when you can get a guy who makes it once every three or four years for way cheaper?
If I’m paying the 7th highest salary in the country, I expect the 7th best results.
Otherwise you are wasting money
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It's wild that you guys let this moron Truth dictate the narrative on Underwood.
He's like "just pretend Kofi didn't play for him and Hurley's way better!" and Tempo's like "ayup, must be comparable!"
GENE CHIZIK:CAM NEWTON
BRAD UNDERWOOD: KOFI COCKBURN
Seems easily comparable to me.
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Because KU let him 'play the game' the way he wanted, he was from the area, started his career there as an assistant, and it's a blue blood program that was coming off another Hall of Fame coach and the cupboard was full. Wasn't some huge secret.
Translation: Better gig. Illinois is a better gig than ASU. Anyone outside of an ASU alum or homer will tell you so.
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GENE CHIZIK:CAM NEWTON
BRAD UNDERWOOD: KOFI COCKBURN
Seems easily comparable to me.
Of course it does, because you're very, very stupid.
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Translation: Better gig. Illinois is a better gig than ASU. Anyone outside of an ASU alum or homer will tell you so.
A better gig in what way? Other than the things I mentioned specifically - a place he started his career at, a blue blood, more money, can 'play the game'.
Why do you expect all the coaches you keep using as example have consistent results whether they're at Iona or Kentucky, UMass or Kentucky? Kentucky's a better program than UMass, but his results were similar - why?
And if good coaches win wherever they are, we're back to the original question - why does one of these two comparable coaches; the one that's worse at X's and O's no less!; have so much better results than the other?
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I’d like to know if Bielema leaves Illinois, would sparky be happy hiring Gene Chizik? After all there was nothing strange or outlier-y about his national championship right? And it should be replicable no?
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Surely you understand that success at a historically good program vs success at a historically poor program aren’t 100% comparable or translatable, right?
Which one is Illinois again?
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I’d like to know if Bielema leaves Illinois, would sparky be happy hiring Gene Chizik? After all there was nothing strange or outlier-y about his national championship right? And it should be replicable no?
This is what it looks like when you know for absolute certain that you have no real evidence to support your point. Just pretend!
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Calipari went to the Final Four at the University of Massachussetts and Memphis.
Look at this resume and tell me how much better the results were at Kentucky than everywhere else he coached.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calipari#Head_coaching_record
Very, very slightly better (.774 at UK, .759 at Memphis, .730 at UMass) overall, in conference he was .755 at UK, .802 at Memphis, .689 at UMass.
He was a damn good coach no matter where he coached - if anything, he's evidence against the point I think you're trying to make. His win% and tournament success didn't change all that much at Kentucky, because he's been that good everywhere he's coached.
Yeah, Tempo, that was a strange example.
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Pitino, BTW, another guy who has been good no matter where he's coached. Was good at UK - but was also good at Louisville. Was good at Providence, was good at Iona. Was good at Boston University. Will probably be good at St. John's.
It was Tempo doubling down on his Calipari argument....
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Because KU let him 'play the game' the way he wanted, he was from the area, started his career there as an assistant, and it's a blue blood program that was coming off another Hall of Fame coach and the cupboard was full. Wasn't some huge secret.
And money.
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Sparks uses the term “resurrect” to describe what Underwood did to the program. But that would also imply it was dead under Groce. Yet, Sparky supported Groce. So Spark supported a dead program.
Spark it appears you will support literally any coach at Illinois, regardless of program health, so your opinion on these matters is irrelevant.
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Sparks uses the term “resurrect” to describe what Underwood did to the program. But that would also imply it was dead under Groce. Yet, Sparky supported Groce. So Spark supported a dead program.
Spark it appears you will support literally any coach at Illinois, regardless of program health, so your opinion on these matters is irrelevant.
I fully supported Groce getting fired. It was time.
Sucked, because a coach having success at your school is preferable to firing him 100% of the time, but I didn't have any issues with Groce getting fired whatsoever.
I'll acknowledge I was probably a year late on that one.
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And yes, when a dude takes over a program with 3 tournament teams in the previous decade and after year 6 is on a streak of four in a row, I'm comfortable calling that 'resurrecting the program'.
What would you call it, dare I ask?
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And yes, when a dude takes over a program with 3 tournament teams in the previous decade and after year 6 is on a streak of four in a row, I'm comfortable calling that 'resurrecting the program'.
What would you call it, dare I ask?
I’m sure he’d give the credit to Kofi and Antigua, and to a lesser degree Ayo and Chin. Actually I’ll bet $100 on that.
Edit- although Underwood is the one who hired and recruited those players and coaches…
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Yeah, Tempo, that was a strange example.
Why did Calipari keep leaving jobs even though he was “successful?” And the answer isn’t just “money.”
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Why did Calipari keep leaving jobs even though he was “successful?” And the answer isn’t just “money.”
Caught cheating at both spots maybe…
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Why did Calipari keep leaving jobs even though he was “successful?” And the answer isn’t just “money.”
This is a total deflection though Tempo. We're talking about comparing the results between a 'better' program and a 'worse' program, however you define that.
If you were right, Calipari and Pitino would have had worse results at their 'worse' stops, but they didn't. They had consistent success everywhere they'd been, barring a couple years for a program rebuild at the beginning.
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Caught cheating at both spots maybe…
Brad Underwood has had WAY more wins vacated than Calipari.
True story: SFA has vacated more wins than anyone other than Northern Colorado and Louisville.
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And money.
And an improved chance to win on an annual basis. He left a roster he considered a national title roster to go to Kansas. And it wasn’t (all) about the money.
You could even argue Roy left Kansas for a better chance to win a national title. Roy was coming off back to back Final Fours at KU. And still recognized his ceiling was probably higher at North Carolina.
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The point is, Illinois to ASU isn’t an apples to apples comparison. No coach wanting to win titles would choose ASU over Illinois. Unless he was from there.
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In 1999, nobody in their right mind wanted Lou Henson fired. There were idiots though.
By 1992, lots had their doubts.
In 1995, it was reaching a consensus he had to move on.
I supported Groce at first. At some point, it was obvious he was over his head.
I am not even going to talk about Weber.
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It was Tempo doubling down on his Calipari argument....
Where were Pitino and Calipari MOST successful? I’ll hang up and listen to your answer.
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The point is, Illinois to ASU isn’t an apples to apples comparison. No coach wanting to win titles would choose ASU over Illinois. Unless he was from there.
Because Illinois has won so many?
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Because Illinois has won so many?
More than ASU (I count conference titles, too). And certainly been more of a national title contender than ASU. Should we count 4 seeds and higher the last 40 years?
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This is a total deflection though Tempo. We're talking about comparing the results between a 'better' program and a 'worse' program, however you define that.
If you were right, Calipari and Pitino would have had worse results at their 'worse' stops, but they didn't. They had consistent success everywhere they'd been, barring a couple years for a program rebuild at the beginning.
They absolutely had “worse” results at their “worse” stops. It just so happens their worst results were usually pretty good as well.
Calipari didn’t win a national title at Memphis with a generational one and done player. He looked up at the scoreboard and saw “Kansas” after the game. It was probably then he realized he HAD to upgrade.
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The point is, Illinois to ASU isn’t an apples to apples comparison. No coach wanting to win titles would choose ASU over Illinois. Unless he was from there.
Every coach wants to win titles, but coaches turned us down not that long ago for more time at VCU and Butler.
I get how you view our program, but most people didn't view it that way in 2005, let alone now. The idea that a coach at Illinois is 'comparable' to a coach winning 10-15% fewer games at a different high major program just isn't real life.
Good coaches win everywhere they coach, as you accidentally showed us.
