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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: ThePeeAMan on January 08, 2023, 06:51:32 PM
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I think I’d trade the 1st pick to the Colts for: #5 pick, future 1, Michael Pittman, and a throw in pick. Or…DeForest Buckner.
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No clue.
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By all accounts you try to trade down as much as possible to build your future and secure a lot of picks to fill holes. The first pick or two need to be top notch prospects though. Also trading for players and free agent signings are going to be huge.
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I have little confidence in the Bears handling this properly. If they do get extra picks, I hope they have a better plan than drafting undersized SEC linebackers "because they are just SO FAST."
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I have little confidence in the Bears handling this properly. If they do get extra picks, I hope they have a better plan than drafting undersized SEC linebackers "because they are just SO FAST."
Why the little confidence? Poles has been GM for 1 season. How can you blame him for all the Bears past? You’re judging him off a previous regimes errors. He didn’t make them, so why don’t you let him see what he can do and then judge him accordingly…
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I have little confidence in the Bears handling this properly. If they do get extra picks, I hope they have a better plan than drafting undersized SEC linebackers "because they are just SO FAST."
Why? “McCaskeys?” We’ve got a big unknown in Poles. Might as well have a shred of optimism.
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Why? “McCaskeys?” We’ve got a big unknown in Poles. Might as well have a shred of optimism.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
“Yeah, but McCaskeys…”
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As stated, would definitely be interested in dealing with Colts for the 5th and Pittman or Buckner.
Would also be interested in dealing for Higgins, DJ Moore, or Mike Evans.
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Why the little confidence? Poles has been GM for 1 season. How can you blame him for all the Bears past? You’re judging him off a previous regimes errors. He didn’t make them, so why don’t you let him see what he can do and then judge him accordingly…
I'll believe it when I see it.
There are MANY dumb NFL GMs. Zach Wilson and Mac Jones were first-round draft picks. The Browns traded multiple picks to get DeShaun LossTson. Before that, they drafted Baker Mayfield because he planted a flag in an opponent's turf, and then ESPN replayed it hundreds of times. Somehow, with deep WR classes in recent years, the Ravens have managed to avoid picking up a receiver with even marginal skills.
During this time, the Bears have failed to capitalize on any of that dumbness.
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“Yeah, but McCaskeys…”
Troll alert.
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As stated, would definitely be interested in dealing with Colts for the 5th and Pittman or Buckner.
Would also be interested in dealing for Higgins, DJ Moore, or Mike Evans.
I’m not interested in Mike Evans. Want someone younger and for less money.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
There are MANY dumb NFL GMs. Zach Wilson and Mac Jones were first-round draft picks. The Browns traded multiple picks to get DeShaun LossTson. Before that, they drafted Baker Mayfield because he planted a flag in an opponent's turf, and then ESPN replayed it hundreds of times. Somehow, with deep WR classes in recent years, the Ravens have managed to avoid picking up a receiver with even marginal skills.
During this time, the Bears have failed to capitalize on any of that dumbness.
Hollywood Brown is pretty good, but not a true 1. Awesome deep threat. But would be great on the right team. Rashod Bateman is a stud, but got hurt.
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Why the little confidence? Poles has been GM for 1 season. How can you blame him for all the Bears past? You’re judging him off a previous regimes errors. He didn’t make them, so why don’t you let him see what he can do and then judge him accordingly…
How good were his FA signings for this year?
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I'll believe it when I see it.
He also traded a 2, that is now basically a 1 since the Dolphin had their 1 stripped, for Claypool.
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Point being there are reasons to be skeptical that this will work.
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How good were his FA signings for this year?
Not good. He also wasn’t breaking the bank, because he couldn’t afford to. He had a plan, and it didn’t include “winning this year.” He was clearly working on a budget last year.
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Point being there are reasons to be skeptical that this will work.
Of course! It could ALWAYS fail. I don’t think anyone here is guaranteeing this will get the Bears to the Super Bowl. Perhaps not even the playoffs, but I’m liking our situation. I’d take this 100% over Pace trying to squeeze 7-9 wins out of an over paid roster with little to no valuable assets.
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Not good. He also wasn’t breaking the bank, because he couldn’t afford to. He had a plan, and it didn’t include “winning this year.” He was clearly working on a budget last year.
How do you know that was his plan the whole time? While Mack was traded in March, Quinn was moved in late Oct and Roquan was shortly thereafter. Granted, they were 3-5 at the time and then lost every game thereafter and were obviously not going to re-sign Roquan. Not saying those were the wrong moves, but at 3-5 they were actually in the playoff hunt despite being a bad team.
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Of course! It could ALWAYS fail. I don’t think anyone here is guaranteeing this will get the Bears to the Super Bowl. Perhaps not even the playoffs, but I’m liking our situation. I’d take this 100% over Pace trying to squeeze 7-9 wins out of an over paid roster with little to no valuable assets.
We all know Pace sucked.
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We all know Pace sucked.
But yet you advocate for his “try to win today” philosophy.
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But yet you advocate for his “try to win today” philosophy.
That is not what I said. I am questioning the basis for your assertion that tanking was his plan from the start.
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How do you know that was his plan the whole time? While Mack was traded in March, Quinn was moved in late Oct and Roquan was shortly thereafter. Granted, they were 3-5 at the time and then lost every game thereafter and were obviously not going to re-sign Roquan. Not saying those were the wrong moves, but at 3-5 they were actually in the playoff hunt despite being a bad team.
I don’t imagine Poles knew his plan would work so perfectly. But it’s obvious “winning” wasn’t the priority this season. Clearing cap space and acquiring assets was.
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I don’t imagine Poles knew his plan would work so perfectly. But it’s obvious “winning” wasn’t the priority this season. Clearing cap space and acquiring assets was.
Even when they were 3-5?
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Even when they were 3-5?
You mean when they traded Roquan Smith? Why would you trade your best defensive player if your priority was to make a playoff push?
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If the goal was to make a playoff push, they obviously don’t trade Roquan.
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How do you know that was his plan the whole time?
He made it more than obvious.
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He made it more than obvious.
He made it obvious when trading Quinn and Roquan. Not sure he made it obvious before that point.
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He made it obvious when trading Quinn and Roquan. Not sure he made it obvious before that point.
Clearly the plan was at least semi-fluid. Lucas Patrick was the only notable offensive signing they had. Poles was clearly saving his bullets for 2023. There was always a chance they could overachieve, and for a few games it looked like they might. But I can’t imagine Poles and Eberflus looked at this roster at any point last year and though, “oh yeah, playoffs.”
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This year was always a dump bad salary and let the chips fall where they may year.
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They traded Quinn immediately after the Patriots win (best win of the year). That’s not a move a team eyeing the playoffs would make at that time.
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What does semi-fluid mean?
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What does semi-fluid mean?
If they were 5-3 instead of 3-5 maybe Roquan doesn’t get traded. But if they were coming off an impressive road win against New Enlgand and were actually concerned about making the playoffs they wouldn’t have traded him two days later.
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I’m not interested in Mike Evans. Want someone younger and for less money.
Not unreasonable, but he’d a great fit for Fields IMO. He’s also the younger cheaper version of Davante Adams. Adams is the better overall player, but you get 85% of him at 65% of the price, and he’s not yet 30.
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Wonder if the Bears could salvage something worthwhile out of Claypool? Maybe package him with the 1st pick.
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Wonder if the Bears could salvage something worthwhile out of Claypool? Maybe package him with the 1st pick.
Claypool, Fields, and the No. 1. Get all the pieces in place, then pick Williams (as you would trade Fields to draft him) in 2024 Draft.
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Bears get: 4th pick, future 1, Michael Pittman, 2nd rounder. Colts get: #1 pick and Claypool.
