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Title: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: illiniray on February 13, 2023, 12:44:27 PM
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401484952
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: ILLove1997 on February 13, 2023, 01:01:36 PM
doubt we win this one but who knows, maybe they carry over the defensive intensity they showed in the 2nd half of the Rutgers game and P$U doesn't hit a ton of 3's like they usually do... and maybe we can shoot over 25% from 3 point land... lol
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 13, 2023, 01:45:40 PM
Out of 352 teams listed in NCAA states, we're tied for 298 in 3 pt percentage and 302nd in free shot percentage.
Hang a banner.
You gotta play defense if you shoot like that and hope to win.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: ThePAMan on February 13, 2023, 01:52:11 PM
Out of 352 teams listed in NCAA states, we're tied for 298 in 3 pt percentage and 302nd in free shot percentage.

Have a link for that?  ;D
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 13, 2023, 02:03:15 PM
Have a link for that?  ;D
Same place I was looking at free shot stuff. 😁
Fortunately, our free shot shooting hasn't really hurt us.  Except for the xxxx game. We watched the team that averages 21.2/game shoot 30.
And our free shot percentage was just awful. They shoot 86+% and canned 26-30.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 13, 2023, 05:31:56 PM
Have a link for that?  ;D

Never heard of Goggle?
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: ThePAMan on February 13, 2023, 07:12:22 PM
Never heard of Goggle?

Big10Man = ThePAThey is a match.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: illinicalvin on February 14, 2023, 01:40:49 PM
Penn State on Valentine's Day, what an interesting tradition we've developed here.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/illinois-chose-unfortunate-photo-try-sell-tickets-next-173233231--ncaab.html
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: illinicalvin on February 14, 2023, 01:42:18 PM
Expecting to lose. Would be capital if we could win.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Reacher on February 14, 2023, 02:47:40 PM
Would be pretty disappointing if we can’t go on the road and defeat a 5-9 BigTen team in a thoroughly mediocre BigTen.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Jrock74 on February 14, 2023, 02:52:51 PM
Hopefully Shannon can put the clamps down on Pickett. Tall order but shut him down and we should be okay.  Still hard to believe we are a 3-point favorite considering they torched us on our own home floor but that was then, this is now. Need to find a way to split one of these next two.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: ThePAMan on February 14, 2023, 02:59:13 PM
Doesn't Dom have to leave the female Uber riders alone if they get to 18 wins? Wasn't that what he bet the board?
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 14, 2023, 05:16:31 PM
tPSU is in their losing streak, and we need to keep it that way.
Play defense, rebound and don't turn the ball over.
Big10 road wins don't come easy, but we do need 1 out of either tonite or Sat at Indiana.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: ridingthegrange on February 14, 2023, 05:49:47 PM
Cut out the lazy TOs, drive the hoop, and limit our 3"s.  There's no way they shoot 50% from beyond tonight.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 14, 2023, 06:01:15 PM
How long does it take to play 1:26 of field hockey ? Lol.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Jrock74 on February 14, 2023, 06:19:45 PM
Apparently faster than what it takes for our defense to show up.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Jrock74 on February 14, 2023, 06:22:06 PM
This team is fucking retarded.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 14, 2023, 06:22:09 PM
Yeah it’s looking a repeat of the last matchup.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Jrock74 on February 14, 2023, 06:22:56 PM
8 mins in we finally get a post entry on a team that is worst in the league at defending it.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Judge Judy on February 14, 2023, 06:23:10 PM
Man they catch fire against us.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Jrock74 on February 14, 2023, 06:23:43 PM
Its easy to catch fire when they are wide open looks
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Judge Judy on February 14, 2023, 06:25:13 PM
Its easy to catch fire when they are wide open looks