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They absolutely had “worse” results at their “worse” stops. It just so happens their worst results were usually pretty good as well.
Calipari didn’t win a national title at Memphis with a generational one and done player. He looked up at the scoreboard and saw “Kansas.” It was probably then he realized he HAD to upgrade.
He coached in Final Fours at two mid-major programs. His results were superlative everywhere he went. He was almost literally the best example to use to argue against the point you're trying to make. He's a great coach who's gotten great results whether he's coaching at a blue blood or a mid major.
He wasn't held back from big time success because he was at UMass, and that isn't a coincidence. It's because he's a great college basketball coach.
If the program's historical success was the dictating factor, he'd have had considerably less success at UMass and Memphis than at Kentucky, but he didn't.
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Every coach wants to win titles, but coaches turned us down not that long ago for more time at VCU and Butler.
I get how you view our program, but most people didn't view it that way in 2005, let alone now. The idea that a coach at Illinois is 'comparable' to a coach winning 10-15% fewer games at a different high major program just isn't real life.
Good coaches win everywhere they coach, as you accidentally showed us.
There were probably underlying reasons Shaka didn’t take Illinois. It was soon discovered Mike Thomas was a clown. Shaka knew a Texas or UCLA would come calling. He was the hot commodity for several years.
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More than ASU (I count conference titles, too). And certainly been more of a national title contender than ASU. Should we count 4 seeds and higher the last 40 years?
Number of 4 seeds or higher since 1982 is something only an Illini fan would bring up.
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He coached in Final Fours at two mid-major programs. His results were superlative everywhere he went. He was almost literally the best example to use to argue against the point you're trying to make. He's a great coach who's gotten great results whether he's coaching at a blue blood or a mid major.
He wasn't held back from big time success because he was at UMass, and that isn't a coincidence. It's because he's a great college
basketball coach.
Do you think Calipari’s ultimate goal each year is “to make the Final Four?” Hell, no. His goal is to win the damn thing. More often than not.
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There were probably underlying reasons Shaka didn’t take Illinois. It was soon discovered Mike Thomas was a clown. Shaka knew a Texas or UCLA would come calling. He was the hot commodity for several years.
And washed out at Texas, yes.
But what coach who wanted to win titles would stay at VCU or Butler over Illinois?
it's just a silly meatheady type take.
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Do you think Calipari’s ultimate goal each year is “to make the Final Four?” Hell, no. His goal is to win the damn thing. More often than not.
Yep, and he came really close at multiple mid-majors.
Do you really think you're supporting your point? You're not, you're supporting mine.
John Calipari had big time success, in terms of winning percentage, conference winning percentage, tournament success - comparable at every stop he made, whether it was one of the most successful programs in history or a program that has two total tournament appearances in 95+ seasons when he didn't coach or recruit their players.
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Brad Underwood has had WAY more wins vacated than Calipari.
True story: SFA has vacated more wins than anyone other than Northern Colorado and Louisville.
No doubt, but cheating and sanctions would be a reason Cal left UMass and Memphis. They were definitely in hot water because of him.
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No doubt, but cheating and sanctions would be a reason Cal left UMass and Memphis. They were definitely in hot water because of him.
If there was evidence he'd been involved he'd have gotten in trouble too - but there wasn't.
The UMass stuff is pretty similar to the stuff that happened under Underwood at OK State.
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If there was evidence he'd been involved he'd have gotten in trouble too - but there wasn't.
The UMass stuff is pretty similar to the stuff that happened under Underwood at OK State.
The SFA stuff clearly had nothing to do with Underwood.
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If there was evidence he'd been involved he'd have gotten in trouble too - but there wasn't.
The UMass stuff is pretty similar to the stuff that happened under Underwood at OK State.
Agreed.
It’s not THE reason he left those programs, but it is A reason along with many others.
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Yep, and he came really close at multiple mid-majors.
Do you really think you're supporting your point? You're not, you're supporting mine.
John Calipari had big time success, in terms of winning percentage, conference winning percentage, tournament success - comparable at every stop he made, whether it was one of the most successful programs in history or a program that has two total tournament appearances in 95+ seasons when he didn't coach or recruit their players.
Calipari made one Final Four in 8 years at Memphis. He made 4 and won a title his first 6 years at Kentucky. You tell me where his ceiling was higher.
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The SFA stuff clearly had nothing to do with Underwood.
How do you figure?
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Number of 4 seeds or higher since 1982 is something only an Illini fan would bring up.
The point is Illinois has contended for national titles on a somewhat regular basis for 40 years. ASU probably hasn’t had a single season in which they could have had national title aspirations.
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The point is Illinois has contended for national titles on a somewhat regular basis for 40 years. ASU probably hasn’t had a single season in which they could have had national title aspirations.
Whaaaa 🤨
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Every coach wants to win titles, but coaches turned us down not that long ago for more time at VCU and Butler.
I get how you view our program, but most people didn't view it that way in 2005, let alone now. The idea that a coach at Illinois is 'comparable' to a coach winning 10-15% fewer games at a different high major program just isn't real life.
Good coaches win everywhere they coach, as you accidentally showed us.
Again. Calipari won “biggest” at Kentucky. And it isn’t close when you consider everything in bulk. It’s not just the coach. The program matters. And some programs are easier to win at than others. As I said, Illinois has at least contended for Final Fours under 6 coaches in 40 years. ASU has never.
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Again. Calipari won “biggest” at Kentucky. And it isn’t close when you consider everything in bulk. It’s not just the coach. The program matters. And some programs are easier to win at than others. As I said, Illinois has at least contended for Final Fours under 6 coaches in 40 years. ASU has never.
Yeah but what is he at UMass without Camby? Memphis without Rose? Kentucky without all those top recruits?
I mean take those off and he’s shit 🤷🏻♂️ one could say Hurley-like.
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It was Tempo doubling down on his Calipari argument....
Calipari was very good at Memphis. He was GREAT at Kentucky. 4 Final Fours and a title > 1 Final Four
So again, tell me where he has/had the higher ceiling.
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Brad Underwood has had WAY more wins vacated than Calipari.
True story: SFA has vacated more wins than anyone other than Northern Colorado and Louisville.
So not only is Underwood a bad major conference coach without Kofi Cockburn, but even his success at a small school is tainted.
Why are you defending this cheating scumbag?
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SFA placed on NCAA probation, must vacate wins in four sports
"Administrators erred by counting all semester credit hours to determine academic eligibility instead of counting only credit hours that led to a degree, Ivey said."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/SFA-placed-on-NCAA-probation-must-vacate-wins-in-15284367.php&ved=2ahUKEwiY-bvQkLX-AhWUkIkEHYAQDQ8QFnoECBMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0qKWNbTm_5WYV-zd4hvYFM
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SFA vacated 289 wins across multiple sports.
UNC got nothing.
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Why are you defending this cheating scumbag?
This is classic white trash talk.
The brokeass flop house virgin pedophile is calling someone a scumbag.
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SFA placed on NCAA probation, must vacate wins in four sports
"Administrators erred by counting all semester credit hours to determine academic eligibility instead of counting only credit hours that led to a degree, Ivey said."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/SFA-placed-on-NCAA-probation-must-vacate-wins-in-15284367.php&ved=2ahUKEwiY-bvQkLX-AhWUkIkEHYAQDQ8QFnoECBMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0qKWNbTm_5WYV-zd4hvYFM
Underwood for sure knew the scheme that allowed his players to take swim class and stay eligible. Most good coaches would be making sure their guys took classes that helped them get degrees.
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Yeah, I’m not dating Underwood was the mastermind of SFA’s cheating, but it’s unlikely he was in the dark.
