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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: frankiew on February 24, 2023, 10:42:37 AM
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ole-miss-fires-kermit-davis-rebels-coach-had-just-two-winning-seasons-during-his-five-year-tenure/
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Another dumbass SEC move. Just wait until the season is over to can him.
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Chris Beard, your table is ready.
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Chris Beard, your table is ready.
Now this could be an interesting chapter in Robb's book on Chris Beard. Chapter title: Redemption in Dixie.
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Now this could be an interesting chapter in Robb's book on Chris Beard. Chapter title: Redemption in Dixie.
But are you familiar with his story?
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I know Beard is being looked at for Ole Miss....not sure that will be a big enough calling card for him though. Florida St. Hamilton is 75, and I could see Beard taking that job if it opens and is offered.
Recruiting grounds are loaded, familiar with the state, seems like a much bigger, enticing fit for a rebound than Ole Miss.
Degree of seperation here...Bill Self got Beard his job at Seminole St., Bobby Knight stole him away for TTech....
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who does Notre Dame hire?
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who does Notre Dame hire?
Porter Moser makes sense. Says he has no interest, but I’ll believe that when I’ve heard he’s turned them down.
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Porter Moser makes sense. Says he has no interest, but I’ll believe that when I’ve heard he’s turned them down.
Notre Dame will not hire Porter Moser unless many other people turn it down.
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Does Notre Dame go after Collins?
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Does Notre Dame go after Collins?
If they were smart they would....
Other coaches that could come into play that make sense is:
Buzz Williams
Bobby Hurley
Fred Hoiberg
Darian DeVries
Pat Kelsey
Micah Shrewsberry
Any of these guys could and would do well with ND imo.
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If they were smart they would....
Other coaches that could come into play that make sense is:
Buzz Williams
Bobby Hurley
Fred Hoiberg
Darian DeVries
Pat Kelsey
Micah Shrewsberry
Any of these guys could and would do well with ND imo.
Wow Hurley has been at Zona St for 8 years?!?!
I remember in 17-18 they got to #3 at one point
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Boeheim out at Cuse. Good fucking riddance.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35813757/syracuse-basketball-coach-jim-boeheim-47-seasons
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Texas Tech job open. I doubt Underachiever cites The Scripture, which would probably be considered a plus at this point. Maybe they are interested in him.
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Boeheim out at Cuse. Good fucking riddance.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35813757/syracuse-basketball-coach-jim-boeheim-47-seasons
Wow. They actually did it.
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Texas Tech job open. I doubt Underachiever cites The Scripture, which would probably be considered a plus at this point. Maybe they are interested in him.
Maybe Underwood would have been successful this year had he quoted the same scripture as Adams.
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Maybe Underwood would have been successful this year had he quoted the same scripture as Adams.
If only Breal were here to clear this one up.
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I would not be against Underwood going to Texas Tech. I’m not sure we’d get a better coach, but I’d be willing to try. Feels like this program is stagnating.
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I would not be against Underwood going to Texas Tech. I’m not sure we’d get a better coach, but I’d be willing to try. Feels like this program is stagnating.
Well, maybe if you stopped demanding S16s every year the coaches would not keep moving on.
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Well, maybe if you stopped demanding S16s every year the coaches would not keep moving on.
Huh?
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Texas Tech job open. I doubt Underachiever cites The Scripture, which would probably be considered a plus at this point. Maybe they are interested in him.
Funny to say the least, a snowball has a better chance in Hell, than TT does of getting BU, or BU leaving.
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Funny to say the least, a snowball has a better chance in Hell, than TT does of getting BU, or BU leaving.
Yeah don’t really understand it either. People really wanna have the best coach we’ve had since Self, leave. Weird.
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Yeah don’t really understand it either. People really wanna have the best coach we’ve had since Self, leave. Weird.
Let's be honest that that is not really saying much.
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Funny to say the least, a snowball has a better chance in Hell, than TT does of getting BU, or BU leaving.
I have more dreams than just those about Saquon Barkley and Justin Fields playing in the same backfield while having clean driving records.
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Let's be honest that that is not really saying much.
Brad Underwood is the Khalil Mack trade of college basketball coaches. One really good year that ends in a brutal playoff exit then clinging to relevancy after that.
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I have more dreams than just those about Saquon Barkley and Justin Fields playing in the same backfield while having clean driving records.
But that is the gold standard of dreams, though.
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Brad Underwood is the Khalil Mack trade of college basketball coaches. One really good year that ends in a brutal playoff exit then clinging to relevancy after that.
I hope you are wrong, but fear you are not.
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Brad Underwood is the Khalil Mack trade of college basketball coaches. One really good year that ends in a brutal playoff exit then clinging to relevancy after that.
That's a solid analogy.
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But that is the gold standard of dreams, though.
My gold standard of dreams usually involves something positive happening with my penis and an attractive member of the opposite sex.
Standards can differ, I suppose.
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My gold standard of dreams usually involves something positive happening with my penis and an attractive member of the opposite sex.
Standards can differ, I suppose.
Yeah, I was thinking along these lines but didn't want to start in with Tempo before lunch as I have stuff to do today.
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Will Georgetown try and steal Underachiever? Patrick Ewing... He gawn.
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Will Georgetown try and steal Underachiever? Patrick Ewing... He gawn.