I should’ve added that.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Jrock74 on February 14, 2023, 06:26:19 PM
More ty rogers
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Jrock74 on February 14, 2023, 06:32:30 PM
 Hawkins has been abused all game on The defensive end of the floor.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 14, 2023, 06:33:06 PM
13-19 and 6-10 from 3. They can't keep this up.
But I've seen them do it.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Jrock74 on February 14, 2023, 06:37:52 PM
And zero turnovers
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 14, 2023, 06:43:22 PM
And zero turnovers
Looks like 0 fans too.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Jrock74 on February 14, 2023, 06:46:21 PM
Our defense is just so terrible right now. 80% of their shots have been uncontested.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 14, 2023, 06:47:56 PM
A 5-9 conference team looks like the #1 team in the country against us. Twice.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 14, 2023, 06:50:10 PM
Just get it to single digits going in
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: ThePAMan on February 14, 2023, 06:51:14 PM
Great defensive plan against Pickett so far
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Reacher on February 14, 2023, 06:53:56 PM
Ok then.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 14, 2023, 06:54:03 PM
Penn St has scored almost 100 first half points in the two matchups with us.

Check that. Exactly 100.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Reacher on February 14, 2023, 06:55:07 PM
13-19 and 6-10 from 3. They can't keep this up.
But I've seen them do it.

You’ve seen them do it, but they also can’t do it?
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Dominic on February 14, 2023, 07:08:31 PM
Big 10 Kenpom Offenses:

Iowa (6)
Purdue (7)
Indiana (18)
Penn State (21)


Illinois is going to finish 0-6 vs the top 4.  Basically if you have any offensive talent at all, it’s going to shred a poorly coached Illini AAU team.

Minnesota only win left on the schedule.




Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: ThePAMan on February 14, 2023, 07:13:54 PM
Big 10 Kenpom Offenses:

Iowa (6)
Purdue (7)
Indiana (18)
Penn State (21)


Illinois is going to finish 0-6 vs the top 4.  Basically if you have any offensive talent at all, it’s going to shred a poorly coached Illini AAU team.

Minnesota only win left on the schedule.

18 wins then! You lose your bet.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: ThePAMan on February 14, 2023, 07:23:43 PM
Underachiever yelling at the assistants. Awesome
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 14, 2023, 07:33:42 PM
If we get PSU in the BTT, we’re fucked.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: BillSelf on February 14, 2023, 07:37:56 PM
just not much you can do
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Dominic on February 14, 2023, 07:49:30 PM
Pickett is 15-18 on FGs
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Reacher on February 14, 2023, 07:50:37 PM
Penn State would be 25-0 if they played us every game.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Reacher on February 14, 2023, 07:57:55 PM
Wonder if Texas will still be working the phones hard to get Underwood after tonight.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Reacher on February 14, 2023, 07:59:02 PM
This team stinks.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Dominic on February 14, 2023, 07:59:17 PM
If Melendez doesn’t transfer I’ll be shocked. 
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: FaninCa on February 14, 2023, 08:00:32 PM
Big 10 Kenpom Offenses:

Iowa (6)
Purdue (7)
Indiana (18)
Penn State (21)


Illinois is going to finish 0-6 vs the top 4.  Basically if you have any offensive talent at all, it’s going to shred a poorly coached Illini AAU team.

Minnesota only win left on the schedule.

Yes said 17 wins was generous.

You need to leave the board when this team wins their 18th game.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 14, 2023, 08:01:14 PM
I would chalk it up as ‘one of those games’ if we didn’t already experience this kind of beating..by this very same PSU squad…at our place.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Dominic on February 14, 2023, 08:04:45 PM
This team is trash.  It’s a miracle they got the easiest schedule in the conference or they’d be 7–13 at best in the league
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: BillSelf on February 14, 2023, 08:09:11 PM
This team is trash.  It’s a miracle they got the easiest schedule in the conference or they’d be 7–13 at best in the league

Why do you even post on here?
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 14, 2023, 08:27:25 PM
Don't know what we expected to happen by going under screens over and over again. We deserved to get our asses kicked again by this team.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: FaninCa on February 14, 2023, 08:27:32 PM
This team is trash.  It’s a miracle they got the easiest schedule in the conference or they’d be 7–13 at best in the league

Your predictions are trash just like your day trading career.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: FLIllini on February 14, 2023, 08:34:08 PM
This has to be the most disappointing Illini team I've ever followed, and I've been following since the early 80's. To reel in two of the top rated transfers last off-season, a top 20 recruiting class, and be two or three more losses from sitting squarely on the bubble is truly an epic disappointment. I just don't see any way this team wins more than a game (probably a stretch as well) if they do get in the tournament, and that is a big time underachievement.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: illinismitty on February 14, 2023, 08:36:35 PM
What an absolute dumpster fire.