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Whaaaa 🤨
You strengthen my point. You find Illinois’ success lacking. An ASU fan has never really tasted the level of success Illinois would call “failure.”
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Do you think Calipari’s ultimate goal each year is “to make the Final Four?” Hell, no. His goal is to win the damn thing. More often than not.
And to make more money which you won't get from a mid major. Ergo they are called mid majors.
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Where were Pitino and Calipari MOST successful? I’ll hang up and listen to your answer.
Who is to say they would not have been as successful if they had stayed? We can say they would not be as wealthy.
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Yeah, I’m not dating Underwood was the mastermind of SFA’s cheating, but it’s unlikely he was in the dark.
Sans literally any evidence whatsoever, this is pretty ugly.
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Again. Calipari won “biggest” at Kentucky. And it isn’t close when you consider everything in bulk. It’s not just the coach. The program matters. And some programs are easier to win at than others. As I said, Illinois has at least contended for Final Fours under 6 coaches in 40 years. ASU has never.
Which 6 coaches did Illinois contend for the Final Four under?
Calipari won the title at UK, yes. He played for it at Memphis. He was one game away from playing for at UMass. To pretend those results aren’t very comparable is wild. They are. He has had great results everywhere - he didn’t have mediocre results at UMass because it’s a mid-major, which is what you would expect if your overall point about Hurley having a mediocre record because of ASU’s history was accurate.
It’s far more likely that Underwood and Hurley’s results aren’t comparable because one of them is a notably better college basketball coach than the other.
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How's the portal tracking going ?
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Calipari was very good at Memphis. He was GREAT at Kentucky. 4 Final Fours and a title > 1 Final Four
So again, tell me where he has/had the higher ceiling.
His ceiling was a national title at both places, obviously. Didn’t matter whether he was at a mid major or the bluest of blue bloods - his ceiling was the same.
He didn’t have a Hurley-esque record at UMass and Memphis even though they aren’t as good historically as other programs. He had a similar record at those mid majors as he does at Kentucky.
It’s kind of incredible you still seem to think this was a good example. It was literally the worst one you could’ve picked, completely undercuts your point about Bobby Hurley. You’d expect him to have mid major type results at UMass if program history was the dictating factor. He didn’t, he had results just like the ones he had at a blue blood.
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No real B1G recent news in portal, none really expected until I would guess mid May...due to timelines/committal/withdraw etc.
BU is on record as wanting solid PG...(my guess that kid hasn't even announced as of yet) and some interior help. I would think the kid from Notre Dame that is transferring is one they may be looking at. Ven-Allen Lubin 6'8" 228 solid freshman for Notre Dame.
https://und.com/roster/ven-allen-lubin/
Brey on Lubin
“Ven-Allen is a positionless basketball player. He has the ability to post up, face up, run and change ends. He also brings great length on the defensive end.”
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No real B1G recent news in portal, none really expected until I would guess mid May...due to timelines/committal/withdraw etc.
BU is on record as wanting solid PG...(my guess that kid hasn't even announced as of yet) and some interior help. I would think the kid from Notre Dame that is transferring is one they may be looking at. Ven-Allen Lubin 6'8" 228 solid freshman for Notre Dame.
https://und.com/roster/ven-allen-lubin/
Brey on Lubin
“Ven-Allen is a positionless basketball player. He has the ability to post up, face up, run and change ends. He also brings great length on the defensive end.”
Thanks.
A pg with some experience who might stay for more than a year would be nice.
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Spark came in here and fucked some guys up. My goodness.
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Who is to say they would not have been as successful if they had stayed? We can say they would not be as wealthy.
So now you’re going to replace objective results with “supposing.” Where did Calipari start getting his BEST results? Where did Roy finally WIN titles? Where did Pitino reach the HEIGHT of his success? Where did Self win two titles and earn a perpetual 1 seed? It seems safe to say that these legendary coaches achieved their GREATEST success at the most prestigious programs they coached at. It’s not a coincidence.
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Spark came in here and fucked some guys up. My goodness.
I sure hope you’re not including me in that group.
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Yeah, I’m not dating Underwood was the mastermind of SFA’s cheating, but it’s unlikely he was in the dark.
Haha “saying,” not dating.
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Sans literally any evidence whatsoever, this is pretty ugly.
He’d be pretty inept if he didn’t have an inkling.
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Which 6 coaches did Illinois contend for the Final Four under?
Calipari won the title at UK, yes. He played for it at Memphis. He was one game away from playing for at UMass. To pretend those results aren’t very comparable is wild. They are. He has had great results everywhere - he didn’t have mediocre results at UMass because it’s a mid-major, which is what you would expect if your overall point about Hurley having a mediocre record because of ASU’s history was accurate.
It’s far more likely that Underwood and Hurley’s results aren’t comparable because one of them is a notably better college basketball coach than the other.
Are you confusing only E8 appearances for “contending” for Final Fours? Even if you use that high bar, the answer is half of them. 4 of them had earned a 1 seed at some point.
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He’d be pretty inept if he didn’t have an inkling.
I suspect that you wouldn't even be able to tell me what happened to get SFA in trouble without looking it up.
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Are you confusing only E8 appearances for “contending” for Final Fours? Even if you use that high bar, the answer is half of them. 4 of them had earned a 1 seed at some point.
I mean, it'd be a difficult sell to claim that Lon Kruger or John Groce or Brad Underwood have contended for Final Fours at Illinois, which was why I asked what basis you were claiming that on.
I will agree that Henson, Self, Weber contended for or made them at least a couple times.
Illinois has actually made two Final Fours in the last 70 years.
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Had Kruger stayed more than 3 years he’d have probably earned a 1 seed at some point. That’s a potent program.
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Had Kruger stayed more than 3 years he’d have probably earned a 1 seed at some point. That’s a potent program.
LOL, the way your standards shift with the wind is always funny.
Can you really contend for the Final Four in the first weekend of the tournament?
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I mean, it'd be a difficult sell to claim that Lon Kruger or John Groce or Brad Underwood have contended for Final Fours at Illinois, which was why I asked what basis you were claiming that on.
I will agree that Henson, Self, Weber contended for or made them at least a couple times.
Illinois has actually made two Final Fours in the last 70 years.
I would argue that any program consistently earning 4 seeds or better is “contending” for final fours more or less, regardless of tournament run. Underwood having a very disappointing run as a 1 seed doesn’t diminish the potency of the Illinois program.
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Sorry, I was using voice translator. I fixed it.
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LOL, the way your standards shift with the wind is always funny.
Can you really contend for the Final Four in the first weekend of the tournament?
Again, it’s very much about seeding. Regularly earning high seeds is important. The fact that Illinois has underachieved relative to those seedings doesn’t diminish the potency of the program.
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LOL, the way your standards shift with the wind is always funny.
Can you really contend for the Final Four in the first weekend of the tournament?
Care to explain how I’ve “shifted?”
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I would argue that any program consistently earning 4 seeds or better is “contending” for final fours more or less, regardless of tournament run. Underwood having a very disappointing run as a 1 seed doesn’t diminish the potency of the Illinois program.
Illinois has been a top-4 seed 14 times in the 70+ years there have been more than 20 teams in the tournament. Twice a decade.
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Illinois has been a top-4 seed 14 times in the 70+ years there have been more than 20 teams in the tournament. Twice a decade.
Most of those since 1980. And that’s probably 14 more 4 seeds or higher than ASU has had.
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Care to explain how I’ve “shifted?”
Well, you opined that Calipari's ceiling and results were better at Kentucky, but I didn't hear you mention "if he'd stayed at Memphis or UMass, he'd have likely continued his success at those places" even though that's likely true.