Oh God, please don’t do this every day all off season with coaching openings please. It’s giving me nightmares about Tempo and the Bears off-season regarding the draft, FA, dreams, and speculation.
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Oh God, please don’t do this every day all off season with coaching openings please. It’s giving me nightmares about Tempo and the Bears off-season regarding the draft, FA, dreams, and speculation.
You were the guy creating your own mock drafts.
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You were the guy creating your own mock drafts.
I know, right! 😁
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Mike Anderson and Josh Pastner...they gawn.
Two more programs who could steal Underwood away
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Mike Anderson and Josh Pastner...they gawn.
Two more programs who could steal Underwood away
Spark hates you.
I love you though. ThePAMangetsyou.com
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Mike Anderson and Josh Pastner...they gawn.
Two more programs who could steal Underwood away
Neither of them are options, BU has no connections that I am aware of to either...that said, take him. I would be more than okay with Frazier as next guy up/
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Yeah don’t really understand it either. People really wanna have the best coach we’ve had since Self, leave. Weird.
Frazier if he does.
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Georgia Tech is one of the worst jobs to have in ACC
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You were the guy creating your own mock drafts.
Tomorrow the NFL Network has HOURS of Free Agent Frenzy programming scheduled. Will you be watching, Temp0?
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There's apparently buzz with Shrewsbury to Georgetown, which is weird because he's a midwestern guy and the Georgetown job is not what it was 20 years ago.
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There's apparently buzz with Shrewsbury to Georgetown, which is weird because he's a midwestern guy and the Georgetown job is not what it was 20 years ago.
Figured it'd be Notre Dame as he's spent his entire college career as a player/assistant in the state of Indiana prior to PSU.
Whatever gets him the fuck out of the Big Ten works for me.
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Tomorrow the NFL Network has HOURS of Free Agent Frenzy programming scheduled. Will you be watching, Temp0?
No.
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No.
So after months of speculating which players the Bears should pursue, you won't tune in?
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So after months of speculating which players the Bears should pursue, you won't tune in?
I’ve already got an idea of who that might be, and I already get more than enough sports stimulation. Don’t need more, I’m good.
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There's apparently buzz with Shrewsbury to Georgetown, which is weird because he's a midwestern guy and the Georgetown job is not what it was 20 years ago.
Not weird.
When you limit your available coaches to 6% of the US Population, then Shrews goes to the top of the list.
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Robb will be busy writing the next chapter for The Chris Beard Story
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Robb will be busy writing the next chapter for The Chris Beard Story
Dude… he’s dead.
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Dude… he’s dead.
Chris Beard is alive and kicking.
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Chris Beard is alive and kicking.
Yeah, thankfully his wife didn’t kill him. According to reports though, nothing happened. Weird.
Robb, Robb is dead.
If I was IVMP I’d say you’re fucking stupid and you can’t read you old motherfucker! BUT I’m not a low thinker, so you’re good. Just know that you’re now put on notice.
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Yeah, thankfully his wife didn’t kill him. According to reports though, nothing happened. Weird.
Robb, Robb is dead.
If I was IVMP I’d say you’re fucking stupid and you can’t read you old motherfucker! BUT I’m not a low thinker, so you’re good. Just know that you’re now put on notice.
Thank you. Appreciate the courtesy. You know Spark is going to be pissed if Robb is not dead and shows back up here, right?
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Thank you. Appreciate the courtesy. You know Spark is going to be pissed if Robb is not dead and shows back up here, right?
You couldn't be more right.
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Just know that you’re now put on notice.
👀
:D
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Yeah, thankfully his wife didn’t kill him. According to reports though, nothing happened. Weird.
Robb, Robb is dead.
If I was IVMP I’d say you’re fucking stupid and you can’t read you old motherfucker! BUT I’m not a low thinker, so you’re good. Just know that you’re now put on notice.
If Robb died, it was very recently since he tweeted a couple of days ago. Unless Heather is tweeting for him.
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If Robb died, it was very recently since he tweeted a couple of days ago. Unless Heather is tweeting for him.
Maybe it is his son, Regggie.
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If Robb died, it was very recently since he tweeted a couple of days ago. Unless Heather is tweeting for him.
Does Robb have kids?
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Does Robb have kids?
None that he knows of or cared enough about to raise.
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k9
Does Robb have kids?
Maybe Tempo can ask him on The Twitter.
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None that he knows of or cared enough about to raise.
Are you the author of The Robb McColley Story or something?
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If Robb died, it was very recently since he tweeted a couple of days ago. Unless Heather is tweeting for him.
you follow robb on twitter?
lmao
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35850903/sources-georgia-tech-finalizing-damon-stoudamire-hire
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you follow robb on twitter?
lmao
Apparently.
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I follow 1,757 accounts.
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Apparently.
I bet he's a blue checkmark
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I follow 1,757 accounts.
Damn must be hard to keep up
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Damn must be hard to keep up
In more ways than one it appears with the recent developments with the lady in his life 😔
Sorry, couldn’t miss the opportunity. It was set up in the tee…
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Temple another potential bidder for Underachiever.
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No Self today...wonder if he's just gonna call it a career
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Hard to believe the FD coach could develop an effective D game plan for Perdue but Underachiever (and quite a few other B1G coaches) couldn't.
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Hard to believe the FD coach could develop an effective D game plan for Perdue but Underachiever (and quite a few other B1G coaches) couldn't.