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I’d throw in a 3rd or 4th to sweeten the pot.
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Better for Bears? Jalen Carter has monster game? Or meh game?
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My guess would be meh.
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/bears-trade-no-1-pick-2023-nfl-draft/amp/
“Of course, there’s always the possibility the Bears hold onto their pick, use it to draft a quarterback, and trade Justin Fields instead. In the NFL, and with a team that hasn’t held the first overall pick since the 1940s, it’s impossible to be sure. The team would get a massive haul of picks for Fields, too. If they do decide to trade down from the first overall pick though, they shouldn’t get fewer than five picks—and four in the first couple of rounds—to build around their current quarterback.
The Bears are setting up for one of their best offseason situations in decades. If general manager Ryan Poles can make it successful, whether they end up trading down in the draft or not, Chicago could be set up for major sustained success in the years to come.”
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My dream trade:
Bears get: 4th pick, 2024 1st, 2nd rounder, Michael Pittman and DeForest Buckner.
Colts get: 1st overall, Chase Claypool.
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Fields, Eberlose, and all the picks for Burrow
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This thread is the epitome of Sport Talk Radio
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This thread is the epitome of Sport Talk Radio
It’s called fun. Relax and have some FUN.
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I know the guy in this commercial. “The fun!”
https://youtu.be/sRcVxOPn_Z4
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This would be pretty damn nice.
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Man, we have 3 months of this....
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Man, we have 3 months of this....
You don’t have to open the the thread…
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Jack Sanborn, the 1, Fields for all of the Colts' picks for the next decade.
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Jack Sanborn, the 1, Fields for all of the Colts' picks for the next decade.
Again, you’re welcomed to skip the thread. No one is forcing you to read and contribute. For example, I almost never go into your Blackhawks thread.
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Fields and the 1 for all the picks in the draft. He will travel.from team to team each week and play the Sunday and Monday night games.each week.
He'll play QB for each team in those games.
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Fields and the 1 for all the picks in the draft. He will travel.from team to team each week and play the Sunday and Monday night games.each week.
That’s a great idea.
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Dave Wannstedt just said he could easily see the Bears adding 4 starters in the draft (assuming trade down), and at least 4 more in free agency.
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Dave Wannstedt just said he could easily see the Bears adding 4 starters in the draft (assuming trade down), and at least 4 more in free agency.
Still leaves 14. Ugh.
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Still leaves 14. Ugh.
Says the guy who was demanding “wins” this past season.
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I’m high on Fields as well, BUT if Caleb Williams was in this draft, I’d definitely be open to trading Fields and drafting him.
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I’m high on Fields as well, BUT if Caleb Williams was in this draft, I’d definitely be open to trading Fields and drafting him.
Yep. I’d like to know why PAMan is amused by the fact I said it.
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He’s one of the best prospects in the past decade and you get to reset the QB contract clock. Would be very sensible to strongly consider that. Now I’d like PAMan to explain why he thinks it’s funny when I say that.
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Is PAMan under the impression that just because I really like Justin Fields and think he can DEVELOP into a true franchise quarterback that I’m married to him to the point that it can be HIM and ONLY him?
I wouldn’t be surprised. He’s clearly an absolutist (who bases his absolutist opinions on the most random things). He’d be a perfect mark for a good cult leader.
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Man, we have 3 months of this....
gonna be a long and brutal winter
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My guess is trade talk fever will die down after a bit.
What do you care? You barely post here. “McCaskeys,” amirite?
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I forgot Poles was on at 10:30. I caught the end of it. I’ll post the link when I can.
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Says the guy who was demanding “wins” this past season.
Lot of close games there for awhile.
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I’m high on Fields as well, BUT if Caleb Williams was in this draft, I’d definitely be open to trading Fields and drafting him.
I think Tempo may be the only one here who does NOT get it.
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Poles apparently said “Yeah.” When asked if Justin Fields is their quarterback for next year.
He apparently left open the potentially of being “absolutely blown away,” I guess if offered an impressive haul for Fields.
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I think Tempo may be the only one here who does NOT get it.
No, I’m pretty sure that’s not the case. Why don’t you explain it? Help a dumb guy out.
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Lot of close games there for awhile.
And they were doing well to keep those games close.
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We need Stroud, Levis, and Richardson to give some GMs quarterback fever. Or at least a couple of them.
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Interesting stuff with a former GM. Will take about 30 seconds in for PAMan’s head to explode. Parkins: “The belief you have your franchise quarterback, Justin Fields.”
https://www.audacy.com/670thescore/podcasts/parkins-spiegel-show-63/former-nfl-gm-mike-tannenbaum-talks-ryan-poles-strategy-options-hour-3-1547952353
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Interesting stuff with a former GM. Will take about 30 seconds in for PAMan’s head to explode. Parkins: “The belief you have your franchise quarterback, Justin Fields.”
https://www.audacy.com/670thescore/podcasts/parkins-spiegel-show-63/former-nfl-gm-mike-tannenbaum-talks-ryan-poles-strategy-options-hour-3-1547952353
I can't play a whole podcast now, but based on the phrasing you quote, I have a strong belief that you missed the point entirely.
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I can't play a whole podcast now, but based on the phrasing you quote, I have a strong belief that you missed the point entirely.
The point of what?
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The point of what?
The pencil.
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Interesting stuff with a former GM. Will take about 30 seconds in for PAMan’s head to explode. Parkins: “The belief you have your franchise quarterback, Justin Fields.”
https://www.audacy.com/670thescore/podcasts/parkins-spiegel-show-63/former-nfl-gm-mike-tannenbaum-talks-ryan-poles-strategy-options-hour-3-1547952353
We already know what Parkins thinks, as you post here. I have also seen Parkins try and throw a baseball.
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We already know what Parkins thinks, as you post here. I have also seen Parkins try and throw a baseball.
If you can’t get passed the first minute, you’d know what a former GM thinks. I know that’s a ginormous ask for you, though.
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If you can’t get passed the first minute, you’d know what a former GM thinks. I know that’s a ginormous ask for you, though.
I listened to a chunk of it. He did not seem wedded to Fields.
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I listened to a chunk of it. He did not seem wedded to Fields.
Wasn’t my point. But keeping Fields is definitely the most likely outcome.
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Ok Tempo. Will be serious here:
I would not trade Fields because of the QBs in this draft. Top guys seem too short and there does not seem to be an Elway, Manning, Aikman, blah blah bkah. KY guy? Someone else maybe? I leave that to experts like you, Parkins, et al. I know I have no clue (and probably no one else does).
If someone throws a ton of starters or picks at you for him, sure, why not? Otherwise give Fields the offseason to get his stuff together.
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Ok Tempo. Will be serious here:
I would not trade Fields because of the QBs in this draft. Top guys seem too short and there does not seem to be an Elway, Manning, Aikman, blah blah bkah. KY guy? Someone else maybe? I leave that to experts like you, Parkins, et al. I know I have no clue (and probably no one else does).
If someone throws a ton of starters or picks at you for him, sure, why not? Otherwise give Fields the offseason to get his stuff together.
You should change your name to the PrettyReasonableMan.
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The main handicap to trading Fields is he’s already entering year 3. That 5 year rookie contract is like gold to GMs.
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The main handicap to trading Fields is he’s already entering year 3. That 5 year rookie contract is like gold to GMs.
It does not make a lot of sense unless the new team and Fields somehow have a deal in place at the time of the trade.
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I agree on this crop of QBs. I think they could be good, but I don’t see any as a can’t pass on prospect. If Young were a few inches taller, he would be. He’s listed at 6’0 194 I think. Which means he’s probably 5’10.5 and 185
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Wouldn’t be so bad if this lineman were listed at 6’6. He’s listed at 6’3.
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That’s easily 4 inches.