But Lon Kruger contended for Final Fours at Illinois even though he didn't make the second weekend, because if he'd stayed he probably would've had a 1-seed later.
Those are notably different standards, seems like they shift based on what argument you're trying to make in that moment.
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Most of those since 1980. And that’s probably 14 more 4 seeds or higher than ASU has had.
Okay, so neither program consistently is a top-4 seed (ASU has one, a 2-seed in the 80's). Agree with that. Illinois has been that more, mostly 15+ years ago (we've been a top-4 seed twice since Dee Brown graduated, both under Underwood) - agree with that too.
It's the opposite of the point you're trying to make again though.
Lou Henson had 6 consecutive top-4 seeds in the 80's. He made one S16, one E8, one Final Four, and lost in the first round twice. We put his name on our court.
Is your contention is that Brad Underwood has Illinois contending for Final Fours?
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Calipari would have definitely been “successful” had he stayed at Memphis. 4 Final Fours and a natty in 6 years successful? Likely not.
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Calipari would have definitely been “successful” had he stayed at Memphis. 4 Final Fours and a natty in 6 years successful? Likely not.
He'd been to two E8's and a Final Four - including an overtime loss in the national title game - in the previous four years, why would four F4's in the next 6 be out of the question? He was pulling the exact same kinds of recruits at Memphis as he did at Kentucky.
He already had Cousins coming to Memphis the next year, and was going to get Wall there too. You really think those guys got to the Elite Eight because they were at Kentucky, not because they were good and had a good coach that's won big everywhere he's been? You really think he was going to stop getting the top recruits every year at Memphis?
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Okay, so neither program consistently is a top-4 seed (ASU has one, a 2-seed in the 80's). Agree with that. Illinois has been that more, mostly 15+ years ago (we've been a top-4 seed twice since Dee Brown graduated, both under Underwood) - agree with that too.
It's the opposite of the point you're trying to make again though.
Is your contention is that Brad Underwood has Illinois contending for Final Fours?
Saying that is like saying Dansby Swanson and Nick Madrigal are essentially the same because they are both big leaguers. ASU has not sniffed the success Illinois has had.
Yes, unfortunately the majority of that success was 15-40 years ago. But we’ve recently flirted with it again. My basic point is, a competent coach can do well at Illinois.
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And my other point is that a “competent” coach won’t get Illinois level success at ASU. That coach would have to be elite.
And by that I mean slam dunk HOfer.
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I would say during the Kofi/Ayo period, yes. Underwood was at that level. Covid ruined his other good chance for a deep run.
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And my other point is that a “competent” coach won’t get Illinois level success at ASU. That coach would have to be elite.
And by that I mean slam dunk HOfer.
But you have yet to provide any reasoning or evidence for this take other than "it's just true".
I think the evidence pretty clearly shows that good coaches win everywhere they coach, and bad coaches don't. I don't think it makes any logical sense at all to say "this coach with better results is comparable to this other coach with worse results - even a worse X's and O's coach - because the first coach is at a program that has more historical success." They inherited programs that had been very similar in recent years. No one other than Illinois fans latches onto Illinois' history from 20-40 years ago.
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But you have yet to provide any reasoning or evidence for this take other than "it's just true".
I think the evidence pretty clearly shows that good coaches win everywhere they coach, and bad coaches don't. I don't think it makes any logical sense at all to say "this coach with better results is comparable to this other coach with worse results - even a worse X's and O's coach - because the first coach is at a program that has more historical success." They inherited programs that had been very similar in recent years. No one other than Illinois fans latches onto Illinois' history from 20-40 years ago.
The fact that Illinois’ “failure” is success ASU only dreams of isn’t enough “proof?”
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Saying that is like saying Dansby Swanson and Nick Madrigal are essentially the same because they are both big leaguers. ASU has not sniffed the success Illinois has had.
Yes, unfortunately the majority of that success was 15-40 years ago. But we’ve recently flirted with it again. My basic point is, a competent coach can do well at Illinois.
No, it's not. It's like saying that Dansby Swanson is comparable to guys who have produced comparably to him, and is better than guys who have produced less than him.
Your take is like saying that Dansby Swanson is actually comparable to a guy with considerably worse production because he plays for the historically inept Chicago Cubs.
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Again. Good coaches “win,” anywhere. That’s largely true. I’m talking about winning at the highest levels. It is easier to do (though not “easy”) at Illinois than it is ASU. I don’t see how that’s controversial. We’ve had 3 HOF caliber coaches in our lifetime. I don’t think ASU has had one. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
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The fact that Illinois’ “failure” is success ASU only dreams of isn’t enough “proof?”
It's certainly evidence that Illinois' coach is considerably better than ASU's - that the Underwood season that causes this board to meltdown and want him fire would be near the top of Hurley's list.
The notion that it's related to the history of the programs and not the coaches they have simply doesn't follow the evidence at all.
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Again. Good coaches “win,” anywhere. That’s largely true. I’m talking about winning at the highest levels. It is easier to do (though not “easy”) at Illinois than it is ASU. I don’t see how that’s controversial. We’ve had 3 HOF caliber coaches in our lifetime. I don’t think ASU has had one. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
And that's why Illinois has historically better results than ASU. Because they have hired Hall of Fame coaches.
It's not because it's Illinois and ASU is ASU. It's because Illinois has hired better college basketball coaches, and good college basketball coaches win whether they're at Illinois or Iona or Kentucky or UMass.
You're arguing against your own point again. Good coaches win wherever they go. Mediocre coaches don't. Saying two coaches are comparable despite their results not being comparable because historically one program is better than the other simply ignores reality.
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If I can interpret all of the sophomoric bullshit worshiping of insiders and nuthugging going on at Loyalty- this guy might be visiting today.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432996/quincy-guerrier (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432996/quincy-guerrier)
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If I can interpret all of the sophomoric bullshit worshiping of insiders and nuthugging going on at Loyalty- this guy might be visiting today.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432996/quincy-guerrier (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432996/quincy-guerrier)
Looks like he could elevate our 3 point percentage a tiche, but make up for it with free shot shooting.
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Also there allegedly is a deal already made for a PG.
Rumor is RayJ Dennis.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4431941/rayj-dennis (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4431941/rayj-dennis)
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I sure hope you’re not including me in that group.
You are the Duke of New York, A Number 1, person in the group.
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It's certainly evidence that Illinois' coach is considerably better than ASU's -
Over 40 years. Even Weber (post Dee) and probably Groce achieved at a level ASU would have been pretty happy with.
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So now you’re going to replace objective results with “supposing.” Where did Calipari start getting his BEST results? Where did Roy finally WIN titles? Where did Pitino reach the HEIGHT of his success? Where did Self win two titles and earn a perpetual 1 seed? It seems safe to say that these legendary coaches achieved their GREATEST success at the most prestigious programs they coached at. It’s not a coincidence.
Didn't stay long enough due to...the answer for everything...MONEY.
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Spark came in here and fucked some guys up. My goodness.
Spark destroying Tempo like at the HQOG.
To be fair, he is getting a lot of help from Tempo, himself.
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And that's why Illinois has historically better results than ASU. Because they have hired Hall of Fame coaches.
Lots of layers here. Any specific reason Illinois hired better coaches? Higher profile conference? Better facilities/infrastructure? More homegrown talent? Dumb luck? Before we hired Lou we had the guy that replaced John Wooden at UC freaking LA. Illinois is a desirable job. The coach and the job are entertwined. That’s been my point all along.
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Over 40 years. Even Weber (post Dee) and probably Groce achieved at a level ASU would have been pretty happy with.
Yes. The coaches.
It's not because one is Illinois and one is ASU. It's because one hired three straight good coaches, and the other didn't.