We don't have 6 Harris and 2 Rodgers who can also shoot a little bit.
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We don't have 6 Harris and 2 Rodgers who can also shoot a little bit.
Maybe Underachiever doesn't eat as many beans as the FDU coach.
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Maybe Underachiever doesn't eat as many beans as the FDU coach.
Maybe the FDU coach doesn't have a bunch of bi-polars who won't listen, or who will listen but won't execute.
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Maybe the FDU coach doesn't have a bunch of bi-polars who won't listen, or who will listen but won't execute.
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Good one, Tempo. It is never Underachiever's fault!
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"It's our fault, kinda because he's calling them and we're not listening to him or we're not doing 'em."
"Something I can learn -- something we can learn as a team is probably doing a better job of following Coach's game plan. Throughout the year we had a lot of games where the Coach would tell us what the other team would do, and they would do it and it would be because of our mistakes."
"It's not hard to swallow, it's expected when you don't move the ball, when you don't execute."
3 players post game.
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"It's our fault, kinda because he's calling them and we're not listening to him or we're not doing 'em."
"Something I can learn -- something we can learn as a team is probably doing a better job of following Coach's game plan. Throughout the year we had a lot of games where the Coach would tell us what the other team would do, and they would do it and it would be because of our mistakes."
"It's not hard to swallow, it's expected when you don't move the ball, when you don't execute."
3 players post game.
Maybe Underachiever should take a communications class so people will not tune him out. Betting the Princeton guys listen to their coach.
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Imagine that, players accepting blame after a loss. Have never seen that before. Did Underwood do the same? Honest question.
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Maybe Underachiever should take a communications class so people will not tune him out. Betting the Princeton guys listen to their coach.
It didn't work for him this year, but Greg Gard said something about looking for winning HS QBs who's a winning HS PG.
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Anyone got a Charlie Ward hanging around out there?
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Imagine that, players accepting blame after a loss. Have never seen that before. Did Underwood do the same? Honest question.
Nope. Just went on about how we were blah blah blah blah one of the youngest teams in the country blah blah blah.
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Maybe Underachiever should take a communications class so people will not tune him out. Betting the Princeton guys listen to their coach.
And don't allow the players to run the asylum.
*CoughcoughMayercoughcough*
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Also if you're going to bring in upperclassmen through the transfer portal they need to be more like Sam McLaurin or Andres Feliz than Matthew freakin Mayer.
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Ehh to me the bigger problem was putting all the eggs in the Skyy Clark basket and leaving a scholarship open that could have been used on another guard or backup big. Mayer should have been a great complimentary piece rather than getting the volume he got. He and Shannon are both too streaky to be the go-to guys. We also had a really weird year where guys like Epps and Melendez just forgot how to shoot a basketball down the stretch. And we didn’t have a healthy Goode for the nights we got Bad Matt.
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Melendez's shot was affected by a shoulder injury. He still played because of defense.
Hawkins, Melendez, Shannon all said players didn't listen to the coaches, did not execute what they were supposed to run.
Mayer said he ran what he thought was best.
Hawkins mentioned promises to guys, a guard quitting on the team
BReal's alter ego implied Clark faked the shoulder injury when he got benched. Also that Perrin left because of unmet expectations/ unkept promises.
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Melendez's shot was affected by a shoulder injury. He still played because of defense.
Hawkins, Melendez, Shannon all said players did listen to the coaches, did not execute what they were supposed to run.
Mayer said he ran what he thought was best.
Hawkins mentioned promises to guys, a guard quitting on the team
BReal's alter ego implied Clark faked the shoulder injury when he got benched. Also that Perrin left because of unmet expectations/ unkept promises.
Sounds like we have an issue with a coach making too many promises and players not listening to him.
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To me it is not hard. Explain to prospects, parents, and handlers how the player / their skills fits into plans.
If they are probably good enough to project as starters, tell them. Make it clear they will need to meet expectations and earn playing time.
If they need further development, say so. Explain the plan and timeline.
Then the NIL people contact them ...
Promising playing time is asking for problems.
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Assess the impact and reaction to NIL and the portal. Make changes in the approach as a result of this year's results.
Stop going with the "we're young" excuse. Who's responsible for leaving us with 3 freshman guards ?
After Curbelo and now Clark, assess the approach to the point guard position.
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Cut the iso ball bullshit
Revoke the scholarships of anyone who attempts a step back three
Assuming Hawkins is back, make it crystal fucking clear that he is never to be the point man ever again.
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Assuming Hawkins is back, make it crystal fucking clear that he is never to be the point man ever again.
Do you believe this was his decision versus the decision of the coaching staff?
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Do you believe this was his decision versus the decision of the coaching staff?
It was the coaching staff's decision. And not a very good one.
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Do you believe this was his decision versus the decision of the coaching staff?
Coach and staff
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Kind of hard to bitch about Hawkins playing "point" when he was put in that position. May have even hurt his draft status?
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Cut the iso ball bullshit
Revoke the scholarships of anyone who attempts a step back three
Assuming Hawkins is back, make it crystal fucking clear that he is never to be the point man ever again.
I get so sick of a guy dribbling beyond the 3 line and 4 guys standing around waiting to shoot 3s. That just makes playing D easier. MOVE. Stupid offensive coaching.
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The offensive and defensive coordinators had a tough year.