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That’s easily 4 inches.
That’s what she said.
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That’s what she said.
Well done.
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Best case scenario might be cutting back on the “big haul” for the #1 pick and swapping the pick with Houston for their #2 and next years’ 1. Feasible that pick could be the overall #1. I’d even give them next years’ 2nd rounder to sweeten the pot.
Then turn around and fleece Indy for the #2.
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Outside the box thinker called The Score and told Gabe Ramirez the Bears should trade Justin Fields and the #1 pick. Then start Nathan Peterman next year in the 0-17 tank for Caleb Williams.
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Wonder how Mn would feel about 0-27 run.
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I’m starting to move off Jalen Carter for Will Anderson.
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Could see a situation in which the Bears and the Cardinals both trade down and 3 quarterbacks go 1, 2, 3.
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I’ve only gotten halfway though the video, but some good stuff here. He is completely in line on my thinking on Mike Evans. He’s my preferred trade target for the Bears because I view him as a great fit for Fields, and he’s younger and cheaper than Hopkins or Adams et al.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc-FccbQWvo
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There’s talk the Vikings are likely to move away from Adam Thielen And Dalvin Cook. Even talk Justin Jefferson may want out.
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There’s talk the Vikings are likely to move away from Adam Thielen And Dalvin Cook. Even talk Justin Jefferson may want out.
Those are salary-cap issues more than the team "wanting to move away" from the players.
Are you saying the Bears will trade for those players on Draft Day? This is, after all, the Bears Draft Day thread.
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Those are salary-cap issues more than the team "wanting to move away" from the players.
Are you saying the Bears will trade for those players on Draft Day? This is, after all, the Bears Draft Day thread.
1) No shit
2) No. just thought it fit here as well as any other thread since this thread is centered on the draft, trades, and potentially players moving to other teams.
Would you rather I start a free agency thread?
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Those players are not free agents yet.
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Those players are not free agents yet.
I pretty much acknowledged that in my original post. “Likely to move on from,” doesn’t mean “have moved on from.”
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There’s talk the Vikings are likely to move away from Adam Thielen And Dalvin Cook. Even talk Justin Jefferson may want out.
You see what they want and try for Justin Jefferson in a heartbeat!
Edit- although I do not see the Vikings doing any dealing with the Bears for him as it’d be in their own division and the haul would likely be extravagant for the Bears.
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You see what they want and try for Justin Jefferson in a heartbeat!
Would probably cost too much. But definitely would ask if a DK MetcLf situation came up.
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I pretty much acknowledged that in my original post. “Likely to move on from,” doesn’t mean “have moved on from.”
You asked about starting a free agency thread. Those players are not yet free agents.
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You asked about starting a free agency thread. Those players are not yet free agents.
But they soon could be. Theilen almost for sure. Having fun picking your nits?
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But they soon could be. Theilen almost for sure. Having fun picking your nits?
Or they could renegotiate their deals and still be with the Vikings. Either way, they are not yet free agents.
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Or they could renegotiate their deals and still be with the Vikings. Either way, they are not yet free agents.
All I did was share the possibility they could be moving on. That’s it.
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This would be a disastrous draft day for the Bears (everyone in the top 10 getting what they want without moving up). Can’t imagine it shakes out this way.
https://draftwire.usatoday.com/gallery/2023-nfl-mock-draft-wild-card-playoffs-bryce-young-will-levis-cj-stroud-anthony-richardson/
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All I did was share the possibility they could be moving on. That’s it.
Or they could stay.
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Or they could stay.
Certainly within the range of outcomes…
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I enjoyed the last page of this thread.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/lull-before-the-storm-for-ryan-poles
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https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/.amp/news/lull-before-the-storm-for-ryan-poles
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Or they could stay.
Nah man, I think Temp0 is onto something with Jefferson…
https://twitter.com/jacobinfante24/status/1615816978731794432?s=46&t=yP1Iu9Fh39zaOps9dDhkDg
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Lol
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I enjoyed the last page of this thread.
Thanks for letting us know.
Have you read the 2 si.com articles about the lull before the storm for ryan poles ?
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Justin Jefferson: "If they want me here, I'm here......They don't even really have to give me an extension this year."
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Who else may be disgruntled that could, or could not, become a free agent or get traded? Justin Herbert cannot be happy. He may leave the Charger, right?
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Who else may be disgruntled that could, or could not, become a free agent or get traded? Justin Herbert cannot be happy. He may leave the Charger, right?
I think the Rams said they would sign Stafford to an extension. But after that, I bet he's gone.
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I think the Rams said they would sign Stafford to an extension. But after that, I bet he's gone.
Isn't he considering retirement? Who else is considering retirement that the Bear might get? Hmm. Tom Brady! When Kevin Warren is not busy focusing on the Arlington Heights stadium maybe he can focus on Tom Brady?
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Who knew a bunch of middle aged men could be so petty? My bad guys. I’m not trying to steal Adam Schefter’s job. I was just sharing tidbits I saw on the Internets. I didn’t mean to put the HQ2s stellar journalistic reputation on the line. I will show more restraint in the future.
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I will show more restraint in the future.
You have no self restraint.
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Isn't he considering retirement? Who else is considering retirement that the Bear might get? Hmm. Tom Brady! When Kevin Warren is not busy focusing on the Arlington Heights stadium maybe he can focus on Tom Brady?
I think Warren's first priority is the stadium. Someone here posted that.
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I think Warren's first priority is the stadium. Someone here posted that.
Which as I stated, was confirmed by him. But everyone here is already so smart he didn’t need to say it.
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NBC Chicago: Bears Give Timing Update on Potential Move to Arlington Heights.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sports/chicago-football/bears-give-timing-update-on-potential-move-to-arlington-heights/3048331/
While the Bears anticipate closing this quarter, the team made it clear there’s a lot of work left to be done, including getting property tax certainty and locking down infrastructure funding.
“Those are the heavy lifts,” Ted Phillips said.
“You need to plan before you start digging,” Warren said. “I think what makes U.S. Bank Stadium so special, we spent almost a year planning, and planning is critical. That’s what I appreciate about the McCaskeys, they support the planning process. I think that will be really critical from that standpoint and I know we’re focused on Arlington Park and that stadium development project, I looked forward to leaning in to the stadium development project. But I think the biggest thing we can do is to make sure we’re methodical and detailed and we take the time to plan it properly.”
[Who is going to tell Kev that the Bear has had the option to purchase the property, and therefore plan, for appx. 13 months already?]
This leads to the No. 1 question: when will the new home of the Chicago Bears be open and ready to host football games, concerts and more?
“I’ll be able to answer that question to you in about six months when I’m able to sit down and really review things,” Warren said. “It wouldn’t be proper for me to say it. I’ve got to really sit down and get the information downloaded. I’ll be able to answer that (in six months). I’d be guessing right now.”
[Basically, the Bear will have to pay to extend the option or exercise the option and hope he can take care of the politics by the end of the current legislative session? Does he know when that session ends? I see a May end date for the House on the website. https://www.ilga.gov/house/schedules/default.asp]
This is going to be really interesting....
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I feel like this is the part where Temp0 posts something like: "McCaskeys! (insert something about eating)"
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And Tempo, I am not saying it cannot happen. Of course it can. What I am saying is there are very high obstacles; obstacles that were not present in other stadium dealings. The White Sox had Tampa leverage and it took Big Jim twisting arms and moving the clock back in the legislature to beat a midnight deadline. No one took the Ricketts floating moving the Cub very seriously and Rosemont offered them free land, etc. to move out there. Now, we have higher borrowing rates, a recession, a state government that is not in the team owner's back pocket, and a team whose owners are viewed as "meh."
Warren is going to earn his pay here.