I am putting the bulk of the blame on Underwood. This team makes me drink. The really bad drinking, like bottom tier well shit like Popov 100 that pickles your liver by the end of the game.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Jrock74 on February 14, 2023, 08:39:33 PM
I would chalk it up as ‘one of those games’ if we didn’t already experience this kind of beating..by this very same PSU squad…at our place.

We could very well see them in the 1st game of the big ten tournament. 
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Miles Leonard on February 14, 2023, 08:51:25 PM
We could very well see them in the 1st game of the big ten tournament.

That would not be ideal
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Dominic on February 14, 2023, 08:54:23 PM
Illinois:

2-8 when giving up 70 or more points.

0-6 in the Big 10.

Only chance Illinois has to win is ugly the game up vs other bad scoring teams.  If you have any semblance of offense, illinois isn’t gonna keep up
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Custard on February 14, 2023, 08:55:03 PM
Surprised no one said anything about going to a zone
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: ThePAMan on February 14, 2023, 08:55:15 PM
This has to be the most disappointing Illini team I've ever followed, and I've been following since the early 80's. To reel in two of the top rated transfers last off-season, a top 20 recruiting class, and be two or three more losses from sitting squarely on the bubble is truly an epic disappointment. I just don't see any way this team wins more than a game (probably a stretch as well) if they do get in the tournament, and that is a big time underachievement.

I like the cut of your jib.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Reacher on February 14, 2023, 09:07:53 PM
This has to be the most disappointing Illini team I've ever followed, and I've been following since the early 80's. To reel in two of the top rated transfers last off-season, a top 20 recruiting class, and be two or three more losses from sitting squarely on the bubble is truly an epic disappointment. I just don't see any way this team wins more than a game (probably a stretch as well) if they do get in the tournament, and that is a big time underachievement.

I actually thought this team had national title contender potential. SMH
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Reacher on February 14, 2023, 09:08:56 PM
Surprised no one said anything about going to a zone

Illini Basketball is in the friend zone. On Valentine’s Day.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Jobu on February 14, 2023, 09:15:04 PM
Ped St. is like kryptonite to these fucks.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: FLIllini on February 14, 2023, 09:20:53 PM
I actually thought this team had national title contender potential. SMH

That's what we were told. Oversold/underdelivered yet again.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Illinifan5775 on February 14, 2023, 09:33:58 PM
Surprised no one said anything about going to a zone
Oh no, not allowed to do that with our coach
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 14, 2023, 09:37:13 PM
Surprised no one said anything about going to a zone
I almost said ball denial and disrupting the passing lanes, but we don't do that.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Dominic on February 14, 2023, 09:56:02 PM
Surprised no one said anything about going to a zone

They should have been playing zone all year.  The only style that works with the type of talent Illinois has (length but not very physical, and non-shooting slop ball on offense) is to play how Syracuse played when they were good.  Zone defense and a slow pace. Ugly the game up. Win with offensive rebounds.

But if you play man to man with guys like Mayer/Hawkins/Dainja you’re gonna get worked.  None of them can stop the ball
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: ILLove1997 on February 15, 2023, 01:59:39 AM
Yeah let's play zone so they get more open looks from 3 you fucking retard
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Dominic on February 15, 2023, 04:32:06 AM
Yeah let's play zone so they get more open looks from 3 you fucking retard



Most of Penn State’s entire offensive action was iso Pickett, have him back his man down into the lane, then he either shoots over the guy guarding him or passes out after the double team for a 3.  If you play zone you take all that away. He can’t iso his defender when there’s 3 guys clogging the lane and long wings taking away passes.

I think most coaches could deal with giving guys like Funk 25 footers vs a zone than having Pickett get 41 points playing ISO ball.