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Ed Cooley to leave Providence to go to Georgetown it looks like
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Ed Cooley to leave Providence to go to Georgetown it looks like
That's too bad. Say it ain't so, Ed.
The wiki says his current position is HC, at Georgetown.
I would have guessed Ed had more time in at Providence than since 2011. But that's what the wiki says.
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Big Ricky now at St. Johns.
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Pitino will be 71 this year. May be the oldest coach ever hired to a new High Major job right?
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I’ll bet he smashes.
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I’ll bet he smashes.
He's gonna love Curbelo lol
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Mike Brey to South Florida. His retirement lasted like 5 minutes.
Shrewsberry in talks with Notre Dame.
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Mike Brey to South Florida. His retirement lasted like 5 minutes.
Long enough to get sick of the wife.
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Jobu is en fuego today
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PAMan endorses misogyny. Except when it comes to transgenders winning awards.
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PAMan endorses misogyny. Except when it comes to transgenders winning awards.
It you had a wife, you might get the joke.
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It you had a wife, you might get the joke.
Yeah, I think I get the joke. It’s a joke that’s been made for hundreds of years. Pretty sure George Burns made a similar joke in 1942.
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Yeah, I think I get the joke. It’s a joke that’s been made for hundreds of years. Pretty sure George Burns made a similar joke in 1942.
Take my wife, please!
Say goodnight, Gracie.
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Wasn't much to the joke. My inlaws were married for almost 50 years when my FIL passed. They got along great while they were both working. I think it was mostly because she worked days and he worked nights. When they retired, they did nothing but fight and bicker.
I'm guessing this is common in marriages.
Hell, look what happened to Brady. He couldn't stay retired for a week the first time, lol.
See that? I just compared Tom Brady to my inlaws and to Mike Brey.
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When they retired, they did nothing but fight and bicker.
I hear ya.
50 year friends of MrsMn and mine are both recently retired.
We now commonly refer to them as the Bickersons.
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It's starting to sound like Brads been asked to step down from illinois or take up a new gig somewhere else.
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See that? I just compared Tom Brady to my inlaws and to Mike Brey.
This was reasonably funny.
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It's starting to sound like Brads been asked to step down from illinois or take up a new gig somewhere else.
That seems extreme, but don’t go trying to get my morning wood up.
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It's starting to sound like Brads been asked to step down from illinois or take up a new gig somewhere else.
This makes sense if you have Sean Miller locked up. Kinda sounds like bullshit tho.
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It's starting to sound like Brads been asked to step down from illinois or take up a new gig somewhere else.
🤔 I highly doubt this, but hey, who knows.
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This makes sense if you have Sean Miller locked up. Kinda sounds like bullshit tho.
Smells like the south farms.
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Yeah how quickly all that turned sour and the apparent rumored relationship between Whitman and Underwood. I call bullshit. Whitman does not strike me as a guy that does things this way and he is loyal to his coaches until he has reason not to be. Who knows, maybe he did say fuck off to Underwood after he looked into Texas. 🤷🏻♂️
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Who knows, maybe he did say fuck off to Underwood after he looked into Texas. 🤷🏻♂️
Sounds like something Guenther would do.
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Sounds like something Guenther would do.
I believe ThePAMan has accused him of being Guentheresque when he got hired if I’m not mistaken…
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I believe ThePAMan has accused him of being Guentheresque when he got hired if I’m not mistaken…
He definitely seems to be a chip off the old block. Probably not as cheap and narrow-minded though.
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I actually think Whitman has hit some homeruns and has been extremely successful as the Illinois AD. I couldn’t say the same for Guenther.
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He definitely seems to be a chip off the old block. Probably not as cheap and narrow-minded though.
Let's hope so.
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Let's hope so.
I think he’s kind of demonstrated that already?
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It's starting to sound like Brads been asked to step down from illinois or take up a new gig somewhere else.
honestly I find this very hard to believe
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honestly I find this very hard to believe
Me, too. I’m sure he’s feeling pressure, but I doubt he’s being pressured to leave.
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honestly I find this very hard to believe
Same. Would be completely unprecedented in JW's tenure. Only possible explanation is if there's been a total breakdown of the bro-ship and JW is being a petty bitch.
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That is absolutely not true. LOL.
Our fans, I swear to fucking God.
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I agree that it sounds like a long stretch but the source of whom the chatter is emitting from is what is raising the eyebrows. The person has had a rather solid archive of being accurate in the past.
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They're fucking with you if they told you Brad Underwood is being asked to step down or find another job.
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That seems extreme, but don’t go trying to get my morning wood up.
You're an Underwood hater now too?
Shocked at how many people want to start over. Those Weber and Groce years were such a blast. Frankly those guys are probably closer to the best case scenario if Underwood left right now than the worst. The number of coaches who are definitely better than Underwood is small, and the number we could get of those guys is pretty close to zero.
Possible it's an upgrade, for sure, but certainly less than 50/50 shot at that.
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I actually think Whitman has hit some homeruns and has been extremely successful as the Illinois AD. I couldn’t say the same for Guenther.
Guenther hired Bill Self.
The Underwood hire was an A-level home run. I maintain that Lovie Smith was never a home run or a particularly good idea despite the fan enthusiasm for it. Bielema was a good, solid hire.
Retaining John Groce is still his worst personnel decision.