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And Tempo, I am not saying it cannot happen. Of course it can. What I am saying is there are very high obstacles; obstacles that were not present in other stadium dealings. The White Sox had Tampa leverage and it took Big Jim twisting arms and moving the clock back in the legislature to beat a midnight deadline. No one took the Ricketts floating moving the Cub very seriously and Rosemont offered them free land, etc. to move out there. Now, we have higher borrowing rates, a recession, a state government that is not in the team owner's back pocket, and a team whose owners are viewed as "meh."
Warren is going to earn his pay here.
Selling a new stadium to house a 3-14 team shouldn't be much of a problem.
It took a little over 4 years after funding was approved to open the doors to U.S. Bank.
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Well at least it will smell like horse shit there another 8 Sundays a year
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Top 15 draftees at each position according to Dane Brugler of The Athletic:
https://theathletic.com/4117010/2023/01/24/nfl-draft-2023-dane-brugler-rankings/?amp=1
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Top 15 draftees at each position according to Dane Brugler of The Athletic:
https://theathletic.com/4117010/2023/01/24/nfl-draft-2023-dane-brugler-rankings/?amp=1
Witherspoon is listed at 3 for CBs.
The QB list is dumb. Young should be at least 3rd, behind Stroud and Levis. Stetson Bennett at 11th is a sign of someone who watched only the playoff games and didn't go beyond the major games and the buzz during the season.
Of course, if the rankings are based on the stupidity of NFL GMs and how they make their decisions, then Young is correct and Bennett should be higher.
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Witherspoon is listed at 3 for CBs.
The QB list is dumb. Young should be at least 3rd, behind Stroud and Levis. Stetson Bennett at 11th is a sign of someone who watched only the playoff games and didn't go beyond the major games and the buzz during the season.
Of course, if the rankings are based on the stupidity of NFL GMs and how they make their decisions, then Young is correct and Bennett should be higher.
Young is the consensus top QB at this point, at least.
11 QBs is a lot. I’m sure there are years in which 11 aren’t even drafted.
As usual, poor take quality.
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Witherspoon is listed at 3 for CBs.
The QB list is dumb. Young should be at least 3rd, behind Stroud and Levis. Stetson Bennett at 11th is a sign of someone who watched only the playoff games and didn't go beyond the major games and the buzz during the season.
Of course, if the rankings are based on the stupidity of NFL GMs and how they make their decisions, then Young is correct and Bennett should be higher.
Only 9 quarterbacks were drafted last year, so 11th doesn't sound out of line.
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Young is the consensus top QB at this point, at least.
11 QBs is a lot. I’m sure there are years in which 11 aren’t even drafted.
As usual, poor take quality.
The number of QBs taken in a draft has ZILCH to do with the rankings, which are clearly stated to be 15 per position. Even undrafted QBs can be signed. You do understand free agency, right? Oh, wait, you don't, based on previous posts.
As usual, poor comprehension across the board. Extend this response to your cockpuppet above.
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The number of QBs taken in a draft has ZILCH to do with the rankings, which are clearly stated to be 15 per position. Even undrafted QBs can be signed. You do understand free agency, right? Oh, wait, you don't, based on previous posts.
As usual, poor comprehension across the board. Extend this response to your cockpuppet above.
Lol I'm sure that all made sense in your mediocre brain when you were typing it.
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You do realize draft rankings are somewhat subjective, right? Especially when you get to the point of players that might not even get drafted.
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It makes sense that someone who can’t grasp the subtleties of win probability also can’t grasp the concept of prospect rankings.
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"Cockpuppet"... now that's good.
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You do realize draft rankings are somewhat subjective, right? Especially when you get to the point of players that might not even get drafted.
All rankings are subjective. That doesn't mean they always make sense.
You keep getting tripped up on the Undrafted thing. Is that a big hot take on the Score? But again, an undrafted QB can be signed as a free agent. When the rankings state quite clearly 15 per position, it's silly to obsess about where the drafting cutoff is. If you want to debate whether The Athletic should have ranked 15 QBs, that would be a valid point. But when 15 are ranked, it's valid to assess those, regardless of where you think the cutoff should be.
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It makes sense that someone who can’t grasp the subtleties of win probability also can’t grasp the concept of prospect rankings.
LOL. We've covered this ground. A 100 percent win probability has no subtleties. I'd say there aren't many subtleties from 90-99 percent, either.
BTW, Temp0, back in the day, there were prospect rankings that had Ryan Leaf pretty close to Peyton Manning as the top QB in the draft class. How'd that one turn out? But when you have GMs who draft QBs based on things like planting a flag at midfield, you don't get the best results.
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All rankings are subjective. That doesn't mean they always make sense.
You keep getting tripped up on the Undrafted thing. Is that a big hot take on the Score? But again, an undrafted QB can be signed as a free agent. When the rankings state quite clearly 15 per position, it's silly to obsess about where the drafting cutoff is. If you want to debate whether The Athletic should have ranked 15 QBs, that would be a valid point. But when 15 are ranked, it's valid to assess those, regardless of where you think the cutoff should be.
Again, I'd bet way more often than not the "11th best prospect (according to whom?)" Probably doesn't even make an active NFL roster most years. So why are you quibbling about him being "overranked?"
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LOL. We've covered this ground. A 100 percent win probability has no subtleties. I'd say there aren't many subtleties from 90-99 percent, either.
BTW, Temp0, back in the day, there were prospect rankings that had Ryan Leaf pretty close to Peyton Manning as the top QB in the draft class. How'd that one turn out? But when you have GMs who draft QBs based on things like planting a flag at midfield, you don't get the best results.
Another person who doesn't understand variance.
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Again, I'd bet way more often than not the "11th best prospect (according to whom?)" Probably doesn't even make an active NFL roster most years. So why are you quibbling about him being "overranked?"
Because he's in the rankings at 11. We've covered this, cockpuppet.
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Another person who doesn't understand variance.
Not sure you understand the terms you are using, cockpuppet.
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Because he's in the rankings at 11. We've covered this, cockpuppet.
Who's your #11?
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Because he's in the rankings at 11. We've covered this, cockpuppet.
Yeah, who’s your #11?
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Not Stetson Bennett, who's a good three years older than everyone else but makes up for it with less height and less arm strength.
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Not Stetson Bennett, who's a good three years older than everyone else but makes up for it with less height and less arm strength.
I liken Bennett to Brock Purdy.
Purdy bird! Purdy bird!
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“Kiper said not only is Fields better than any of the quarterbacks in this draft, he's better than Caleb Williams of USC in the 2024 draft.”
https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/mel-kiper-jr-sees-possible-bears-double-down
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Sydney Brown said to be having a great week at the Senior Bowl. Would love it if the Bears could get him day 3.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/sydney-brown-senior-bowl/amp/
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https://www.windycitygridiron.com/platform/amp/2023/2/2/23582369/chicago-bears-2023-nfl-draft-bear-bones-mock-draft-extravaganza-trade
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https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/02/senior-bowl-jayden-reed-fan-of-bears-justin-fields/
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Schefter is as dialed in as anyone. Hope he’s right.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/adam-schefter-says-bears-will-get-unbelievable-offers-no-1?fbclid=IwAR3xWa2FksfWzw4OclaRNa4tdfztbxoqlcuBIcLJrZqhKIWEdv1UW9UdZHM&mibextid=Zxz2cZ#ldwicd95nrampjn708p
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He once wrote that the league would be better off without the draft, and that getting rid of it would allow teams to sign players in their own regions and play to their fan bases.
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https://brobible.com/sports/article/adam-schefter-drake-jackson-draft-report/
LOL.
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Lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEZm6rBh470
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I’d say Indy hiring Philly’s OC bodes well for the Bears. Could look to move up to draft a mobile QB like Young.