Because good coaches win wherever they are.
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Lots of layers here. Any specific reason Illinois hired better coaches? Higher profile conference? Better facilities/infrastructure? More homegrown talent? Dumb luck? Before we hired Lou we had the guy that replaced John Wooden at UC freaking LA. Illinois is a desirable job. The coach and the job are entertwined. That’s been my point all along.
The guy who replaced John Wooden was 8-18 (4-14) in his one season at Illinois. He also left UCLA after two years for UAB - which I suppose must be a more desirable program than UI or UCLA, right?
Illinois has historically hired good coaches - particularly three straight Hall of Fame coaches that built us from an also-ran into a nationally competitive program. That's the difference between the programs. It's not the name on the jersey. When Illinois hired a mediocre coach to replace a Hall of Famer, the results became mediocre. That isn't a coincidence.
The notion that a coach winning considerably more at Illinois is 'comparable' to a coach winning considerably less at another high major basketball program is just not found in evidence.
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Sorry, I was using voice translator. I fixed it.
You may want to shift it from the "Dominick/Truth" setting.
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Also there allegedly is a deal already made for a PG.
Rumor is RayJ Dennis.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4431941/rayj-dennis (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4431941/rayj-dennis)
Led the team in minutes, fgm, fga, 3 pt attempts, free shots, 3rd in rebounds.
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You say I’ve provided “zero proof?” But I’d argue I’ve provided way more proof than your theory that Illinois has “dumb lucked” their way to a far superior basketball program history than ASU.
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Led the team in minutes, fgm, fga, 3 pt attempts, free shots, 3rd in rebounds.
He has an actual PG/Lead Guard mentality. 6 Assists a game.
Have not had one of those for years.
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Looks like he could elevate our 3 point percentage a tiche, but make up for it with free shot shooting.
That happens only if Calipari takes over at Illinois.
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The guy who replaced John Wooden was 8-18 (4-14) in his one season at Illinois.
Not necessarily the point. The point is he was highly enough regarded at the time to replace the guy who just won 10 titles in 12 years.
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You say I’ve provided “zero proof?” But I’d argue I’ve provided way more proof than your theory that Illinois has “dumb lucked” their way to a far superior basketball program history than ASU.
Respectfully- can you guys take this discussion to another thread.
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You say I’ve provided “zero proof?” But I’d argue I’ve provided way more proof than your theory that Illinois has “dumb lucked” their way to a far superior basketball program history than ASU.
Which makes sense, I suppose, since you literally can't accurately describe my viewpoint apparently.
Your evidence is "it's just true", which is another way of saying you don't have literally any evidence.
Pretty much all the evidence indicates that the coach makes the program. A good coach is going to win big whether he's at a mid-major or a blue blood. A mediocre coach is going to be mediocre. The notion that a guy with mediocre results at a high major program is comparable to a guy with much better results at a different high major program with a better history 20-40 years ago is certainly not found in any evidence you've provided. You've provided at least two examples that argue AGAINST your point though.
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Respectfully- can you guys take this discussion to another thread.
Nope, you're welcome not to read it like a grown up though.
It's really not hard to scroll down.
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Illinois is a desirable job. The coach and the job are entertwined. That’s been my point all along.
And recent history, post-Weber, has established this is completely untrue.
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Not necessarily the point. The point is he was highly enough regarded at the time to replace the guy who just won 10 titles in 12 years.
And he left UCLA after two years for a more desirable program.
If anything, that shows a pretty notable change in college basketball as a whole, right? Imagine a program in 2023 coming off 12 national titles in 14 years, hiring a guy who finished dead last in his conference in his only season at the high major level. Simply wouldn't happen.
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He has an actual PG/Lead Guard mentality. 6 Assists a game.
Have not had one of those for years.
I did see that but misremembered to include it.
An upperclassman pg, rather than 3 freshmen combo guards at the point, would be nice.
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I think Rayj would be a great get. He strikes me as exactly the kind of dude with nothing to prove at the mid-major level who's going to lead some high major team deep into the tournament.
Could be wrong.
I'm not sure the Tyger ship has totally sailed either, but I'm glad we're not waiting. That'd be a huge mistake.
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Nope, you're welcome not to read it like a grown up though.
It's really not hard to scroll down.
LOL. You are one self absorbed unaware mthrfcker.
This is not a thread for your needy bullshit. Try to stay on task like a grown up.
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And recent history, post-Weber, has established this is completely untrue.
Did “Underwhelm” attain a 1 seed? Seems if he can do it, a large handful could. Can’t be said for ASU.
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LOL. You are one self absorbed unaware mthrfcker.
This is not a thread for your needy bullshit. Try to stay on task like a grown up.
"You're very self-absorbed" says the guy whining that people are talking about college basketball on a college basketball message board.
Scroll down. Honestly, it really isn't difficult or arduous at all to ignore. You move your index finger on the little wheel on your mouse and voila, it's gone.
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And for the record. Bartow was 52-9 with a 3rd place finish (back when they had a consolation game), and a S16 in his two years at UCLA. So not exactly a failure (though compared to Wooden it was probably viewed that way).
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I think Rayj would be a great get. He strikes me as exactly the kind of dude with nothing to prove at the mid-major level who's going to lead some high major team deep into the tournament.
Could be wrong.
I'm not sure the Tyger ship has totally sailed either, but I'm glad we're not waiting. That'd be a huge mistake.
Would be nice get for sure. We will see. Supposedly this is a done deal.
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And for the record. Bartow was 52-9 with a 3rd place finish (back when they had a consolation game), and a S16 in his two years at UCLA. So not exactly a failure (though compared to Wooden it was probably viewed that way).
And then he left for what I assume was a more desirable program. The University of Alabama-Birmingham.
I mean, any coach would pick UCLA over UAB right? It's just true.
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"You're very self-absorbed" says the guy whining that people are talking about college basketball on a college basketball message board.
Scroll down. Honestly, it really isn't difficult or arduous at all to ignore. You move your index finger on the little wheel on your mouse and voila, it's gone.
Agreed. It literally takes a half second to see it’s not what you want and move on. Although I’m happy to relocate if that’s the choice.
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Did “Underwhelm” attain a 1 seed? Seems if he can do it, a large handful could. Can’t be said for ASU.
For what it was worth, not much, but yes.
Can you really tell me that KY, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UConn would ever hire Underachiever as their coach? NO FUCKING WAY.
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And then he left for what I assume was a more desirable program. The University of Alabama-Birmingham.
I mean, any coach would pick UCLA over UAB right? It's just true.
Maybe he wasn’t happy or comfortable there? Sometimes the marriage just isn’t right.
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For what it was worth, not much, but yes.
Can you really tell me that KY, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UConn would ever hire Underachiever as their coach? NO FUCKING WAY.
Where did I make that point? Ever. That’s the opposite of my point.
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Maybe he wasn’t happy or comfortable there? Sometimes the marriage just isn’t right.
But any coach would pick UCLA over UAB, just like any coach would pick Illinois over ASU.
Except, neither thing is actually true. It's just a thing you state as fact despite the evidence.
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But any coach would pick UCLA over UAB, just like any coach would pick Illinois over ASU.
Except, neither thing is actually true. It's just a thing you state as fact despite the evidence.
Any coach that prioritizes winning titles, yes.
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Agreed. It literally takes a half second to see it’s not what you want and move on. Although I’m happy to relocate if that’s the choice.
Half the posts here boil down to "heh heh ur gay and i fucked ur mom" but it's the people talking about basketball that need to move along.
Took far more effort to whine about it than scroll past it.
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Where did I make that point? Ever. That’s the opposite of my point.