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That is absolutely not true. LOL.
Our fans, I swear to fucking God.
Most of us on here have acknowledged that this sounds like bullshit.
As far as whether Underwood stays or goes, I'm not passionate about it one way or the other. He's a good coach, but this year was pretty damn rough. I don't want him to be fired, but if he finds something else, see ya.
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I think he’s kind of demonstrated that already?
Through the lens of Illini Standard Incompetence, sure. But the jury may still be out.
1. His first pick at WBB coach stunk. The new one has been good in year one. Let's see what happens.
2. Hired Lovie. He bombed. Then hired Bielema off the scrap heap. Granted Bielema has done some great things with some of Lovie's guys. Let's see what happens.
3. Kept Groce even though he sucked ass and then hired Underachiever. He got the program back to where it should be. He has underachieved, though, relative to some of the talent brought in, has he not? Let's see what happens.
Also, it appears Underachiever is pushing Guenther Jr.'s hand, not the other way around.
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Same. Would be completely unprecedented in JW's tenure. Only possible explanation is if there's been a total breakdown of the bro-ship and JW is being a petty bitch.
Or, Underachiever is a poorly dressed asshole that yells at black kids. Salute to ChicagoFan!
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Or, Underachiever is a poorly dressed asshole that yells at black kids. Salute to ChicagoFan!
ChicagoFan, lol. Somewhere, that dude is fucking Tracy Abrams in the butt.
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Those Weber and Groce years were such a blast. Frankly those guys are probably closer to the best case scenario if Underwood left right now than the worst. The number of coaches who are definitely better than Underwood is small, and the number we could get of those guys is pretty close to zero.
Sean Miller is alleged to be the guy who is in if/when Underachiever leaves.
Why Underachiever would want to leave is beyond me given the number of "merry men" Illini fans who are just thankful that the team does well in the B1G regular season and make excuses when he loses in the second round to Porter Moser.
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Or, Underachiever is a poorly dressed asshole that yells at black kids. Salute to ChicagoFan!
I like the used car salesman sport coat look. Classy like Jim's Steakhouse. Way better than these schulbs wearing track suit tops.
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ChicagoFan, lol. Somewhere, that dude is fucking Tracy Abrams in the butt.
That dude probably had the biggest boners each time Underachiever flamed out during The Tourney.
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Most of us on here have acknowledged that this sounds like bullshit.
As far as whether Underwood stays or goes, I'm not passionate about it one way or the other. He's a good coach, but this year was pretty damn rough. I don't want him to be fired, but if he finds something else, see ya.
It speaks highly to the job he's done here that this year was pretty damn rough, a year we were a lock for a tournament bid.
We'd made one tournament in the 6 years before we hired him.
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Through the lens of Illini Standard Incompetence, sure. But the jury may still be out.
1. His first pick at WBB coach stunk. The new one has been good in year one. Let's see what happens.
2. Hired Lovie. He bombed. Then hired Bielema off the scrap heap. Granted Bielema has done some great things with some of Lovie's guys. Let's see what happens.
3. Kept Groce even though he sucked ass and then hired Underachiever. He got the program back to where it should be. He has underachieved, though, relative to some of the talent brought in, has he not? Let's see what happens.
Also, it appears Underachiever is pushing Guenther Jr.'s hand, not the other way around.
Depends what you mean by "some of the talent brought in", I guess.
He brought in Ayo and Kofi, both 30-50 type recruits, and they were All Americans. They were a 1-seed. Yes, they flamed out - really the only true tournament upset Underwood's been a part of here - but the idea that that was underachieving based on 'the talent he brought in' is interesting. The expectations were only so high to begin with because those guys produced much more than was reasonable to expect from guys with their recruiting rankings - the tourney disappointment only existed because of the success he got out of those guys, which was NOT guaranteed. Most #46 ranked recruits don't turn into two time All Americans.
Kofi was ranked one spot worse than Omar Payne out of HS. I think Underwood deserves some kind of credit for him being a two-time All American, but instead most of the narrative is about how disappointing Underwood's been.
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Sean Miller is alleged to be the guy who is in if/when Underachiever leaves.
Why Underachiever would want to leave is beyond me given the number of "merry men" Illini fans who are just thankful that the team does well in the B1G regular season and make excuses when he loses in the second round to Porter Moser.
And Brad Stevens was in too. Would be an incredibly stupid reason to ask Underwood to leave.
What's funny is if you asked Arizona fans they'd complain about Miller's lack of a Final Four.
If Underwood's gone, chances are good that we are terrible next year because surely a large part of our core would leave. Doesn't mean that is the end-all be-all at all, but our fans obviously will lose it and turn on the guy immediately. It will be an uphill battle for whoever the next guy is, no doubt.
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It speaks highly to the job he's done here that this year was pretty damn rough, a year we were a lock for a tournament bid.
We'd made one tournament in the 6 years before we hired him.
That perspective does get lost in the shuffle of some really rough looking b-ball games this year. But it is a good point.
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Depends what you mean by "some of the talent brought in", I guess.
He brought in Ayo and Kofi, both 30-50 type recruits, and they were All Americans. They were a 1-seed. Yes, they flamed out - really the only true tournament upset Underwood's been a part of here - but the idea that that was underachieving based on 'the talent he brought in' is interesting. The expectations were only so high to begin with because those guys produced much more than was reasonable to expect from guys with their recruiting rankings - the tourney disappointment only existed because of the success he got out of those guys, which was NOT guaranteed. Most #46 ranked recruits don't turn into two time All Americans.