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https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/shane-steichen-hire-makes-colts-even-more-obvious-bears-trade-target?fbclid=IwAR06TNIAwNXacMoHNOHd7ijUHt5OXg27bnfbq3O2pXwjciSUkR3QB6uYQAM&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
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This would be fantastic news for the Bears if this happened. Only takes one team to fall in love.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/02/anthony-richardson-florida-mock-draft-betting-odds-soar?csp=trueanthem&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR12HQfO85IHVj3F35fplxJkdpB-EgXVgCZfqrQhC09v30e7bXEP8c9an5U&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
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This would be fantastic news for the Bears if this happened. Only takes one team to fall in love.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/02/anthony-richardson-florida-mock-draft-betting-odds-soar?csp=trueanthem&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR12HQfO85IHVj3F35fplxJkdpB-EgXVgCZfqrQhC09v30e7bXEP8c9an5U&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
Be wary, Tempo!
https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/why-arent-nfl-draft-analysts-like-todd-mcshay-held-to-a-higher-standard-of-accountability.html
The NFL Scouting Combine is next week, and the NFL Draft is two months away, so brace yourself for a lot of information and misinformation.
It can be difficult to discern what is truth and what is deception. Teams, agents, and players like to get their messages out, and the media can be a useful tool for their benefit. This cloak-and-dagger approach has existed for decades as everyone jockeys to get the upper hand. It has only intensified in the social media age where it is easier than ever to leak details that may or may not be factual.
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What intrigues me is that the oddsmakers are reacting to it. Do I think Richardson goes #1? Likely not. But only takes one team to fall in love. Hopefully a couple of the QBs have a great combine/workouts.
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What intrigues me is that the oddsmakers are reacting to it. Do I think Richardson goes #1? Likely not. But only takes one team to fall in love. Hopefully a couple of the QBs have a great combine/workouts.
I am already tired of waiting around. Let's get March Madness done so we can get to baseball and the NFL Draft.
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Have a hard time envisioning the Bears trading down this far minus a massive haul. I’d probably prefer to trade to #4 with Indy, but I’m not opposed to trading down to 9 if they trade to 2nd or 4th first and get a big enough haul.
https://www.sportsmockery.com/uncategorized/carolina-panthers-becoming-a-favorite-to-pursue-bears-1-pick/?fbclid=IwAR0-6YAiQ_KOAolV-zE6Ln9mKv3_TrcZWNyvV_MenF-iPRheORxN85meqss&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
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Wouldn’t hate this scenario in the least bit.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-mock-draft-2023-bears-trades-colts-texans-bryce-young-cj-stroud?csp=trueanthem&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0xa6R-EywauzulitaHgzwspU8ZVpsw5gWCjaeOxIKOAhxlN00-L5odfc4&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
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Wouldn’t hate this scenario in the least bit.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-mock-draft-2023-bears-trades-colts-texans-bryce-young-cj-stroud?csp=trueanthem&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0xa6R-EywauzulitaHgzwspU8ZVpsw5gWCjaeOxIKOAhxlN00-L5odfc4&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
That would be dumb for the Texans.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/2/28/23618637/bears-ryan-poles-justin-fields-teams-not-approach-trade-draft-combine-quarterback-general-manager
Poles said Tuesday that there’s one player that hasn’t been asked about in trades: quarterback Justin Fields.
He must be lying!
Poles said last month that he’d have to be “blown away” to draft a quarterback to replace Fields. He held that line Tuesday, saying that Fields starting for the Bears is “the plan right now.”
Only "right now"?
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/2/28/23618637/bears-ryan-poles-justin-fields-teams-not-approach-trade-draft-combine-quarterback-general-manager
Poles said Tuesday that there’s one player that hasn’t been asked about in trades: quarterback Justin Fields.
He must be lying!
Only "right now"?
He’d be dumb to say he’s not open to other options. It lessens the value of the pick.
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He’d be dumb to say he’s not open to other options. It lessens the value of the pick.
If he is not lying about other teams' interest in Fields, then no one wants him despite his favorable contract and the pending needs at QB for many teams. That's not ideal.
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So far it sounds like Poles: 1. obviously fed Schefter the line that he is getting a lot of calls about the 1st pick (which only means he is NOT getting as many calls as he wants for the 1st pick) and 2. is actually getting inquiries about Fields (because he claimed today no one has asked about him). It is all about misinformation at this point, right?
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If he is not lying about other teams' interest in Fields, then no one wants him despite his favorable contract and the pending needs at QB for many teams. That's not ideal.
Who knows, they call it “”lying season,” for a reason. This concerns me not at all.
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So far it sounds like Poles: 1. obviously fed Schefter the line that he is getting a lot of calls about the 1st pick (which only means he is NOT getting as many calls as he wants for the 1st pick) and 2. is actually getting inquiries about Fields (because he claimed today no one has asked about him). It is all about misinformation at this point, right?
No one knows. That’s the way it should be 6 weeks before the draft.
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Have no idea what kind of interest is out there for Justin Fields. But if Poles called ATL, Vegas, Indy or Houston; I’d be pretty surprised if they weren’t at all interested. Having said that, I don’t think Poles plans to move on from Fields. But he can’t outright say it without lessening the value of his #1 pick.
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Having said that, I don’t think Poles plans to move on from Fields. But he can’t outright say it without lessening the value of his #1 pick.
Would think the same if he did want to move on from Fields.
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Probably my first post in any of the numerous, redundant Fields threads. I am pretty sure the Bears' GM is smart enough to avoid showing his hand.
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Probably my first post in any of the numerous, redundant Fields threads. I am pretty sure the Bears' GM is smart enough to avoid showing his hand.
Are you going to create your Bear draft day trade or not?
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Are you going to create your Bear draft day trade or not?
he's busy with his "interesting stuff from the combine" post I'm sure
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he's busy with his "interesting stuff from the combine" post I'm sure
Thanks to Patty Cake Man, I'll be up half the night trying to figure out who Chico is.
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he's busy with his "interesting stuff from the combine" post I'm sure
To be fair. I never found the combine interesting until the Bears had the #1 pick.
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Patty Cake Man
C'mon, you can do better than this. Send Golf a DM asking for help.
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I’m warming up to the idea of the Bears trading down a couple of times (maybe as far as 9) if the haul is good enough. So many needs.
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Hopefully this turns out to be true. Have been kind of forgetting that Seattle and ATL could be in the market, too. We need a couple of these guys to really shine in workouts.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/adam-schefter-bears-could-have-feeding-frenzy-no-1-pick
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Welp. We can write off Jalen Carter…
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/01/report-jalen-carter-was-present-at-teammates-fatal-crash-misled-police-about-it/
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Welp. We can write off Jalen Carter…
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/01/report-jalen-carter-was-present-at-teammates-fatal-crash-misled-police-about-it/
He wasn't all that impressive in the BCS playoffs either /shrug
for a guy they were touting as the next warren sapp he wasn't dominant at all, yeah I know only a game or two but still
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Welp. We can write off Jalen Carter…
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/01/report-jalen-carter-was-present-at-teammates-fatal-crash-misled-police-about-it/
It is the NFL. They do not care. If you are going to write him off, it is because he has to take plays off due to his conditioning.
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This also lessens the value of the #1 pick.
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This also lessens the value of the #1 pick.
Depends on what teams are looking for, doesn't it?
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Depends on what teams are looking for, doesn't it?
It’s difficult to envision the guy some people have as the #1 overall prospect falling (perhaps a lot) not damaging the value of the pick. Even more critical for a couple of QBs to be highly sought now.
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It’s difficult to envision the guy some people have as the #1 overall prospect falling (perhaps a lot) not damaging the value of the pick. Even more critical for a couple of QBs to be highly sought now.