Yet, Illinois, which you claim is a better program than it is, hired a guy no one who is a really good program would even consider....
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"You're very self-absorbed" says the guy whining that people are talking about college basketball on a college basketball message board.
Scroll down. Honestly, it really isn't difficult or arduous at all to ignore. You move your index finger on the little wheel on your mouse and voila, it's gone.
No, this is a pissing match that you and Tempo have with someone or each other everyday.
Read the title of the thread dumbass.
It is not the TEMPO and SPARK LOVESPAT thread.
It is spam and nobody gives a fuck.
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RayJ or Tyger would be my guess. Either one of those options I’m down with. Honestly I might prefer RayJ with the mentality he has. And yes l, it’s RayJ as a done deal… as long as Tyger declines is the staff’s priority. I would honestly take RayJ right now in my opinion.
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If I can interpret all of the sophomoric bullshit worshiping of insiders and nuthugging going on at Loyalty- this guy might be visiting today.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432996/quincy-guerrier (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432996/quincy-guerrier)
We had previously recruited him before. Underwood is big on him.
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No, this is a pissing match that you and Tempo have with someone or each other everyday.
Read the title of the thread dumbass.
It is not the TEMPO and SPARK LOVESPAT thread.
It is spam and nobody gives a fuck.
Read the title of the board. It's a college basketball forum. It is discussion about college basketball.
You've spent far, far, far more energy whining about it like a middle schooler than it would've taken to scroll down a bit. Like really, that's what you're whining about: you had to scroll down.
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Read the title of the board. It's a college basketball forum. It is discussion about college basketball.
You've spent far, far, far more energy whining about it like a middle schooler than it would've taken to scroll down a bit. Like really, that's what you're whining about: you had to scroll down.
Oh Dan or Tyler would ban your ass for this! Thankful Custard created this place that some people hate, yet still post at…
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Oh Dan or Tyler would ban your ass for this! Thankful Custard created this place that some people hate, yet still post at…
Do they REALLY hate it, Judge Judy?
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Would be nice get for sure. We will see. Supposedly this is a done deal.
😂
Wanna bet posting rights on this one too?
I guarantee RayJ Dennis will not play for Illinois.
LKDog. Step up to the plate you pussy.
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RayJ or Tyger would be my guess. Either one of those options I’m down with. Honestly I might prefer RayJ with the mentality he has. And yes l, it’s RayJ as a done deal… as long as Tyger declines is the staff’s priority. I would honestly take RayJ right now in my opinion.
Lol can’t believe you idiots fall for 2 guys on Loyalty talking out their asses
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"Make a bet with me that I won't honor under any circumstance, you pussies."
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"Make a bet with me that I won't honor under any circumstance, you pussies."
Another good sig for Dom.
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On the side note of bickering, calling out each other's pussy, and pissing in their Wheaties each morning....basketball portal info:
Keatts at NC State is loading up this year. Gotten players from Kansas, ASU, Clemson, Butler so far to go with 2 4* freshman and losing 1 so far. 23-11 last year.
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"Make a bet with me that I won't honor under any circumstance, you pussies."
You’re already dead poster walking.
I’m getting rid of Dumbshit #2 LKDog next.
RayJ Dennis will not play for Illinois.
Tyger Campbell will not play for Illinois.
Take it to the bank.
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Aren't you banned from the bank?
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Aren't you banned from the bank?
No. He just doesn’t have any money to go to the bank. So technically no reason to go.
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No. He just doesn’t have any money to go to the bank. So technically no reason to go.
He still has checks though....
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You’re already dead poster walking.
I’m getting rid of Dumbshit #2 LKDog next.
RayJ Dennis will not play for Illinois.
Tyger Campbell will not play for Illinois.
Take it to the bank.
Nobody here is claiming anyone is staying or coming. Learn how to read you homeless virgin pedophile white trash piece of shit.
We are still waiting for the NIT results you promised you fucking pathetic moron. How about this- you provide those you can continue posting here.
Otherwise STFU.
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C'mon NITSqueaky.
How did Illinois do??
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Nobody here is claiming anyone is staying or coming.
You said it was a done deal.
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You said it was a done deal.
You are prime example of this county's failure at teaching reading.
Read what he typed again, you fucking idiot.
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You said it was a done deal.
No. They said it was a done deal, you fucking illiterate homeless pedophile retard.
Answer the question, bitch, or STFU and leave.
How did Illinois do in the NIT??
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Nothing to say?
Didn't think so.
Now STFU you little pathetic bitch.
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How do you figure?
I don't think he coached 4 sports.
SFA placed on NCAA probation, must vacate wins in four sports
"Administrators erred by counting all semester credit hours to determine academic eligibility instead of counting only credit hours that led to a degree, Ivey said."
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Underwood for sure knew the scheme that allowed his players to take swim class and stay eligible. Most good coaches would be making sure their guys took classes that helped them get degrees.
Like Dean Smith and Roy Williams?
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Nice of Dom to prove he doesn't actually know what got SFA in trouble.
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Hey Squeaky, will Underwood get another transfer or is the roster set? What are the voices in your head saying?
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Nice of Dom to prove he doesn't actually know what got SFA in trouble.
SFA could actually be his new sig line as in.....I am a SFA!
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We could have an interesting week or so coming up:
Quincy Gurrier is available....BU supposedly loves this guy, we have recruited him hard before. 6'8 190 PF/SF/Wing Senior
Noah Reynolds just decommitted from Wisky....Peoria Kid....pipeline open again? 6'3 190 soph PG.
Still need a strong interior player to share minutues with Dain.
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I believe Gurrier possibly visited. Would help.
https://writingillini.com/2023/04/19/illinois-basketball-former-4-star-transfer-portal-player-set-visit-illini/ (https://writingillini.com/2023/04/19/illinois-basketball-former-4-star-transfer-portal-player-set-visit-illini/)
The other guy would not help us much.
We need a true PG who can shoot enough that defenses have to guard him.
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I believe Gurrier possibly visited. Would help.
https://writingillini.com/2023/04/19/illinois-basketball-former-4-star-transfer-portal-player-set-visit-illini/ (https://writingillini.com/2023/04/19/illinois-basketball-former-4-star-transfer-portal-player-set-visit-illini/)
The other guy would not help us much.
We need a true PG who can shoot enough that defenses have to guard him.
The 2 comments ....
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This thread has gotten way off track. It, along with pretty much all of the others, is supposed to be Tempo and Spark arguing with each other and repeating themselves over and over.
You guys are talking about the transfer portal and possible players coming in.
Wtf.
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Guerrier makes no sense either way.
For Guerrier, he turns 24 in May. Why play for your 3rd college team in 5 years?
For Illinois, why take another 1 year guy? And a guy that isn’t good anyway. Good way to kill HS recruiting by taking these types of players. Shot 42/34/58 with more turnovers than assists. He’s a guy that won’t help you win but will help you curtail the development of young guys like Hansberry or Rodgers. Would be a bad take by a clueless staff so I actually expect it to happen.
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Hey NITSqueaky Homeless Pedophile.
STFU.
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Guerrier makes no sense either way.
For Guerrier, he turns 24 in May. Why play for your 3rd college team in 5 years?
For Illinois, why take another 1 year guy? And a guy that isn’t good anyway. Good way to kill HS recruiting by taking these types of players. Shot 42/34/58 with more turnovers than assists. He’s a guy that won’t help you win but will help you curtail the development of young guys like Hansberry or Rodgers. Would be a bad take by a clueless staff so I actually expect it to happen.
Well we don't usually "EXPECT" anything insightful or informative from you either so we got that going for us....
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Guerrier makes no sense either way.