IL simply can’t guard good offensive teams when you have Mayer, Hawkins, Dainja trying to guard the perimeter off the dribble. They can’t guard anyone good in those situations. It was even worse when Skyy was playing.  They are lucky they’ve played the easiest Big 10 schedule or their record would more accurately reflect how they really are
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: OskeeWowWoe on February 15, 2023, 06:55:23 AM
This fucking team
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 15, 2023, 07:08:36 AM
After another night of not draining 3s we're at 31.27%, so we're currently around 312th out of 352 in 3 point shooting. We finally found a way to squeeze onto page 7 of 8 in the NCAA site. Unfortunately, there are only 2 teams listed on page 8.
After bricking 20 out of 27 last night, it looks like we moved up to 35th out of 352 in attempts per game.
We can't make em, but we make up for it by missing a lot of em.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: illinicalvin on February 15, 2023, 07:49:24 AM
You want to run a zone against a team that plays 4 guards and shot nearly 60% from the field?! Sounds about as dumb as the thought that Ty Rodgers isn't a high major talent.

We're currently rolling out a guard, 3 forwards, and a slow center. We're vulnerable to any coach with personnel who knows how to exploit that and our guys can't capitalize on the other end because our forwards are content to launch 3s.

We are a good rebounding team but not a great one despite having guys who are 6'8"+ at the 3 and 4. We block shots as good as any team in Illinois history but give back 2-4 a game goaltending.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: IVMP on February 15, 2023, 08:41:49 AM
I actually thought this team had national title contender potential. SMH

You and others keep buying into the idea that recruiting stars = titles.

The fan base keeps buying into the same bag of crap and then thinking it's gold.

That's how we end up with people believing that the likes of Brandon Paul, Jereme Richmond, Joe Bertrand, and Crandall Head will form a great team.

Also, I think there was a Melendez sighting near the end of last night's game. Before that, it was time for him to try out for team manager.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: IVMP on February 15, 2023, 08:44:10 AM
This fucking team

At halftime, I said exactly that.

I still think the team gets into the tournament and then loses to Drake by double digits in the first round.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Reacher on February 15, 2023, 08:59:06 AM
You and others keep buying into the idea that recruiting stars = titles.

The fan base keeps buying into the same bag of crap and then thinking it's gold.

That's how we end up with people believing that the likes of Brandon Paul, Jereme Richmond, Joe Bertrand, and Crandall Head will form a great team.

Also, I think there was a Melendez sighting near the end of last night's game. Before that, it was time for him to try out for team manager.

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Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Somewhere in Mn on February 15, 2023, 09:06:17 AM
A month ago.
"I don't know how we're favored. Virtually every game should be a pick 'em game until further notice."
2 1/2 months ago.
"Is 3 point shooting going to be a concern ?"

It's the job of a coaching staff to get the most out of the players. The staff looks to be hard headed, as do the players.
That being said, we have no idea what team will show up Sat in Bloomington.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: ridingthegrange on February 15, 2023, 10:16:55 AM
Hardheaded is being kind.  I think it's a lack of intelligence.  Looking at the box-score without the 3pt stats indicates that it should have been a 1 score game regardless of outcome.  We win the boards, shoot 80% FTs, and have only 8 turnovers and lose by double digits.   How messed up is that.

Play Rodgers at 30 minutes/game.  I don't care who's minutes he takes.
Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: Dominic on February 15, 2023, 11:11:44 AM


We're currently rolling out a guard, 3 forwards, and a slow center.

Yeah.  Sounds like the only defense a collection of guys like that should play is zone. 

Teams play zone when they can’t guard their own man off the dribble, or are trying to prevent paint points and easy layups.   You wouldn’t want on the ball defenders like Trent Frazier sitting back in a zone.  But you would want guys like Mayer, Hawkins, Dainja sitting in a zone rather than getting way out of position trying to guard a dribbler.

Plus zone defense usually leads to less fouls.

Pickett got 41 points and also managed to get lot of open 3s for his teammates.  The defense they tried last night was a failure. 



Title: Re: Valentines Day @ Happy Valley 6PM CT ESPNU
Post by: IVMP on February 15, 2023, 07:16:20 PM
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