You do not believe tha people have learned their lesson after Warren Sapp and Laremy Tunsil?
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You do not believe tha people have learned their lesson after Warren Sapp and Laremy Tunsil?
What “lesson” is that?
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What “lesson” is that?
Seriously? That purported "character" issues should not be the basis for knocking a draft pick down?
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Seriously? That purported "character" issues should not be the basis for knocking a draft pick down?
So Rae Carruth, Aaron Hernandez, Lawrence Phillips, Art Schlichter, Johnny Manziel, Tank Johnson and many others like them never existed?
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So Rae Carruth, Lawrence Phillips, Art Schlichter, Johnny Manziel, Tank Johnson and many others like them never existed?
"like them" is a stretch. A number of those you listed were post-draft issues.
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"like them" is a stretch. A number of those you listed were post-draft issues.
There were red flags on probably all but Schlichter. Just because some work out doesn’t mean it’s prudent to spend a top 5 pick on a guy who’s showed repeatedly poor decision making. I’d argue doing 89 in a 45 (in September), then being in a lethal car race while intoxicated, then misleading police (multiple times) are extremely serious offenses and are enormous red flags. That’s aside from the fact his work ethic was already in question.
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There were red flags on probably all but Schlichter. Just because some work out doesn’t mean it’s prudent to spend a top 5 pick on a guy who’s showed repeatedly poor decision making. I’d argue doing 89 in a 45 (in September), then being in a lethal car race while intoxicated, then misleading police (multiple times) are extremely serious offenses and are enormous red flags. That’s aside from the fact his work ethic was already in question.
We are all well aware how you feel about football players' driving skills and license status.
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We are all well aware how you feel about football players' driving skills and license status.
Pretty remarkable (yet unsurprising) you would boil it down to this.
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Pretty remarkable (yet unsurprising) you would boil it down to this.
Trying to keep it simple for those trying to follow along at home.
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Trying to keep it simple for those trying to follow along at home.
I don’t think two dead people, lying to the police (multiple times), and a pattern of reckless behavior is a “simple” matter.
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I don’t think two dead people, lying to the police (multiple times), and a pattern of reckless behavior is a “simple” matter.
No one ever said the underlying incident was "simple." Boiling things down to your interest in player driving and licensing is what was "simple."
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If I’m the GM of Pittsburgh or Kansas City where you have an established culture and he’s not expected to be a franchise changing player, I’d consider him. If I’m a young GM with a still inexperienced head coach, and literally no good players or established veterans on your front 7 there’s no way I’m building my franchise around this kid. I’ll trade down further and get more picks and take that risk.
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If I’m the GM of Pittsburgh or Kansas City where you have an established culture and he’s not expected to be a franchise changing player, I’d consider him. If I’m a young GM with a still inexperienced head coach, and literally no good players or established veterans on your front 7 there’s no way I’m building my franchise around this kid. I’ll trade down further and get more picks and take that risk.
You realize the pending charges are misdemeanors.
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You realize the pending charges are misdemeanors.
Yes. I also realize he’s displayed reckless behavior which helped contribute to the death of two people. Then lied to the police about it. It’s also possible the charges get worse. We’re just now hearing about this. The story is unlikely to get cleaner.
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Yes. I also realize he’s displayed reckless behavior which helped contribute to the death of two people. Then lied to the police about it. It’s also possible the charges get worse. We’re just now hearing about this. The story is unlikely to get cleaner.
Yet charged with misdemeanors. Hmm.
Maybe he will be the next Lance Briggs for the Bear. He had driving issues as well.
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The value of the pick is probably still going to be fleecing whichever team panics about not getting their guy at QB. If the Bears were able to trade down, pick up additional picks, and still get Carter it'd be a great deal.
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The value of the pick is probably still going to be fleecing whichever team panics about not getting their guy at QB. If the Bears were able to trade down, pick up additional picks, and still get Carter it'd be a great deal.
Tempo says he cannot be picked at this point. He may have his license revoked.
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I mean, I don't love it, but I'm pretty sure a third of the guys in the league have done similar so it's the sort of low specificity thing that the NFL guys read way too much into.
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If he’s a hall of famer, you overlook that.
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If he’s a hall of famer, you overlook that.
Well done.
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I mean, I don't love it, but I'm pretty sure a third of the guys in the league have done similar so it's the sort of low specificity thing that the NFL guys read way too much into.
You’re pretty sure a third of the league has been involved in a lethal/intoxicated car race and then lied to police multiple times (or something similar)? I’m sure there are some bad guys who have done dumb things in the league, but I’m pretty sure a third of them have not been in this much trouble. As I said, this could get worse. And it seems there were red flags around Carter before this happened. Just trade down get more picks and go with Tyree Wilson. I would not build my franchise around this kid. He may be a great player, but I’d take a pass and feel good about it.
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I’d much rather draft the guy who got caught with a bong mask on.
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And again, this is not a one time dumb kid moment. He was caught doing 50 over the speed limit back in September (or thereabouts). I’m guessing more will come about Carter. He may not fall off the map, but I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t fall several spots at least.
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Why do I get the feeling Dan Bernstein = Tempo is a match?
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Did he have a kid in the back seat when he was driving?
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You’re pretty sure a third of the league has been involved in a lethal/intoxicated car race and then lied to police multiple times (or something similar)? I’m sure there are some bad guys who have done dumb things in the league, but I’m pretty sure a third of them have not been in this much trouble. As I said, this could get worse. And it seems there were red flags around Carter before this happened. Just trade down get more picks and go with Tyree Wilson. I would not build my franchise around this kid. He may be a great player, but I’d take a pass and feel good about it.
Wonder if there is a database where we can see how many players have been charged with 2 misdemeanors. Good thing he was not speeding in Virginia. It is a felony there. Jason Werth got 5 days in jail. Commanders won't trade up to pick Carter now.
I thought they were building the franchise around JFC? Who builds their franchise around an interior D lineman?
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If he’s a hall of famer, you overlook that.
Classic
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You’re pretty sure a third of the league has been involved in a lethal/intoxicated car race and then lied to police multiple times (or something similar)?
No, I would bet 1/3 of the league has driven recklessly or under the influence. If you're concerned about the behavior as a predictor the result and the police showing up is immaterial.
Let me put it this way. Could you have predicted Henry Ruggs's issues? And, related question, would you take Josh Jacobs on the Bears?
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Wonder if there is a database where we can see how many players have been charged with 2 misdemeanors. Good thing he was not speeding in Virginia. It is a felony there. Jason Werth got 5 days in jail. Commanders won't trade up to pick Carter now.
I thought they were building the franchise around JFC? Who builds their franchise around an interior D lineman?
I’d think a defensive coach would want a defensive player to build around, too, wouldn’t you? This the precious 3 tech we’re talking about here. Weren’t Aaron Donald and Warren Sapp “building blocks” in this same defense? You are incredibly dense.
The fact that Larry Ogunjobi was the one FA they tried to spend big money on last year should tell you the importance they place on this position.
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No, I would bet 1/3 of the league has driven recklessly or under the influence. If you're concerned about the behavior as a predictor the result and the police showing up is immaterial.
Let me put it this way. Could you have predicted Henry Ruggs's issues? And, related question, would you take Josh Jacobs on the Bears?
The lying to police (multiple times) and general lack of accountability concern me as much as anything. Apparently this isn’t the first issue he’s had. He may be a great player in the NFL, I just know I wouldn’t take him as the building block to my defense on a team that’s trying to build a “culture.” If I’m Pittsburgh or KC, maybe I take the kid.
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I’d have no problem moving on to Anderson or Tyree Wilson.
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Classic
I’m missing the reference, I think.
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No, I would bet 1/3 of the league has driven recklessly or under the influence. If you're concerned about the behavior as a predictor the result and the police showing up is immaterial.