For Guerrier, he turns 24 in May. Why play for your 3rd college team in 5 years?
For Illinois, why take another 1 year guy? And a guy that isn’t good anyway. Good way to kill HS recruiting by taking these types of players. Shot 42/34/58 with more turnovers than assists. He’s a guy that won’t help you win but will help you curtail the development of young guys like Hansberry or Rodgers. Would be a bad take by a clueless staff so I actually expect it to happen.
Senior leadership IF the 2 B1G's go away (you think they will), so Senior leadership that has played in a Power 5 conference isn't exactly a bad thing. Especially when you can rotate his time between at least 2-3 positions.
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Senior leadership IF the 2 B1G's go away (you think they will), so Senior leadership that has played in a Power 5 conference isn't exactly a bad thing. Especially when you can rotate his time between at least 2-3 positions.
You don’t get leadership out of guys who are there 9 months and then are gone.
But if we’re talking intangibles, bringing in multiple 1 year guys to play in front of multi year program guys is a good way to create animosity.
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You don’t get leadership out of guys who are there 9 months and then are gone.
But if we’re talking intangibles, bringing in multiple 1 year guys to play in front of multi year program guys is a good way to create animosity.
Hey NITSqueaky Homeless Pedophile.
STFU. You do not know anything about how this actually works.
19 of the 40 starters in the Elite Eight were transfers. Now go back to your flop house and wait for some drunk to call for a ride
you stupid motherfucker.
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Hey NITSqueaky Homeless Pedophile.
STFU. You do not know anything about how this actually works.
19 of the 40 starters in the Elite Eight were transfers. Now go back to your flop house and wait for some drunk to call for a ride
you stupid motherfucker.
19/40 were 1 year players? No they weren’t. Stop lying
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19/40 were 1 year players? No they weren’t. Stop lying
JFC, you cannot read either.
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This thread has gotten way off track. It, along with pretty much all of the others, is supposed to be Tempo and Spark arguing with each other and repeating themselves over and over.
You guys are talking about the transfer portal and possible players coming in.
Wtf.
Is it any wonder? Especially considering that 3/4 of the combatants might not be able to read at grade level. They may not be able to do math either.
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JFC, you cannot read either.
I think he means that 19/40 weren’t one year band-aids. I could be wrong. Their debate doesn’t interest me enough to follow along closely.
We’ll learn alot about Underwood in the next year/year and a half I suspect.
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JFC, you cannot read either.
No, you can’t.
Because my point is that one year transfers (who will be on the team exactly 1 season) is no way to build a team.
19/40 transfer starters in the Elite 8 were not 1 year guys.
Domask,Harmon, Shannon, Mayer are all 1 year guys.
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I think he means that 19/40 weren’t one year band-aids. I could be wrong. Their debate doesn’t interest me enough to follow along closely.
We’ll learn alot about Underwood in the next year/year and a half I suspect.
I know what he meant and what Lkdog actually wrote.
Dom has your Strawman Vibe going.
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I am serious when I say that we should institute a rule where every poster has to submit a monthly video from his or a bathroom. This place would get exponentially more fun.
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No, you can’t.
Because my point is that one year transfers (who will be on the team exactly 1 season) is no way to build a team.
19/40 transfer starters in the Elite 8 were not 1 year guys.
Domask,Harmon, Shannon, Mayer are all 1 year guys.
I know what you wrote. I know what Lkdog wrote. It took you awhile to communicate your point adequately.
We all know you are rivaling Tempo as HQ2 Strawman Poster of the Year. You may want to lay off whatever it was that gave you the bulging eyes and the sweats in the video.
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PAMan calling out others for using strawmen is worth the price of admission.
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For Guerrier, he turns 24 in May. Why play for your 3rd college team in 5 years?
Why collect lucrative NIL money and receive a valuable college basketball scholarship to continue his education?
Does someone really need to explain that to you?
The graduate transfer, NIL money, the one time penalty free transfer, generous waivers, and the free Covid year have altered way the college basketball rosters are assembled.
The generous waivers and extra Covid year are going away so things may stabilize a little bit.
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Do we have any good freshmen coming in? I’ve completely lost track in this era of one and done transfers.
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PAMan calling out others for using strawmen is worth the price of admission.
You are the King of Strawmen. There is ZERO doubt about that. Spark (purposefully) and you (unintentionally, as usual) have led a parade of strawmen here today, with Dom right behind you.
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Do we have any good freshmen coming in? I’ve completely lost track in this era of one and done transfers.
Amani Hansberry and Dravyn Gibbs-Lawhorn. Niccolo Moretti enrolled early.
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You are the King of Strawmen. There is ZERO doubt about that. Spark (purposefully) and you (unintentionally, as usual) have led a parade of strawmen here today, with Dom right behind you.
The guy who thinks you can’t enjoy a John Wick movie and also be against school shootings, and thinks listening to The Score is tantamount to being an insurrectionist is ripping others for creating strawmen. Only at the HQ, folks.
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The guy who thinks you can’t enjoy a John Wick movie and also be against school shootings, and thinks listening to The Score is tantamount to being an insurrectionist is ripping others for creating strawmen. Only at the HQ, folks.
And we are off to a great start...
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Why collect lucrative NIL money and receive a valuable college basketball scholarship to continue his education?
What booster is willing to pay a guy of Gurrier’s caliber? What would be the point?
I have to think Gurrier would make more money playing overseas than he would in NIL dollars. He’s a nobody
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What booster is willing to pay a guy of Gurrier’s caliber? What would be the point?
I have to think Gurrier would make more money playing overseas than he would in NIL dollars. He’s a nobody
It would be a violation for a booster to pay him.
You really have no clue what Quincy Guerrier would could earn in NIL on top of the value of an additional year of free education. BTW, he is a graduate transfer.
Why did Jacob Grandison play at his third college in 6 years? He already had a bachelor's and a master's from Illinois.
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It would be a violation for a booster to pay him.
You really have no clue what Quincy Guerrier would could earn in NIL on top of the value of an additional year of free education. BTW, he is a graduate transfer.
Why did Jacob Grandison play at his third college in 6 years? He already had a bachelor's and a master's from Illinois.
I assume Grandison wanted to play at a prestigious program in Duke. It wasn’t bc they paid him NIL money.
Boosters are funding NIl. What booster gives $200,000 to Illini Guardians and is ok giving that money to a nobody like Guerrier
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Hey Pedophile Nobody Homeless Fcktard.
STFU.
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You are the King of Strawmen. There is ZERO doubt about that. Spark (purposefully) and you (unintentionally, as usual) have led a parade of strawmen here today, with Dom right behind you.
<citation needed>
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<citation needed>
Too many to cite, but pick a post where you intentionally exaggerated Tempo's arguments, a post where Tempo attempted to frame the contours of your argument, and any post where Dom attempted to frame anything Lkdog typed in a post.
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Too many to cite, but pick a post where you intentionally exaggerated Tempo's arguments, a post where Tempo attempted to frame the contours of your argument, and any post where Dom attempted to frame anything Lkdog typed in a post.
Pick a fucking Lane you dope.
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Pick a fucking Lane you dope.
3 names, 3 lanes picked.
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Someone feel free to correct me on what was actually said (compared to how I’ve “framed” it). I believe I’ve yet to hear anyone get specific other than “strawman” and “you’re lying.”
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Someone feel free to correct me on what was actually said (compared to how I’ve “framed” it). I believe I’ve yet to hear anyone get specific other than “strawman” and “you’re lying.”
Go read your strawman thread.
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I think it's ok to post this here, but Creighton's pg Ryan Nembhard is going to the Zags.
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Go read your strawman thread.
Just as I suspected. You got nuthin.’