Kofi was ranked one spot worse than Omar Payne out of HS. I think Underwood deserves some kind of credit for him being a two-time All American, but instead most of the narrative is about how disappointing Underwood's been.
Sure, he deserves some credit for him being a 2x All American. He's a competent coach. He has not proven to be a Top 10 Paid Coach though, has he?
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And Brad Stevens was in too. Would be an incredibly stupid reason to ask Underwood to leave.
What's funny is if you asked Arizona fans they'd complain about Miller's lack of a Final Four.
If Underwood's gone, chances are good that we are terrible next year because surely a large part of our core would leave. Doesn't mean that is the end-all be-all at all, but our fans obviously will lose it and turn on the guy immediately. It will be an uphill battle for whoever the next guy is, no doubt.
I do not believe he is being asked to leave. I think maybe he is a guy chasing cash while he can. (And maybe a little thin skinned if there are boosters in his ear because they are pissed about shelling bucks out for, say, Skyy Clark only to see him leave?)
As for the "core" (which is what at this point?), doesn't it depend on if JW is Mike Thomas or someone who can actually upgrade the position from Underachiever?
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You're an Underwood hater now too?
Shocked at how many people want to start over. Those Weber and Groce years were such a blast. Frankly those guys are probably closer to the best case scenario if Underwood left right now than the worst. The number of coaches who are definitely better than Underwood is small, and the number we could get of those guys is pretty close to zero.
Possible it's an upgrade, for sure, but certainly less than 50/50 shot at that.
Hater? No. But I’m not a big fan. I’d be perfectly fine moving on. Realizing that we could get someone worse than him is totally on the table. He’ll keep us competent; I just don’t think his arrow is pointing up, though.
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I do not believe he is being asked to leave. I think maybe he is a guy chasing cash while he can. (And maybe a little thin skinned if there are boosters in his ear because they are pissed about shelling bucks out for, say, Skyy Clark only to see him leave?)
As for the "core" (which is what at this point?), doesn't it depend on if JW is Mike Thomas or someone who can actually upgrade the position from Underachiever?
The core is Hawkins, Epps, Rodgers, Harris, Melendez, Goode, TSJ. Some of those guys may be gone anyway, but if Underwood moves on I expect most of them to hit the portal. Would take a herculean effort for us to be decent next year in that scenario, we will be starting from close to scratch.
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Part of the reason I’d be ok with Underwood leaving is I think there are some good, fairly proven coaches who could be snagged. Whether Whitman has what it takes to snag them, not sure. I think the last 2-3 years has been a good time to be in the market for a coach.
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Part of the reason I’d be ok with Underwood leaving is I think there are some good, fairly proven coaches who could be snagged. Whether Whitman has what it takes to snag them, not sure. I think the last 2-3 years has been a good time to be in the market for a coach.
I agree with you here, Tempo.
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I think Underwood got a little lucky with Kofi. He was underrated coming in. I think Orlando Antigua was a big part of the secret sauce that is now gone. JMO
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The core is Hawkins, Epps, Rodgers, Harris, Melendez, Goode, TSJ. Some of those guys may be gone anyway, but if Underwood moves on I expect most of them to hit the portal. Would take a herculean effort for us to be decent next year in that scenario, we will be starting from close to scratch.
Sure. But depending upon who the new coach is, some who are thinking of leaving may wind up staying. Also, regardless of who the coach is, some may get great NIL offers that they simply cannot refuse.
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I am on Team Tempo right now.
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Yep, now that cheating is essentially legal, why settle for a merely competent coach?
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Yep, now that cheating is essentially legal, why settle for a merely competent coach?
Another excellent point.
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Now that cheating is legal, don’t the cheaters lose their competitive advantage?
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Now that cheating is legal, don’t the cheaters lose their competitive advantage?
Yes. So you need to come up with new, creative ways to cheat.
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Now that cheating is legal, don’t the cheaters lose their competitive advantage?
No, because some are better at it than others. See: Weber, Bruce (currently employed by B1G Network).
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Part of the reason I’d be ok with Underwood leaving is I think there are some good, fairly proven coaches who could be snagged. Whether Whitman has what it takes to snag them, not sure. I think the last 2-3 years has been a good time to be in the market for a coach.
Lorenzo Romar’s available.
I kid, I kid, but you do this every time we have an opening. The chances of us getting the guys I assume you’re talking about are not good.
It could work out, for sure, but we would almost certainly be taking a guy who isn’t established but has had a few good years and a tourney upset or two.
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I think Underwood got a little lucky with Kofi. He was underrated coming in. I think Orlando Antigua was a big part of the secret sauce that is now gone. JMO
It’s really easy to be critical when you hammer any mistakes but write off anything deserving of praise to “luck”.
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It’s really easy to be critical when you hammer any mistakes but write off anything deserving of praise to “luck”.
Underwood deserves praise for resurrecting the program. Not sure he deserves praise for developing Kofi. Kofi was just a different animal, and that was evident early in his career.
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Underwood deserves praise for resurrecting the program. Not sure he deserves praise for developing Kofi. Kofi was just a different animal, and that was evident early in his career.