Let me put it this way. Could you have predicted Henry Ruggs's issues? And, related question, would you take Josh Jacobs on the Bears?
And no, I’m not a Josh Jacobs fan. We already have Josh Jacobs lite. I like RBs that can carry it 20x AND run away from people. Like Saquon or Jonathon Taylor.
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Wonder if there is a database where we can see how many players have been charged with 2 misdemeanors. Good thing he was not speeding in Virginia. It is a felony there. Jason Werth got 5 days in jail. Commanders won't trade up to pick Carter now.
I thought they were building the franchise around JFC? Who builds their franchise around an interior D lineman?
The fact that it’s a felony in another state should tell you something. The fact that this was at least the 2nd time he got in trouble for massively exceeding the speed limit should tell you something. I’m not saying he’s a lost cause, or irredeemable, just that an immature kid with legal issues (which could still get worse) isn’t who I’d build my defense around if I’m rebuilding from scratch. Not worth the risk. GMs get one shot. I’d gladly take Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson and move on.
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This is McShay talking about Carter’s “character issues” back in December. So the accident probably isn’t just a one-time “oopsie.”
https://twitter.com/jontweetssports/status/1603164357323591684?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Oh, and let’s not forget that he actually drove off after the accident. This is worse than “he effed up and got caught.”
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And another thing, I’m guessing the fact this story broke 30 minutes before he was supposed to speak at the combine isn’t coincidental. The Athens Police Department did that on purpose.
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And no, I’m not a Josh Jacobs fan. We already have Josh Jacobs lite. I like RBs that can carry it 20x AND run away from people. Like Saquon or Jonathon Taylor.
We know: JFC.
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The fact that it’s a felony in another state should tell you something. The fact that this was at least the 2nd time he got in trouble for massively exceeding the speed limit should tell you something. I’m not saying he’s a lost cause, or irredeemable, just that an immature kid with legal issues (which could still get worse) isn’t who I’d build my defense around if I’m rebuilding from scratch. Not worth the risk. GMs get one shot. I’d gladly take Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson and move on.
It tells me Virginia is messed up.
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I’d think a defensive coach would want a defensive player to build around, too, wouldn’t you? This the precious 3 tech we’re talking about here. Weren’t Aaron Donald and Warren Sapp “building blocks” in this same defense? You are incredibly dense.
The fact that Larry Ogunjobi was the one FA they tried to spend big money on last year should tell you the importance they place on this position.
So you meant "defense" instead of "franchise".
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This is McShay talking about Carter’s “character issues” back in December. So the accident probably isn’t just a one-time “oopsie.”
https://twitter.com/jontweetssports/status/1603164357323591684?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
And he still said he was going second in the draft. Hmmm.
Well, character issues will be good cover for his conditioning issues that were apparent in the playoffs.
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Why do I envision " And after trading down, the Bears pick Georgia DL Jalen Carter with their 1st pick in the 2023 NFL draft."
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Why do I envision " And after trading down, the Bears pick Georgia DL Jalen Carter with their 1st pick in the 2023 NFL draft."
Stephen A Tempo doesn't like Jalen Carter anymore.
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So you meant "defense" instead of "franchise".
You can build around more than one player...Particularly when you have a defensive head coach whose entirely philosophy is built around an acronym and the cover 2 defense. Seeing as how they literally have no good players on their front 7, he’s clearly the guy they’d be building around on defense.
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Stephen A Tempo doesn't like Jalen Carter anymore.
New information and potentially serious legal problems shouldn't change anything?
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Imagine Ryan Poles and Matt Eberflus, they of the HITS Principle Cover 2 defense drafting a 21 year old 3 technique in the top 4 of the draft to their defense which literally has zero good players on their front 7, and not thinking of him as a key building block of the franchise. I'm sure Aaron Donald and Warren Sapp weren't considered franchise "building blocks." Who was the building block for the Hawks? Kane, or Toews?Can't be both.
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Apparently Carter is back at the combine and may speak,.which sounds insane to me.
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Imagine Ryan Poles and Matt Eberflus, they of the HITS Principle Cover 2 defense drafting a 21 year old 3 technique in the top 4 of the draft to their defense which literally has zero good players on their front 7, and not thinking of him as a key building block of the franchise. I'm sure Aaron Donald and Warren Sapp weren't considered franchise "building blocks." Who was the building block for the Hawks? Kane, or Toews?Can't be both.
I am thinking Donald and Sapp were considered defensive building blocks as opposed to "franchise" building blocks. Not sure they built advertising campaigns around them as opposed to a QB. Maybe they did? One of the Watts jackasses? Sure. They liked to publicize themselves.
Have to say Kane was the "franchise" player. Toews was the building block though.
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Why do I envision " And after trading down, the Bears pick Georgia DL Jalen Carter with their 1st pick in the 2023 NFL draft."
Tempo would boycott the Bear if they picked that felonious SOB!
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It's textbook PAMan meatball brain that thinks you can only call one player a "franchise building block." And it can essentially only be a quarterback.
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I guess Khalil Mack was just "a guy they traded for" in 2018.
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I guess Khalil Mack was just "a guy they traded for" in 2018.
Ended up turning out that way since....they did not have a QB.
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Ended up turning out that way since....they did not have a QB.
So you’re saying the Bears “have a QB?”
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Ended up turning out that way since....they did not have a QB.
Not like Mack wasn’t a transformational player (in 2018 anyway). Afterwards, not so much.
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So you’re saying the Bears “have a QB?”
No... But people appear to think they do.
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Weak free agent year, not a great year for draft. But supposed to be the best edge rusher draft since 2011. I’d be ok with going back to back D line with the first two picks. Maybe taking 4 DL altogether. Dave Wannstedt says buy OLine draft DLine and I like that philosophy. OLine harder to scout, so get the guys that are proven at NFL level.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5loIH-HT30
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Do any of these videos discuss what JFC is doing this offseason to read defenses and get rid of the ball quicker? Those are the stories I was hoping to see this offseason.
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Do any of these videos discuss what JFC is doing this offseason to read defenses and get rid of the ball quicker? Those are the stories I was hoping to see this offseason.
Sweet.
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I’m sure he’s not working on anything and just resting on his accolades.
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This should tickle the fancy of a few of you.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0tmjZWosH6FMD9keLBED6d5RCRthBB4VtbeejEZB2Pu4bLLzHa8dNct54yugdb9qol&id=100057110151028&mibextid=ncKXMA
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02G7CE5EmaSnmRs5wdnDewF1bEderHdhkckp4C27uiEVDm2vs2tcTFBhs28CpYxRfgl&id=100063454398293&mibextid=ncKXMA
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Based on Carter’s legal/character issues and the strong performances from quarterbacks at the combine, I’m seeing this as a stronger likelihood, and probably wouldn’t be opposed to it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/q79wZhMS/6002-BE82-86-DD-42-E1-B88-C-494-E49239105.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3fYVbdf)
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This should tickle the fancy of a few of you.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0tmjZWosH6FMD9keLBED6d5RCRthBB4VtbeejEZB2Pu4bLLzHa8dNct54yugdb9qol&id=100057110151028&mibextid=ncKXMA
Bernie was great when he was in the Trib back in the day.
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Hopefully not a bluff.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1Xq1YrJ5/8-CC6-D47-F-073-F-43-E5-9999-CEC89-B2-CA953.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7JwR57Fp)
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Less dumb draft speculation and more stories about JFC looking at film so he can learn to read a defense quickly, please.
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Less dumb draft speculation and more stories about JFC looking at film so he can learn to read a defense quickly, please.
Like I said, I’m sure he’s not working on anything important. I bet he’s eating Doritos by the bag, and playing video games all night with Matthew Mayer and Kyler Murray.