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Just as I suspected. You got nuthin.’
As expected, you continue to have your head up your derriere when it comes to your strawman antics.
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As expected, you continue to have your head up your derriere when it comes to your strawman antics.
Sorry, my attention is divided here. Supporting Trump today by tuning into Bernstein. Who gives me all of my opinions on everything.
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Sorry, my attention is divided here. Supporting Trump today by tuning into Bernstein. Who gives me all of my opinions on everything.
Guess it could be worse. You could be listening to the Big 89, WLS AM890.
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Guess it could be worse. You could be listening to the Big 89, WLS AM890.
No, it couldn’t be WORSE. The Cubs play on The Score. Anyone who listens to the station that carries the Cubs is clearly a hard right-winger or apologist.
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Guess it could be worse. You could be listening to the Big 89, WLS AM890.
Which begs the question. When is the last time you listened to an Illini game on the radio?
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No, it couldn’t be WORSE. The Cubs play on The Score. Anyone who listens to the station that carries the Cubs is clearly a hard right-winger or apologist.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go construct another strawman.
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No, it couldn’t be WORSE. The Cubs play on The Score. Anyone who listens to the station that carries the Cubs is clearly a hard right-winger or apologist.
An enabler at least. If you listened to the Big 89 you are clearly a hard right-winger or apologist.
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Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go construct another strawman.
Thinking you have at least 50 more to construct today.
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Which begs the question. When is the last time you listened to an Illini game on the radio?
Been a very very long time. Brian Barnhardt is the worst.
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An enabler at least. If you listened to the Big 89 you are clearly a hard right-winger or apologist.
Don’t go fucking back-tracking on me.
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Been a very very long time. Brian Barnhardt is the worst.
Even then, WIND or whatever the hell they were on clearly leaned Republican! How dare you support the GOP!
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Don’t go fucking back-tracking on me.
Go read the strawman thread. It is explained there. I cannot do much about your reading comprehension issues except note that Spark brings it to your attention regularly. Then you ignore him by doubling down like a Trumper.
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Even then, WIND or whatever the hell they were on clearly leaned Republican! How dare you support the GOP!
Clark Webber was a Republican? Hmmmm.
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Go read the strawman thread. It is explained there. I cannot do much about your reading comprehension issues except note that Spark brings it to your attention regularly. Then you ignore him by doubling down like a Trumper.
Like the majority of your posts, especially ones criticizing me. It’s largely incoherent gibberish.
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Like the majority of your posts, especially ones criticizing me. It’s largely incoherent gibberish.
Again, cannot do much about your lack of reading comprehension and inability to synthesize sentences.
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Trump 2024. And listen to The Score.
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That sounds like a good campaign ad, actually.
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Question. What are your thoughts on Liz Cheney, PAMan?
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A+ tier thread here guys, way to go
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A+ tier thread here guys, way to go
PAMan and Spark at the straws that stir the drink. Apparently PAMan also drank it.
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Question. What are your thoughts on Liz Cheney, PAMan?
That she looks to be "reasonable" is an indictment of the Trump GOP. Do not know what, if anything, she knows about football.
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A+ tier thread here guys, way to go
So, QAnon97, who do you think is in the portal thread is Illinois going to get that actually overcomes Underachiever's inability to get the team ready for the Sat/Sun game in The Tourney?
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So, QAnon97, who do you think is in the portal thread is Illinois going to get that actually overcomes Underachiever's inability to get the team ready for the Sat/Sun game in The Tourney?
no clue I'm not searching through 55 pages of crap to find info, I should probably start a new portal thread and title it "no tempos or pamans allowed"
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no clue I'm not searching through 55 pages of crap to find info, I should probably start a new portal thread and title it "no tempos or pamans allowed"
Guess what? There are none. This is a futile exercise. Like Spark ever expecting Tempo to frame Spark's arguments accurately.
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no clue I'm not searching through 55 pages of crap to find info, I should probably start a new portal thread and title it "no tempos or pamans allowed"
I tried to fix it…
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Guess what? There are none. This is a futile exercise. Like Spark ever expecting Tempo to frame Spark's arguments accurately.
Pick a fucking lane…
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Pick a fucking lane…
I have picked 2 lanes here: you can't argue without constructing strawmen or you lack basic reading comprehension skills. I think it is the first, but I would not be surprised if it was the second.
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I don't see why comparable high major coaches taking over comparable rebuilds would have such disparate results,
Yet in the last 50 years. One program has been “rebuilt” 3-4 times over several coaches, and the other, 50 years later is still waiting to be built. You think that’s just sheer dumb luck on Illinois’ part?
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I have picked 2 lanes here: you can't argue without constructing strawmen or you lack basic reading comprehension skills. I think it is the first, but I would not be surprised if it was the second.
Like I said, maybe stick to the deuce. Where you have at least some redeeming value as a poster.
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Wait, I get to pick how much 'redeeming value' you have as a poster?
Are you sure you want this, Tempo?
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Like I said, maybe stick to the deuce. Where you have at least some redeeming value as a poster.
Seems like I am hitting too close to home. Add more straw!
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Wait, I get to pick how much 'redeeming value' you have as a poster?
Are you sure you want this, Tempo?
Pot. Kettle. Straw....
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I think it's ok to post this here, but Creighton's pg Ryan Nembhard is going to the Zags.
No. This is off topic.
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No. This is off topic.
I don't know if he thought about coming to C-U. But then again, maybe he didn't.
We could use a pg.
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We supposedly contacted him, but don't think there was much traction.
Obviously hard to argue with a kid going to Gonzaga, despite their lack of history.
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Wait, I get to pick how much 'redeeming value' you have as a poster?
Are you sure you want this, Tempo?
Say whatever you want. I’ll just work on my context interpretation.
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Easier to wade through loyalty
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Obviously hard to argue with a kid going to Gonzaga, despite their lack of history.
Nicely done.
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Easier to wade through loyalty
You must have a good ad blocker.
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You must have a good ad blocker.
No, it actually is better than this shit.
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Zero people will be sad if you go post there instead
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Nicely done.
Yes, let’s use the rarest example of successful program building as a “reasonable model.”
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Zero people will be sad if you go post there instead
I'm good with JudgeJudy being here.
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You’re not that good at countering what people actually say, but you might be the best I’ve ever seen at eviscerating claims no one made.
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I'm good with JudgeJudy being here.
Me too, but if she wants to leave I doubt anyone will care too much.
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You’re not that good at countering what people actually say, but you might be the best I’ve ever seen at eviscerating claims no one made.
You talking to me or Judy?
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Stay here, judgejudy.
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Stay here, judgejudy.
He’s not going anywhere. Just like herpes.
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He’s not going anywhere. Just like herpes.
That was funny.
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Zero people will be sad if you go post there instead
I disagree. Just because you’ve got a problem doesn’t mean everybody else does.
Oh and there are plenty here who have a problem with you two’s bickering. So there’s that…
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He’s not going anywhere. Just like herpes.
Kudos…
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Kudos…
I figured you’d like that one.
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I disagree. Just because you’ve got a problem doesn’t mean everybody else does.
Oh and there are plenty here who have a problem with you two’s bickering. So there’s that…
Oh, I don’t think anyone really would give a shit if I left either - don’t mistake me.
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Oh, I don’t think anyone really would give a shit if I left either - don’t mistake me.
I would. I missed you.
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Anyone else, then.
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Keeping spark and Lk on the board is always a plus.
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Keeping spark and Lk on the board is always a plus.
I’ll let Spark stay if he brings IllTex and Beaker over from the Scout board.
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Easier to wade through loyalty
Yeah, I'll take pruman's Walken gifs over this.