And yet, nobody seemed to know it until he played for Underwood and went from being an Omar Payne level recruit when he arrived on campus to a two-time All American with his jersey in the rafters when he left.
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And yet, nobody seemed to know it until he played for Underwood and went from being an Omar Payne level recruit when he arrived on campus to a two-time All American with his jersey in the rafters when he left.
If only Underachiever found 3-5 more diamonds in the rough like Kofi.
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Lorenzo Romar’s available.
I kid, I kid, but you do this every time we have an opening. The chances of us getting the guys I assume you’re talking about are not good.
It could work out, for sure, but we would almost certainly be taking a guy who isn’t established but has had a few good years and a tourney upset or two.
Haha! You bring up an excellent example of how I’ve been memed. Tempo loves Reggie Theus. Tempo loves Romar. 3 to 5. Tempo hates white people. Tempo hates white coaches. Tempo doesn’t care if we win as long as our coaches are black! I could go on, but you get the point.
I’d have hired Pitino in a heartbeat if he was interested. Top 5 coach of all-time and still has juice. Musselman and Oates I think could be lured (but both haven’t looked good off the court lately). Hell, it’s only been one year but I’d consider poaching Jerome Tang. That dude has flipped that program in one year. I’d love to hire Sean Miller. Would be surprised if Xavier is his permanent job. I’d take any of those guys over Underwood, and I think Illinois has been rehabilitated to the point to where we are an attractive destination again.
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Dang. I just realized Bruce Weber is 66.
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Haha! You bring up an excellent example of how I’ve been memed. Tempo loves Reggie Theus. Tempo loves Romar. 3 to 5. Tempo hates white people. Tempo hates white coaches. Tempo doesn’t care if we win as long as our coaches are black! I could go on, but you get the point.
I’d have hired Pitino in a heartbeat if he was interested. Top 5 coach of all-time and still has juice. Musselman and Oates I think could be lured (but both haven’t looked good off the court lately). Hell, it’s only been one year but I’d consider poaching Jerome Tang. That dude has flipped that program in one year. I’d love to hire Sean Miller. Would be surprised if Xavier is his permanent job. I’d take any of those guys over Underwood, and I think Illinois has been rehabilitated to the point to where we are an attractive destination again.
I figured you were smart enough - especially after I wrote 'I kid' twice - to know I was just pokin' a little fun.
I love that you mention Tang, a guy with one year coaching who will have to rebuild his entire roster next year. Maybe he'll turn out great, but would be a horrible decision to hire him based on one season. If he is consistently in the tournament then he will obviously be in hot demand but he's a long way from that. People thought Hubert Davis was awesome coming into this season, and then he took the preseason #1 team and missed the tourney with them.
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I don’t think anybody thought Hubert Davis was awesome, but hey, whatever…
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But yes, Spark, I agree with you on Underwood and our fan base. Although if he leaves I’m in the Tempo camp of go get Sean Miller and I won’t be upset.
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I figured you were smart enough - especially after I wrote 'I kid' twice - to know I was just pokin' a little fun.
I love that you mention Tang, a guy with one year coaching who will have to rebuild his entire roster next year. Maybe he'll turn out great, but would be a horrible decision to hire him based on one season. If he is consistently in the tournament then he will obviously be in hot demand but he's a long way from that. People thought Hubert Davis was awesome coming into this season, and then he took the preseason #1 team and missed the tourney with them.
I knew you were kidding. That’s why I said “haha.” I wasn’t sniping at you. My comment was aimed at PAMan and the like. My apologies for not making that clearer.
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I love that you mention Tang, a guy with one year coaching who will have to rebuild his entire roster next year. Maybe he'll turn out great, but would be a horrible decision to hire him based on one season. If he is consistently in the tournament then he will obviously be in hot demand but he's a long way from that.
You missed a "he could use 3-5 more seasons" reference here.
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But yes, Spark, I agree with you on Underwood and our fan base.
He is going to be pissed you agree with him.
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But yes, Spark, I agree with you on Underwood and our fan base. Although if he leaves I’m in the Tempo camp of go get Sean Miller and I won’t be upset.
This'll be the discussion right up until we hire the dude from Furman or wherever.
We do this every single time we have an opening.
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You missed a "he could use 3-5 more seasons" reference here.
“Haha”
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This'll be the discussion right up until we hire the dude from Furman or wherever.
We do this every single time we have an opening.
If Guenther, Jr. is not in fact "Guenther, Jr." as a few have proclaimed, this should not be an issue.
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And yet, nobody seemed to know it until he played for Underwood and went from being an Omar Payne level recruit when he arrived on campus to a two-time All American with his jersey in the rafters when he left.
Occasionally somewhat unheralded guys come in and shine right away. Wasn’t Alonzo Mourning like the 96th rated recruit in the country coming out?
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This'll be the discussion right up until we hire the dude from Furman or wherever.
We do this every single time we have an opening.
Our fanbase assuming anything about Underwood on the hot seat is delusional thinking.
I do think Miller would be attainable and a great option. My gut tells me it’d probably be some m’fer from Furman though much like the Groce hire.
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And it's possible the dude from Furman (or wherever) is great! Those guys turn out great sometimes. I liked the Groce hire okay despite him not being good enough here, but we were in a very different scenario that last Weber year than we are right now.
It's just a huge, huge risk, with significantly more likely downsides than upsides.