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https://youtu.be/3FnAR63dZkE
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Like I said, I’m sure he’s not working on anything important. I bet he’s eating Doritos by the bag, and playing video games all night with Matthew Mayer and Kyler Murray.
Have you posted these stories?
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https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2023/03/06/oh-my-the-bears-are-already-long-down-the-road-of-trading-the-first-overall-pick/
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Not at all opposed to getting the pick traded sooner rather than later. Would help narrow the focus in free agency.
Orlando Brown likely to be available. This signing makes sense to me because then you could theoretically upgrade two positions on the O line with one signing. Braxton Jones could slide to RT where he’d likely be an upgrade over last year.
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Bernie was great when he was in the Trib back in the day.
Temp0 hate-pounded some Chiclets when he saw the part about Fields being worse than when he was drafted.
Bernie could bring it back in the day, but he either lost something off his heater, or was told to tone it down, or both. However, when he was out in Denver, he did write a funny column about how the Rockies had no plan. One line was something like, "(GM's name here) will always be active in the trade market as long as he knows the departure time of the Green Bus and the arrival time of the Blue Bus at the stadium."
The Bears are now the Rockies of the NFL. At one time, you could still say they were better than the Bengals, Dolphins, and Lions, but those days are quickly fading.
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Temp0 hate-pounded some Chiclets when he saw the part about Fields being worse than when he was drafted.
The Bears are now the Rockies of the NFL. At one time, you could still say they were better than the Bengals, Dolphins, and Lions, but those days are quickly fading.
Lol
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I’m hoping for Tyree Wilson to be a Bear (definitely not dreaming, though). I’m also more and more open to the Bears trading down multiple times. They have SO MANY needs. Njigba is intriguing, but I’m not sure I want a WR 1st round (unless they crush it in FA).
I’m starting to fall in love with the idea of Calijah Kancey. Seen him projected as high as about #9 to not even 1st round. Would amazing to get a guy like him in the 2nd, but I suspect he’ll go mid 1st. A lot of Aaron Donald comparisons (for obvious reasons). Cat quick, similar size, same school. Can’t expect him to live up to that billing, but if he’s a poor man’s Aaron Donald he’ll be a hell of a player.
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I’m hoping for Tyree Wilson to be a Bear (definitely not dreaming, though). I’m also more and more open to the Bears trading down multiple times. They have SO MANY needs. Njigba is intriguing, but I’m not sure I want a WR 1st round (unless they crush it in FA).
I’m starting to fall in love with the idea of Calijah Kancey. Seen him projected as high as about #9 to not even 1st round. Would amazing to get a guy like him in the 2nd, but I suspect he’ll go mid 1st. A lot of Aaron Donald comparisons (for obvious reasons). Cat quick, similar size, same school. Can’t expect him to live up to that billing, but if he’s a poor man’s Aaron Donald he’ll be a hell of a player.
Have you checked his driver's license status?
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Have you checked his driver's license status?
You are very clever! Hilarious!
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I think you could sign me up for this.
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I think you could sign me up for this.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTP1PDbD/A43403-EE-2-CA3-46-C6-AC25-7-B335-A3-C5893.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8JpPgRjr)
Take out the 61st pick and make that DJ Moore and I’m down.
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Take out the 61st pick and make that DJ Moore and I’m down.
Has he ever had a speeding ticket?
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Tempo where are you?????!!!!!!
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Trade reportedly made!
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Trade reportedly made!
Behind the curve.
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Shopping at the Jewels and got a text from my bestie. If it’s what it looks like, I LOVE the shit out of it.
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Shopping at the Jewels and got a text from my bestie. If it’s what it looks like, I LOVE the shit out of it.
How can you be shopping at this time in Bear history?
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How can you be shopping at this time in Bear history?
Breyers is $3 and red grapes are .99 a pound.
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Breyers is $3 and red grapes are .99 a pound.
Powell's high interest rates must be working. Have you priced eggs?
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Here’s the details…
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35830753/bears-trading-no-1-overall-pick-panthers-wr-dj-moore-multiple-picks
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Now they can take Jalen Carter at 9.
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Now they can take Jalen Carter at 9.
Kinda my thoughts.
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Now they can take Jalen Carter at 9.
I’m open to this seeing as how it’s outside the top 5 (and I’d prefer they brought in a strong veteran DL to mentor him). Don’t think Carter will be on the board that long.
Here’s what I’m hoping for (but definitely not dreaming of) Bears trade down again and draft Bijan Robinson and find a way to draft Calijah Kancey.
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If I’m Ryan Poles I am signing Orlando Brown. You can then shift Braxton Jones to the right side. Theoretically you’ve upgraded yourself at two positions with one signing. I’m signing a veteran Center and DLineman. Then I’m trading down again and finding a way to get Bijan Robinson and Calijah Kancey in the draft.
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If I'm Ryan Poles I'm asking Justin Fields how much game film he is watching each day. Hopefully more than 3 to 5 hours a day.
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Execution: D
Originality: D-
Cleverness: F-
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If I'm Ryan Poles I'm asking Justin Fields how much game film he is watching each day. Hopefully more than 3 to 5 hours a day.
Don’t forget to ask if he can squat 600 pounds.
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Good thing I decided to wear my Bears shirt today 8)
Fun fact: Velus Jones and DJ Moore are the same age.
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Lol
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https://youtu.be/qdBrmqOSOyI
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(https://i.postimg.cc/909RrdJ7/6-B944510-27-B5-4-BF9-AB79-E131-FD185-BA1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gLYk7Z9z)closest shell near me (https://gasstation-nearme.com/shell)
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No more excuses, Temp0! Fields needs to produce and produce hard. He needs to guard hard. He needs to work with a team loaded with bigs and wings. He needs to execute the primary/default offense flawlessly.
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No more excuses, Temp0! Fields needs to produce and produce hard. He needs to guard hard. He needs to work with a team loaded with bigs and wings. He needs to execute the primary/default offense flawlessly.
Flawlessly? That’s a pretty high standard.
Looks like he’s finally gonna have some help this year, anyway. Obviously still need upgrades on the O-line. I’m all for going all in on offense and giving him as much as possible to work with. If Fields isn’t good next year you can move on. And you’ll have some capital to do it. I’m guessing he’ll be good.
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I’d really like an explosive back that can catch. Maybe Jahmyr Gibbs can fall to them at 54 or 61. I curse the Claypool pick.
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Question for Mn:
Would you still rather have that win over the Lions and be drafting 5th (with no extra picks and DJ Moore)? I’ll hang up and listen for your answer.
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Jalen Carter said to put have 9 pounds just since the combine.
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https://heavy.com/sports/las-vegas-raiders/dave-ziegler-draft-trade-bears/
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Should Bears inquire…???
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35880997/source-jonah-williams-seeks-bengals-exit-brown-deal
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Should Bears inquire…???
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35880997/source-jonah-williams-seeks-bengals-exit-brown-deal
I would certainly kick the tires on him. Jadaveon Clonwney released. Gonna be on his 5th team in 5 years but I’d kick the tires on him, too.
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I would certainly kick the tires on him. Jadaveon Clonwney released. Gonna be on his 5th team in 5 years but I’d kick the tires on him, too.
Yeah he’s only 25 and has a lot of experience. Depends on if they think he’d be better than a rookie. Plus he’ll want paid next year and I don’t think Poles will want that.
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If he has a great year it’s a win regardless on whether or not you re-sign him. Poles will re-sign him if he thinks he’s worth it. The money will be there.
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If he has a great year it’s a win regardless on whether or not you re-sign him. Poles will re-sign him if he thinks he’s worth it. The money will be there.
Yeah he is relatively cheap. And you don’t have to pay him if he underperforms.