To get deep in the tournament consistently, step #1 is to make the tournament consistently. We haven't had a coach do that pre-Underwood since Self (whose tournament success here would also probably be getting hammered on Twitter right now - "why are we trending down!?"). The idea that we can just throw Underwood on the scrap pile and we'll get a guy who can for sure do that is possible, but FAR from likely. We're much more likely to get a guy who can't even get that step #1 done.
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And it's possible the dude from Furman (or wherever) is great! Those guys turn out great sometimes. I liked the Groce hire okay despite him not being good enough here, but we were in a very different scenario that last Weber year than we are right now.
It's just a huge, huge risk, with significantly more likely downsides than upsides.
To get deep in the tournament consistently, step #1 is to make the tournament consistently. We haven't had a coach do that pre-Underwood since Self (whose tournament success here would also probably be getting hammered on Twitter right now). The idea that we can just throw Underwood on the scrap pile and we'll get a guy who can for sure do that is possible, but FAR from likely. We're much more likely to get a guy who can't even get that step #1 done.
+1
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Underwood's agent is exploring other job options. He has done this every year and has gotten BU raises, extensions. BU might also be unhappy about boosters meddling in and possibly undermining his program.
The AD has already done everything reasonable he can to keep BU here. At this point JW is exploring possible candidates in case BU departs. Loyalty Insiders imply there is mutual interest involving SM.
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Loyalty insiders, lol. Some people never learn.
Who members the whole Cliff Alexander fiasco on there? Or Illijah? Member the full of shit "insiders?"
I member.
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Meanwhile, all three loyalty Insiders think there will be staff shake ups, with at least TA, AF, CF, and probably GA back. This led to wild speculation about OA replacing GA. The insiders did say BU and OA are friends; which was taken as coded confirmation. Then Indy stirred the SM pot.
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Loyalty insiders, lol. Some people never learn.
Who members the whole Cliff Alexander fiasco on there? Or Illijah? Member the full of shit "insiders?"
I member.
Breal is over there with this stuff.
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Breal is over there with this stuff.
That’s fine. I’m guessing he’s also full of shit.
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That’s fine. I’m guessing he’s also full of shit.
He did sell his soul to the Loyalty Merry Men.
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That’s fine. I’m guessing he’s also full of shit.
It is entertaining that someone over there thinks he is Tyler Underwood.
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What about BD and S&M?
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Underwood's agent is exploring other job options. He has done this every year and has gotten BU raises, extensions. BU might also be unhappy about boosters meddling in and possibly undermining his program.
The AD has already done everything reasonable he can to keep BU here. At this point JW is exploring possible candidates in case BU departs. Loyalty Insiders imply there is mutual interest involving SM.
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But I don't know anything about the last sentence, and really don't care. If it happens, I'm good with it.
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Shrewsberry to ND. Tell PSU to throw everything they own at Underwood ;D
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That’s fine. I’m guessing he’s also full of shit.
Always has been.
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What about BD and S&M?
sol pdq?
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It is entertaining that someone over there thinks he is Tyler Underwood.
Someone thinks Breal is Tyler Underwood?
Jesus Christ, that’s wonderful.
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is going from penn st to notre dame THAT big of an upgrade?
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is going from penn st to notre dame THAT big of an upgrade?
It is if the goal is to get to Heaven.
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is going from penn st to notre dame THAT big of an upgrade?
He’s an Indiana lifer. And he knows PSU will probably be a dumpster fire next year.
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is going from penn st to notre dame THAT big of an upgrade?
If that is serious, you need not share the juice, just pass it all...you/ve had too much.
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This'll be the discussion right up until we hire the dude from Furman or wherever.
We do this every single time we have an opening.
Spark, please come talk Bears!
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Loyalty insiders, lol. Some people never learn.
Who members the whole Cliff Alexander fiasco on there? Or Illijah? Member the full of shit "insiders?"
I member.
I member LincolnIlliniFan posting the chief symbol to signify good news and those idiots there ate it up until he predictably got exposed as a fraud and then got exiled.
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I member LincolnIlliniFan posting the chief symbol to signify good news and those idiots there ate it up until he predictably got exposed as a fraud and the got exiled.
“Recruiting is fluid.”
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Insider status is fluid.
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Roger Powell Jr. just got hired as the Valparaiso HC job. Congrats, Roger.
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Roger Powell Jr. just got hired as the Valparaiso HC job. Congrats, Roger.
Good to Hear a man who seemingly has done it all right, all right, all right....
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Jerrance Howard to SIU assistant position. Man, how he’s fallen.
https://twitter.com/barkeep1967/status/1646662420755087361?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Jerrance would be as least slightly less useless than Geoff Alexander. But the reason Underwood wouldn’t consider hiring him is because one (1 white HC and 3 black recruiting assts looks retarded), and two…the next Asst Coach will be Tyler Underwood
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I predict 2 big ten coaches will be gone after this year
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I predict 2 big ten coaches will be gone after this year
Which ones…
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Which ones…
Howard and Ben Johnson
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If that is serious, you need not share the juice, just pass it all...you/ve had too much.
I mean Notre Dame basketball isn't that great
It's football country just like Penn St
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So what happened to Jerrance? From KU, Texas, to SIU is a very steep drop.
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So what happened to Jerrance? From KU, Texas, to SIU is a very steep drop.
The weed?